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00:00:12,936\n好謝謝主席謝謝國城召委我們是不是先部長先喝口水慢慢來好我們請陳部長好請交通部陳部長\n\n2\n00:00:16,482 --> 00:00:43,427\n那今天我們聚焦在台鐵跟高鐵那我要請教部長因為我一直很關心這個行動電源的安全問題那剛好我看到這個新聞那有系列的報導這個中國製的行動電源災情連環報那聽說這個安普瑞斯電芯是其中就是那個電池的問題裡面的一個零件是禍首\n\n3\n00:00:46,318 --> 00:01:04,925\n這個因為這樣子所以中國製的這個行動電源現在有羅馬市跟安克已經相繼公告要收回回收那他們存在這個起火爆炸風險的這兩家的行動電源相當於全球2024出貨量的四分之一\n\n4\n00:01:05,865 --> 00:01:26,792\n那我要請部長要重視這個問題是在於雖然我看到媒體上宣稱安克號召回收召回的70萬顆裡面在台灣涉及的數量不超過5500顆但是這個是由代理商的一個官方數字\n\n5\n00:01:27,612 --> 00:01:45,491\n那如果說有現在盛行的電商的網購或者是我們自行平行輸入的民眾自己帶回來的台灣到底有多少這樣的數量不清楚那我要問的是什麼既然有這樣子的一個風險存在也曾經發生來下一頁\n\n6\n00:01:47,884 --> 00:02:04,859\n行動電源的事故在航空釜山航空客機曾經發生過香港航空在飛行途中也曾經發生過那我們也看到在國內有台鐵有高鐵也有所以我們現在要請部長是\n\n7\n00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:33,890\n要求在航空高鐵台鐵的三大的運具系統裡面這個是國人的安全最重要那如何保障那航空當然我們知道他們有國際公約所以呢航空做的是最高標準最嚴格的所以呢我們也看到在民航運輸裡面對於這個起火有納入他們的應變跟訓練項目但是當然我知道呢用民航的這個高規格國際的高規格可能跟高鐵\n\n8\n00:02:34,850 --> 00:02:50,558\n台鐵跟路上的不是這麼樣的一個match適用但是我們也應該要注意到高鐵跟台鐵對於相關的這個行動電源可能自然可能起火可能造成的一個車廂內的一個這個恐慌那我們又該如何的應變部長這個你同意嘛對不對\n\n9\n00:02:55,720 --> 00:03:21,099\n是相當同意感謝委員的垂詢針對這個議題其實最近大家都相當關注所以我們在民航系統各個航空公司現在在登機的時候針對行動電源都有新的規範新的規定那車廂上面在台鐵跟高鐵都發生過那我知道鐵道局其實都有要求每一個鐵路系統都要做防災尤其是火災方面的演練那台鐵跟高鐵其實都有做這方面的演練\n\n10\n00:03:21,559 --> 00:03:47,746\n部長我就是要來跟你討論這件事我曾經跟運安會質詢運安會有給了我一些建議他們也會給高鐵跟台鐵一些建議當然如部長所說的可能局長也有要求高鐵確實有訂定火災一般性的應變程序問題是我調了一個資料的時候是在於因應不同樣態的火災的應變程序到底有沒有落實\n\n11\n00:03:48,986 --> 00:04:14,372\n我覺得這是一點現在的樣態有很多不同的一個火災發生的原因那當然在車廂內我也肯定我也相信高鐵一定有這個嚴格的一個應變的一個措施跟演練但是還是發生了還是曾經發生了所以現在我們希望高鐵的新董事長上任我覺得安全的問題一定要注意那最重要的是高鐵\n\n12\n00:04:15,572 --> 00:04:32,391\n的這個有沒有辦法針對他現在的一個應變措施在優化我覺得我給時間請董事長是不是把這個納入是在新型的車廂要進來了新型的車廂裡面到底有沒有相關的一個安全的應變措施的優化有嗎\n\n13\n00:04:36,549 --> 00:04:52,222\n報告委員新型的車廂還沒有進來但是未來的部分當然要先來預作討論那剛剛委員其實有提醒到說火災一樣是火但是樣態可能不一樣所以我們的同仁要有那個知識足夠的知識知道說例如說離電池\n\n14\n00:04:54,003 --> 00:05:13,084\n該怎麼處理離電池跟一般的火災其實真的相當的不同你可能用一般的滅火器無法來處理那該怎麼處理那重點我覺得第一重點是第一要務是除了處理那個火災以外第一要務應該是人員的疏散跟安全人員不要出事這個部分要先有這部分的能力\n\n15\n00:05:13,404 --> 00:05:40,160\n因為我知道高鐵他行駛的速度相當快所以你他沒有辦法像一般譬如說我們的公車或者是台鐵他可以馬上停站那當然要有一定的規模以上的一個災害的樣態才會停車嘛那所以呢我只是提醒高鐵公司我們現在剛剛我聽到董事長在回答我們呢即將20年那我們要為未來的10年未來的20年還要再做更\n\n16\n00:05:42,862 --> 00:06:00,994\n安全更專業更嚴格的自我要求來提供旅客安全嘛跟快速便利嘛所以這個是未來新型態的一個災害樣態我只是希望說不管是現在或是未來新型車廂進來這個整個包括部長你提示的這個\n\n17\n00:06:02,615 --> 00:06:05,398\n火災怎麼應變我知道高鐵現在車廂裡面的這個這個叫什麼滅火器那個滅火器是複合型的任何包括離電池自然也可以適用的那未來的新型車廂是不是也是如此那這個其實是第一要務第二要務\n\n18\n00:06:20,675 --> 00:06:48,107\n旅客的安全那怎麼樣的有秩序的一個疏散跟應變所以除了高鐵之外台鐵當然也是鐵道局管的嘛台鐵也是換了新董事長啊台鐵在行動電源的起火裡面也有兩起的案例囉那我們台鐵現在的列車的型號又比高鐵複雜高鐵呢可能比較一致性那台鐵它有很多不同的型號對不對那所以它的\n\n19\n00:06:49,587 --> 00:07:08,413\n這個應變機制需要更周全部長同樣的我也希望新的董事長上任除了對於台鐵的這個營運那我希望對於安全專業應該要更能夠從民眾的角度旅客的角度來要維護安全第一嘛部長對不對\n\n20\n00:07:09,153 --> 00:07:32,722\n是沒有錯安全絕對是第一要務這個部分我們會來請台鐵公司針對因為現在離電池的人越來越多行動電源的人越來越多所以這件事情可能未來可能還會發生那我們遇到的時候該怎麼應變我覺得台鐵公司跟高鐵公司都要做好萬全的準備尤其是我們同仁的訓練這個部分我們應該要專案下去處理我再跟部長講一件事\n\n21\n00:07:33,482 --> 00:07:51,005\n高鐵是比較新發展的運具所以他的智慧系統OK大家肯定但是台鐵沒有台鐵區間車跟自強號跟新自強號新自強號是新型的列車所以如果一旦發生事故\n\n22\n00:07:52,226 --> 00:08:19,299\n這個警示鈴的訊號可以直接連線列車長的他的那個運具上面可以自動連線他馬上就智慧系統啟動他看得到也知道事故發生在哪一個列車哪一個點可是呢除了新志強號之外區間車跟志強號是都沒有的喔他的警示鈴的設置系統是老的、古的他可能只有在列車長室才看得到可能是哪一個列車車廂\n\n23\n00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:47,952\n出了事情其他呢如果列車長不在現場他就不知道那當然你會看到有的區間車呢他的警示鈴按下去之後呢是全系列的車廂都會廣播可是他廣播他也沒有告訴列車長說是在哪一個地方發生了事故我們台鐵的車廂是一點都不智慧化那在這個情況之下我們怎麼幫台鐵部長\n\n24\n00:08:50,202 --> 00:09:04,846\n是報告委員這個是舊車廂啦目前大部分都是舊車廂啦那當然一方面我們的這個列車長一定知道他的車廂目前的設計是這個樣子所以他當然會特別去追問他必須要一個一個詢對他必須要一個一個詢他一定知道現在的這個狀況所以他沒有辦法即時啦他要一個車廂一個車廂走一個車廂一個車廂損損到他才知道發生什麼事情在哪裡發生那他才能夠處理那所以一點都不即時\n\n25\n00:09:20,031 --> 00:09:33,077\n那我們的舊車廂如果沒有要很短期時間之內汰換的話是不是有可能我們去研究一下有沒有什麼樣的即時的系統委員在提醒的這個我覺得非常值得去做研究非常值得去做因為我們已經在2023看到媒體的報導搭火車緊鄰從彰化翔到台中列車長都不知道那另外2024媒體報導這個當然說他的廁所的求助人是波兒哥倫敦橋\n\n26\n00:09:49,025 --> 00:10:08,000\n重點不再是撥兒歌重點是它是一個廣播系統廣播系統雖然讓旅客跟列車長知道但是呢發生什麼事情發生在哪裡列車長也是要一樣一個一個選所以它沒有辦法即時處理喔那這個就是安全的問題這個是安全的問題跟應變效果應變有沒有即時應變有沒有效率的問題喔這是安全所以部長\n\n27\n00:10:16,227 --> 00:10:42,074\n提醒我們高鐵台鐵都換新攏座我們希望安全的這一件事情第一個要科技化第二個我們希望他專業化第三個我們希望真的在人員的訓練上面應變措施等等都要及時更新跟得上時代的腳步啦好不好好謝謝謝謝委員部長那這樣子需要多久時間要台鐵研議你們研議大概要多少時間\n\n28\n00:10:44,355 --> 00:10:49,590\n三個月的時間他們來研究兩個月啦三個月太久了兩個月啦好不好兩個月好不好趕快來研究\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5352\t12936\t好謝謝主席謝謝國城召委我們是不是先部長先喝口水慢慢來好我們請陳部長好請交通部陳部長\n16482\t43427\t那今天我們聚焦在台鐵跟高鐵那我要請教部長因為我一直很關心這個行動電源的安全問題那剛好我看到這個新聞那有系列的報導這個中國製的行動電源災情連環報那聽說這個安普瑞斯電芯是其中就是那個電池的問題裡面的一個零件是禍首\n46318\t64925\t這個因為這樣子所以中國製的這個行動電源現在有羅馬市跟安克已經相繼公告要收回回收那他們存在這個起火爆炸風險的這兩家的行動電源相當於全球2024出貨量的四分之一\n65865\t86792\t那我要請部長要重視這個問題是在於雖然我看到媒體上宣稱安克號召回收召回的70萬顆裡面在台灣涉及的數量不超過5500顆但是這個是由代理商的一個官方數字\n87612\t105491\t那如果說有現在盛行的電商的網購或者是我們自行平行輸入的民眾自己帶回來的台灣到底有多少這樣的數量不清楚那我要問的是什麼既然有這樣子的一個風險存在也曾經發生來下一頁\n107884\t124859\t行動電源的事故在航空釜山航空客機曾經發生過香港航空在飛行途中也曾經發生過那我們也看到在國內有台鐵有高鐵也有所以我們現在要請部長是\n125720\t153890\t要求在航空高鐵台鐵的三大的運具系統裡面這個是國人的安全最重要那如何保障那航空當然我們知道他們有國際公約所以呢航空做的是最高標準最嚴格的所以呢我們也看到在民航運輸裡面對於這個起火有納入他們的應變跟訓練項目但是當然我知道呢用民航的這個高規格國際的高規格可能跟高鐵\n154850\t170558\t台鐵跟路上的不是這麼樣的一個match適用但是我們也應該要注意到高鐵跟台鐵對於相關的這個行動電源可能自然可能起火可能造成的一個車廂內的一個這個恐慌那我們又該如何的應變部長這個你同意嘛對不對\n175720\t201099\t是相當同意感謝委員的垂詢針對這個議題其實最近大家都相當關注所以我們在民航系統各個航空公司現在在登機的時候針對行動電源都有新的規範新的規定那車廂上面在台鐵跟高鐵都發生過那我知道鐵道局其實都有要求每一個鐵路系統都要做防災尤其是火災方面的演練那台鐵跟高鐵其實都有做這方面的演練\n201559\t227746\t部長我就是要來跟你討論這件事我曾經跟運安會質詢運安會有給了我一些建議他們也會給高鐵跟台鐵一些建議當然如部長所說的可能局長也有要求高鐵確實有訂定火災一般性的應變程序問題是我調了一個資料的時候是在於因應不同樣態的火災的應變程序到底有沒有落實\n228986\t254372\t我覺得這是一點現在的樣態有很多不同的一個火災發生的原因那當然在車廂內我也肯定我也相信高鐵一定有這個嚴格的一個應變的一個措施跟演練但是還是發生了還是曾經發生了所以現在我們希望高鐵的新董事長上任我覺得安全的問題一定要注意那最重要的是高鐵\n255572\t272391\t的這個有沒有辦法針對他現在的一個應變措施在優化我覺得我給時間請董事長是不是把這個納入是在新型的車廂要進來了新型的車廂裡面到底有沒有相關的一個安全的應變措施的優化有嗎\n276549\t292222\t報告委員新型的車廂還沒有進來但是未來的部分當然要先來預作討論那剛剛委員其實有提醒到說火災一樣是火但是樣態可能不一樣所以我們的同仁要有那個知識足夠的知識知道說例如說離電池\n294003\t313084\t該怎麼處理離電池跟一般的火災其實真的相當的不同你可能用一般的滅火器無法來處理那該怎麼處理那重點我覺得第一重點是第一要務是除了處理那個火災以外第一要務應該是人員的疏散跟安全人員不要出事這個部分要先有這部分的能力\n313404\t340160\t因為我知道高鐵他行駛的速度相當快所以你他沒有辦法像一般譬如說我們的公車或者是台鐵他可以馬上停站那當然要有一定的規模以上的一個災害的樣態才會停車嘛那所以呢我只是提醒高鐵公司我們現在剛剛我聽到董事長在回答我們呢即將20年那我們要為未來的10年未來的20年還要再做更\n342862\t360994\t安全更專業更嚴格的自我要求來提供旅客安全嘛跟快速便利嘛所以這個是未來新型態的一個災害樣態我只是希望說不管是現在或是未來新型車廂進來這個整個包括部長你提示的這個\n362615\t365398\t火災怎麼應變我知道高鐵現在車廂裡面的這個這個叫什麼滅火器那個滅火器是複合型的任何包括離電池自然也可以適用的那未來的新型車廂是不是也是如此那這個其實是第一要務第二要務\n380675\t408107\t旅客的安全那怎麼樣的有秩序的一個疏散跟應變所以除了高鐵之外台鐵當然也是鐵道局管的嘛台鐵也是換了新董事長啊台鐵在行動電源的起火裡面也有兩起的案例囉那我們台鐵現在的列車的型號又比高鐵複雜高鐵呢可能比較一致性那台鐵它有很多不同的型號對不對那所以它的\n409587\t428413\t這個應變機制需要更周全部長同樣的我也希望新的董事長上任除了對於台鐵的這個營運那我希望對於安全專業應該要更能夠從民眾的角度旅客的角度來要維護安全第一嘛部長對不對\n429153\t452722\t是沒有錯安全絕對是第一要務這個部分我們會來請台鐵公司針對因為現在離電池的人越來越多行動電源的人越來越多所以這件事情可能未來可能還會發生那我們遇到的時候該怎麼應變我覺得台鐵公司跟高鐵公司都要做好萬全的準備尤其是我們同仁的訓練這個部分我們應該要專案下去處理我再跟部長講一件事\n453482\t471005\t高鐵是比較新發展的運具所以他的智慧系統OK大家肯定但是台鐵沒有台鐵區間車跟自強號跟新自強號新自強號是新型的列車所以如果一旦發生事故\n472226\t499299\t這個警示鈴的訊號可以直接連線列車長的他的那個運具上面可以自動連線他馬上就智慧系統啟動他看得到也知道事故發生在哪一個列車哪一個點可是呢除了新志強號之外區間車跟志強號是都沒有的喔他的警示鈴的設置系統是老的、古的他可能只有在列車長室才看得到可能是哪一個列車車廂\n500760\t527952\t出了事情其他呢如果列車長不在現場他就不知道那當然你會看到有的區間車呢他的警示鈴按下去之後呢是全系列的車廂都會廣播可是他廣播他也沒有告訴列車長說是在哪一個地方發生了事故我們台鐵的車廂是一點都不智慧化那在這個情況之下我們怎麼幫台鐵部長\n530202\t544846\t是 報告委員這個是舊車廂啦目前大部分都是舊車廂啦那當然一方面我們的這個列車長一定知道他的車廂目前的設計是這個樣子所以他當然會特別去追問他必須要一個一個詢對他必須要一個一個詢他一定知道現在的這個狀況所以他沒有辦法即時啦他要一個車廂一個車廂走一個車廂一個車廂損損到他才知道發生什麼事情在哪裡發生那他才能夠處理那所以一點都不即時\n560031\t573077\t那我們的舊車廂如果沒有要很短期時間之內汰換的話是不是有可能我們去研究一下有沒有什麼樣的即時的系統委員在提醒的這個我覺得非常值得去做研究非常值得去做因為我們已經在2023看到媒體的報導搭火車緊鄰從彰化翔到台中列車長都不知道那另外2024媒體報導這個當然說他的廁所的求助人是波兒哥倫敦橋\n589025\t608000\t重點不再是撥兒歌 重點是它是一個廣播系統廣播系統雖然讓旅客跟列車長知道但是呢 發生什麼事情 發生在哪裡列車長 也是要一樣一個一個選所以它沒有辦法即時處理喔那這個就是安全的問題這個是安全的問題跟應變效果應變有沒有即時 應變有沒有效率的問題喔這是安全 所以部長\n616227\t642074\t提醒我們高鐵台鐵都換新攏座我們希望安全的這一件事情第一個要科技化第二個我們希望他專業化第三個我們希望真的在人員的訓練上面應變措施等等都要及時更新跟得上時代的腳步啦好不好好謝謝謝謝委員部長那這樣子需要多久時間要台鐵研議你們研議大概要多少時間\n644355\t649590\t三個月的時間他們來研究兩個月啦 三個月太久了兩個月啦 好不好 兩個月好不好趕快來研究\n","txt":"好謝謝主席謝謝國城召委我們是不是先部長先喝口水慢慢來好我們請陳部長好請交通部陳部長\n那今天我們聚焦在台鐵跟高鐵那我要請教部長因為我一直很關心這個行動電源的安全問題那剛好我看到這個新聞那有系列的報導這個中國製的行動電源災情連環報那聽說這個安普瑞斯電芯是其中就是那個電池的問題裡面的一個零件是禍首\n這個因為這樣子所以中國製的這個行動電源現在有羅馬市跟安克已經相繼公告要收回回收那他們存在這個起火爆炸風險的這兩家的行動電源相當於全球2024出貨量的四分之一\n那我要請部長要重視這個問題是在於雖然我看到媒體上宣稱安克號召回收召回的70萬顆裡面在台灣涉及的數量不超過5500顆但是這個是由代理商的一個官方數字\n那如果說有現在盛行的電商的網購或者是我們自行平行輸入的民眾自己帶回來的台灣到底有多少這樣的數量不清楚那我要問的是什麼既然有這樣子的一個風險存在也曾經發生來下一頁\n行動電源的事故在航空釜山航空客機曾經發生過香港航空在飛行途中也曾經發生過那我們也看到在國內有台鐵有高鐵也有所以我們現在要請部長是\n要求在航空高鐵台鐵的三大的運具系統裡面這個是國人的安全最重要那如何保障那航空當然我們知道他們有國際公約所以呢航空做的是最高標準最嚴格的所以呢我們也看到在民航運輸裡面對於這個起火有納入他們的應變跟訓練項目但是當然我知道呢用民航的這個高規格國際的高規格可能跟高鐵\n台鐵跟路上的不是這麼樣的一個match適用但是我們也應該要注意到高鐵跟台鐵對於相關的這個行動電源可能自然可能起火可能造成的一個車廂內的一個這個恐慌那我們又該如何的應變部長這個你同意嘛對不對\n是相當同意感謝委員的垂詢針對這個議題其實最近大家都相當關注所以我們在民航系統各個航空公司現在在登機的時候針對行動電源都有新的規範新的規定那車廂上面在台鐵跟高鐵都發生過那我知道鐵道局其實都有要求每一個鐵路系統都要做防災尤其是火災方面的演練那台鐵跟高鐵其實都有做這方面的演練\n部長我就是要來跟你討論這件事我曾經跟運安會質詢運安會有給了我一些建議他們也會給高鐵跟台鐵一些建議當然如部長所說的可能局長也有要求高鐵確實有訂定火災一般性的應變程序問題是我調了一個資料的時候是在於因應不同樣態的火災的應變程序到底有沒有落實\n我覺得這是一點現在的樣態有很多不同的一個火災發生的原因那當然在車廂內我也肯定我也相信高鐵一定有這個嚴格的一個應變的一個措施跟演練但是還是發生了還是曾經發生了所以現在我們希望高鐵的新董事長上任我覺得安全的問題一定要注意那最重要的是高鐵\n的這個有沒有辦法針對他現在的一個應變措施在優化我覺得我給時間請董事長是不是把這個納入是在新型的車廂要進來了新型的車廂裡面到底有沒有相關的一個安全的應變措施的優化有嗎\n報告委員新型的車廂還沒有進來但是未來的部分當然要先來預作討論那剛剛委員其實有提醒到說火災一樣是火但是樣態可能不一樣所以我們的同仁要有那個知識足夠的知識知道說例如說離電池\n該怎麼處理離電池跟一般的火災其實真的相當的不同你可能用一般的滅火器無法來處理那該怎麼處理那重點我覺得第一重點是第一要務是除了處理那個火災以外第一要務應該是人員的疏散跟安全人員不要出事這個部分要先有這部分的能力\n因為我知道高鐵他行駛的速度相當快所以你他沒有辦法像一般譬如說我們的公車或者是台鐵他可以馬上停站那當然要有一定的規模以上的一個災害的樣態才會停車嘛那所以呢我只是提醒高鐵公司我們現在剛剛我聽到董事長在回答我們呢即將20年那我們要為未來的10年未來的20年還要再做更\n安全更專業更嚴格的自我要求來提供旅客安全嘛跟快速便利嘛所以這個是未來新型態的一個災害樣態我只是希望說不管是現在或是未來新型車廂進來這個整個包括部長你提示的這個\n火災怎麼應變我知道高鐵現在車廂裡面的這個這個叫什麼滅火器那個滅火器是複合型的任何包括離電池自然也可以適用的那未來的新型車廂是不是也是如此那這個其實是第一要務第二要務\n旅客的安全那怎麼樣的有秩序的一個疏散跟應變所以除了高鐵之外台鐵當然也是鐵道局管的嘛台鐵也是換了新董事長啊台鐵在行動電源的起火裡面也有兩起的案例囉那我們台鐵現在的列車的型號又比高鐵複雜高鐵呢可能比較一致性那台鐵它有很多不同的型號對不對那所以它的\n這個應變機制需要更周全部長同樣的我也希望新的董事長上任除了對於台鐵的這個營運那我希望對於安全專業應該要更能夠從民眾的角度旅客的角度來要維護安全第一嘛部長對不對\n是沒有錯安全絕對是第一要務這個部分我們會來請台鐵公司針對因為現在離電池的人越來越多行動電源的人越來越多所以這件事情可能未來可能還會發生那我們遇到的時候該怎麼應變我覺得台鐵公司跟高鐵公司都要做好萬全的準備尤其是我們同仁的訓練這個部分我們應該要專案下去處理我再跟部長講一件事\n高鐵是比較新發展的運具所以他的智慧系統OK大家肯定但是台鐵沒有台鐵區間車跟自強號跟新自強號新自強號是新型的列車所以如果一旦發生事故\n這個警示鈴的訊號可以直接連線列車長的他的那個運具上面可以自動連線他馬上就智慧系統啟動他看得到也知道事故發生在哪一個列車哪一個點可是呢除了新志強號之外區間車跟志強號是都沒有的喔他的警示鈴的設置系統是老的、古的他可能只有在列車長室才看得到可能是哪一個列車車廂\n出了事情其他呢如果列車長不在現場他就不知道那當然你會看到有的區間車呢他的警示鈴按下去之後呢是全系列的車廂都會廣播可是他廣播他也沒有告訴列車長說是在哪一個地方發生了事故我們台鐵的車廂是一點都不智慧化那在這個情況之下我們怎麼幫台鐵部長\n是 報告委員這個是舊車廂啦目前大部分都是舊車廂啦那當然一方面我們的這個列車長一定知道他的車廂目前的設計是這個樣子所以他當然會特別去追問他必須要一個一個詢對他必須要一個一個詢他一定知道現在的這個狀況所以他沒有辦法即時啦他要一個車廂一個車廂走一個車廂一個車廂損損到他才知道發生什麼事情在哪裡發生那他才能夠處理那所以一點都不即時\n那我們的舊車廂如果沒有要很短期時間之內汰換的話是不是有可能我們去研究一下有沒有什麼樣的即時的系統委員在提醒的這個我覺得非常值得去做研究非常值得去做因為我們已經在2023看到媒體的報導搭火車緊鄰從彰化翔到台中列車長都不知道那另外2024媒體報導這個當然說他的廁所的求助人是波兒哥倫敦橋\n重點不再是撥兒歌 重點是它是一個廣播系統廣播系統雖然讓旅客跟列車長知道但是呢 發生什麼事情 發生在哪裡列車長 也是要一樣一個一個選所以它沒有辦法即時處理喔那這個就是安全的問題這個是安全的問題跟應變效果應變有沒有即時 應變有沒有效率的問題喔這是安全 所以部長\n提醒我們高鐵台鐵都換新攏座我們希望安全的這一件事情第一個要科技化第二個我們希望他專業化第三個我們希望真的在人員的訓練上面應變措施等等都要及時更新跟得上時代的腳步啦好不好好謝謝謝謝委員部長那這樣子需要多久時間要台鐵研議你們研議大概要多少時間\n三個月的時間他們來研究兩個月啦 三個月太久了兩個月啦 好不好 兩個月好不好趕快來研究\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.352 --> 00:12.936\n好謝謝主席謝謝國城召委我們是不是先部長先喝口水慢慢來好我們請陳部長好請交通部陳部長\n\n00:16.482 --> 00:43.427\n那今天我們聚焦在台鐵跟高鐵那我要請教部長因為我一直很關心這個行動電源的安全問題那剛好我看到這個新聞那有系列的報導這個中國製的行動電源災情連環報那聽說這個安普瑞斯電芯是其中就是那個電池的問題裡面的一個零件是禍首\n\n00:46.318 --> 01:04.925\n這個因為這樣子所以中國製的這個行動電源現在有羅馬市跟安克已經相繼公告要收回回收那他們存在這個起火爆炸風險的這兩家的行動電源相當於全球2024出貨量的四分之一\n\n01:05.865 --> 01:26.792\n那我要請部長要重視這個問題是在於雖然我看到媒體上宣稱安克號召回收召回的70萬顆裡面在台灣涉及的數量不超過5500顆但是這個是由代理商的一個官方數字\n\n01:27.612 --> 01:45.491\n那如果說有現在盛行的電商的網購或者是我們自行平行輸入的民眾自己帶回來的台灣到底有多少這樣的數量不清楚那我要問的是什麼既然有這樣子的一個風險存在也曾經發生來下一頁\n\n01:47.884 --> 02:04.859\n行動電源的事故在航空釜山航空客機曾經發生過香港航空在飛行途中也曾經發生過那我們也看到在國內有台鐵有高鐵也有所以我們現在要請部長是\n\n02:05.720 --> 02:33.890\n要求在航空高鐵台鐵的三大的運具系統裡面這個是國人的安全最重要那如何保障那航空當然我們知道他們有國際公約所以呢航空做的是最高標準最嚴格的所以呢我們也看到在民航運輸裡面對於這個起火有納入他們的應變跟訓練項目但是當然我知道呢用民航的這個高規格國際的高規格可能跟高鐵\n\n02:34.850 --> 02:50.558\n台鐵跟路上的不是這麼樣的一個match適用但是我們也應該要注意到高鐵跟台鐵對於相關的這個行動電源可能自然可能起火可能造成的一個車廂內的一個這個恐慌那我們又該如何的應變部長這個你同意嘛對不對\n\n02:55.720 --> 03:21.099\n是相當同意感謝委員的垂詢針對這個議題其實最近大家都相當關注所以我們在民航系統各個航空公司現在在登機的時候針對行動電源都有新的規範新的規定那車廂上面在台鐵跟高鐵都發生過那我知道鐵道局其實都有要求每一個鐵路系統都要做防災尤其是火災方面的演練那台鐵跟高鐵其實都有做這方面的演練\n\n03:21.559 --> 03:47.746\n部長我就是要來跟你討論這件事我曾經跟運安會質詢運安會有給了我一些建議他們也會給高鐵跟台鐵一些建議當然如部長所說的可能局長也有要求高鐵確實有訂定火災一般性的應變程序問題是我調了一個資料的時候是在於因應不同樣態的火災的應變程序到底有沒有落實\n\n03:48.986 --> 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