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00:03:02,072\n我相信部長對這件事情應該有清楚的掌握自行車的路權跟道路規劃近年來在永續運輸跟觀光促進的風潮之下開始受到政府的大力支持這是好事可是其實仔細看的話政府對於自行車的定位好像就是在觀光就沒了日常的通勤跟生活道路的騎乘完全比較沒有明確的規劃所以在台灣騎腳踏車的話真的就好像一場那個障礙賽一樣\n\n9\n00:03:03,172 --> 00:03:19,738\n所以想問部長就你了解除了建制觀光用途的環島的路網以外政府這裡有沒有任何針對自行車通勤跟道路環境規劃有沒有一些基本的政策方針報告委員通勤的部分是由內政部來做規劃不是由交通部來做規劃\n\n10\n00:03:20,802 --> 00:03:46,370\n所以就會是在那你們這邊搭配的會有什麼因為還是有些事實上是在公路上不見得事實上是我們目前有四年的這個自行車的整整整個環島的規劃的計畫但這個部分其實會比較不是偏向通通勤我們是比較偏向觀光對交通部來講我們的權責上我們是負責這一塊那至於通勤都市內的部分主要都是由內政部來負責不過因為\n\n11\n00:03:52,438 --> 00:04:13,036\n有些我剛剛提到有些還是是在公路的範圍所以但這個事實上是都市人本交通規劃設計手冊對人本交通的考量江部也一直在推人本交通那不知道就是說整個的自行車你的整個環境規劃跟改善完全\n\n12\n00:04:13,897 --> 00:04:38,792\n部內到底有沒有有一些搭配的甚至不會是因為今天要講人本交通化可是人本交通一個就行人一個事實上是就是我們的綠色運輸就是自行車嘛事實上是最為能夠是環保的運輸工具所以就希望說在整個的交通工程規劃裡邊能夠去做這樣的一個考量為什麼我這樣講呢我們就來看\n\n13\n00:04:43,195 --> 00:05:00,406\n在整個的道路環境裡面很常事實上是沒有給自行車有這樣子的一個空間所在使得即便事實上是台北市看起來也都沒有自行車的車道的一些空間那在下一頁可以看到就三年多前的話我們的著名的作家那個陳靜\n\n14\n00:05:01,747 --> 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