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00:01:29,542\n他其實每一個月大概會有一到兩次會來到台北那有時候呢如果是參加政府部門的會議的話會補助交通費可是如果是開記者會或是其他的一些諮詢會議例如我們的公聽會或是我們的座談會等等的一年大概有三到四次他是要自己付費的\n\n5\n00:01:30,123 --> 00:01:51,570\n好等於是說他要付9000到12000的費用可是如果今天是大學生上來開會的時候他只要付4500到6000所以我會認為說今天我們要做高鐵2.0的時候我們是不是也可以把青少年的這一個部分的學生票價是不是可以有一些方案來支持呢不曉得董事長您的想法是什麼\n\n6\n00:01:52,619 --> 00:02:10,950\n好謝謝委員我想這確實是一個課題啦我承認啦但是可能要給我們一些時間來研究一下因為這個大學生會有這樣的優惠當然是因為我們普遍覺得大學生是有非常眾多是離開家鄉去外地就學\n\n7\n00:02:12,045 --> 00:02:32,739\n那兒童票12歲以下這是法定的規定所以剛好就是這一段這個中間的這個12到18嘛變成一個這個大家好像忽略之處啦所以我們事實上是用暑假的少年票來彌補但是委員剛剛講說是不是能夠變成一個普遍性的這個措施是不是給我們一些時間來研究因為這個考慮到這個相關的這個計算的問題\n\n8\n00:02:34,944 --> 00:02:49,301\n我想你們可能會去計算的例如就是說到底損失會有差多少嘛對不對所以是有一些精算的部需要去精算嘛那這個部分大概需要多久的時間呢我想至少要給我們三個月的時間\n\n9\n00:02:49,721 --> 00:03:17,372\n三個月的時間好喔沒關係那我們就三個月之後我希望這份報告也可以提供給我們讓我們一起來看看到底這個部分是可不可行這樣子那我這邊也再提一下為什麼說我們不能夠只有暑假遊因為我想過去部長就是董事長您過去也擔任過文化部長對不對我們其實有推出了很多希望少年可以去親近藝術親近博物館親近很多文化空間的一些活動\n\n10\n00:03:18,132 --> 00:03:42,880\n那這些活動需不需要交通費可能是會要的因為我們不能從台北的角度在思考有非常多的小孩青少年他必須要從南部移動到台北那甚至我們教育部自己都有15到35歲的一個青年撞遊的計畫那等於是說今天大家都拿到一樣的補助這個青少年國高中生要負擔的交通費會先比大學生多所以這部分我是希望\n\n11\n00:03:44,080 --> 00:04:03,052\n就是董事長您一定要來為這些年輕的孩子這些青少年不管是這個學習的教育的禁用性文化的禁用性上面來做一個思考那我想也給就是董事長一個簡報分析一下其實在歐日他們都有針對於學生譬如大學以下\n\n12\n00:04:04,092 --> 00:04:26,999\n從大學到以下的學生會有一些同等的優惠那其實概念都是一樣的概念都是希望說讓他們可以去了解這個國家不同的地方他們可以去撞遊所以我會認為這件事情是必要的那不曉得說這樣聽起來是說會三個月之後會有一個可能初步的一個規劃的方向對不對精算之後可能會有一個\n\n13\n00:04:27,779 --> 00:04:45,409\n跟委員報告過去我在文化部事實上文化幣也是我辦的嘛對那也是我去讓它向下延伸到15歲現在更向下的延伸了對沒錯不過這個距離確實是一個體驗的一個必要的過程所以事實上您提的這個部分我們很願意來仔細來研究好不好\n\n14\n00:04:45,829 --> 00:05:03,746\n因為我希望就是說我們今天讓孩子不管是他參與公共事務也好或是他參與文化的活動也好都不應該會因為他可能無法負擔這麼高額的一個交通費而導致他無法參與這樣子的活動那最後我也想請部長可不可以部長就是我也想要針對這一題\n\n15\n00:05:06,340 --> 00:05:08,281\n大學生有時候是因為他就讀的地方跟他的住家其實有一段距離所以高鐵當時會有這樣的思考\n\n16\n00:05:25,011 --> 00:05:43,628\n但是大學以下的大部分都是在自己的都市周圍活動那有時候會因為要出遊或者參加活動那當然這個部分需要來考慮但不過我也是希望說呼籲一下年輕的學生如果有機會的話多搭台鐵也還不錯我們希望多一些人可以搭台鐵大家不要只思考高鐵\n\n17\n00:05:44,549 --> 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我承認啦但是可能要給我們一些時間來研究一下因為這個大學生會有這樣的優惠當然是因為我們普遍覺得大學生是有非常眾多是離開家鄉去外地就學\n那兒童票12歲以下這是法定的規定所以剛好就是這一段這個中間的這個12到18嘛變成一個這個大家好像忽略之處啦所以我們事實上是用暑假的少年票來彌補但是委員剛剛講說是不是能夠變成一個普遍性的這個措施是不是給我們一些時間來研究因為這個考慮到這個相關的這個計算的問題\n我想你們可能會去計算的例如就是說到底損失會有差多少嘛對不對所以是有一些精算的部需要去精算嘛那這個部分大概需要多久的時間呢我想至少要給我們三個月的時間\n三個月的時間好喔沒關係那我們就三個月之後我希望這份報告也可以提供給我們讓我們一起來看看到底這個部分是可不可行這樣子那我這邊也再提一下為什麼說我們不能夠只有暑假遊因為我想過去部長就是董事長您過去也擔任過文化部長對不對我們其實有推出了很多希望少年可以去親近藝術親近博物館親近很多文化空間的一些活動\n那這些活動需不需要交通費可能是會要的因為我們不能從台北的角度在思考有非常多的小孩青少年他必須要從南部移動到台北那甚至我們教育部自己都有15到35歲的一個青年撞遊的計畫那等於是說今天大家都拿到一樣的補助這個青少年國高中生要負擔的交通費會先比大學生多所以這部分我是希望\n就是董事長您一定要來為這些年輕的孩子這些青少年不管是這個學習的教育的禁用性文化的禁用性上面來做一個思考那我想也給就是董事長一個簡報分析一下其實在歐日他們都有針對於學生譬如大學以下\n從大學到以下的學生會有一些同等的優惠那其實概念都是一樣的概念都是希望說讓他們可以去了解這個國家不同的地方他們可以去撞遊所以我會認為這件事情是必要的那不曉得說這樣聽起來是說會三個月之後會有一個可能初步的一個規劃的方向對不對精算之後可能會有一個\n跟委員報告過去我在文化部事實上文化幣也是我辦的嘛對那也是我去讓它向下延伸到15歲現在更向下的延伸了對沒錯不過這個距離確實是一個體驗的一個必要的過程所以事實上您提的這個部分我們很願意來仔細來研究好不好\n因為我希望就是說我們今天讓孩子不管是他參與公共事務也好或是他參與文化的活動也好都不應該會因為他可能無法負擔這麼高額的一個交通費而導致他無法參與這樣子的活動那最後我也想請部長可不可以部長就是我也想要針對這一題\n大學生有時候是因為他就讀的地方跟他的住家其實有一段距離所以高鐵當時會有這樣的思考\n但是大學以下的大部分都是在自己的都市周圍活動那有時候會因為要出遊或者參加活動那當然這個部分需要來考慮但不過我也是希望說呼籲一下年輕的學生如果有機會的話多搭台鐵也還不錯我們希望多一些人可以搭台鐵大家不要只思考高鐵\n當然當然可是像我也我覺得大家也必須誠實的面對啦就是說有些會議啦兒少代表要參加的會議可能就是他從高雄出來像我們剛剛問的那個就是他從高雄出來他來到台北可能就會花非常多的時間所以對他來說所以我覺得還是要去考量到因為我剛剛講的這個是不管是日本的JR包含日本的新幹線也都有提供相關的優惠那這個部分也希望部長跟一起來支持一起來討論好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.761 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