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00:02:09,126\n你身上如果每個月只有賺三萬塊你可能就會想辦法下半年經濟景氣不好我不要花那麼多我除了基本的我的生活必須品重我不敢額外消費我不敢出國玩這兩件事情我想你大概能夠認同就是大環境上如果國際上外商評估我們的全球經濟不景氣甚至全球是會掉1.3%台灣掉25%這是美商的數據\n\n7\n00:02:13,568 --> 00:02:37,583\n那台灣國人國泰金控調查國人對於這個今年的信心指數大概都認為會低於3%在個人那個人如果對於經濟景氣不信心的話那當然對台灣整體環境來講企業沒有信心不敢投資個人沒有信心不敢消費那個對於整體台灣大環境的景氣那就是雙殺您了解我的意思嗎\n\n8\n00:02:38,583 --> 00:02:59,836\n企業不敢投資那我就回過頭來問您這不是我說的是因為這是有數據這是有美商的數據鄧白氏的企業調查數據我拿這兩個信心指數來跟您做回應當然我們看到上半年度我們的CPI是控制得還不錯但是我講的是接下來我們第三季第四季\n\n9\n00:03:00,876 --> 00:03:21,482\n國際的環境對於台灣無論是關稅大環境到底對於我們會有什麼樣的影響那我就會過頭來請問副主席長你認為今年我們到底能不能夠保三能不能夠保三你只要回應我這件事因為我們今天時間不多我們對保三保有信心\n\n10\n00:03:22,662 --> 00:03:48,500\n你有信心因為基本上就是說這個對等關稅因為他剛開始這個32%對大家造成一個疑慮但是我們慢慢可以觀察到這個對等關稅他有一個緩衝期而且這個比例也不必然會那麼高所以你還是有信心那接下來你有信心那我們還有沒有評估未來會有哪些變數\n\n11\n00:03:49,821 --> 00:03:49,981\n會對於寶三有影響衝擊?\n\n12\n00:04:20,241 --> 00:04:48,163\n所以夫人你有沒有去評估過接下來有哪些變數會讓我們沒有辦法保三有沒有去算過以前都有評估過啊以前朱澤民都常常對於包括以前惡霧戰爭的時候朱澤民都有去評估過啊就是我們認為有保三的這個信心主要是基於就是說這一次的以一戰爭這個油價的上漲並沒有有我們原來預期的這麼高就是它並沒有漲到今年一月的高點它就往下調\n\n13\n00:04:48,763 --> 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