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00:01:13,154\n原住民委員會人權工作小組設立的要點在每六個月最少需要召開一次的會議但是目前我們官網公開的資料就是最後一次就是這個日期所以我們在2023年11月9號就是距離現在就是遠遠超過我們的設定要點所以說這個半年請問一下我目前超過\n\n4\n00:01:14,154 --> 00:01:32,357\n一年半的時間我們延民會這邊的人權工作到底是有沒有召開這都是問號再問號啦所以再回應一下好謝謝委員其實我們都有更細的是不是那個我們的處長\n\n5\n00:01:33,118 --> 00:01:52,123\n做更清楚的這個說明好跟委員報告就是2024年的我們有按規定每六個月開一次但是我們就是可能漏掉了把那個會議紀錄刪除到晚上那2025年的部分因為我們委員任期到所以上半年我們在聆聘委員聆聘之後我們會按照那個規定再召開這個委員會議\n\n6\n00:01:55,023 --> 00:02:18,918\n所以你們有召開都沒有更新要開什麼不知道所以如果有開的話為什麼公開的會議記錄會停留在2023年我還要注意到第三個會期記錄裡面我們的出席的小組委員像剛才你說的但是我們只共十位兩位請假\n\n7\n00:02:21,500 --> 00:02:29,173\n六位人代表六位是代表來開會的不是本人所以主委這個比例\n\n8\n00:02:31,751 --> 00:02:56,341\n所以我們小組委員是由組委聘任的這樣我們組委上任後呢小組的會議有沒有到齊了或者有積極去推動嗎因為我們沒看到啊你講的我們也沒有看到網路都沒有了你們怎麼樣去開會或者這樣子的比例是開會有效嗎\n\n9\n00:03:00,157 --> 00:03:17,685\n剛剛講的這些我們的會議紀錄有一些就是我們有開但是沒有上網的我們會補足很快的我們回去趕快補足那至於這些代理的是會裡面的主管是代理外聘的委員還是一樣的出席開會你是說外聘的是沒有代理是內聘的有代理這樣的意思嗎\n\n10\n00:03:28,860 --> 00:03:54,155\n如果是內聘的代理的話大家都要送班喔來開會都沒來喔還找別人代理這個叫內聘嗎不是科人處長他有其他的業務啦那這個來代理的大部分都是科長以上一年要開兩次而已就是還有其他的所以這些都不重要啦不重要這個委員還要嗎\n\n11\n00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:02,834\n這個我回去會再要求跟委員報告我們回去要求就是不可以這樣子都是代理的啦\n\n12\n00:04:03,943 --> 00:04:07,484\n對啊因為代理是說外聘還是內聘我們這小組裡面十個人就是兩個請假六個代理所以這個是開這個會是沒有開還是有開開的效率如何也不敢放在網路所以這個真的是我們覺得這樣子的\n\n13\n00:04:29,519 --> 00:04:44,517\n所以說你說根據我們這樣子的重要規定就是不僅是派任還有就是繼續這樣子的方式的話我們覺得說我們前任委員有沒有續聘\n\n14\n00:04:46,019 --> 00:04:57,509\n或者是說所有的小組有沒有按照這樣子去開所以我們今年在審查預算我也注意到我們延民會不管便利預算的計畫還有就是說我們的推動上\n\n15\n00:05:01,733 --> 00:05:04,936\n都是說經常讓人覺得說人民會相當就是不消極很敷衍不認真所以我們覺得說連我們剛才你說的連內聘都不把這個當一回事所以我們覺得說這樣的小組為了配合行政院的人權保障收集的督導\n\n16\n00:05:25,131 --> 00:05:29,574\n我們原住民族是說司法我們的人權但是我們種族歧視等的爭議案件我覺得是非常重要的一件事情希望我們原民會要更積極才真正的讓我們原住民的朋友的權利真的有保障因為這個是人權的委員會我們的人權在哪裡\n\n17\n00:05:51,249 --> 00:06:18,836\n所以這個部分我希望是我們的主委真的要重視啦好第二個就是要想要請問一下今天的我們的憲法法庭在11年的宣判原住民身份違憲後依法在3年內要完成這個修法還有另外訂一個特別法今年10月就是到期限了所以呢在我們\n\n18\n00:06:20,157 --> 00:06:22,681\n言明會在五頁積極業務報告中也說到務實推動原住民主法的體系\n\n19\n00:06:31,614 --> 00:06:51,882\n體系制度所以我們報告上也有寫113年開始在辦了九場一見徵詢會議請問這個會議中有多少現有的原住民族代表還有有多少真正的就是來自平埔\n\n20\n00:06:52,851 --> 00:07:20,264\n體系組的這個評補組的族人參與或有就是目前掌握的人數還有我們的會議質詢的族人占比了多少但是我們都沒有看到所以我們希望說真的要聽大家的意見還有參加嗎不是用講的所以我們希望這個真正就是聽大家的意見\n\n21\n00:07:22,888 --> 00:07:35,849\n我們所有的座談會會議紀錄也會在網站上來呈現而且我親自去主持的就是平埔原住民一定是平埔原住民的族人來參加\n\n22\n00:07:36,823 --> 00:07:54,630\n那當然有一些場是人比較多比如說像台南有到七八十個人至少七八十個人來那最少都超過五十個人參加不但是只有平埔原住民的族群我們召開原來的山地原住民跟平地原住民我們也召開五場\n\n23\n00:07:55,310 --> 00:08:16,137\n因為這個多少他們也要讓他們感受到就是說他們也要表達意見對這個平埔原住民生物法草案的這個就是說成立之後這個成立之後發布之後對他們有什麼影響我們也必須要做說明所以跟委員包括我們會在網站上來呈現參加的人數還有內容我們會補齊\n\n24\n00:08:19,138 --> 00:08:23,860\n對還有他們的就是我們的群體的意見因為目前已經有九個提出就是我們的民主的識別申請這是我們但是我們的就是屬南島語系的民主制其他的原住民民主也是在這個這個這一群寫者共同發表的聲明呼應主管機構應該禁訴依法核定並公報\n\n25\n00:08:49,253 --> 00:08:52,514\n避免就是延遲了我們族群的權利所以說如果你有這樣子去開會那這些人為什麼還有說在報告中就看到的是我們的特政研議辦理我們民主認定的程序作業目前研議的如何還有審查的時間多長\n\n26\n00:09:14,163 --> 00:09:17,485\n如果是有明確的話為什麼還有人再來去所以我們希望說在實務推動不只是法規的訂定而且說在乎整體的政策資源排擠還有重新分配我們要請教我們的主委說在我們掌握的\n\n27\n00:09:33,531 --> 00:09:54,800\n平埔組人口數多少還有未來增加這個組別的時候必須我們延民會現有的配置資源會不會不夠是否已經佔用的人數有向行政院爭取這些的預算嗎我們平埔組未來\n\n28\n00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:25,272\n經特別法認定族群公告後取得身份是否直接應用原住民族的基本法有無就是銜接應用的問題這個都是到目前為止的報告中我們是沒有看到的我跟委員報告你當然我們現在在盤點那最重要是這個法這個法過了之後我們立刻就做後面的這些這些工作當然我們已經都準備好了\n\n29\n00:10:25,632 --> 00:10:52,334\n准备好了,他今天要三年准备什么时候准备要久还没准备好我们到今天报告也没看到所以我们希望我们就是目前有区分刚才我们也有我们的政委也有说我们分就是3地原住民平地原住民未来新增了平补组的后呢我们原住民后我们如何在苍政权还有不轮就是\n\n30\n00:10:53,955 --> 00:11:01,843\n任何我們的種族的就是都要平等的參與所以原住民是否針對就是我們平埔族的族群整體的規劃不管是社會福利、教育輔助或者文化的傳承與鼓勵的方案如果有的話這個部分因為已經快三年了現在來排但是我們看到報告裡面都沒有了所以說你準備好\n\n31\n00:11:19,839 --> 00:11:40,707\n這好到一好到二好到好這個我們就沒看到所以說如果真的剛剛的這些討論議題如果我們原住民內部都有討論希望你真的拿出來讓大家覺得是說不要只要耍耍所以說我們必須說只要就是\n\n32\n00:11:41,807 --> 00:11:45,288\n判限我們針對這個憲法跟對這個需求我們一定要真正的落實不要等我們召委在排的時候你也拿不出東西拿不出東西就說有有有我們就看不出來所以我們希望真正的屬於我們原住民的\n\n33\n00:12:03,601 --> 00:12:18,918\n的需求還有說不同族群的權利我們主委更用心的啦最後是不是讓我們有一些我們的會議資料等等是不是我們補充一份給我們麥委員好不好好好所以要拜託一下謝謝好謝謝麥委員最後我們請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7490\t12074\t我們要請教一下我們的主委我們延民會為了推動原住民人權保障的業務\n23743\t41993\t推動的工作 設有人權工作小組但在延民會官網上 我們看到最新的記錄還留在2023年第三的會議但根據我們延民會的\n43914\t73154\t原住民委員會人權工作小組設立的要點在每六個月最少需要召開一次的會議但是目前我們官網公開的資料就是最後一次就是這個日期所以我們在2023年11月9號就是距離現在就是遠遠超過我們的設定要點所以說這個半年請問一下我目前超過\n74154\t92357\t一年半的時間我們延民會這邊的人權工作到底是有沒有召開這都是問號再問號啦所以再回應一下好 謝謝委員其實我們都有更細的是不是那個我們的處長\n93118\t112123\t做更清楚的這個說明好 跟委員報告就是2024年的我們有按規定每六個月開一次但是我們就是可能漏掉了把那個會議紀錄刪除到晚上那2025年的部分因為我們委員任期到所以上半年我們在聆聘委員聆聘之後我們會按照那個規定再召開這個委員會議\n115023\t138918\t所以你們有召開都沒有更新要開什麼不知道所以如果有開的話為什麼公開的會議記錄會停留在2023年我還要注意到第三個會期記錄裡面我們的出席的小組委員像剛才你說的但是我們只共十位兩位請假\n141500\t149173\t六位人代表六位是代表來開會的不是本人所以主委這個比例\n151751\t176341\t所以我們小組委員是由組委聘任的這樣我們組委上任後呢 小組的會議有沒有到齊了或者有積極去推動嗎因為我們沒看到啊 你講的我們也沒有看到 網路都沒有了 你們怎麼樣去開會 或者這樣子的比例是開會有效嗎\n180157\t197685\t剛剛講的這些我們的會議紀錄有一些就是我們有開但是沒有上網的我們會補足很快的我們回去趕快補足那至於這些代理的是會裡面的主管是代理外聘的委員還是一樣的出席開會你是說外聘的是沒有代理是內聘的有代理這樣的意思嗎\n208860\t234155\t如果是內聘的代理的話 大家都要送班喔來開會都沒來喔還找別人代理 這個叫內聘嗎不是 科人處長他有其他的業務啦那這個來代理的大部分都是科長以上一年要開兩次而已 就是還有其他的所以這些都不重要啦 不重要這個委員還要嗎\n237840\t242834\t這個我回去會再要求跟委員報告我們回去要求就是不可以這樣子都是代理的啦\n243943\t247484\t對啊 因為代理是說外聘還是內聘 我們這小組裡面十個人就是兩個請假 六個代理所以這個是開這個會 是沒有開還是有開 開的效率如何 也不敢放在網路所以這個真的是我們覺得這樣子的\n269519\t284517\t所以說你說根據我們這樣子的重要規定就是不僅是派任還有就是繼續這樣子的方式的話我們覺得說我們前任委員有沒有續聘\n286019\t297509\t或者是說所有的小組有沒有按照這樣子去開所以我們今年在審查預算我也注意到我們延民會不管便利預算的計畫還有就是說我們的推動上\n301733\t304936\t都是說經常讓人覺得說 人民會相當就是不消極很敷衍 不認真 所以我們覺得說連我們剛才你說的 連內聘都不把這個當一回事所以我們覺得說這樣的小組為了配合行政院的人權保障 收集的督導\n325131\t329574\t我們原住民族是說司法我們的人權但是我們種族歧視等的爭議案件我覺得是非常重要的一件事情希望我們原民會要更積極才真正的讓我們原住民的朋友的權利真的有保障因為這個是人權的委員會我們的人權在哪裡\n351249\t378836\t所以這個部分我希望是我們的主委真的要重視啦好第二個就是要想要請問一下今天的我們的憲法法庭在11年的宣判原住民身份違憲後依法在3年內要完成這個修法還有另外訂一個特別法今年10月就是到期限了所以呢在我們\n380157\t382681\t言明會在五頁積極業務報告中也說到務實推動原住民主法的體系\n391614\t411882\t體系制度所以我們報告上也有寫113年開始在辦了九場一見徵詢會議請問這個會議中有多少現有的原住民族代表還有有多少真正的就是來自平埔\n412851\t440264\t體系組的這個評補組的族人參與或有就是目前掌握的人數還有我們的會議質詢的族人占比了多少但是我們都沒有看到所以我們希望說真的要聽大家的意見還有參加嗎不是用講的所以我們希望這個真正就是聽大家的意見\n442888\t455849\t我們所有的座談會會議紀錄也會在網站上來呈現而且我親自去主持的就是平埔原住民一定是平埔原住民的族人來參加\n456823\t474630\t那當然有一些場是人比較多比如說像台南有到七八十個人至少七八十個人來那最少都超過五十個人參加不但是只有平埔原住民的族群我們召開原來的山地原住民跟平地原住民我們也召開五場\n475310\t496137\t因為這個多少他們也要讓他們感受到就是說他們也要表達意見對這個平埔原住民生物法草案的這個就是說成立之後這個成立之後發布之後對他們有什麼影響我們也必須要做說明所以跟委員包括我們會在網站上來呈現參加的人數還有內容我們會補齊\n499138\t503860\t對還有他們的就是我們的群體的意見因為目前已經有九個提出就是我們的民主的識別申請這是我們但是我們的就是屬南島語系的民主制其他的原住民民主也是在這個這個這一群寫者共同發表的聲明呼應主管機構應該禁訴依法核定並公報\n529253\t532514\t避免就是延遲了我們族群的權利所以說如果你有這樣子去開會那這些人為什麼還有說在報告中就看到的是我們的特政研議辦理我們民主認定的程序作業目前研議的如何還有審查的時間多長\n554163\t557485\t如果是有明確的話為什麼還有人再來去所以我們希望說在實務推動不只是法規的訂定而且說在乎整體的政策資源排擠還有重新分配我們要請教我們的主委說在我們掌握的\n573531\t594800\t平埔組人口數多少還有未來增加這個組別的時候必須我們延民會現有的配置資源會不會不夠是否已經佔用的人數有向行政院爭取這些的預算嗎我們平埔組未來\n596440\t625272\t經特別法認定族群公告後取得身份是否直接應用原住民族的基本法有無就是銜接應用的問題這個都是到目前為止的報告中我們是沒有看到的我跟委員報告你當然我們現在在盤點那最重要是這個法這個法過了之後我們立刻就做後面的這些這些工作當然我們已經都準備好了\n625632\t652334\t准备好了,他今天要三年准备什么时候准备要久还没准备好我们到今天报告也没看到所以我们希望我们就是目前有区分刚才我们也有我们的政委也有说我们分就是3地原住民平地原住民未来新增了平补组的后呢我们原住民后我们如何在苍政权还有不轮就是\n653955\t661843\t任何我們的種族的就是都要平等的參與所以原住民是否針對就是我們平埔族的族群整體的規劃不管是社會福利、教育輔助或者文化的傳承與鼓勵的方案如果有的話這個部分因為已經快三年了現在來排但是我們看到報告裡面都沒有了所以說你準備好\n679839\t700707\t這好到一好到二好到好這個我們就沒看到所以說如果真的剛剛的這些討論議題如果我們原住民內部都有討論希望你真的拿出來讓大家覺得是說不要只要耍耍所以說我們必須說只要就是\n701807\t705288\t判限我們針對這個憲法跟對這個需求我們一定要真正的落實不要等我們召委在排的時候你也拿不出東西拿不出東西就說有有有我們就看不出來所以我們希望真正的屬於我們原住民的\n723601\t738918\t的需求還有說不同族群的權利我們主委更用心的啦最後是不是讓我們有一些我們的會議資料等等是不是我們補充一份給我們麥委員好不好好好所以要拜託一下謝謝好謝謝麥委員最後我們請\n","txt":"我們要請教一下我們的主委我們延民會為了推動原住民人權保障的業務\n推動的工作 設有人權工作小組但在延民會官網上 我們看到最新的記錄還留在2023年第三的會議但根據我們延民會的\n原住民委員會人權工作小組設立的要點在每六個月最少需要召開一次的會議但是目前我們官網公開的資料就是最後一次就是這個日期所以我們在2023年11月9號就是距離現在就是遠遠超過我們的設定要點所以說這個半年請問一下我目前超過\n一年半的時間我們延民會這邊的人權工作到底是有沒有召開這都是問號再問號啦所以再回應一下好 謝謝委員其實我們都有更細的是不是那個我們的處長\n做更清楚的這個說明好 跟委員報告就是2024年的我們有按規定每六個月開一次但是我們就是可能漏掉了把那個會議紀錄刪除到晚上那2025年的部分因為我們委員任期到所以上半年我們在聆聘委員聆聘之後我們會按照那個規定再召開這個委員會議\n所以你們有召開都沒有更新要開什麼不知道所以如果有開的話為什麼公開的會議記錄會停留在2023年我還要注意到第三個會期記錄裡面我們的出席的小組委員像剛才你說的但是我們只共十位兩位請假\n六位人代表六位是代表來開會的不是本人所以主委這個比例\n所以我們小組委員是由組委聘任的這樣我們組委上任後呢 小組的會議有沒有到齊了或者有積極去推動嗎因為我們沒看到啊 你講的我們也沒有看到 網路都沒有了 你們怎麼樣去開會 或者這樣子的比例是開會有效嗎\n剛剛講的這些我們的會議紀錄有一些就是我們有開但是沒有上網的我們會補足很快的我們回去趕快補足那至於這些代理的是會裡面的主管是代理外聘的委員還是一樣的出席開會你是說外聘的是沒有代理是內聘的有代理這樣的意思嗎\n如果是內聘的代理的話 大家都要送班喔來開會都沒來喔還找別人代理 這個叫內聘嗎不是 科人處長他有其他的業務啦那這個來代理的大部分都是科長以上一年要開兩次而已 就是還有其他的所以這些都不重要啦 不重要這個委員還要嗎\n這個我回去會再要求跟委員報告我們回去要求就是不可以這樣子都是代理的啦\n對啊 因為代理是說外聘還是內聘 我們這小組裡面十個人就是兩個請假 六個代理所以這個是開這個會 是沒有開還是有開 開的效率如何 也不敢放在網路所以這個真的是我們覺得這樣子的\n所以說你說根據我們這樣子的重要規定就是不僅是派任還有就是繼續這樣子的方式的話我們覺得說我們前任委員有沒有續聘\n或者是說所有的小組有沒有按照這樣子去開所以我們今年在審查預算我也注意到我們延民會不管便利預算的計畫還有就是說我們的推動上\n都是說經常讓人覺得說 人民會相當就是不消極很敷衍 不認真 所以我們覺得說連我們剛才你說的 連內聘都不把這個當一回事所以我們覺得說這樣的小組為了配合行政院的人權保障 收集的督導\n我們原住民族是說司法我們的人權但是我們種族歧視等的爭議案件我覺得是非常重要的一件事情希望我們原民會要更積極才真正的讓我們原住民的朋友的權利真的有保障因為這個是人權的委員會我們的人權在哪裡\n所以這個部分我希望是我們的主委真的要重視啦好第二個就是要想要請問一下今天的我們的憲法法庭在11年的宣判原住民身份違憲後依法在3年內要完成這個修法還有另外訂一個特別法今年10月就是到期限了所以呢在我們\n言明會在五頁積極業務報告中也說到務實推動原住民主法的體系\n體系制度所以我們報告上也有寫113年開始在辦了九場一見徵詢會議請問這個會議中有多少現有的原住民族代表還有有多少真正的就是來自平埔\n體系組的這個評補組的族人參與或有就是目前掌握的人數還有我們的會議質詢的族人占比了多少但是我們都沒有看到所以我們希望說真的要聽大家的意見還有參加嗎不是用講的所以我們希望這個真正就是聽大家的意見\n我們所有的座談會會議紀錄也會在網站上來呈現而且我親自去主持的就是平埔原住民一定是平埔原住民的族人來參加\n那當然有一些場是人比較多比如說像台南有到七八十個人至少七八十個人來那最少都超過五十個人參加不但是只有平埔原住民的族群我們召開原來的山地原住民跟平地原住民我們也召開五場\n因為這個多少他們也要讓他們感受到就是說他們也要表達意見對這個平埔原住民生物法草案的這個就是說成立之後這個成立之後發布之後對他們有什麼影響我們也必須要做說明所以跟委員包括我們會在網站上來呈現參加的人數還有內容我們會補齊\n對還有他們的就是我們的群體的意見因為目前已經有九個提出就是我們的民主的識別申請這是我們但是我們的就是屬南島語系的民主制其他的原住民民主也是在這個這個這一群寫者共同發表的聲明呼應主管機構應該禁訴依法核定並公報\n避免就是延遲了我們族群的權利所以說如果你有這樣子去開會那這些人為什麼還有說在報告中就看到的是我們的特政研議辦理我們民主認定的程序作業目前研議的如何還有審查的時間多長\n如果是有明確的話為什麼還有人再來去所以我們希望說在實務推動不只是法規的訂定而且說在乎整體的政策資源排擠還有重新分配我們要請教我們的主委說在我們掌握的\n平埔組人口數多少還有未來增加這個組別的時候必須我們延民會現有的配置資源會不會不夠是否已經佔用的人數有向行政院爭取這些的預算嗎我們平埔組未來\n經特別法認定族群公告後取得身份是否直接應用原住民族的基本法有無就是銜接應用的問題這個都是到目前為止的報告中我們是沒有看到的我跟委員報告你當然我們現在在盤點那最重要是這個法這個法過了之後我們立刻就做後面的這些這些工作當然我們已經都準備好了\n准备好了,他今天要三年准备什么时候准备要久还没准备好我们到今天报告也没看到所以我们希望我们就是目前有区分刚才我们也有我们的政委也有说我们分就是3地原住民平地原住民未来新增了平补组的后呢我们原住民后我们如何在苍政权还有不轮就是\n任何我們的種族的就是都要平等的參與所以原住民是否針對就是我們平埔族的族群整體的規劃不管是社會福利、教育輔助或者文化的傳承與鼓勵的方案如果有的話這個部分因為已經快三年了現在來排但是我們看到報告裡面都沒有了所以說你準備好\n這好到一好到二好到好這個我們就沒看到所以說如果真的剛剛的這些討論議題如果我們原住民內部都有討論希望你真的拿出來讓大家覺得是說不要只要耍耍所以說我們必須說只要就是\n判限我們針對這個憲法跟對這個需求我們一定要真正的落實不要等我們召委在排的時候你也拿不出東西拿不出東西就說有有有我們就看不出來所以我們希望真正的屬於我們原住民的\n的需求還有說不同族群的權利我們主委更用心的啦最後是不是讓我們有一些我們的會議資料等等是不是我們補充一份給我們麥委員好不好好好所以要拜託一下謝謝好謝謝麥委員最後我們請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.490 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