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00:02:01,082\n這個一笑大方這個其實在國際上我看這被人家看笑話了但是我還是要請教代理民主黨就是說可以請你跟國人來做一個說明為什麼這項國際組織的一個參與它的意義你們覺得非常重大然後這一切的論壇提升台灣的國際能見度或者人權外交跟監察治理的改革裡面到底會有什麼樣的一個幫助請你先說明\n\n7\n00:02:02,773 --> 00:02:16,738\n其實就是監察院有這樣子的一個國際監察組織的參與是不容易的是不容易的那他這個組織最重要的重點就是在監察跟人權還有善治有幾個這樣子的重點\n\n8\n00:02:17,478 --> 00:02:39,252\n那我們這次舉辦這個年會呢會會邀請APRIL的會員IOI的會員而且我們這次的主題呢其實是focus在監察室的一個任務那跟人權有關然後另外就是我們會討論到國家反酷刑就是酷刑防治的一個相關的機制NPM那這個也是一個重要人權公約應該要鑑定的相關的\n\n9\n00:02:43,694 --> 00:02:58,359\n然後另外一個主題是有關於AI跟人權還有民主法治等多元的議題這個其實是能夠這個議題非常的有意義而且能夠增加我們國家的國際能見度然後對於整個監察治理透過參與會員持續的參與會員持續的參與重要的相關的活動能夠提升國家的能見度\n\n10\n00:03:13,364 --> 00:03:32,915\n讓大家都看得到中華民國有監察組織這樣子的一個機構堂堂的一個憲政機關監察院連這樣的一個業務費舉辦的一個國際的活動也被立法院把這個預算給砍掉我看你們的一個回應軟趴趴\n\n11\n00:03:34,363 --> 00:03:54,577\n我猜你也算個贏,這個我覺得是非常可惜的一個地方你目前在國際不承認,我們中華民國的情況之下任何有機會走出去,其實這會是國人的一個共識今天如果台灣沒有辦法參與,或者舉辦這樣的一個國際的活動\n\n12\n00:03:57,074 --> 00:04:08,017\n誰最開心中國最開心啊中國最開心啊最開心的就是中國所以其實呢今天這樣的一個今天這個整個預算的一個追蹤二倍我倒認為啊國民黨跟台灣民眾黨沒那麼好打你知道嗎沒那麼好打我又靜靜地看我又看這一筆的預算他們到底會不會繼續來反對可以反對多久\n\n13\n00:04:26,755 --> 00:04:54,598\n我看過去民主進步黨我們也一直主張要把監察院給廢掉那我現在看到台灣民眾黨跟中國國民黨的一些立法委員啊他們也去連署啦他們說要把整個監察院把它給廢掉了我們去回顧一下2015年啊就是因為中國國民黨堅持綁不在籍投票才會破局否則2015年啊\n\n14\n00:04:57,237 --> 00:05:24,358\n廢掉監察院就會成案了2022年那是因為中國國民黨全面去杯葛修建委員會到最後只送出18歲的一個公民權沒有辦法去處理五權體制的一個改革這個接下來如果說監察院如果說退場了人權委員會到底何去何從這個是我比較關注的一個地方就是說監察院\n\n15\n00:05:25,197 --> 00:05:27,919\n廢掉那廢掉就廢掉嘛廢掉有什麼關係反正大家都覺得這個院那民眾也可能覺得監察院你也不幹了啦但是這個人權委員會我就覺得有這個必要啦所以我倒想就這個機會來救教我們代理秘書長就是說如果監察院退場以後\n\n16\n00:05:46,573 --> 00:05:58,163\n那你人權委員會你從2020年設立到現在你扮演的諸多的一個角色我們也提供聯合國國際專家審查我國的在地國際的一個報告的一個重要的一個依據那如果廢掉了你有要看法嗎\n\n17\n00:06:03,107 --> 00:06:28,924\n2020年國家人權委員會在監察院設置其實在設置之前就有非常多的討論是不是放在總統府行政院甚至立法院或最後是選定在監察院其實它最重要的重點就是監察院能夠獨立然後能夠辦理好人權監督的一個角色那其實國家人權委員會在這幾年來也有非常多的\n\n18\n00:06:29,244 --> 00:06:53,017\n好的表現除了剛剛委員說的獨立評估意見以外還有非常多的專案報告系統性訪查等等的還有推廣人權教育都是非常重要的一個成果跟成就那如果監察院如果因修憲的程序而廢除的話其實不只是國家人權委員會還有很多法定的職權比如說像\n\n19\n00:06:54,117 --> 00:07:20,957\n陽光四法就是公職人才申報法然後利益衝突政治獻金等等的還有才通過的公益階幣者保護法都是把監察院放得非常重要的角色像這樣子的一個如果監察院不存在那如何來做配置或者是配套的確是要請國人非常去注意的去研究是會有非常重大的影響\n\n20\n00:07:21,798 --> 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其實\n62886\t73636\t國人的期待我相信共識也是我們整個台灣走得出去啊這是國人的一個期待啦國人的一個期待一月份啊\n74861\t93611\t那個時候可能藍白的委員心情不好預算拿起來就給你這樣砍這種舉辦國際年會的一個經費你說在九月份就要舉辦了嗎現在都已經快七月了我們還必須要用最佳預算的一個方式這個是\n94891\t121082\t這個一笑大方這個其實在國際上我看這被人家看笑話了但是我還是要請教代理民主黨就是說可以請你跟國人來做一個說明為什麼這項國際組織的一個參與它的意義你們覺得非常重大然後這一切的論壇提升台灣的國際能見度或者人權外交跟監察治理的改革裡面到底會有什麼樣的一個幫助請你先說明\n122773\t136738\t其實就是監察院有這樣子的一個國際監察組織的參與是不容易的是不容易的那他這個組織最重要的重點就是在監察跟人權還有善治有幾個這樣子的重點\n137478\t159252\t那我們這次舉辦這個年會呢會會邀請APRIL的會員IOI的會員而且我們這次的主題呢其實是focus在監察室的一個任務那跟人權有關然後另外就是我們會討論到國家反酷刑就是酷刑防治的一個相關的機制NPM那這個也是一個重要人權公約應該要鑑定的相關的\n163694\t178359\t然後另外一個主題是有關於AI跟人權還有民主法治等多元的議題這個其實是能夠這個議題非常的有意義而且能夠增加我們國家的國際能見度然後對於整個監察治理透過參與會員持續的參與會員持續的參與重要的相關的活動能夠提升國家的能見度\n193364\t212915\t讓大家都看得到中華民國有監察組織這樣子的一個機構堂堂的一個憲政機關監察院連這樣的一個業務費舉辦的一個國際的活動也被立法院把這個預算給砍掉我看你們的一個回應 軟趴趴\n214363\t234577\t我猜你也算個贏,這個我覺得是非常可惜的一個地方你目前在國際不承認,我們中華民國的情況之下任何有機會走出去,其實這會是國人的一個共識今天如果台灣沒有辦法參與,或者舉辦這樣的一個國際的活動\n237074\t248017\t誰最開心 中國最開心啊 中國最開心啊最開心的就是中國所以其實呢 今天這樣的一個 今天這個整個預算的一個追蹤 二倍我倒認為啊 國民黨跟台灣民眾黨沒那麼好打 你知道嗎 沒那麼好打我又靜靜地看 我又看這一筆的預算他們到底會不會繼續來反對 可以反對多久\n266755\t294598\t我看過去民主進步黨我們也一直主張要把監察院給廢掉那我現在看到台灣民眾黨跟中國國民黨的一些立法委員啊他們也去連署啦他們說要把整個監察院把它給廢掉了我們去回顧一下2015年啊就是因為中國國民黨堅持綁不在籍投票才會破局否則2015年啊\n297237\t324358\t廢掉監察院就會成案了2022年那是因為中國國民黨全面去杯葛修建委員會到最後只送出18歲的一個公民權沒有辦法去處理五權體制的一個改革這個接下來如果說監察院如果說退場了人權委員會到底何去何從這個是我比較關注的一個地方就是說監察院\n325197\t327919\t廢掉 那廢掉就廢掉嘛廢掉有什麼關係反正大家都覺得這個院那民眾也可能覺得監察院你也不幹了啦但是這個人權委員會我就覺得有這個必要啦所以我倒想就這個機會來救教我們代理秘書長就是說如果監察院退場以後\n346573\t358163\t那你人權委員會你從2020年設立到現在你扮演的諸多的一個角色我們也提供聯合國國際專家審查我國的在地國際的一個報告的一個重要的一個依據那如果廢掉了 你有要看法嗎\n363107\t388924\t2020年國家人權委員會在監察院設置其實在設置之前就有非常多的討論是不是放在總統府行政院甚至立法院或最後是選定在監察院其實它最重要的重點就是監察院能夠獨立然後能夠辦理好人權監督的一個角色那其實國家人權委員會在這幾年來也有非常多的\n389244\t413017\t好的表現除了剛剛委員說的獨立評估意見以外還有非常多的專案報告系統性訪查等等的還有推廣人權教育都是非常重要的一個成果跟成就那如果監察院如果因修憲的程序而廢除的話其實不只是國家人權委員會還有很多法定的職權比如說像\n414117\t440957\t陽光四法就是公職人才申報法然後利益衝突政治獻金等等的還有才通過的公益階幣者保護法都是把監察院放得非常重要的角色像這樣子的一個如果監察院不存在那如何來做配置或者是配套的確是要請國人非常去注意的去研究是會有非常重大的影響\n441798\t456171\t我國長期受到中國這樣在國際上的一個打壓那這一次啊我們有這個機會來舉辦這樣的一個年會啊其實本身就一個深具一個指標性的一個意義啊尤其是我們可以這樣的參與的國際上的一個組織然後呢讓他過去實質交流經驗超過了30年\n462236\t485257\t可以讓他繼續來做一個延續啦我看到2024年透明度透明國際公布的一個全球青年印象指數裡面我們台灣排名也上升到25名創下歷年來最佳的一個表現也就顯示了台灣聯能治理能力逐步獲得國際上的一個認可當然這未必跟監察院有關係那是整個國家的一個治理\n485757\t508856\t但是我們也真的要期許我特別在這邊提醒在野黨的好朋友不論國內的政爭我們如何的激烈台灣國際上的參與這個部分其實都要凝聚更高國人的共識國人也大部分都期待所以我今天倒是要眼睜睜的來看我要很仔細的來看\n511438\t521165\t看在野黨今天對這一筆預算你們的態度到底是怎麼樣我們也期待啊 期子兼裁員來好好準備了啦 我大膽給斷啦國民黨在這條裡面啊 沒那麼大膽啦 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝莊瑞雄委員接著我們請顏寬恆委員質詢\n","txt":"有請我們監察院代理秘書長王貞華代理秘書長請代理秘書長我也一起來就好秘書長我來請教今天我們提到的我看你整個報告裡面是國際監察組織成立這50年裡面現有111個國家你到底多少的會員機關加入\n我看你剛提到的是257你報告是怎麼寫259\n會員有時候是會有一些波動的那我們的資料是257兩天就波動了 不會吧 對到底是257還是259目前 截至目前是259那因為會員有時候時間會退有一些原因有可能加入或退出或者是他名稱更改所以最近到目前截至為止的話是多少是259 對259 這樣剛才代理秘書可能是口誤啦那我想來請教啦 其實\n國人的期待我相信共識也是我們整個台灣走得出去啊這是國人的一個期待啦國人的一個期待一月份啊\n那個時候可能藍白的委員心情不好預算拿起來就給你這樣砍這種舉辦國際年會的一個經費你說在九月份就要舉辦了嗎現在都已經快七月了我們還必須要用最佳預算的一個方式這個是\n這個一笑大方這個其實在國際上我看這被人家看笑話了但是我還是要請教代理民主黨就是說可以請你跟國人來做一個說明為什麼這項國際組織的一個參與它的意義你們覺得非常重大然後這一切的論壇提升台灣的國際能見度或者人權外交跟監察治理的改革裡面到底會有什麼樣的一個幫助請你先說明\n其實就是監察院有這樣子的一個國際監察組織的參與是不容易的是不容易的那他這個組織最重要的重點就是在監察跟人權還有善治有幾個這樣子的重點\n那我們這次舉辦這個年會呢會會邀請APRIL的會員IOI的會員而且我們這次的主題呢其實是focus在監察室的一個任務那跟人權有關然後另外就是我們會討論到國家反酷刑就是酷刑防治的一個相關的機制NPM那這個也是一個重要人權公約應該要鑑定的相關的\n然後另外一個主題是有關於AI跟人權還有民主法治等多元的議題這個其實是能夠這個議題非常的有意義而且能夠增加我們國家的國際能見度然後對於整個監察治理透過參與會員持續的參與會員持續的參與重要的相關的活動能夠提升國家的能見度\n讓大家都看得到中華民國有監察組織這樣子的一個機構堂堂的一個憲政機關監察院連這樣的一個業務費舉辦的一個國際的活動也被立法院把這個預算給砍掉我看你們的一個回應 軟趴趴\n我猜你也算個贏,這個我覺得是非常可惜的一個地方你目前在國際不承認,我們中華民國的情況之下任何有機會走出去,其實這會是國人的一個共識今天如果台灣沒有辦法參與,或者舉辦這樣的一個國際的活動\n誰最開心 中國最開心啊 中國最開心啊最開心的就是中國所以其實呢 今天這樣的一個 今天這個整個預算的一個追蹤 二倍我倒認為啊 國民黨跟台灣民眾黨沒那麼好打 你知道嗎 沒那麼好打我又靜靜地看 我又看這一筆的預算他們到底會不會繼續來反對 可以反對多久\n我看過去民主進步黨我們也一直主張要把監察院給廢掉那我現在看到台灣民眾黨跟中國國民黨的一些立法委員啊他們也去連署啦他們說要把整個監察院把它給廢掉了我們去回顧一下2015年啊就是因為中國國民黨堅持綁不在籍投票才會破局否則2015年啊\n廢掉監察院就會成案了2022年那是因為中國國民黨全面去杯葛修建委員會到最後只送出18歲的一個公民權沒有辦法去處理五權體制的一個改革這個接下來如果說監察院如果說退場了人權委員會到底何去何從這個是我比較關注的一個地方就是說監察院\n廢掉 那廢掉就廢掉嘛廢掉有什麼關係反正大家都覺得這個院那民眾也可能覺得監察院你也不幹了啦但是這個人權委員會我就覺得有這個必要啦所以我倒想就這個機會來救教我們代理秘書長就是說如果監察院退場以後\n那你人權委員會你從2020年設立到現在你扮演的諸多的一個角色我們也提供聯合國國際專家審查我國的在地國際的一個報告的一個重要的一個依據那如果廢掉了 你有要看法嗎\n2020年國家人權委員會在監察院設置其實在設置之前就有非常多的討論是不是放在總統府行政院甚至立法院或最後是選定在監察院其實它最重要的重點就是監察院能夠獨立然後能夠辦理好人權監督的一個角色那其實國家人權委員會在這幾年來也有非常多的\n好的表現除了剛剛委員說的獨立評估意見以外還有非常多的專案報告系統性訪查等等的還有推廣人權教育都是非常重要的一個成果跟成就那如果監察院如果因修憲的程序而廢除的話其實不只是國家人權委員會還有很多法定的職權比如說像\n陽光四法就是公職人才申報法然後利益衝突政治獻金等等的還有才通過的公益階幣者保護法都是把監察院放得非常重要的角色像這樣子的一個如果監察院不存在那如何來做配置或者是配套的確是要請國人非常去注意的去研究是會有非常重大的影響\n我國長期受到中國這樣在國際上的一個打壓那這一次啊我們有這個機會來舉辦這樣的一個年會啊其實本身就一個深具一個指標性的一個意義啊尤其是我們可以這樣的參與的國際上的一個組織然後呢讓他過去實質交流經驗超過了30年\n可以讓他繼續來做一個延續啦我看到2024年透明度透明國際公布的一個全球青年印象指數裡面我們台灣排名也上升到25名創下歷年來最佳的一個表現也就顯示了台灣聯能治理能力逐步獲得國際上的一個認可當然這未必跟監察院有關係那是整個國家的一個治理\n但是我們也真的要期許我特別在這邊提醒在野黨的好朋友不論國內的政爭我們如何的激烈台灣國際上的參與這個部分其實都要凝聚更高國人的共識國人也大部分都期待所以我今天倒是要眼睜睜的來看我要很仔細的來看\n看在野黨今天對這一筆預算你們的態度到底是怎麼樣我們也期待啊 期子兼裁員來好好準備了啦 我大膽給斷啦國民黨在這條裡面啊 沒那麼大膽啦 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝莊瑞雄委員接著我們請顏寬恆委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.269 --> 00:17.041\n有請我們監察院代理秘書長王貞華代理秘書長請代理秘書長我也一起來就好秘書長我來請教今天我們提到的我看你整個報告裡面是國際監察組織成立這50年裡面現有111個國家你到底多少的會員機關加入\n\n00:24.963 --> 00:26.149\n我看你剛提到的是257你報告是怎麼寫259\n\n00:33.387 --> 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