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00:00:56,268\n所以它是民意機關它是民選而且不管是直接選舉或間接選舉它都是一個所謂的政權機關但經過修憲之後現在是一個治權機關也就是行政機關監督行政機關這個體制不管怎麼樣它就是現實但是我看到的是MIRROR在104年跟周陽山教授曾經寫過一篇文章你還記得嗎\n\n3\n00:00:57,829 --> 00:01:23,583\n整個的過程你當時說監察權發展到現在碰到很多制度性跟法制面亟待解決的問題首先就是因為監察委員改成非民選之後拿掉了所謂的言論免責權因為沒有言論免責權所以就不敢公開所有的會議現在立法院在討論的叫做法庭直播\n\n4\n00:01:25,548 --> 00:01:46,602\n國會直播已經在立法院實現了所以因為立法委員有相關的權力保障有言論免責權所以國會直播不是問題我們現在連協商都直播了我想問問米處長在你原來的立場裡面認為說取消言論免責權造成監察委員沒有辦法\n\n5\n00:01:47,943 --> 00:02:12,291\n暢所欲言所以必須要用密件來處理相關的案件你的意見是什麼你的意見是這個對監察權的行使是有問題的對吧是的這是我跟周老師一起寫的114年那因為我常年在監察院服務那其實我也看也是看過了這整個從一介針耳一直到現在\n\n6\n00:02:13,331 --> 00:02:41,047\n那其實監察權所以監察權到現在為止其實還是暗砍在秘密會議裡面我在寫的時候當時呢是有關於彈劾權的審查是還是不記名的無記名無記名的所以可以保護相關的言論我現在要講的是我今天要講的是現在大家都要討論法庭要不要直播所有個人隱私啊所有相關的這些問題啊我現在說的是\n\n7\n00:02:42,188 --> 00:02:50,609\n中華民國監察院在彈劾公務人員有違法失職的情況下他有具有100%的公益性你同意嗎\n\n8\n00:02:52,235 --> 00:03:16,480\n當然是跟公益有關沒錯也就是說到底有沒有個人隱私到底有沒有所謂的公益性公益的必要性法庭職位有沒有這些可以討論但是監察委員在彈劾一個不適任或者是違法失職的公務員的時候他具有百分之一百的公益性這個這一點我認為真的該公開的應該是監察院的彈劾過程甚至最後到\n\n9\n00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:23,785\n職務法庭去所謂的包括法官檢察官這些相關的程序反而更應該公開\n\n10\n00:03:25,491 --> 00:03:49,642\n在你的立場裡面這個應該也是你會同意的吧對就是說有關於在職務法庭或者是懲戒法院的那部分沒錯如果法庭直播大家有爭議的話反而是公務員彈劾的這些相關的程序應該優先直播這是我認為至少它具有百分之百的公義性另外我想問你你去年去\n\n11\n00:03:50,888 --> 00:04:17,757\n日本考察你也寫了一份考察報告我們很認真的看完了裡面說101年7月6號到113年9月30監察院在12年間總共彈劾了34個法官34個法官這個過程職務法庭判決免除法官職務的喪失公務員任用資格有一個撤職三個免除法官職務轉任法官以外職務有七個\n\n12\n00:04:19,302 --> 00:04:37,898\n這是一個不適任法官我們國家的結果但是我要問的秘書長是最近我們看到很多媒體大幅報導惡劣的檢察官製造證據入人於罪這些狀況請問你們這幾年彈劾了多少個檢察官你不知道最後不給我但也有吧有有的好12年34個法官很驚人\n\n13\n00:04:49,074 --> 00:05:06,394\n現在的問題就是監察委員是不是有自請調查的主動權依照監察法施行細則第二四條是現在有沒有人針對這些媒體大幅報導妨害違反司法偵查不公開還有所謂的製造假證據有沒有監察委員自請調查\n\n14\n00:05:08,069 --> 00:05:27,079\n有關於偵查不公開的這個issue有沒有監察委員自請調查過現在監察就是有關於偵查不公開其實有多數的調查案我記得的話應該是有九個最近的報導有沒有人申請自請調查目前沒有這些要人檢舉你們才受理是嗎\n\n15\n00:05:29,411 --> 00:05:56,784\n監察院有主動調查權監察院如果剛講的他以前是國會所以他言論免責權然後他應該受到程序保障但是現在有這麼多媒體大幅報導的以前監察委員都會拿過來自己寫一個我要調查到今天為止這麼多報導司法官相關的所謂的他的行為不適當或違法的情況監察委員現在都不動了是嗎\n\n16\n00:05:58,629 --> 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它是民選而且不管是直接選舉或間接選舉它都是一個所謂的政權機關但經過修憲之後現在是一個治權機關也就是行政機關監督行政機關這個體制不管怎麼樣它就是現實但是我看到的是MIRROR在104年跟周陽山教授曾經寫過一篇文章你還記得嗎\n57829\t83583\t整個的過程你當時說監察權發展到現在碰到很多制度性跟法制面亟待解決的問題首先就是因為監察委員改成非民選之後拿掉了所謂的言論免責權因為沒有言論免責權所以就不敢公開所有的會議現在立法院在討論的叫做法庭直播\n85548\t106602\t國會直播已經在立法院實現了所以因為立法委員有相關的權力保障有言論免責權所以國會直播不是問題我們現在連協商都直播了我想問問米處長在你原來的立場裡面認為說取消言論免責權造成監察委員沒有辦法\n107943\t132291\t暢所欲言所以必須要用密件來處理相關的案件你的意見是什麼你的意見是這個對監察權的行使是有問題的對吧是的這是我跟周老師一起寫的114年那因為我常年在監察院服務那其實我也看也是看過了這整個從一介針耳一直到現在\n133331\t161047\t那其實監察權所以監察權到現在為止其實還是暗砍在秘密會議裡面我在寫的時候當時呢是有關於彈劾權的審查是還是不記名的無記名無記名的所以可以保護相關的言論我現在要講的是我今天要講的是現在大家都要討論法庭要不要直播所有個人隱私啊所有相關的這些問題啊我現在說的是\n162188\t170609\t中華民國監察院在彈劾公務人員有違法失職的情況下他有具有100%的公益性你同意嗎\n172235\t196480\t當然是跟公益有關 沒錯也就是說到底有沒有個人隱私到底有沒有所謂的公益性公益的必要性法庭職位有沒有這些可以討論但是監察委員在彈劾一個不適任或者是違法失職的公務員的時候他具有百分之一百的公益性這個這一點我認為真的該公開的應該是監察院的彈劾過程甚至最後到\n197240\t203785\t職務法庭去所謂的包括法官檢察官這些相關的程序反而更應該公開\n205491\t229642\t在你的立場裡面這個應該也是你會同意的吧對就是說有關於在職務法庭或者是懲戒法院的那部分沒錯如果法庭直播大家有爭議的話反而是公務員彈劾的這些相關的程序應該優先直播這是我認為至少它具有百分之百的公義性另外我想問你你去年去\n230888\t257757\t日本考察你也寫了一份考察報告我們很認真的看完了裡面說101年7月6號到113年9月30監察院在12年間總共彈劾了34個法官34個法官這個過程職務法庭判決免除法官職務的喪失公務員任用資格有一個撤職三個免除法官職務轉任法官以外職務有七個\n259302\t277898\t這是一個不適任法官我們國家的結果但是我要問的秘書長是最近我們看到很多媒體大幅報導惡劣的檢察官製造證據入人於罪這些狀況請問你們這幾年彈劾了多少個檢察官你不知道 最後不給我但也有吧 有 有的好 12年34個法官很驚人\n289074\t306394\t現在的問題就是監察委員是不是有自請調查的主動權依照監察法施行細則第二四條是現在有沒有人針對這些媒體大幅報導妨害違反司法偵查不公開還有所謂的製造假證據有沒有監察委員自請調查\n308069\t327079\t有關於偵查不公開的這個issue有沒有監察委員自請調查過 現在監察 就是有關於偵查不公開 其實有多數的調查案我記得的話應該是有九個最近的報導有沒有人申請自請調查目前沒有這些要人檢舉你們才受理 是嗎\n329411\t356784\t監察院有主動調查權監察院如果剛講的他以前是國會所以他言論免責權然後他應該受到程序保障但是現在有這麼多媒體大幅報導的以前監察委員都會拿過來自己寫一個我要調查到今天為止這麼多報導司法官相關的所謂的他的行為不適當或違法的情況監察委員現在都不動了是嗎\n358629\t373507\t就跟委員說明一下就是說在自動調查之前其實監察院依照人民訴訟處理法我要說的是秘書長如果監察院要繼續保持糾正糾舉彈劾都是監察委員的主要的權限我建議\n375337\t396096\t監察委員們現在就應該針對這個社會上發生的重大事件發現公務員有可能違法失職不要再發生謝怡蓉不要再發生陳忠彥這種事情好嗎如果看到這些人已經被指控媒體大幅的報導哪個惡檢那你至少要查一下還他清白也好啊\n396816\t413132\t現在是不動啊監察院是完全不動啊委員 我剛剛就是要說明 並不是不動我們會依照人民訴訟處理辦法先去發函了解 去蒐集資料因為在調查之前是要先蒐集資料蒐集資料可以啊 但是我的意思是說剛剛講\n415013\t443206\t監察院彈劾了34個法官值得肯定但是現在聽到這麼多我們希望如果真的要恢復監察院的公信力可能監察院要更主動一些尤其是剛剛講如果法庭要直播真正的職務法庭跟監察院彈劾的會議才真正應該開放好嗎謝謝好 謝謝黃珊珊委員好 謝謝戴祖密 謝謝好 接下來徐欣盈委員\n","txt":"委員好是民主黨我上一次在司法法治委員會有跟你溝通過其實憲法立憲以來監察權是中華民國獨步全球然後從三權分立變成五權分立現在在七次修憲之後其實也走回所謂的三權分立同樣的監察院當時是被定義為國會\n所以它是民意機關 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沒錯也就是說到底有沒有個人隱私到底有沒有所謂的公益性公益的必要性法庭職位有沒有這些可以討論但是監察委員在彈劾一個不適任或者是違法失職的公務員的時候他具有百分之一百的公益性這個這一點我認為真的該公開的應該是監察院的彈劾過程甚至最後到\n職務法庭去所謂的包括法官檢察官這些相關的程序反而更應該公開\n在你的立場裡面這個應該也是你會同意的吧對就是說有關於在職務法庭或者是懲戒法院的那部分沒錯如果法庭直播大家有爭議的話反而是公務員彈劾的這些相關的程序應該優先直播這是我認為至少它具有百分之百的公義性另外我想問你你去年去\n日本考察你也寫了一份考察報告我們很認真的看完了裡面說101年7月6號到113年9月30監察院在12年間總共彈劾了34個法官34個法官這個過程職務法庭判決免除法官職務的喪失公務員任用資格有一個撤職三個免除法官職務轉任法官以外職務有七個\n這是一個不適任法官我們國家的結果但是我要問的秘書長是最近我們看到很多媒體大幅報導惡劣的檢察官製造證據入人於罪這些狀況請問你們這幾年彈劾了多少個檢察官你不知道 最後不給我但也有吧 有 有的好 12年34個法官很驚人\n現在的問題就是監察委員是不是有自請調查的主動權依照監察法施行細則第二四條是現在有沒有人針對這些媒體大幅報導妨害違反司法偵查不公開還有所謂的製造假證據有沒有監察委員自請調查\n有關於偵查不公開的這個issue有沒有監察委員自請調查過 現在監察 就是有關於偵查不公開 其實有多數的調查案我記得的話應該是有九個最近的報導有沒有人申請自請調查目前沒有這些要人檢舉你們才受理 是嗎\n監察院有主動調查權監察院如果剛講的他以前是國會所以他言論免責權然後他應該受到程序保障但是現在有這麼多媒體大幅報導的以前監察委員都會拿過來自己寫一個我要調查到今天為止這麼多報導司法官相關的所謂的他的行為不適當或違法的情況監察委員現在都不動了是嗎\n就跟委員說明一下就是說在自動調查之前其實監察院依照人民訴訟處理法我要說的是秘書長如果監察院要繼續保持糾正糾舉彈劾都是監察委員的主要的權限我建議\n監察委員們現在就應該針對這個社會上發生的重大事件發現公務員有可能違法失職不要再發生謝怡蓉不要再發生陳忠彥這種事情好嗎如果看到這些人已經被指控媒體大幅的報導哪個惡檢那你至少要查一下還他清白也好啊\n現在是不動啊監察院是完全不動啊委員 我剛剛就是要說明 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