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00:01:48,352\n好委員好那對於這個李志浩這一件我們受理完之後就立即就偵辦那很快的就是會把除了是第一天查獲一個嫌犯之外我們發現後面還有一些這個嫌犯所以我們在昨天已經把這個\n\n7\n00:01:50,695 --> 00:02:10,773\n第一時間參與的這些嫌犯是有查獲大案那當然我們初步了解是有幫派被檢這個部分我們一定是會嚴加來做一個偵辦這個絕對是不手軟這個是我們警方立場一定是嚴正執法而且會打擊這個黑道幫派去介入這些相關的一個犯法的一個行為\n\n8\n00:02:11,514 --> 00:02:35,441\n那另外對於這個我們了解的大概就是在訓練的部分大概有兩件那目前我們也是有立案檢察官只會在做偵辦當中那我們也會依法來做偵辦那至於這一些對於我們遭受到這一些相關的一個不管是恐嚇或傷害的這一些的團體我們加強做這些安全維護\n\n9\n00:02:36,801 --> 00:02:41,801\n以及這個聯繫這個通報的一個平台會做這樣的一個相關的一個措施\n\n10\n00:02:42,452 --> 00:03:08,951\n好謝謝署長說明我在這邊還是再次強調這個月必須要確保所有正當行使公民權的人民都不會遭受到恐嚇跟威脅的這一些恐懼這個要拜託署長因為包括今天這個罷免羅明財的罷團要進行補件了那他們現在所有人都非常擔心會不會在補件的過程當中遭受到人身安全的危險\n\n11\n00:03:10,172 --> 00:03:30,924\n那我認為這都是在一個民主法治國家絕對不應該發生的事情就算要罷免我的人我都是幫他們指路我甚至受理他們的陳情我從來沒有想過要用威脅恐嚇來面對這些跟我有不同意見的人這就是民主的實現啊可是結果罷免國民黨的人竟然要被黑道威脅這還有天理嗎\n\n12\n00:03:34,457 --> 00:03:58,392\n所以拜託大力掃黑是必要的大家在一個民主的國家本來就有權利行使他們的罷免權怎麼會因為他進行了罷免就要被黑道威脅甚至被辣椒水攻擊甚至連我們台北市議員林亮君許淑華全部都被人身安全恐嚇啊他們記得恐嚇性內容多恐怖你有看過嗎\n\n13\n00:04:00,454 --> 00:04:16,667\n這直接都是威脅到他們說要把他們怎樣怎樣這個我在這邊不好講出來我看了都覺得這個讓人提心吊膽所以拜託這件事情請務必要關注無論立場如何人身安全都是最重要的\n\n14\n00:04:17,327 --> 00:04:42,321\n尤其是接下來這個月必須要讓大家免於恐懼這個拜託署長好再來請教一下部長因為前幾天其實內政部發了一個我認為蠻重要的訊息就是這個針對500人以上的大型避難設施必須要納入建築物公共安全的檢查以及申報的系統如果發現設施的進出口如果有不通或是積水或照明不足等等問題可能要進行相關的輔導甚至是未來可能要開罰\n\n15\n00:04:46,323 --> 00:05:04,433\n那我認為這件事情很重要啦這個也是依據國安會的指示尤其是全台灣這樣子的設施都應該要進行盤點那我在這邊請教的是目前這個500人的設施全台灣大概有幾處報告委員大概是2萬2左右2萬2左右\n\n16\n00:05:08,756 --> 00:05:31,473\n2萬6左右跟委員報告一下我們在7月1號要公布的部分其實在建築法跟建築技術規則裡面就已經講得非常清楚那國土署所負責的部分大概就是在設施設備方面那現在我們會請各縣市地方政府的包括他們的督發公務或者是建管單位來協助一下那如果有需要協助的話我們會幫忙排除\n\n17\n00:05:33,815 --> 00:05:41,225\n那再來就是說裡面是否會有人比如說堆積雜物啦等等這些如果真的台灣有防空警報的時候呢也必須要請他們先做清空所以我們原則上大概先以輔導或者是服務的方式來處理而不是馬上先開罰\n\n18\n00:05:49,335 --> 00:05:54,639\n沒錯好謝謝部長這就是我希望在這邊多做宣導的因為除了其實500人以上的大型設施接下來其他的500人以下的其實也要陸續來納管甚至是來輔導才對沒錯我希望的是納管要有個具體的時間表那讓大家都知道說這個都是在災難的時候或者是不論未來有任何避難需求的時候這些地方都非常重要大家要非常有意識去做這件事情好這個要拜託部長我們再大力的下去輔導\n\n19\n00:06:19,298 --> 00:06:27,260\n那當然也不要讓有一些老舊社區覺得說我們二三十年的老社區了結果一來就開罰那當然讓他們有意識是最重要的這個要拜託部長謝謝委員指導我想我們在處理的過程當中一定會按照當時的狀況但是我們要在這個地方呼籲就是說我們不管是警政署的APP或是消防署的APP避難設施的這個範圍呢都是附近的100公尺內的而不是只有單一的\n\n20\n00:06:45,143 --> 00:07:11,287\n所以呢在選擇這個避難設施的時候呢還是以自己自身在怎麼樣比較短的時間內就可以選擇避難的空間其實非常重要那未來我們會利用這兩者國家團結樂的一個宣導工作會再大力宣導好謝謝部長的說明那最後跟署長請教一下因為時間也到了等一下進行審查的時候我自己也有提一些修正動議那我是希望加強打架這個大家都要但是如何用有效的方式\n\n21\n00:07:11,667 --> 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請署長\n好 委員好那對於這個李志浩這一件我們受理完之後就立即就偵辦那很快的就是會把除了是第一天查獲一個嫌犯之外我們發現後面還有一些這個嫌犯所以我們在昨天已經把這個\n第一時間參與的這些嫌犯是有查獲大案那當然我們初步了解是有幫派被檢這個部分我們一定是會嚴加來做一個偵辦這個絕對是不手軟這個是我們警方立場一定是嚴正執法而且會打擊這個黑道幫派去介入這些相關的一個犯法的一個行為\n那另外對於這個我們了解的大概就是在訓練的部分大概有兩件那目前我們也是有立案檢察官只會在做偵辦當中那我們也會依法來做偵辦那至於這一些對於我們遭受到這一些相關的一個不管是恐嚇或傷害的這一些的團體我們加強做這些安全維護\n以及這個聯繫這個通報的一個平台會做這樣的一個相關的一個措施\n好 謝謝署長說明我在這邊還是再次強調這個月必須要確保所有正當行使公民權的人民都不會遭受到恐嚇跟威脅的這一些恐懼這個要拜託署長因為包括今天這個罷免羅明財的罷團要進行補件了那他們現在所有人都非常擔心會不會在補件的過程當中遭受到人身安全的危險\n那我認為這都是在一個民主法治國家絕對不應該發生的事情就算要罷免我的人我都是幫他們指路我甚至受理他們的陳情我從來沒有想過要用威脅恐嚇來面對這些跟我有不同意見的人這就是民主的實現啊可是結果罷免國民黨的人竟然要被黑道威脅這還有天理嗎\n所以拜託大力掃黑是必要的大家在一個民主的國家本來就有權利行使他們的罷免權怎麼會因為他進行了罷免就要被黑道威脅甚至被辣椒水攻擊甚至連我們台北市議員林亮君許淑華全部都被人身安全恐嚇啊他們記得恐嚇性內容多恐怖你有看過嗎\n這直接都是威脅到他們說要把他們怎樣怎樣這個我在這邊不好講出來我看了都覺得這個讓人提心吊膽所以拜託這件事情請務必要關注無論立場如何人身安全都是最重要的\n尤其是接下來這個月必須要讓大家免於恐懼這個拜託署長好再來請教一下部長因為前幾天其實內政部發了一個我認為蠻重要的訊息就是這個針對500人以上的大型避難設施必須要納入建築物公共安全的檢查以及申報的系統如果發現設施的進出口如果有不通或是積水或照明不足等等問題可能要進行相關的輔導甚至是未來可能要開罰\n那我認為這件事情很重要啦這個也是依據國安會的指示尤其是全台灣這樣子的設施都應該要進行盤點那我在這邊請教的是目前這個500人的設施全台灣大概有幾處報告委員大概是2萬2左右2萬2左右\n2萬6左右跟委員報告一下我們在7月1號要公布的部分其實在建築法跟建築技術規則裡面就已經講得非常清楚那國土署所負責的部分大概就是在設施設備方面那現在我們會請各縣市地方政府的包括他們的督發公務或者是建管單位來協助一下那如果有需要協助的話我們會幫忙排除\n那再來就是說裡面是否會有人比如說堆積雜物啦等等這些如果真的台灣有防空警報的時候呢也必須要請他們先做清空所以我們原則上大概先以輔導或者是服務的方式來處理而不是馬上先開罰\n沒錯好謝謝部長這就是我希望在這邊多做宣導的因為除了其實500人以上的大型設施接下來其他的500人以下的其實也要陸續來納管甚至是來輔導才對沒錯我希望的是納管要有個具體的時間表那讓大家都知道說這個都是在災難的時候或者是不論未來有任何避難需求的時候這些地方都非常重要大家要非常有意識去做這件事情好這個要拜託部長我們再大力的下去輔導\n那當然也不要讓有一些老舊社區覺得說我們二三十年的老社區了結果一來就開罰那當然讓他們有意識是最重要的這個要拜託部長謝謝委員指導我想我們在處理的過程當中一定會按照當時的狀況但是我們要在這個地方呼籲就是說我們不管是警政署的APP或是消防署的APP避難設施的這個範圍呢都是附近的100公尺內的而不是只有單一的\n所以呢在選擇這個避難設施的時候呢還是以自己自身在怎麼樣比較短的時間內就可以選擇避難的空間其實非常重要那未來我們會利用這兩者國家團結樂的一個宣導工作會再大力宣導好謝謝部長的說明那最後跟署長請教一下因為時間也到了等一下進行審查的時候我自己也有提一些修正動議那我是希望加強打架這個大家都要但是如何用有效的方式\n才可以不會變成說最後大家把罪都推給這個車手反而沒有辦法把這個詐欺的產業鏈抓出來我擔心的是這樣所以有效的抓出整個產業鏈我認為是今天討論的重點這個我們等一下就進行審查的時候再來討論再拜託署長好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.189 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03:08.951\n好謝謝署長說明我在這邊還是再次強調這個月必須要確保所有正當行使公民權的人民都不會遭受到恐嚇跟威脅的這一些恐懼這個要拜託署長因為包括今天這個罷免羅明財的罷團要進行補件了那他們現在所有人都非常擔心會不會在補件的過程當中遭受到人身安全的危險\n\n03:10.172 --> 03:30.924\n那我認為這都是在一個民主法治國家絕對不應該發生的事情就算要罷免我的人我都是幫他們指路我甚至受理他們的陳情我從來沒有想過要用威脅恐嚇來面對這些跟我有不同意見的人這就是民主的實現啊可是結果罷免國民黨的人竟然要被黑道威脅這還有天理嗎\n\n03:34.457 --> 03:58.392\n所以拜託大力掃黑是必要的大家在一個民主的國家本來就有權利行使他們的罷免權怎麼會因為他進行了罷免就要被黑道威脅甚至被辣椒水攻擊甚至連我們台北市議員林亮君許淑華全部都被人身安全恐嚇啊他們記得恐嚇性內容多恐怖你有看過嗎\n\n04:00.454 --> 04:16.667\n這直接都是威脅到他們說要把他們怎樣怎樣這個我在這邊不好講出來我看了都覺得這個讓人提心吊膽所以拜託這件事情請務必要關注無論立場如何人身安全都是最重要的\n\n04:17.327 --> 04:42.321\n尤其是接下來這個月必須要讓大家免於恐懼這個拜託署長好再來請教一下部長因為前幾天其實內政部發了一個我認為蠻重要的訊息就是這個針對500人以上的大型避難設施必須要納入建築物公共安全的檢查以及申報的系統如果發現設施的進出口如果有不通或是積水或照明不足等等問題可能要進行相關的輔導甚至是未來可能要開罰\n\n04:46.323 --> 05:04.433\n那我認為這件事情很重要啦這個也是依據國安會的指示尤其是全台灣這樣子的設施都應該要進行盤點那我在這邊請教的是目前這個500人的設施全台灣大概有幾處報告委員大概是2萬2左右2萬2左右\n\n05:08.756 --> 05:31.473\n2萬6左右跟委員報告一下我們在7月1號要公布的部分其實在建築法跟建築技術規則裡面就已經講得非常清楚那國土署所負責的部分大概就是在設施設備方面那現在我們會請各縣市地方政府的包括他們的督發公務或者是建管單位來協助一下那如果有需要協助的話我們會幫忙排除\n\n05:33.815 --> 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