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00:00:46,987\n跟一個時間是台鐵你也有發言說欸這是台鐵怎麼怕我以前的高鐵沒工你有這個感受嗎當然是有啦那我們盡量的來把台鐵的部分盡量來改善我最近到左營新左營的台鐵站\n\n3\n00:00:48,646 --> 00:01:07,683\n我發現有改善電費變更高不然問題都亂七八糟我跟你們講可是現在台北站喔台北站走過高鐵再往台鐵你就知道你到台鐵了台鐵站現在還有一些問題我們每次在月台的單車那個整個標示牌那個大國藥的董事長你應該有發現這是高鐵不可能出現\n\n4\n00:01:14,862 --> 00:01:27,554\n我們在打國藥啦褲褲都在打頂管都在打拔條都在打啦走一個禁煙標誌就對了四五行啦啊每天要宣導就打要打就打打一大堆\n\n5\n00:01:29,374 --> 00:01:53,115\n大家想像台鐵搞不清楚現在這台車一邊兩個門的還是一邊三個門的會不會停這裡會不會停那裡對一些人來說是很大的考驗所以這一個車站的標示系統我希望台鐵李立如高鐵董事長我知道你這一段期間去應該這邊也看不慣那邊也看不慣\n\n6\n00:01:54,136 --> 00:02:21,903\n我講的是設施啦看不慣啦當然台鐵有經費把它編然後把它改善成像高鐵的樣子啦這個是謝謝委員指導我們會朝這方向來努力對啦我知道你們錢也悠閒啦我們趕快加薪水這些硬體的設施要趕上高鐵還是有一段距離啦大家一起加油好接下來對我再請問一下兩位你們兩本報告互相有沒有看過\n\n7\n00:02:24,235 --> 00:02:35,223\n兩本我事前沒有你要互相漏氣求進步互相看互相學習互相看互相學習好接下來請高鐵董事長\n\n8\n00:02:37,059 --> 00:02:55,177\n董事長你上任啦大家對你有很多的這個指教啦或是批評啦都有啦那你今天來的報告我看到一個重點你花了蠻多的篇幅啊在談安全談技術談這一個環境這就對了\n\n9\n00:02:58,666 --> 00:03:15,161\n因為原本的媒體的報導啊說要叫你來做行銷啦高鐵現在不用什麼行銷啦每天的K-1是要行銷什麼你沒有行銷就都K-1了啦啊你跟行銷也K-1所以這行銷這個階段看起來不是重點重點就是\n\n10\n00:03:15,646 --> 00:03:42,656\n我這報告看得出來你把很專業的安全技術這些課題啊通通尊重專業由這個專業者來處理但是你上任以後啊跟你溝通幾件事情我們隔壁的車開出去了位子沒人坐就是沒人坐沒人坐那位子就是了不起那所以呢我們現在的這個搞運輸系統啊最好的\n\n11\n00:03:43,436 --> 00:03:57,820\n班班客滿,都沒人騎,也沒人騎一輪月台,工需都要最好所以有一些專車啊,有人包整個車廂的嘛,有團體旅遊的都有嘛這包的時候,你們應該建議他做兩門車次啊\n\n12\n00:04:02,605 --> 00:04:22,718\n不要他也要給人家開熱門的啦那你冷門車是這個時候行銷就出現他如果做冷門車是你的票價就給他降下去因為你車開出去沒人坐就沒人坐那位就尿了嘛那你如果說你本來要買7點的我跟你說你不要買7點的你改買銀行8點的還是6點的提早5點的做那個班次啊我讓你票價降低所以高鐵應該在研究要有彈性的票價你們現在的票價\n\n13\n00:04:32,765 --> 00:04:44,075\n太僵化太僵化你就動不了第二個我們每到假日啊北上假日北上經常都客門趕快找位委員講你們應該多開全車自由座全車自由座除了第六車廂以外台車載出去就八個到八個了\n\n14\n00:04:52,625 --> 00:05:00,091\n那個一次譬如說台中站一次就紓解光了我知道高鐵的營運的部門運務部門都有留備用的車輛那時候台電有那個備援電力一樣都不敢開啦真的動不動的時候台中車就要滾出來\n\n15\n00:05:11,004 --> 00:05:18,269\n一天去台中站一天去街館要不在台中站有時候要擺下去那整個駕駛站路人員都要拉紅絨都要衝那個動線這個才是要做的啦要不然會僵化因為高鐵現在經過十八年要二十年了十八年來喔做到最後可是會僵化\n\n16\n00:05:29,076 --> 00:05:49,288\n你若問這運務部門說沒辦法這個董事長這個沒辦法那也沒辦法車放在那也沒辦法這個就是要有彈性去把它調才能夠解決我們假日的這個問題所以我現在要求可不可以提供給我今年一到五月你們高鐵所有列車所有列車每天出勤的列車班數讓我們知道你到底唱多少車好最後\n\n17\n00:05:58,615 --> 00:06:10,169\n主席給我一文件最後請你要務必要求我們的台鐵的駕駛高鐵的駕駛跟高鐵的站入員高鐵的列車長一定要落實紙擦確認現在紙擦確認為現在越走越輕鬆再來啊\n\n18\n00:06:17,148 --> 00:06:33,100\n都沒有說指叉確認要做我們的駕駛的指叉確認也要做這才能夠這個落實有一陣子在鄭董事長領導之下這種經歷這事情都做得很好我們的指叉確認動作都做很大有時候那些列車搞的時候都會斷臂也會發出聲現在都有一點鬆懈最後一個\n\n19\n00:06:38,044 --> 00:07:01,784\n我們高鐵會有國際的客人你如果知道這班車有一本人包幾個團的比如包一個車廂都是一本團的像日本人都學習啊他畢業旅行啊來到台灣做你知道這台車有一本人我建議你們就應該派高鐵的車上的服務人員啊就要會講日文日本的國旗就拍上去\n\n20\n00:07:04,161 --> 00:07:13,126\n對日本人來說這個會講日文然後有掛日本國旗他會很開心啊然後知道這裡這個列車上面有整團日本人整團韓國人高鐵的廣播\n\n21\n00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:34,574\n快到站的廣播你就用日文廣播啊叫你的車長或者是服務人員會講日文的直接上車用日文跟他講說到台北站了到高雄站了喔那聽起來絕對很感動的對不對當然你如果去到韓國去到日本買到車的時候有人用台語教你說那廣播用台語的你說你會刷一下覺得很受尊重這個是新聞很假的這個可以試看看有沒有機會在這個地方做改進好以上謝謝\n\n22\n00:07:45,902 --> 00:07:48,533\n好副委員感謝你這段日子還有私底下的請教給我們加一些撇步謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1004\t25102\t好 謝謝主席 我們請台鐵董事長跟高鐵董事長好 來 鄭董事長 石董事長部長沒你的事 你坐就好好 我先請問一下這個鄭董事長上次我在執行的時候有提到說我們到了高鐵的站區再走到台鐵站區就知道我到台鐵了兩筆差很多嘛 你現在\n28228\t46987\t跟一個時間是台鐵 你也有發言說 欸 這是台鐵 怎麼怕我以前的高鐵沒工 你有這個感受嗎當然是有啦 那我們盡量的來把台鐵的部分 盡量來改善我最近到左營 新左營的台鐵站\n48646\t67683\t我發現有改善 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