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00:00:45,884\n這是監察院參加國際組織它主要是你看2025年對不對第37屆紐澳及太平洋地區監察史年會計人權國際研討會這不是跟人權有關嗎是這個議題不是討論這個嗎議題裡面有牽涉到人權對嘛所以這是我們會議的名稱是這樣對那會議名稱就是有相關的嘛跟人權有相關的嘛是那監察院的人權委員會有這個單位對吧\n\n3\n00:00:49,731 --> 00:01:11,781\n檢察院在109年8月1號有國家人權委員會的証券他的這個領導就是他的這個是誰啊他的主任委員是本院的院長主任委員是院長本院的院長是那院長不是身體不舒服嗎那這個要怎麼開啊你們有在開嗎\n\n4\n00:01:13,069 --> 00:01:39,736\n我們都有正常的開會除了主任委員還有其他什麼人員總共有十位委員每年有十位委員然後有七位是你們的國家人權委員會除了院長以外還有多少人呢還有就是有十位總共還有其他十位就對了所以有沒有主任委員沒差就對了沒有影響報告委員還有副主任委員還有其他監察委員副主任委員是誰呢這一年度是王宥林委員\n\n5\n00:01:40,815 --> 00:01:58,951\n王委員是副主任委員是的OK那秘書長有沒有擔任什麼職位嗎在這個人權委員會裡沒有沒有齁是列席人員所以監察院現在只有副院長嘛齁院長休息很久了齁身體不舒服然後秘書長你也是代理的嘛是所以對你們的折騰運作有什麼影響嗎\n\n6\n00:02:01,367 --> 00:02:14,702\n我們副院長有對外有說明過在這樣的情況之下監察權還是要落實的執行然後徹底的對外對啦要執行啦但是也沒院長也沒差啊你要開這個國際人權這個到時候誰要來主持啊我們的院長也是我們人權委會主\n\n7\n00:02:19,026 --> 00:02:35,493\n的這個主任委員都不在啊來我想請問一下你們一直要開這個國際的人權會議我們在主辦單位我理解啦我們當然也是歡迎世界各地來開這個彰顯這個但是除了跟世界各地這樣交流以外我想了解一下你們這個人權委員會有一個系統性的調查有一個作業程序對吧\n\n8\n00:02:37,934 --> 00:02:45,275\n112年的時候我們在總預算裡頭做一個決議事項您看一下喔這個我螢幕上有喔112年監察院預算人權業務裡頭編了一億多嘛那時候我們有做一個決議喔對於金門過往遭軍方強徵土地事後卻無法還第一名這相關事件監察院人權委員會應該在委員會提案就本案進行系統性的調查然後後面你看喔你們系統性調查喔當然你們有一些議題選定啊派誰去啊調查訪問啊好已經兩年了\n\n9\n00:03:06,039 --> 00:03:10,843\n現在進行到哪一步你這個作業程序的九步裡頭走到哪一步我會請國家安全委員會執行秘書來說明\n\n10\n00:03:17,155 --> 00:03:32,403\n謝謝委員有關委員垂詢的有關這個金門的這個過往遭軍方還有政府強徵土地這個案子那這個案子我們很關心所以在112年的1月16號那人權會這邊有做一個正式的決議就是針對這個委員所垂詢的這個案件那我們就有講到說因為它會涉及到公有的這個就是財產權的保障還有土地正義的問題所以呢這個案子會納入到我們未來土地正義系統性發展\n\n11\n00:03:46,810 --> 00:03:54,517\n那現在是114年嘛那是112年的決定嘛現在就是以前的未來那現在進度到哪裡人權委員會對於這個土地正義進度到哪裡是謝謝那委員跟您報告就是後來113年我們就起了一個委託研究案那就是盤整整個國內我知道你趕快一個時間請問這個程序你走到哪裡了對那因為114年其實我們本來也是要啟動一個就是針對這部分要做系統性的一個調查案\n\n12\n00:04:15,934 --> 00:04:42,450\n你們走到哪裡啊?都沒有動是不是?因為我們的114年的預算後來就是被刪掉了那113咧?113就是我們齊了這個113我們就做了委託研究案然後已經對外公佈委託研究案的結果所以來你給我一個完整的書面答覆我表示都沒有在做事嘛因為我們時間結束了我們委託研究案已經完畢了所以你告訴我你的這個系統性調查走到哪裡喔?書面報告給我喔來書面報告給我喔因為我還要問別的問題啊\n\n13\n00:04:44,691 --> 00:05:13,786\n還有這個有兩位監委賴貞昌跟敏玉榮到金門巡查有很多土地案件金門的一些建設經費自帶水跟大橋的事情那後期的有一些定期的公開好像都沒有很多民眾澄清事件帶回去以後都沒有回來啊這個部分也是不是你們是不是對我們金門縣政府或是我們金門縣的民眾的澄清案件都不搭那個跟委員說明其實就是因為監察院監察院的調查巡查費用是完全被刪除不是今年嘛刪除是\n\n14\n00:05:16,490 --> 00:05:24,905\n去年去年去年1.2.1.3那個我說不是今年的事情我們就看你們以前執行怎麼樣因為監察人常常去嘛\n\n15\n00:05:26,151 --> 00:05:37,360\n你不要跟我講就是你們做得不夠好我們才會去刪預算啊如果做得很好當然我們希望趕快做啊剛剛我跟你說那個順序都沒有告訴我做到哪裡啊反正只想開會嘛跟國際人士開會啊對不對跟國家像花錢請世界各地人來開會好事不是不好問題你們該做的事情沒有做啊來主計總數來因為現在16秒停一下喔15秒\n\n16\n00:05:50,877 --> 00:06:05,844\n這個我要問的是事實上剛好看其他委員有問過了就是這個有關法律問題預算法第二水條第二項這個如果要用這個第二頁備金第70條也有說我看剛剛也有回答林德夫委員但是我看起來也是不符合要動用的這個條款啊\n\n17\n00:06:06,912 --> 00:06:35,897\n就是70條預算法第70條第一項有三款理由要動用這個第二倍均啊我們看這個監察院這個會議並沒有符合任何一款啊所以我們贏的是22條沒錯22條是說經立法院同意這個我也知道這一條但在前提是你要先符合資格才可以送來立法院經立法院同意啊那是成就的條件立法院成就條件是22條沒錯如果立法院同意就過了嘛問題是怎麼樣可以進入二倍均的使用有這三項啊原列計畫啊\n\n18\n00:06:37,558 --> 00:06:54,635\n原列計劃事實需要不足的時候原列計劃增加業務沒有嘛沒有增加業務正式需要必須臨時也不是臨時因為早就略了被刪除而已原列計劃因事實需要奉主修訂也沒有你要先符合70條才可以去用20就是你要先符合資格嘛資格是70條然後才去做22條的啊\n\n19\n00:06:57,738 --> 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00:45.884\n這是監察院參加國際組織它主要是你看2025年對不對第37屆紐澳及太平洋地區監察史年會計人權國際研討會這不是跟人權有關嗎是這個議題不是討論這個嗎議題裡面有牽涉到人權對嘛所以這是我們會議的名稱是這樣對那會議名稱就是有相關的嘛跟人權有相關的嘛是那監察院的人權委員會有這個單位對吧\n\n00:49.731 --> 01:11.781\n檢察院在109年8月1號有國家人權委員會的証券他的這個領導就是他的這個是誰啊他的主任委員是本院的院長主任委員是院長本院的院長是那院長不是身體不舒服嗎那這個要怎麼開啊你們有在開嗎\n\n01:13.069 --> 01:39.736\n我們都有正常的開會除了主任委員還有其他什麼人員總共有十位委員每年有十位委員然後有七位是你們的國家人權委員會除了院長以外還有多少人呢還有就是有十位總共還有其他十位就對了所以有沒有主任委員沒差就對了沒有影響報告委員還有副主任委員還有其他監察委員副主任委員是誰呢這一年度是王宥林委員\n\n01:40.815 --> 01:58.951\n王委員是副主任委員是的OK那秘書長有沒有擔任什麼職位嗎在這個人權委員會裡沒有沒有齁是列席人員所以監察院現在只有副院長嘛齁院長休息很久了齁身體不舒服然後秘書長你也是代理的嘛是所以對你們的折騰運作有什麼影響嗎\n\n02:01.367 --> 02:14.702\n我們副院長有對外有說明過在這樣的情況之下監察權還是要落實的執行然後徹底的對外對啦要執行啦但是也沒院長也沒差啊你要開這個國際人權這個到時候誰要來主持啊我們的院長也是我們人權委會主\n\n02:19.026 --> 02:35.493\n的這個主任委員都不在啊來我想請問一下你們一直要開這個國際的人權會議我們在主辦單位我理解啦我們當然也是歡迎世界各地來開這個彰顯這個但是除了跟世界各地這樣交流以外我想了解一下你們這個人權委員會有一個系統性的調查有一個作業程序對吧\n\n02:37.934 --> 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