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00:01:22,061\n那從102年開始其實不管馬總統時代或者是小英總統時代其實大家都努力了在全國各縣市的環保專會或者是各事業的自己的檢污檢排還有全民的努力之下PM2.5從102年的24\n\n5\n00:01:25,385 --> 00:01:53,410\n到了去年113年已經降到12.8這個減幅是相當的大減幅將近百分之五十了這個超過改善百分之八十八百分之八十八所以我想這個努力是大家全民的一個結果啦那因為現在大家比較關心除了2.5之外更細的PM1甚至今天的議題對超細閒文為例PM0.1才有今天的專報\n\n6\n00:01:54,850 --> 00:02:00,476\n科技越來越發達所以對於生活中的有害物質的發現就會越來越多\n\n7\n00:02:06,089 --> 00:02:33,190\n因為現在世衛組織跟歐盟對於PM0.1對人體造成的健康風險提出了高度的關注跟警告大概認為PM0.1對於心血管、肺部、腦部都可能帶來疾病世衛組織也將PM0.1定為一級的致癌物\n\n8\n00:02:34,691 --> 00:02:48,378\n危害更甚於PM2.5那我想要請問一下市長你們對於PM0.1的減排方向的政策方向你大概講一下\n\n9\n00:02:49,618 --> 00:03:15,544\n我簡單說明一下就是PM0.1因為它細太小了對所以我們人體的防禦沒有辦法去抵禦的情況之下我們戴口罩也沒辦法保護自己戴口罩也沒有辦法氣管都沒辦法把它排除掉進到肺部甚至進到血液裡面戴口罩也沒有辦法沒辦法太細了像這個就必須要讓國人很清楚所以我們要去關心這個東西所以現在就是說\n\n10\n00:03:17,222 --> 00:03:35,503\n世界衛生組織開始提醒了然後歐盟也注意到了要開始做監測以前都沒有去測這個東西現在開始要測所以測了之後你才能夠知道它主要會從哪些來源來因為現在有人開始測這個之後發現說它跟這個交通的那個密集\n\n11\n00:03:37,095 --> 00:04:04,617\n經過的車輛是有關的所以我們大概可以比較確定就是說它跟交通來源是有相關性所以我們要去管制移動污染源的原因也在這個地方那另外有一些工廠的排放等等也是可能會造成的原因那我們現在就是要因為數量還不是足夠讓我們可以確認所以我們先把它做監測之後因為歐盟也是去年才開始要會員國兩年之內要設監測站也就是明年底\n\n12\n00:04:05,518 --> 00:04:22,087\n要完成監測那我們現在開始有實驗性的監測在進行了那監測出來這些數據都會提供給我們做參考將來我們會參考歐盟參考這個先進國家他們的管制策略然後看看我們的本土的情況是怎麼樣然後我們來採取對策\n\n13\n00:04:24,444 --> 00:04:52,534\n那我們因為它是新的東西所以我們的空氣品質監測站會不會逐步更新配合BM0.1因為我們現在的空品監測站有78個環保署的時代到現在環境部中央設的有78個監測站其中有6個是跟交通有關地方也有34個測站地方也有在測\n\n14\n00:04:54,154 --> 00:04:55,275\n所以現在開始有試驗性的測站出來了\n\n15\n00:05:17,288 --> 00:05:41,600\n我們在這個台北有一個站就是台大防空所有台大防空所的教授協助我們做這樣的一個試驗計畫從102年開始到現在持續在進行當中一直在蒐集這個資料那慢慢的我們也在高雄有設了我們在台中也設了北中南各有像可以對比去了解成因是什麼找出成因之後然後才能夠提出解決的對策\n\n16\n00:05:42,920 --> 00:06:05,666\n過往因為它太新的東西啦是是是因為以前都忽略了沒有注意到那現在開始提醒我們要注意這個那這邊也提醒一下次長就是監測站逐步更新甚至於假如說它目前的資料照次長講的就是可能是來自移動污染源\n\n17\n00:06:07,349 --> 00:06:12,725\n產生PM0.1的情況比較多那有沒有要增加\n\n18\n00:06:14,811 --> 00:06:38,806\n監測站然後人力的培訓你們這邊目前可能也...是謝委員你講到的是重點不是說想要設就設要擺的地點要適當然後也要有足夠的人力去維護等等這個都要支援那在預算不足的情況之下可能預算都撥到地方去地方也要加強設所以這個都必須要大家一起來努力\n\n19\n00:06:39,947 --> 00:07:03,383\n所以我想這個我們會目前既有的車站怎麼樣去做轉型或調整來因應這個新興的這樣的PM0.1對那就是像次郎講的除了部裡面自己的檢測站以外有很多是地方的那其實很多工作本來就是中央跟地方必須要協力來完成的\n\n20\n00:07:06,105 --> 00:07:17,454\n因為PM0.1根據研究顯示確實對人類對人體有很多的危害包括世衛組織\n\n21\n00:07:19,793 --> 00:07:33,308\n都沒有辦法精確的掌握到說PM0.1的濃度到底到達多少的時候會造成多大程度的健康風險危害所以\n\n22\n00:07:35,266 --> 00:07:57,184\n環境部這邊會不會跟衛福部或相關單位來分析研究當然隨時加入國際的數據來分析PM0.1所帶來的健康風險評估或者是最慢疫什麼時候會啟動相類似的計畫\n\n23\n00:08:01,431 --> 00:08:17,968\n我們跟衛福部會有一個所謂的雙次長會議有兩個次長然後跟學者專家一起啟動這樣的機制我們是希望能夠在下個月就開始那這個很重要就是說我們開始要去跨部會的去重視這個議題\n\n24\n00:08:19,569 --> 00:08:39,578\n然後我們現在就是把工業專家都把他找進來之後就是跟健康的連結那這裡面PM0.1會是其中的一個議題是這樣子就是因為我們有研究成果的資料基礎才能夠有科學的依據那在法律的制定跟政策的制定\n\n25\n00:08:40,745 --> 00:09:01,608\n安全值的制定上才會有依據國人也才比較能健康可以獲得確保相類似的問題因為這是一個很新的議題所以請環境部這邊還是必須要加快腳步跟世界\n\n26\n00:09:02,348 --> 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謝委員你講到的是重點不是說想要設就設要擺的地點要適當然後也要有足夠的人力去維護等等這個都要支援那在預算不足的情況之下可能預算都撥到地方去地方也要加強設所以這個都必須要大家一起來努力\n399947\t423383\t所以我想這個我們會目前既有的車站怎麼樣去做轉型或調整來因應這個新興的這樣的PM0.1對那就是像次郎講的除了部裡面自己的檢測站以外有很多是地方的那其實很多工作本來就是中央跟地方必須要協力來完成的\n426105\t437454\t因為PM0.1根據研究顯示確實對人類對人體有很多的危害包括世衛組織\n439793\t453308\t都沒有辦法精確的掌握到說PM0.1的濃度到底到達多少的時候會造成多大程度的健康風險危害所以\n455266\t477184\t環境部這邊會不會跟衛福部或相關單位來分析研究當然隨時加入國際的數據來分析PM0.1所帶來的健康風險評估或者是最慢疫什麼時候會啟動相類似的計畫\n481431\t497968\t我們跟衛福部會有一個所謂的雙次長會議有兩個次長然後跟學者專家一起啟動這樣的機制我們是希望能夠在下個月就開始那這個很重要就是說我們開始要去跨部會的去重視這個議題\n499569\t519578\t然後我們現在就是把工業專家都把他找進來之後就是跟健康的連結那這裡面PM0.1會是其中的一個議題是這樣子就是因為我們有研究成果的資料基礎才能夠有科學的依據那在法律的制定跟政策的制定\n520745\t541608\t安全值的制定上才會有依據國人也才比較能健康可以獲得確保相類似的問題因為這是一個很新的議題所以請環境部這邊還是必須要加快腳步跟世界\n542348\t557318\t相關組織接軌我們有自己的進度那假如說國際有新的資料出來我們可以接近的也必須要一併做處理好不好好 謝謝委員的提出 謝謝主席\n","txt":"市長我們今天討論一個比較新的題目我還是要先肯定一下\n執政團隊因為我根據也是你們來的資料就是台灣空氣中的PM2.5的濃度在過去10年有顯著的下降我不知道你們這邊有沒有數據有\n那次長在這邊稍微報告一下,讓國人知道一下沒有,這個就是有的時候還是必須要宣導一下因為恐怖確實是伴隨著生活帶來很大的恐懼是,謝謝委員那過去我們比較關心的是PM2.5的部分\n那從102年開始其實不管馬總統時代或者是小英總統時代其實大家都努力了在全國各縣市的環保專會或者是各事業的自己的檢污檢排還有全民的努力之下PM2.5從102年的24\n到了去年113年已經降到12.8這個減幅是相當的大減幅將近百分之五十了這個超過改善百分之八十八百分之八十八所以我想這個努力是大家全民的一個結果啦那因為現在大家比較關心除了2.5之外更細的PM1甚至今天的議題對超細閒文為例PM0.1才有今天的專報\n科技越來越發達所以對於生活中的有害物質的發現就會越來越多\n因為現在世衛組織跟歐盟對於PM0.1對人體造成的健康風險提出了高度的關注跟警告大概認為PM0.1對於心血管、肺部、腦部都可能帶來疾病世衛組織也將PM0.1定為一級的致癌物\n危害更甚於PM2.5那我想要請問一下市長你們對於PM0.1的減排方向的政策方向你大概講一下\n我簡單說明一下就是PM0.1因為它細太小了對所以我們人體的防禦沒有辦法去抵禦的情況之下我們戴口罩也沒辦法保護自己戴口罩也沒有辦法氣管都沒辦法把它排除掉進到肺部甚至進到血液裡面戴口罩也沒有辦法沒辦法太細了像這個就必須要讓國人很清楚所以我們要去關心這個東西所以現在就是說\n世界衛生組織開始提醒了然後歐盟也注意到了要開始做監測以前都沒有去測這個東西現在開始要測所以測了之後你才能夠知道它主要會從哪些來源來因為現在有人開始測這個之後發現說它跟這個交通的那個密集\n經過的車輛是有關的所以我們大概可以比較確定就是說它跟交通來源是有相關性所以我們要去管制移動污染源的原因也在這個地方那另外有一些工廠的排放等等也是可能會造成的原因那我們現在就是要因為數量還不是足夠讓我們可以確認所以我們先把它做監測之後因為歐盟也是去年才開始要會員國兩年之內要設監測站也就是明年底\n要完成監測那我們現在開始有實驗性的監測在進行了那監測出來這些數據都會提供給我們做參考將來我們會參考歐盟參考這個先進國家他們的管制策略然後看看我們的本土的情況是怎麼樣然後我們來採取對策\n那我們因為它是新的東西所以我們的空氣品質監測站會不會逐步更新配合BM0.1因為我們現在的空品監測站有78個環保署的時代到現在環境部中央設的有78個監測站其中有6個是跟交通有關地方也有34個測站地方也有在測\n所以現在開始有試驗性的測站出來了\n我們在這個台北有一個站就是台大防空所有台大防空所的教授協助我們做這樣的一個試驗計畫從102年開始到現在持續在進行當中一直在蒐集這個資料那慢慢的我們也在高雄有設了我們在台中也設了北中南各有像可以對比去了解成因是什麼找出成因之後然後才能夠提出解決的對策\n過往因為它太新的東西啦是是是因為以前都忽略了沒有注意到那現在開始提醒我們要注意這個那這邊也提醒一下次長就是監測站逐步更新甚至於假如說它目前的資料照次長講的就是可能是來自移動污染源\n產生PM0.1的情況比較多那有沒有要增加\n監測站然後人力的培訓你們這邊目前可能也...是 謝委員你講到的是重點不是說想要設就設要擺的地點要適當然後也要有足夠的人力去維護等等這個都要支援那在預算不足的情況之下可能預算都撥到地方去地方也要加強設所以這個都必須要大家一起來努力\n所以我想這個我們會目前既有的車站怎麼樣去做轉型或調整來因應這個新興的這樣的PM0.1對那就是像次郎講的除了部裡面自己的檢測站以外有很多是地方的那其實很多工作本來就是中央跟地方必須要協力來完成的\n因為PM0.1根據研究顯示確實對人類對人體有很多的危害包括世衛組織\n都沒有辦法精確的掌握到說PM0.1的濃度到底到達多少的時候會造成多大程度的健康風險危害所以\n環境部這邊會不會跟衛福部或相關單位來分析研究當然隨時加入國際的數據來分析PM0.1所帶來的健康風險評估或者是最慢疫什麼時候會啟動相類似的計畫\n我們跟衛福部會有一個所謂的雙次長會議有兩個次長然後跟學者專家一起啟動這樣的機制我們是希望能夠在下個月就開始那這個很重要就是說我們開始要去跨部會的去重視這個議題\n然後我們現在就是把工業專家都把他找進來之後就是跟健康的連結那這裡面PM0.1會是其中的一個議題是這樣子就是因為我們有研究成果的資料基礎才能夠有科學的依據那在法律的制定跟政策的制定\n安全值的制定上才會有依據國人也才比較能健康可以獲得確保相類似的問題因為這是一個很新的議題所以請環境部這邊還是必須要加快腳步跟世界\n相關組織接軌我們有自己的進度那假如說國際有新的資料出來我們可以接近的也必須要一併做處理好不好好 謝謝委員的提出 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.223 --> 00:07.229\n市長我們今天討論一個比較新的題目我還是要先肯定一下\n\n00:24.914 --> 00:37.939\n執政團隊因為我根據也是你們來的資料就是台灣空氣中的PM2.5的濃度在過去10年有顯著的下降我不知道你們這邊有沒有數據有\n\n00:42.942 --> 01:03.420\n那次長在這邊稍微報告一下,讓國人知道一下沒有,這個就是有的時候還是必須要宣導一下因為恐怖確實是伴隨著生活帶來很大的恐懼是,謝謝委員那過去我們比較關心的是PM2.5的部分\n\n01:04.261 --> 01:22.061\n那從102年開始其實不管馬總統時代或者是小英總統時代其實大家都努力了在全國各縣市的環保專會或者是各事業的自己的檢污檢排還有全民的努力之下PM2.5從102年的24\n\n01:25.385 --> 01:53.410\n到了去年113年已經降到12.8這個減幅是相當的大減幅將近百分之五十了這個超過改善百分之八十八百分之八十八所以我想這個努力是大家全民的一個結果啦那因為現在大家比較關心除了2.5之外更細的PM1甚至今天的議題對超細閒文為例PM0.1才有今天的專報\n\n01:54.850 --> 02:00.476\n科技越來越發達所以對於生活中的有害物質的發現就會越來越多\n\n02:06.089 --> 02:33.190\n因為現在世衛組織跟歐盟對於PM0.1對人體造成的健康風險提出了高度的關注跟警告大概認為PM0.1對於心血管、肺部、腦部都可能帶來疾病世衛組織也將PM0.1定為一級的致癌物\n\n02:34.691 --> 02:48.378\n危害更甚於PM2.5那我想要請問一下市長你們對於PM0.1的減排方向的政策方向你大概講一下\n\n02:49.618 --> 03:15.544\n我簡單說明一下就是PM0.1因為它細太小了對所以我們人體的防禦沒有辦法去抵禦的情況之下我們戴口罩也沒辦法保護自己戴口罩也沒有辦法氣管都沒辦法把它排除掉進到肺部甚至進到血液裡面戴口罩也沒有辦法沒辦法太細了像這個就必須要讓國人很清楚所以我們要去關心這個東西所以現在就是說\n\n03:17.222 --> 03:35.503\n世界衛生組織開始提醒了然後歐盟也注意到了要開始做監測以前都沒有去測這個東西現在開始要測所以測了之後你才能夠知道它主要會從哪些來源來因為現在有人開始測這個之後發現說它跟這個交通的那個密集\n\n03:37.095 --> 04:04.617\n經過的車輛是有關的所以我們大概可以比較確定就是說它跟交通來源是有相關性所以我們要去管制移動污染源的原因也在這個地方那另外有一些工廠的排放等等也是可能會造成的原因那我們現在就是要因為數量還不是足夠讓我們可以確認所以我們先把它做監測之後因為歐盟也是去年才開始要會員國兩年之內要設監測站也就是明年底\n\n04:05.518 --> 04:22.087\n要完成監測那我們現在開始有實驗性的監測在進行了那監測出來這些數據都會提供給我們做參考將來我們會參考歐盟參考這個先進國家他們的管制策略然後看看我們的本土的情況是怎麼樣然後我們來採取對策\n\n04:24.444 --> 04:52.534\n那我們因為它是新的東西所以我們的空氣品質監測站會不會逐步更新配合BM0.1因為我們現在的空品監測站有78個環保署的時代到現在環境部中央設的有78個監測站其中有6個是跟交通有關地方也有34個測站地方也有在測\n\n04:54.154 --> 04:55.275\n所以現在開始有試驗性的測站出來了\n\n05:17.288 --> 05:41.600\n我們在這個台北有一個站就是台大防空所有台大防空所的教授協助我們做這樣的一個試驗計畫從102年開始到現在持續在進行當中一直在蒐集這個資料那慢慢的我們也在高雄有設了我們在台中也設了北中南各有像可以對比去了解成因是什麼找出成因之後然後才能夠提出解決的對策\n\n05:42.920 --> 06:05.666\n過往因為它太新的東西啦是是是因為以前都忽略了沒有注意到那現在開始提醒我們要注意這個那這邊也提醒一下次長就是監測站逐步更新甚至於假如說它目前的資料照次長講的就是可能是來自移動污染源\n\n06:07.349 --> 06:12.725\n產生PM0.1的情況比較多那有沒有要增加\n\n06:14.811 --> 06:38.806\n監測站然後人力的培訓你們這邊目前可能也...是謝委員你講到的是重點不是說想要設就設要擺的地點要適當然後也要有足夠的人力去維護等等這個都要支援那在預算不足的情況之下可能預算都撥到地方去地方也要加強設所以這個都必須要大家一起來努力\n\n06:39.947 --> 07:03.383\n所以我想這個我們會目前既有的車站怎麼樣去做轉型或調整來因應這個新興的這樣的PM0.1對那就是像次郎講的除了部裡面自己的檢測站以外有很多是地方的那其實很多工作本來就是中央跟地方必須要協力來完成的\n\n07:06.105 --> 07:17.454\n因為PM0.1根據研究顯示確實對人類對人體有很多的危害包括世衛組織\n\n07:19.793 --> 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謝謝主席"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":843,"blocks":[["楊委員曜：（12時9分）謝謝主席，請次長。"],["主席：好，麻煩次長。"],["沈次長志修：委員好。"],["楊委員曜：次長好。次長，我們今天討論一個比較新的題目，我還是要先肯定一下執政團隊，根據你們提供的資料有關臺灣空氣中PM2.5的濃度，在過去10年有顯著的下降，我不知道你們這邊有沒有數據？"],["沈次長志修：有。"],["楊委員曜：有啊！次長在這邊稍微報告一下……"],["沈次長志修：好，我們102年……"],["楊委員曜：讓國人知道一下，還是必須要宣導一下，因為空污確實是伴隨著生活帶來很大的恐懼。"],["沈次長志修：是，謝謝委員。過去我們比較關心的是PM2.5的部分，從102年開始，不管馬總統時代或者小英總統時代，其實大家都有努力。在全國各縣市的環保單位，或者是各事業的減污、減排，還有全民的努力之下，PM2.5從102年的24，到了去年113年已經降到12.8，減幅相當大。"],["楊委員曜：減幅將近50%。"],["沈次長志修：是，超過了，改善88%，這是全民努力的結果。因為現在大家比較關心的除了PM2.5之外，還有更細的PM1，甚至今天的議題，超細懸浮微粒（PM0.1），也才有這個專報。"],["楊委員曜：科技越來越發達，對於生活中有害物質的發現，就會越來越多。世衛組織跟歐盟就PM0.1對人體造成的健康風險，提出了高度的關注跟警告，認為PM0.1對於心血管、肺部、腦部都可能帶來疾病，世衛組織也將PM0.1定為一級的致癌物，危害更甚於PM2.5。我想請問次長，對於PM0.1減排的政策方向，請你大概說明。"],["沈次長志修：我簡單說明，因為PM0.1太細小，所以人體沒有辦法去抵禦，戴口罩也沒辦法保護自己……"],["楊委員曜：戴口罩也沒有辦法？"],["沈次長志修：我們的鼻孔、氣管都沒辦法把它排除掉，它會進到肺部，甚至進到血液裡面。"],["楊委員曜：戴口罩也沒有辦法？"],["沈次長志修：沒辦法，它太細了，所以這個是我們……"],["楊委員曜：像這個就必須要讓國人很清楚知道，好不好？"],["沈次長志修：是啊！所以現在要關心這個東西。現在世界衛生組織開始提醒，歐盟也注意到了，要開始做監測。以前都沒監測這個東西，現在開始要監測，測了之後才能夠知道它主要的來源為何？開始監測之後發現，它跟交通密集經過的車輛是有關的，大概可以比較確定它跟交通來源是有相關性的，所以我們要去管制移動污染源的原因，也在這個地方。另外有一些工廠的排放等等，也是可能造成的原因，現在因為數量還不足夠讓我們可以確認，所以先進行監測之後……因為歐盟也是去年才開始要會員國2年之內設監測站，也就是明年底要完成監測，現在開始有實驗性的監測在進行，監測出來的數據都會提供給我們做參考，將來會參考歐盟及先進國家的管制策略，然後看本土的情況再來採取對策。"],["楊委員曜：因為它是新的東西，所以我們的空氣品質監測站會不會配合PM0.1逐步更新？"],["沈次長志修：現在的空品監測站有78個，環保署的時代到現在環境部，中央設了78個監測站，其中有6個跟交通有關。地方也有34個監測站，地方也有在測交通的部分，像臺北市的測站就有3個在測。可是過去都是在測PM2.5，像粒狀蹤污染物、氮氧化物等等，PM0.1不是它們的重點，那時候也沒有注意到這些這麼細小、微細的東西。"],["楊委員曜：我現在問的是有沒有逐步更新？"],["沈次長志修：所以現在開始有試驗性的測站出來了，在臺北有一個站，就是在臺大環工所，由臺大環工所的教授協助我們做一個試驗計畫，從102年開始到現在持續進行當中，一直在蒐集資料。我們在高雄、臺中也都有設站，北、中、南都有，這樣可以對比來瞭解成因是什麼？找出成因之後，才能提出解決的對策。"],["楊委員曜：對，因為是太新的東西，所以……"],["沈次長志修：是，以前都忽略了，沒有注意到，現在開始提醒我們要注意。"],["楊委員曜：這邊也提醒次長，關於監測站逐步更新的部分，假如它目前的資料，照次長講的，可能是來自移動污染源產生PM0.1的情況比較多，那有沒有要增加監測站？然後人力的培訓，你們這邊目前可能也還沒有……"],["沈次長志修：是，謝謝委員。你講到的是重點，不是想要設就設，設立的地點也要適當，也要有足夠的人力去維護等等，這些都要相關的支援。在預算不足的情況之下，預算可能都撥到地方去了，地方也要加強，所以必須要大家一起來努力。這個部分我們會就目前既有的測站怎麼樣去做轉型或調整，來因應這一個新興的PM0.1議題。"],["楊委員曜：就像次長講的，除了部裡面自己的監測站以外，有很多是地方的，其實很多工作本來就是中央跟地方必須要協力來完成。因為根據研究顯示，PM0.1確實對人體有很多的危害，但包括世衛組織都沒有辦法精確的掌握，到底PM0.1的濃度達到多少，會造成多大程度的健康風險危害？環境部會不會跟衛福部或相關單位來分析研究，當然也隨時加入國際的數據，以分析PM0.1所帶來的健康風險評估？最慢什麼時候會啟動相類似的計畫？"],["沈次長志修：我們跟衛福部會有一個所謂的雙次長會議，由兩個次長跟學者專家一起啟動這樣的機制，希望能夠在下個月就開始。這個部分很重要，我們開始跨部會去重視這個議題，把公衛的專家都找進來，之後進行跟健康的連結，PM0.1會是其中的一個議題。"],["楊委員曜：因為有研究成果的資料基礎，才能夠有科學的依據，在法律的制定跟政策的制定、安全值的制定上才會有依據，國人的健康也才可以獲得確保。相類似的問題，因為這是一個很新的議題，所以請環境部這邊還是必須要加快腳步跟世界相關組織接軌，我們有自己的進度，假如國際有新的資料出來，我們可以借鏡的，也必須要一併處理，好不好？"],["沈次長志修：好，謝謝委員的提醒。"],["楊委員曜：謝謝次長，謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝楊曜委員精闢的發言，也謝謝次長的答詢。","本日會議詢答全部結束，委員廖偉翔、蘇清泉所提書面質詢列入紀錄，刊登公報。"],["委員廖偉翔書面質詢：","案由：鑒於歐盟預計將超細懸浮微粒（PM0.1）納入空氣品質管制範疇，且世界衛生組織2021年起亦建議各國加強監測與管理，以降低對人民健康之危害。我國現行空氣污染防制政策雖對PM2.5等指標污染物已有官制標準，惟針對PM0.1之監測與管制仍屬起步階段。為保障國人健康、接軌國際標準，爰向環境部提出書面質詢。","說明：","1.歐盟及世界衛生組織已將PM0.1列為潛在健康風險因子，因其粒徑更小，易深入肺部及血液循環系統，對孕婦、兒童及慢性病患者影響尤甚。我國近年雖於PM2.5管制上取得進展，全國年均濃度已降至12.8微克/立方公尺，惟PM0.1監測與標準尚未明確。環境部雖已於北中南三地試行PM0.1監測，尚未全面納管，請問現階段監測數據為何？是否已有監測結果顯示PM0.1於我國之污染現況？","2.目前國際上對PM0.1之監測技術、數據累積及流行病學研究仍有限，我國現行空氣污染防制方案（113年至116年）雖強調精準治理與跨部會合作，但未將PM0.1明確納入重點管制對象。請問環境部是否計畫擴大PM0.1監測站點，並將監測數據公開？未來是否考慮將PM0.1納入國家空氣品質標準，並參照歐盟或世衛標準，制定我國管制目標與行動方案？","3.根據醫療團體建議，PM0.1對神經系統、心血管及肺部健康影響甚鉅，建議普設交通監測站並將PM0.1列為優先施政。請問環境部如何與衛福部、交通部等跨部會合作，針對交通、工業等主要污染源加強監測與減量？是否有具體時程規劃，於全國重點區域逐步導入PM0.1監測與管制措施？"],["委員蘇清泉書面質詢：","環境部今日報告第2頁，提及「PM2.5從105年20μg/m3降至113年的12.8μg/m3」，我發現2024/04/29在環境部預告修正「空氣品質標準」也是同樣的數據跟文字，且這次未提供完整年度數據趨勢圖或誤差範圍，缺乏說服力，環境監測數據會受到多種因素影響，若無完整數據，會不會影響判斷？","鑑於PM0.1的「空間分布差異顯著」特性，請問環境部目前已部署的PM0.1監測站點是否足以精準捕捉城市內部的高度變化性？","PM0.1對人體的危害性被證實遠超PM2.5，特別是可能導致「胎兒與大腦影響」以及「流產與早產」。請問環境部與衛福部是否有針對PM0.1的特性，共同研擬更具針對性、更具操作性的公眾健康防護指引？例如，針對孕婦、嬰幼兒等高敏感族群，除了避免外出，是否有建議的室內空氣淨化標準或設備選用原則？加拿大研究推估台灣每年約有9,529至10,511人的非意外死亡可能歸因於PM0.1。請問環境部與衛福部是否已啟動本土性的PM0.1相關健康影響評估與風險推估研究？若有，預計何時能提出具台灣本土數據支持的死亡率或疾病負擔評估報告？若無，原因為何，以及是否有啟動規劃？","醫界強烈呼籲，PM0.1的管制需要中央跨部會的共同努力，包括勞動部、交通部、衛福部、經濟部、國科會、教育部、中研院等都應有所作為。環境部如何確保這些跨部會之間的實際合作與權責釐清，尤其是在工業有害空氣污染物、車輛非尾氣污染以及農業污染等涉及多個主管機關的議題？目前是否有針對PM0.1管制，考慮提出更具法律約束力的法規修訂或新增草案？以強化各部會的執行力？","資料指出高屏地區PM0.1的主要來源包括柴油車等移動污染源、鋼鐵與電力業等固定污染源，以及道路揚塵、露天燃燒等逸散污染源。針對高屏地區高密度的汽機車排放，尤其柴油車被指出是PM2.5（間接包含PM0.1）的主要移動源貢獻者，環境部與交通部將如何合作，在高屏地區推動更積極的柴油車汰舊換新補助、加強路邊攔檢及非尾氣（如煞車粉塵、輪胎磨損）的管制？請提供具體的執行計畫與預計減量目標。","高屏地區位於下風處，污染物易累積，且PM0.1的濃度在城市內部呈現顯著空間差異。面對如此複雜的區域污染特性，環境部將如何強化中央與屏東縣環保局之間的區域聯防機制？屏東縣環保局雖持續針對露天燃燒、畜牧場異味、廢水偷排等進行稽查，這些行為產生的懸浮微粒也可能包含PM0.1。請問環境部將如何協助屏東縣環保局提升PM0.1的稽查量能與技術，並確保對各類污染源的查處能更有效降低PM0.1排放？是否有專案計畫協助地方提升此方面的能力？","未來是否會考慮在交通要道、工業區周邊、學校及醫院等高風險且人口密集區域，增設更密集的PM0.1監測點位？以提供更即時、更細緻的區域性空品資訊？"],["主席：現在處理臨時提案，計有2案，請一併宣讀。","一、","近年地面型光電擴建快速推進，卻在缺乏完善監管下，引發生態破壞與民怨四起。高雄大樹區山谷地區面積51公頃的國有土地，由自來水公司出租開發光電，開發過程中山頭遭剷平、植被消失，重型車輛進出導致揚塵嚴重、村民生活受干擾，水源與坡地安全亦深受威脅，顯見現行制度無法有效防範高風險區域之開發亂象。","根據經濟部能源署資料，要達成12GW的地面型光電裝置容量目標，尚需約6.7GW。針對太陽光電設置所需面積，通案性除需考量太陽光電模組發電效益外，尚有案場邊界退縮、運維空間保留、排除既有雜項工作物、案場遮蔭等因素考量，每千瓱所需空間約為1公頃。","也就是說，為達成政府光電發電的目標，還需要約6,700公頃的土地。現在爭議的是51公頃，未來可能是百倍規模的山林被夷為平地。如果換算，大約相當於四分之一個台北市、1,400座大巨蛋、3.4個左營區、258座大安森林公園，影響規模之大，令人憂心。","現行《開發行為應實施環境影響評估細目及範圍認定標準》對光電案場開發設有重大漏洞，不僅明定「位於政府核定補助或獎勵實施造林之土地，屬國有、公有、國營或公營事業土地者，但經能源主管機關同意者」可免行環評，且山坡地發電量裝置容量二萬瓱、或面積超過15公頃始須辦理環評，導致大量開發案可能得藉由土地屬性或面積條件規避審查，實際運作中不僅難以涵蓋非山坡地區，更難防範國營事業如台糖林地遭大規模砍伐種設光電。","為維護國土生態安全與居民環境品質，爰提案要求環境部重新研議並加嚴光電設置之環評標準，應移除國有土地、公營或國營事業土地得免環評之除外條款，並檢討山坡地面積門檻與審查範圍，確保未來大規模光電開發在推動能源轉型之餘，不再以破壞台灣最引以為傲的美麗環境與大自然為代價。","提案人：陳菁徽　　陳昭姿　　邱鎮軍","二、","台灣交通測站自82幾年起至今都維持6站，然而全國機動車輛登記已在今年五月達到2,335萬輛，因此交通測站的建置也需重新盤點，依照現今車輛數進行更精準的建置與監測。","要求環境部，一個月內針對PM0.1研議納入法規及管理提出具體規劃，並就交通測站增加站點，提出具體報告。","提案人：劉建國","連署人：王正旭　　楊　曜"],["主席：請問第一案，行政單位有無意見？"],["徐司長淑芷：建議文字修正。倒數第三行第二句「應移除國有土地……」的「移除」兩個字建議改成「研擬加嚴」，謝謝。"],["陳委員菁徽：謝謝環境部的配合。"],["主席：請陳菁徽委員。"],["陳委員菁徽：我希望可以在一、兩個月內看到你們預計加嚴的想法以及從哪邊去調整，謝謝。"],["主席：那就以剛剛所提的修正後通過。","請問第二案，行政單位有無意見？"],["張司長順欽：報告委員，在第二段的第一行，「納入法規……」加入「監測」兩個字，就是目前還是以監測先行，所以監測法規面還是以監測為主，這個部分跟委員辦公室有溝通過。"],["主席：請問是要修正成為……再確認一次。"],["張司長順欽：就是前面都沒變，PM0.1研議納入「監測」法規，後面其他都沒有改，只增加「監測」兩個字。因為目前都還不知道怎麼管，所以監測先做，以後要怎麼管，我們再來想辦法。"],["主席：所以同意？那就依照修正後通過。","臨時提案全部處理結束。現在作以下決定：報告及詢答完畢，委員質詢未及答復或請補充資料者，請相關機關於2週內以書面答復，委員另有要求期限者，從其所定。","本日會議到此結束，星期四早上9時繼續開會，現在休息。","休息（12時21分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":178,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-26-18","speakers":["劉建國","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","邱鎮軍","王育敏","涂權吉","王正旭","黃秀芳","林淑芬","麥玉珍","陳瑩","楊曜","廖偉翔","蘇清泉"],"page_start":119,"meetingDate":["2025-06-25"],"gazette_id":"1146302","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1146302_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第18次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請環境部部長、交通部、教育部、衛生福利部、經濟部就「因應歐盟管制超細懸浮微粒\n（PM0.1），我國空污管制政策如何精進、提升，保障國人健康安全」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1146302_00002"}}}