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00:00:55,433\n甚至婚姻包含離婚、撩毆、也造成他的侏儒就要去自殺所以說這詐騙,這是非常猖狂、非常惡劣這個部分,我們一定要趕緊來克制但是很多都是來自於網路還有LINE\n\n4\n00:01:04,163 --> 00:01:25,930\n的族群所以都是因為找他們去投資甚至都有很多他們詐騙的手法,這部分我們要怎麼要求我們的不管是法務部任何情治單位還有金融單位還有我們世衛部全部已經我們\n\n5\n00:01:27,608 --> 00:01:48,608\n那個山獨也通過了打詐的三法那打詐已經通過了為什麼那個這個成效還是要向民眾來公佈我們過去一天的詐騙金額包含現在一天最高還來到五億這是很恐怖啊是\n\n6\n00:01:50,366 --> 00:02:08,988\n報告委員我想大家都有同理心尤其我們在處理打炸的時候我就多次表達非常謝謝立法院在去年的時候通過讓我們有法律的工具來處理有關打炸的部分但是從去年到今年一般來講\n\n7\n00:02:10,630 --> 00:02:25,127\n現在高居首位的還是在假投資詐騙比較多其他有關於網路或者是交友等等的雖然是有報案數但是那個金額其實沒有像那麼多但是投資詐騙的金額仍然非常高\n\n8\n00:02:25,868 --> 00:02:31,674\n再加上現在科技非常的進步這個炸團的科技也非常的進步所以我們現在要隨著科技進步的部分在我們的警政單位裡面要加強有關於訓練也就是說我們科技偵查的能力要越來越加強再加上說現在我們立法院的預算\n\n9\n00:02:47,450 --> 00:03:03,963\n剛好在已經接近年中的時候通過的時候我們在設備面包括我們網路的流量記錄器才開始要啟動所謂的投資的部分會跟法務部一起來聯絡也就是說我們都是每一部呢都是需要有人力物力\n\n10\n00:03:04,663 --> 00:03:17,649\n還有財力一起與時漸進才有可能做到但是現在炸團他們也非常的精明我也多次提到說這個炸團不是我們所看到的就是好像是路邊攤或是菜市場都在騙人一樣他們在網路上面他們結合了網路高手\n\n11\n00:03:22,191 --> 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