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00:03:24,735\n對不對你這大罷免花國家起碼我像這次我剛說12億他可能少一點因為罷免的委員不如之前想要罷的這麼多但是呢也將近10億元那看起來他一定要用二倍金所以他現在只是來跟你們講說他們要動用二倍金只是呢他沒有確切的金額而已所以我在這邊要特別說啦\n\n10\n00:03:26,696 --> 00:03:46,506\n就是我們今天所有的這個預算特別是這個二倍金的部分當然我們有災損金災害準備金我們也有二倍金二倍金的提高是為了讓我們行政院有一些緊急性的政務支出或者是這些災損\n\n11\n00:03:48,467 --> 00:04:16,113\n能夠或者是我們今天要辦理這些國際的研討會讓你們來做這些事情而不是讓你們來浪費納稅人的錢來搞大罷免來搞政治鬥爭我想這一點一定要核心序明因為當時我們也是在整個二倍金的這個預算的時候那大家也都都是支持的好那另外想請教一下那個那個代理秘書長\n\n12\n00:04:17,193 --> 00:04:39,375\n因為之前啊這個監察院有所謂的用公務車的爭議那你們現在說要移送這個紀律委員會請問一下紀律委員會召開了嗎預定是七月份召開七月份因為現在還沒有到七月七月一號呢還是七月三十一號呢七月上旬\n\n13\n00:04:40,436 --> 00:05:08,992\n那為什麼要等到這麼久跟委員說明就是在地理委員會在開會之前那它其實是一開始是個人民書狀有兩位人民來監察院提告類似陳情一個就是黃國昌委員辦公室這邊沒有沒有因為我知道已經有人去有人去告發那你們也說本來不做嘛本來說我們沒有辦法自己調查自己大家覺得很奇怪\n\n14\n00:05:09,332 --> 00:05:35,125\n沒有沒有所以你們怎麼胡作非為都沒有辦法調查自己但是現在說既然要啟動調查但是為什麼要這麼久呢因為事實上這個事件發生在五月底然後你們要事隔一個多月才來開這種紀律委員會我必須要講啦因為這件事情已經在社會觀感上是很差的\n\n15\n00:05:36,165 --> 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