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00:01:48,469\n9000人以上這樣的青少年好我們再來看這樣的一個詐欺的金流流程那眾所皆知最末端現場趨緩的都是青少年居多的車手\n\n6\n00:01:48,989 --> 00:02:16,085\n好最容易逮捕也風險最大因為機房跟地下會隊都在國外警方是難以查緝未成年擔任車手的趨勢是逐年飆升這也是未來司法院長您應該要拿出更好的策略跟作為好我們來看這前端警政署的打詐一張表我就追溯今天是7月9號在7月7號禮拜一的時候當天有481件的詐騙受領\n\n7\n00:02:18,766 --> 00:02:29,880\n財產損失當天3億4千萬我就以這個數據一年擴大一年的推估481件一天365天就有17萬5千多件這是報案紀錄\n\n8\n00:02:34,446 --> 00:02:52,680\n因天的損失3億4千萬那一年一年來就有1241億這是本期保守枯竹實質的金額是這個的雙倍以上這對我國人跟每個家庭都是傾天霹靂而且是難以堪受的打擊\n\n9\n00:02:53,460 --> 00:03:07,709\n好警方這麼的努力那我們來看法院的部分這個表是司法院司法業務年報當中取得的他以地方法院少年刑事第一審的訴訟案件終結的案子\n\n10\n00:03:09,510 --> 00:03:37,882\n你看三年半前有111年15件112年16件這都終結了113年16件今年未過半1到5月3件這表示什麼意思呢也就是說每年上萬名的涉詐行為的青少年真的到了司法院不管是少年法庭或者是地方法院真正被判刑的比例是相當低\n\n11\n00:03:38,462 --> 00:04:00,456\n百分之一都不到所以未來司法院長就應該責務方帶去正視青少年參與詐欺逐年飆升的趨勢又要減少青少年參與詐騙又要保護被害人的權益好我們再來提供前端的警察人員是多麼的認真這是三年半前他們捕捉到車手\n\n12\n00:04:02,037 --> 00:04:09,843\n這個少年擔任車手的部分111年685人112年雙倍了1279年113年再雙倍2354年4人再到今年還未過半1到5月已經1192人前5個月已經達到112年前年的\n\n13\n00:04:25,415 --> 00:04:41,353\n總年度逮捕的車手的人數了這個數據呈現什麼了詐騙集團非常樂意讓青少年當車手來規避這個責任金三祖在前端認真的查緝實時進入到司法院審判的程序\n\n14\n00:04:42,053 --> 00:04:48,841\n青少年的案件卻非常偏少不管是在少年法庭或者是地方法院我這邊要講明的是我不是說要把這些青少年抓起來關\n\n15\n00:04:57,891 --> 00:05:16,734\n而是要青少年進入到法院的時候你願意給他武器你的院方要給下面的警察跟檢調單位武器讓他去共出車手的上方的幕後集團是誰但是對於青少年就應該依照青少年的相關的保護原則\n\n16\n00:05:17,835 --> 00:05:33,805\n給予符合他的身心專快的矯正而不是要判重刑這個分析要強調但是你要給他能夠法院當中要給檢察官要給警察這樣的一個力量去供出讓這個青少年去供出上面的首腦才是正版\n\n17\n00:05:34,765 --> 00:05:57,725\n好那司法院你如何改善呢司法院還要繼續放縱少年車手成為詐騙集團的人才資料庫嗎好在這邊我們這個少年事件的處理法本期想要問的您認為有沒有要修法的必要本期知道少年事件處理法的主管計方是法務不擔\n\n18\n00:05:58,906 --> 00:06:18,890\n真的在做疑審的單位決定要不要疑審要不要繼續偵查的單位是法院所以本席要問如果少年法院過度採取少年保護主義原則讓詐騙集團的首腦大量吸收未成年者成為詐騙流程中最關鍵的前方\n\n19\n00:06:19,070 --> 00:06:43,890\n封部隊這個就是顯化好我們來看保護主義原則本席是非常認同的但是法律是基於少年親自會成熟避免對少年造成過度的壓力或侵害這是我們應該要去執行的但是如果法院無限上綱少年保護主義原則也使得警方在偵查當中無法迅速追查幕後組織\n\n20\n00:06:45,111 --> 00:07:02,916\n本席要講的是這個但是青少年你應該依照青少年不是要重判而是要好好的給予矯正符合他身心狀況的要給予矯正這才是正辦我再次的第二次的強調好那現況是案件移送少年法庭之後少年法庭具有先議權\n\n21\n00:07:04,355 --> 00:07:31,960\n所以檢察官既不能介入警方的偵查權也受限無法繼續偵辦就讓詐騙集團爐爐無人之地搜刮台灣人民的財產幫派及犯罪集團利用這些程序的限制吸收了少年從事犯罪警方難以追緝幕後組織只能查獲少年車手等末端人員溯源效果大打折扣院長提名人你怎麼看呢如果你未來擔任院長如何來解決這樣的問題呢\n\n22\n00:07:34,581 --> 00:07:48,161\n委員剛剛對少年犯涉入詐欺集團的詐騙案件,只成了非常非常清楚,可能比我還了解。那成少共犯這個問題確實是一個很大的問題。\n\n23\n00:07:50,885 --> 00:08:13,030\n事實上是少年人因為少年犯他不是自己犯罪他是跟成年人一起犯罪你直接告訴我你上任之後你馬上怎麼做這已經是國安議題了也是總統跟國人就算總統沒給他升級到國安議題也是我們全台人民現在最痛苦的一件事情是一點都沒錯那你怎麼做呢你只要告訴我你上任之後你的方法是什麼\n\n24\n00:08:13,746 --> 00:08:14,026\n院長我具體建議啦\n\n25\n00:08:32,888 --> 00:08:47,896\n就是要把這個少年就是來詢問就是對少年犯也能夠詢問但是現在的問題是警察官可能因為法律限制的關係少年事件處理法的關係所以可能沒有辦法達到目的\n\n26\n00:08:52,998 --> 00:09:11,566\n一個月內召集所有您所有相關的主管跟全國相關的法官在你的下面所屬的相關的人跟這個案子有關的相關的主管來討論有沒有修法的必要好嗎一個月內可以嗎\n\n27\n00:09:12,786 --> 00:09:29,620\n與其你在我這邊跟我講說你的看法我覺得你已經是院長你沒有辦法去你當然院長當中你如何讓你的法官去認同這件事情這才是你讓你的少年法庭的法官能夠認同這件事情你做一個司法院院長怎麼做啊\n\n28\n00:09:31,407 --> 00:09:34,469\n第一個你的態度認不認爲你擔任司法院長這個是重中之重少年車手成爲詐騙集團的千鋒部隊搜刮我台灣人民的財產這件事情你的態度是什麼第二個你的做法是什麼請回答\n\n29\n00:09:47,178 --> 00:10:08,648\n這確實是重要問題但是我跟委員報告我現在還沒有上任老師講對司法院的一些業務這個主要是少年家事廳這邊的業務其實我不那麼熟但是我在高檢在任職的時候我曾經聽過同事也跟檢察長討論過這個問題至少你的態度很明確你認為應該責無旁貸的作為優先的處理的業務我想是優先要處理\n\n30\n00:10:16,492 --> 00:10:37,592\n好另外一個議題這個司法改革的核心是法官如何讓優秀的人才願意擔任法官司法體系依靠的是法官依法獨立審判但是法官過勞的問題如何改善請具體說明法官過勞的問題其實最主要的案件來源是剛剛委員所提到的詐欺案件\n\n31\n00:10:38,427 --> 00:10:58,667\n因為炸氣案件這幾年突然增加那炸氣案件增加這一點司法院其實要減少炸氣案件這一點事實上它有它的困難因為它沒有辦法去直接就是我剛剛有提到在口頭報告的時候提到就是說怎麼減少入口案件量案件是從\n\n32\n00:11:00,203 --> 00:11:26,861\n就是檢察官起訴然後送到法院這邊來所以在這個階段我沒有辦法去減少他的案件量就是已經進來我沒有辦法去減少案件量但是有一個問題就是說我也第一個在討論檢討這個問題的時候我也第一項提到就是說從案件的負擔這麼重法官的工作量這麼重當然就是因為人力不夠嘛這才很簡單但是呢\n\n33\n00:11:27,722 --> 00:11:48,948\n我們有一個很大的困難就是說我們的總元額法他的規定是非常的嚴格就是因為他不只是處理法官人數的問題他要處理所有公務人員的問題所以他的限制是很大的就是說他限制很高我們盡量去爭取那就法官的人數來講的話那我們會盡力\n\n34\n00:11:53,090 --> 00:12:12,110\n希望能夠增援因為在目前的案件量真的是這不是人過人沒辦法所以你認為增加援爾這是你認為要解套的一個良心其中一個辦法包括您在這個詐騙案件量的如何的來減少這件事情你也會來做處理\n\n35\n00:12:13,391 --> 00:12:33,669\n是嗎這是兩個您的案件量減少這個東西我們沒有辦法承諾因為這個社員確實不是社員做得到的三天案件量的減少要仰賴偵查機關要仰賴行政部門來幫忙所以增加員額是你認為其中一個辦法還有呢\n\n36\n00:12:37,594 --> 00:13:01,450\n那就是我們現在的案件量的負擔當然就是因為程序他比較冗長他程序比較冗長那另外一個就是他的法官的工作的負擔他有兩個方面第一個他很很長時間發停發在月卷開庭這樣子的那另外一個就是製作書類那現在的書類現在的判決書動輒上百頁動輒幾十頁所以他的文書的\n\n37\n00:13:08,596 --> 00:13:19,393\n製作的負擔很重那我們會想辦法來減輕他的文書製作的負擔我想這是還蠻重要的這是第二個方案那還有呢\n\n38\n00:13:20,656 --> 00:13:39,084\n剛剛也講到程序的問題看是能夠再精簡另外一個就是看有沒有辦法再補充其他的人力比如說退休的人員我們有沒有辦法以什麼樣的方式請他們可以回來幫忙不管是哪一種忙我們都很歡迎\n\n39\n00:13:39,784 --> 00:13:55,758\n那再來就是輔助人力的問題,我想法官的人力跟輔助人力的問題,現在有一個很大的問題,就是比如說書記官,現在書記官離朝,離世朝非常的多,非常可怕,就是他現在沒有人願意當書記官,為什麼沒有人願意當書記官,因為待遇很少,\n\n40\n00:13:56,687 --> 00:14:17,975\n然後工作量很多所以這個問題我們也要想辦法看怎麼解決一個書記官的待遇甚至可能比法官助理還要少他是一個有職務保障的一個書記官但是他的待遇其實是就工作量來講是算是相當的微薄了那這一點我覺得我們應該來正視這個問題看跟\n\n41\n00:14:22,796 --> 00:14:47,761\n就這事項嗎第一個增加法官的援額第二個我們的這個文書的業務量如何的減少第三個整個作業的流程整個檢視整個的這個法官審理的流程如何有簡化的可能性第四個就是對輔助人力例如書記官他的薪資所得的提高就這事項您認為這個是能夠解決法官過勞的現況嗎還有呢\n\n42\n00:14:50,967 --> 00:15:19,555\n你們努力了但是其他我想我剛講過我就是我也還沒有上任其實對世華運營的業務也不是非常非常的了解但是我們世華運營有很多各事處有很多人才那有很多專業人員他們對這些問題我想他會比我更深入所以我必須要到時候還要請教以及跟他們討論來怎麼樣來解決問題有沒有其他的辦法\n\n43\n00:15:19,875 --> 00:15:36,861\n大把關過牢也納入如果能夠擔任院長的話也擔任您重要的就是首先優先要處理的這個業務嗎是的所以本席提到這兩項如果您未來擔任司法院長第一個處理這個詐騙車手詐騙的問題那第二個跟少年犯有關\n\n44\n00:15:42,286 --> 00:16:09,568\n對當然少年犯就青少年擔任車手的一個在這個司法院的體制內當中如何來來減少這樣的如何面對這樣的一個青少年來擔任這個這個詐騙集團的前鋒部隊的議題第二個法官過勞你也是願意擔任願意最優先的來做處理你的業務的首要十大您上任之後的十大業務推動的其中兩項是嗎\n\n45\n00:16:10,669 --> 00:16:11,651\n其中兩項可以講一下好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n529\t549\t請問好\n9960\t39518\t本協議想針對兩個議題來跟我們院長提名的來做個討論第一個是少年車手成為詐騙集團的主流第二個是法官過勞的問題好我們來看這個幾個數據跟報導在2023年的時候已經有這樣的一個報導少年車手世代的誕生詐欺集團裡一句句殘破屍體堆疊的代價詐騙集團是進得去出不來為的就是詐騙集團的永續經營這樣的狀況有沒有得到緩解沒有在\n39818\t60670\t今年6月的時候的報導少年色詐五年新高六成當車手跟車手頭這個名詞從哪裡來2017年在台灣自然史上相當特殊的一年一種新型的大宗青少年色法的模式竟遭到非正式的命名根據警政署的統計在2017年色詐的集團\n64272\t89229\t這個招捕的青少年首度飆破萬人而且已經超越各種青少年犯罪形態因此被管稱為少年車手世代的誕生這正是台灣治安的一大隱憂那司法院的統計全國已進入到法院審理的青少年涉詐的人數除了2017年首度超過一萬人回顧前三年2019到2022年\n95194\t108469\t9000人以上這樣的青少年好我們再來看這樣的一個詐欺的金流流程那眾所皆知最末端現場趨緩的都是青少年居多的車手\n108989\t136085\t好最容易逮捕也風險最大因為機房跟地下會隊都在國外警方是難以查緝未成年擔任車手的趨勢是逐年飆升這也是未來司法院長您應該要拿出更好的策略跟作為好我們來看這前端警政署的打詐一張表我就追溯今天是7月9號在7月7號禮拜一的時候當天有481件的詐騙受領\n138766\t149880\t財產損失當天3億4千萬我就以這個數據一年擴大一年的推估481件一天365天就有17萬5千多件這是報案紀錄\n154446\t172680\t因天的損失3億4千萬那一年一年來就有1241億這是本期保守枯竹實質的金額是這個的雙倍以上這對我國人跟每個家庭都是傾天霹靂而且是難以堪受的打擊\n173460\t187709\t好 警方這麼的努力那我們來看法院的部分這個表是司法院司法業務年報當中取得的他以地方法院少年刑事第一審的訴訟案件終結的案子\n189510\t217882\t你看三年半前有111年15件112年16件這都終結了113年16件今年未過半1到5月3件這表示什麼意思呢也就是說每年上萬名的涉詐行為的青少年真的到了司法院不管是少年法庭或者是地方法院真正被判刑的比例是相當低\n218462\t240456\t百分之一都不到所以未來司法院長就應該責務方帶去正視青少年參與詐欺逐年飆升的趨勢又要減少青少年參與詐騙又要保護被害人的權益好我們再來提供前端的警察人員是多麼的認真這是三年半前他們捕捉到車手\n242037\t249843\t這個少年擔任車手的部分111年685人112年雙倍了1279年113年再雙倍2354年4人再到今年還未過半1到5月已經1192人前5個月已經達到112年前年的\n265415\t281353\t總年度逮捕的車手的人數了這個數據呈現什麼了詐騙集團非常樂意讓青少年當車手來規避這個責任金三祖在前端認真的查緝實時進入到司法院審判的程序\n282053\t288841\t青少年的案件卻非常偏少不管是在少年法庭或者是地方法院我這邊要講明的是我不是說要把這些青少年抓起來關\n297891\t316734\t而是要青少年進入到法院的時候你願意給他武器你的院方要給下面的警察跟檢調單位武器讓他去共出車手的上方的幕後集團是誰但是對於青少年就應該依照青少年的相關的保護原則\n317835\t333805\t給予符合他的身心專快的矯正而不是要判重刑這個分析要強調但是你要給他能夠法院當中要給檢察官要給警察這樣的一個力量去供出讓這個青少年去供出上面的首腦才是正版\n334765\t357725\t好那司法院你如何改善呢司法院還要繼續放縱少年車手成為詐騙集團的人才資料庫嗎好在這邊我們這個少年事件的處理法本期想要問的您認為有沒有要修法的必要本期知道少年事件處理法的主管計方是法務不擔\n358906\t378890\t真的在做疑審的單位決定要不要疑審要不要繼續偵查的單位是法院所以本席要問如果少年法院過度採取少年保護主義原則讓詐騙集團的首腦大量吸收未成年者成為詐騙流程中最關鍵的前方\n379070\t403890\t封部隊這個就是顯化好我們來看保護主義原則本席是非常認同的但是法律是基於少年親自會成熟避免對少年造成過度的壓力或侵害這是我們應該要去執行的但是如果法院無限上綱少年保護主義原則也使得警方在偵查當中無法迅速追查幕後組織\n405111\t422916\t本席要講的是這個但是青少年你應該依照青少年不是要重判而是要好好的給予矯正符合他身心狀況的要給予矯正這才是正辦我再次的第二次的強調好那現況是案件移送少年法庭之後少年法庭具有先議權\n424355\t451960\t所以檢察官既不能介入警方的偵查權也受限無法繼續偵辦就讓詐騙集團爐爐無人之地搜刮台灣人民的財產幫派及犯罪集團利用這些程序的限制吸收了少年從事犯罪警方難以追緝幕後組織只能查獲少年車手等末端人員溯源效果大打折扣院長提名人你怎麼看呢如果你未來擔任院長如何來解決這樣的問題呢\n454581\t468161\t委員剛剛對少年犯涉入詐欺集團的詐騙案件,只成了非常非常清楚,可能比我還了解。那成少共犯這個問題確實是一個很大的問題。\n470885\t493030\t事實上是少年人因為少年犯他不是自己犯罪他是跟成年人一起犯罪你直接告訴我你上任之後你馬上怎麼做這已經是國安議題了也是總統跟國人就算總統沒給他升級到國安議題也是我們全台人民現在最痛苦的一件事情是一點都沒錯那你怎麼做呢你只要告訴我你上任之後你的方法是什麼\n493746\t494026\t院長我具體建議啦\n512888\t527896\t就是要把這個少年就是來詢問就是對少年犯也能夠詢問但是現在的問題是警察官可能因為法律限制的關係少年事件處理法的關係所以可能沒有辦法達到目的\n532998\t551566\t一個月內 召集所有您所有相關的主管跟全國相關的法官在你的下面所屬的相關的人跟這個案子有關的相關的主管來討論有沒有修法的必要 好嗎一個月內可以嗎\n552786\t569620\t與其你在我這邊跟我講說你的看法我覺得你已經是院長你沒有辦法去你當然院長當中你如何讓你的法官去認同這件事情這才是你讓你的少年法庭的法官能夠認同這件事情你做一個司法院院長怎麼做啊\n571407\t574469\t第一個你的態度認不認爲你擔任司法院長這個是重中之重少年車手成爲詐騙集團的千鋒部隊搜刮我台灣人民的財產這件事情你的態度是什麼第二個你的做法是什麼 請回答\n587178\t608648\t這確實是重要問題但是我跟委員報告我現在還沒有上任老師講對司法院的一些業務這個主要是少年家事廳這邊的業務其實我不那麼熟但是我在高檢在任職的時候我曾經聽過同事也跟檢察長討論過這個問題至少你的態度很明確你認為應該責無旁貸的作為優先的處理的業務我想是優先要處理\n616492\t637592\t好 另外一個議題 這個司法改革的核心是法官如何讓優秀的人才願意擔任法官司法體系依靠的是法官依法獨立審判但是法官過勞的問題如何改善 請具體說明法官過勞的問題其實最主要的案件來源是剛剛委員所提到的詐欺案件\n638427\t658667\t因為炸氣案件這幾年突然增加那炸氣案件增加這一點司法院其實要減少炸氣案件這一點事實上它有它的困難因為它沒有辦法去直接就是我剛剛有提到在口頭報告的時候提到就是說怎麼減少入口案件量案件是從\n660203\t686861\t就是檢察官起訴然後送到法院這邊來所以在這個階段我沒有辦法去減少他的案件量就是已經進來我沒有辦法去減少案件量但是有一個問題就是說我也第一個在討論檢討這個問題的時候我也第一項提到就是說從案件的負擔這麼重法官的工作量這麼重當然就是因為人力不夠嘛這才很簡單但是呢\n687722\t708948\t我們有一個很大的困難就是說我們的總元額法他的規定是非常的嚴格就是因為他不只是處理法官人數的問題他要處理所有公務人員的問題所以他的限制是很大的就是說他限制很高我們盡量去爭取那就法官的人數來講的話那我們會盡力\n713090\t732110\t希望能夠增援因為在目前的案件量真的是這不是人過人沒辦法所以你認為增加援爾這是你認為要解套的一個良心其中一個辦法包括您在這個詐騙案件量的如何的來減少這件事情你也會來做處理\n733391\t753669\t是嗎這是兩個您的案件量減少這個東西我們沒有辦法承諾因為這個社員確實不是社員做得到的三天案件量的減少要仰賴偵查機關要仰賴行政部門來幫忙所以增加員額是你認為其中一個辦法還有呢\n757594\t781450\t那就是我們現在的案件量的負擔當然就是因為程序他比較冗長他程序比較冗長那另外一個就是他的法官的工作的負擔他有兩個方面第一個他很很長時間發停發在月卷開庭這樣子的那另外一個就是製作書類那現在的書類現在的判決書動輒上百頁動輒幾十頁所以他的文書的\n788596\t799393\t製作的負擔很重那我們會想辦法來減輕他的文書製作的負擔我想這是還蠻重要的這是第二個方案那還有呢\n800656\t819084\t剛剛也講到程序的問題看是能夠再精簡另外一個就是看有沒有辦法再補充其他的人力比如說退休的人員我們有沒有辦法以什麼樣的方式請他們可以回來幫忙不管是哪一種忙我們都很歡迎\n819784\t835758\t那再來就是輔助人力的問題,我想法官的人力跟輔助人力的問題,現在有一個很大的問題,就是比如說書記官,現在書記官離朝,離世朝非常的多,非常可怕,就是他現在沒有人願意當書記官,為什麼沒有人願意當書記官,因為待遇很少,\n836687\t857975\t然後工作量很多所以這個問題我們也要想辦法看怎麼解決一個書記官的待遇甚至可能比法官助理還要少他是一個有職務保障的一個書記官但是他的待遇其實是就工作量來講是算是相當的微薄了那這一點我覺得我們應該來正視這個問題看跟\n862796\t887761\t就這事項嗎第一個增加法官的援額第二個我們的這個文書的業務量如何的減少第三個整個作業的流程整個檢視整個的這個法官審理的流程如何有簡化的可能性第四個就是對輔助人力例如書記官他的薪資所得的提高就這事項您認為這個是能夠解決法官過勞的現況嗎還有呢\n890967\t919555\t你們努力了但是其他我想我剛講過我就是我也還沒有上任其實對世華運營的業務也不是非常非常的了解但是我們世華運營有很多各事處有很多人才那有很多專業人員他們對這些問題我想他會比我更深入所以我必須要到時候還要請教以及跟他們討論來怎麼樣來解決問題有沒有其他的辦法\n919875\t936861\t大把關過牢也納入如果能夠擔任院長的話也擔任您重要的就是首先優先要處理的這個業務嗎是的所以本席提到這兩項如果您未來擔任司法院長第一個處理這個詐騙車手詐騙的問題那第二個跟少年犯有關\n942286\t969568\t對當然少年犯就青少年擔任車手的一個在這個司法院的體制內當中如何來來減少這樣的如何面對這樣的一個青少年來擔任這個這個詐騙集團的前鋒部隊的議題第二個法官過勞你也是願意擔任願意最優先的來做處理你的業務的首要十大您上任之後的十大業務推動的其中兩項是嗎\n970669\t971651\t其中兩項 可以講一下好 謝謝\n","txt":"請問好\n本協議想針對兩個議題來跟我們院長提名的來做個討論第一個是少年車手成為詐騙集團的主流第二個是法官過勞的問題好我們來看這個幾個數據跟報導在2023年的時候已經有這樣的一個報導少年車手世代的誕生詐欺集團裡一句句殘破屍體堆疊的代價詐騙集團是進得去出不來為的就是詐騙集團的永續經營這樣的狀況有沒有得到緩解沒有在\n今年6月的時候的報導少年色詐五年新高六成當車手跟車手頭這個名詞從哪裡來2017年在台灣自然史上相當特殊的一年一種新型的大宗青少年色法的模式竟遭到非正式的命名根據警政署的統計在2017年色詐的集團\n這個招捕的青少年首度飆破萬人而且已經超越各種青少年犯罪形態因此被管稱為少年車手世代的誕生這正是台灣治安的一大隱憂那司法院的統計全國已進入到法院審理的青少年涉詐的人數除了2017年首度超過一萬人回顧前三年2019到2022年\n9000人以上這樣的青少年好我們再來看這樣的一個詐欺的金流流程那眾所皆知最末端現場趨緩的都是青少年居多的車手\n好最容易逮捕也風險最大因為機房跟地下會隊都在國外警方是難以查緝未成年擔任車手的趨勢是逐年飆升這也是未來司法院長您應該要拿出更好的策略跟作為好我們來看這前端警政署的打詐一張表我就追溯今天是7月9號在7月7號禮拜一的時候當天有481件的詐騙受領\n財產損失當天3億4千萬我就以這個數據一年擴大一年的推估481件一天365天就有17萬5千多件這是報案紀錄\n因天的損失3億4千萬那一年一年來就有1241億這是本期保守枯竹實質的金額是這個的雙倍以上這對我國人跟每個家庭都是傾天霹靂而且是難以堪受的打擊\n好 警方這麼的努力那我們來看法院的部分這個表是司法院司法業務年報當中取得的他以地方法院少年刑事第一審的訴訟案件終結的案子\n你看三年半前有111年15件112年16件這都終結了113年16件今年未過半1到5月3件這表示什麼意思呢也就是說每年上萬名的涉詐行為的青少年真的到了司法院不管是少年法庭或者是地方法院真正被判刑的比例是相當低\n百分之一都不到所以未來司法院長就應該責務方帶去正視青少年參與詐欺逐年飆升的趨勢又要減少青少年參與詐騙又要保護被害人的權益好我們再來提供前端的警察人員是多麼的認真這是三年半前他們捕捉到車手\n這個少年擔任車手的部分111年685人112年雙倍了1279年113年再雙倍2354年4人再到今年還未過半1到5月已經1192人前5個月已經達到112年前年的\n總年度逮捕的車手的人數了這個數據呈現什麼了詐騙集團非常樂意讓青少年當車手來規避這個責任金三祖在前端認真的查緝實時進入到司法院審判的程序\n青少年的案件卻非常偏少不管是在少年法庭或者是地方法院我這邊要講明的是我不是說要把這些青少年抓起來關\n而是要青少年進入到法院的時候你願意給他武器你的院方要給下面的警察跟檢調單位武器讓他去共出車手的上方的幕後集團是誰但是對於青少年就應該依照青少年的相關的保護原則\n給予符合他的身心專快的矯正而不是要判重刑這個分析要強調但是你要給他能夠法院當中要給檢察官要給警察這樣的一個力量去供出讓這個青少年去供出上面的首腦才是正版\n好那司法院你如何改善呢司法院還要繼續放縱少年車手成為詐騙集團的人才資料庫嗎好在這邊我們這個少年事件的處理法本期想要問的您認為有沒有要修法的必要本期知道少年事件處理法的主管計方是法務不擔\n真的在做疑審的單位決定要不要疑審要不要繼續偵查的單位是法院所以本席要問如果少年法院過度採取少年保護主義原則讓詐騙集團的首腦大量吸收未成年者成為詐騙流程中最關鍵的前方\n封部隊這個就是顯化好我們來看保護主義原則本席是非常認同的但是法律是基於少年親自會成熟避免對少年造成過度的壓力或侵害這是我們應該要去執行的但是如果法院無限上綱少年保護主義原則也使得警方在偵查當中無法迅速追查幕後組織\n本席要講的是這個但是青少年你應該依照青少年不是要重判而是要好好的給予矯正符合他身心狀況的要給予矯正這才是正辦我再次的第二次的強調好那現況是案件移送少年法庭之後少年法庭具有先議權\n所以檢察官既不能介入警方的偵查權也受限無法繼續偵辦就讓詐騙集團爐爐無人之地搜刮台灣人民的財產幫派及犯罪集團利用這些程序的限制吸收了少年從事犯罪警方難以追緝幕後組織只能查獲少年車手等末端人員溯源效果大打折扣院長提名人你怎麼看呢如果你未來擔任院長如何來解決這樣的問題呢\n委員剛剛對少年犯涉入詐欺集團的詐騙案件,只成了非常非常清楚,可能比我還了解。那成少共犯這個問題確實是一個很大的問題。\n事實上是少年人因為少年犯他不是自己犯罪他是跟成年人一起犯罪你直接告訴我你上任之後你馬上怎麼做這已經是國安議題了也是總統跟國人就算總統沒給他升級到國安議題也是我們全台人民現在最痛苦的一件事情是一點都沒錯那你怎麼做呢你只要告訴我你上任之後你的方法是什麼\n院長我具體建議啦\n就是要把這個少年就是來詢問就是對少年犯也能夠詢問但是現在的問題是警察官可能因為法律限制的關係少年事件處理法的關係所以可能沒有辦法達到目的\n一個月內 召集所有您所有相關的主管跟全國相關的法官在你的下面所屬的相關的人跟這個案子有關的相關的主管來討論有沒有修法的必要 好嗎一個月內可以嗎\n與其你在我這邊跟我講說你的看法我覺得你已經是院長你沒有辦法去你當然院長當中你如何讓你的法官去認同這件事情這才是你讓你的少年法庭的法官能夠認同這件事情你做一個司法院院長怎麼做啊\n第一個你的態度認不認爲你擔任司法院長這個是重中之重少年車手成爲詐騙集團的千鋒部隊搜刮我台灣人民的財產這件事情你的態度是什麼第二個你的做法是什麼 請回答\n這確實是重要問題但是我跟委員報告我現在還沒有上任老師講對司法院的一些業務這個主要是少年家事廳這邊的業務其實我不那麼熟但是我在高檢在任職的時候我曾經聽過同事也跟檢察長討論過這個問題至少你的態度很明確你認為應該責無旁貸的作為優先的處理的業務我想是優先要處理\n好 另外一個議題 這個司法改革的核心是法官如何讓優秀的人才願意擔任法官司法體系依靠的是法官依法獨立審判但是法官過勞的問題如何改善 請具體說明法官過勞的問題其實最主要的案件來源是剛剛委員所提到的詐欺案件\n因為炸氣案件這幾年突然增加那炸氣案件增加這一點司法院其實要減少炸氣案件這一點事實上它有它的困難因為它沒有辦法去直接就是我剛剛有提到在口頭報告的時候提到就是說怎麼減少入口案件量案件是從\n就是檢察官起訴然後送到法院這邊來所以在這個階段我沒有辦法去減少他的案件量就是已經進來我沒有辦法去減少案件量但是有一個問題就是說我也第一個在討論檢討這個問題的時候我也第一項提到就是說從案件的負擔這麼重法官的工作量這麼重當然就是因為人力不夠嘛這才很簡單但是呢\n我們有一個很大的困難就是說我們的總元額法他的規定是非常的嚴格就是因為他不只是處理法官人數的問題他要處理所有公務人員的問題所以他的限制是很大的就是說他限制很高我們盡量去爭取那就法官的人數來講的話那我們會盡力\n希望能夠增援因為在目前的案件量真的是這不是人過人沒辦法所以你認為增加援爾這是你認為要解套的一個良心其中一個辦法包括您在這個詐騙案件量的如何的來減少這件事情你也會來做處理\n是嗎這是兩個您的案件量減少這個東西我們沒有辦法承諾因為這個社員確實不是社員做得到的三天案件量的減少要仰賴偵查機關要仰賴行政部門來幫忙所以增加員額是你認為其中一個辦法還有呢\n那就是我們現在的案件量的負擔當然就是因為程序他比較冗長他程序比較冗長那另外一個就是他的法官的工作的負擔他有兩個方面第一個他很很長時間發停發在月卷開庭這樣子的那另外一個就是製作書類那現在的書類現在的判決書動輒上百頁動輒幾十頁所以他的文書的\n製作的負擔很重那我們會想辦法來減輕他的文書製作的負擔我想這是還蠻重要的這是第二個方案那還有呢\n剛剛也講到程序的問題看是能夠再精簡另外一個就是看有沒有辦法再補充其他的人力比如說退休的人員我們有沒有辦法以什麼樣的方式請他們可以回來幫忙不管是哪一種忙我們都很歡迎\n那再來就是輔助人力的問題,我想法官的人力跟輔助人力的問題,現在有一個很大的問題,就是比如說書記官,現在書記官離朝,離世朝非常的多,非常可怕,就是他現在沒有人願意當書記官,為什麼沒有人願意當書記官,因為待遇很少,\n然後工作量很多所以這個問題我們也要想辦法看怎麼解決一個書記官的待遇甚至可能比法官助理還要少他是一個有職務保障的一個書記官但是他的待遇其實是就工作量來講是算是相當的微薄了那這一點我覺得我們應該來正視這個問題看跟\n就這事項嗎第一個增加法官的援額第二個我們的這個文書的業務量如何的減少第三個整個作業的流程整個檢視整個的這個法官審理的流程如何有簡化的可能性第四個就是對輔助人力例如書記官他的薪資所得的提高就這事項您認為這個是能夠解決法官過勞的現況嗎還有呢\n你們努力了但是其他我想我剛講過我就是我也還沒有上任其實對世華運營的業務也不是非常非常的了解但是我們世華運營有很多各事處有很多人才那有很多專業人員他們對這些問題我想他會比我更深入所以我必須要到時候還要請教以及跟他們討論來怎麼樣來解決問題有沒有其他的辦法\n大把關過牢也納入如果能夠擔任院長的話也擔任您重要的就是首先優先要處理的這個業務嗎是的所以本席提到這兩項如果您未來擔任司法院長第一個處理這個詐騙車手詐騙的問題那第二個跟少年犯有關\n對當然少年犯就青少年擔任車手的一個在這個司法院的體制內當中如何來來減少這樣的如何面對這樣的一個青少年來擔任這個這個詐騙集團的前鋒部隊的議題第二個法官過勞你也是願意擔任願意最優先的來做處理你的業務的首要十大您上任之後的十大業務推動的其中兩項是嗎\n其中兩項 可以講一下好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.529 --> 00:00.549\n請問好\n\n00:09.960 --> 00:39.518\n本協議想針對兩個議題來跟我們院長提名的來做個討論第一個是少年車手成為詐騙集團的主流第二個是法官過勞的問題好我們來看這個幾個數據跟報導在2023年的時候已經有這樣的一個報導少年車手世代的誕生詐欺集團裡一句句殘破屍體堆疊的代價詐騙集團是進得去出不來為的就是詐騙集團的永續經營這樣的狀況有沒有得到緩解沒有在\n\n00:39.818 --> 01:00.670\n今年6月的時候的報導少年色詐五年新高六成當車手跟車手頭這個名詞從哪裡來2017年在台灣自然史上相當特殊的一年一種新型的大宗青少年色法的模式竟遭到非正式的命名根據警政署的統計在2017年色詐的集團\n\n01:04.272 --> 01:29.229\n這個招捕的青少年首度飆破萬人而且已經超越各種青少年犯罪形態因此被管稱為少年車手世代的誕生這正是台灣治安的一大隱憂那司法院的統計全國已進入到法院審理的青少年涉詐的人數除了2017年首度超過一萬人回顧前三年2019到2022年\n\n01:35.194 --> 01:48.469\n9000人以上這樣的青少年好我們再來看這樣的一個詐欺的金流流程那眾所皆知最末端現場趨緩的都是青少年居多的車手\n\n01:48.989 --> 02:16.085\n好最容易逮捕也風險最大因為機房跟地下會隊都在國外警方是難以查緝未成年擔任車手的趨勢是逐年飆升這也是未來司法院長您應該要拿出更好的策略跟作為好我們來看這前端警政署的打詐一張表我就追溯今天是7月9號在7月7號禮拜一的時候當天有481件的詐騙受領\n\n02:18.766 --> 02:29.880\n財產損失當天3億4千萬我就以這個數據一年擴大一年的推估481件一天365天就有17萬5千多件這是報案紀錄\n\n02:34.446 --> 02:52.680\n因天的損失3億4千萬那一年一年來就有1241億這是本期保守枯竹實質的金額是這個的雙倍以上這對我國人跟每個家庭都是傾天霹靂而且是難以堪受的打擊\n\n02:53.460 --> 03:07.709\n好警方這麼的努力那我們來看法院的部分這個表是司法院司法業務年報當中取得的他以地方法院少年刑事第一審的訴訟案件終結的案子\n\n03:09.510 --> 03:37.882\n你看三年半前有111年15件112年16件這都終結了113年16件今年未過半1到5月3件這表示什麼意思呢也就是說每年上萬名的涉詐行為的青少年真的到了司法院不管是少年法庭或者是地方法院真正被判刑的比例是相當低\n\n03:38.462 --> 04:00.456\n百分之一都不到所以未來司法院長就應該責務方帶去正視青少年參與詐欺逐年飆升的趨勢又要減少青少年參與詐騙又要保護被害人的權益好我們再來提供前端的警察人員是多麼的認真這是三年半前他們捕捉到車手\n\n04:02.037 --> 04:09.843\n這個少年擔任車手的部分111年685人112年雙倍了1279年113年再雙倍2354年4人再到今年還未過半1到5月已經1192人前5個月已經達到112年前年的\n\n04:25.415 --> 04:41.353\n總年度逮捕的車手的人數了這個數據呈現什麼了詐騙集團非常樂意讓青少年當車手來規避這個責任金三祖在前端認真的查緝實時進入到司法院審判的程序\n\n04:42.053 --> 04:48.841\n青少年的案件卻非常偏少不管是在少年法庭或者是地方法院我這邊要講明的是我不是說要把這些青少年抓起來關\n\n04:57.891 --> 05:16.734\n而是要青少年進入到法院的時候你願意給他武器你的院方要給下面的警察跟檢調單位武器讓他去共出車手的上方的幕後集團是誰但是對於青少年就應該依照青少年的相關的保護原則\n\n05:17.835 --> 05:33.805\n給予符合他的身心專快的矯正而不是要判重刑這個分析要強調但是你要給他能夠法院當中要給檢察官要給警察這樣的一個力量去供出讓這個青少年去供出上面的首腦才是正版\n\n05:34.765 --> 05:57.725\n好那司法院你如何改善呢司法院還要繼續放縱少年車手成為詐騙集團的人才資料庫嗎好在這邊我們這個少年事件的處理法本期想要問的您認為有沒有要修法的必要本期知道少年事件處理法的主管計方是法務不擔\n\n05:58.906 --> 06:18.890\n真的在做疑審的單位決定要不要疑審要不要繼續偵查的單位是法院所以本席要問如果少年法院過度採取少年保護主義原則讓詐騙集團的首腦大量吸收未成年者成為詐騙流程中最關鍵的前方\n\n06:19.070 --> 06:43.890\n封部隊這個就是顯化好我們來看保護主義原則本席是非常認同的但是法律是基於少年親自會成熟避免對少年造成過度的壓力或侵害這是我們應該要去執行的但是如果法院無限上綱少年保護主義原則也使得警方在偵查當中無法迅速追查幕後組織\n\n06:45.111 --> 07:02.916\n本席要講的是這個但是青少年你應該依照青少年不是要重判而是要好好的給予矯正符合他身心狀況的要給予矯正這才是正辦我再次的第二次的強調好那現況是案件移送少年法庭之後少年法庭具有先議權\n\n07:04.355 --> 07:31.960\n所以檢察官既不能介入警方的偵查權也受限無法繼續偵辦就讓詐騙集團爐爐無人之地搜刮台灣人民的財產幫派及犯罪集團利用這些程序的限制吸收了少年從事犯罪警方難以追緝幕後組織只能查獲少年車手等末端人員溯源效果大打折扣院長提名人你怎麼看呢如果你未來擔任院長如何來解決這樣的問題呢\n\n07:34.581 --> 07:48.161\n委員剛剛對少年犯涉入詐欺集團的詐騙案件,只成了非常非常清楚,可能比我還了解。那成少共犯這個問題確實是一個很大的問題。\n\n07:50.885 --> 08:13.030\n事實上是少年人因為少年犯他不是自己犯罪他是跟成年人一起犯罪你直接告訴我你上任之後你馬上怎麼做這已經是國安議題了也是總統跟國人就算總統沒給他升級到國安議題也是我們全台人民現在最痛苦的一件事情是一點都沒錯那你怎麼做呢你只要告訴我你上任之後你的方法是什麼\n\n08:13.746 --> 08:14.026\n院長我具體建議啦\n\n08:32.888 --> 08:47.896\n就是要把這個少年就是來詢問就是對少年犯也能夠詢問但是現在的問題是警察官可能因為法律限制的關係少年事件處理法的關係所以可能沒有辦法達到目的\n\n08:52.998 --> 09:11.566\n一個月內召集所有您所有相關的主管跟全國相關的法官在你的下面所屬的相關的人跟這個案子有關的相關的主管來討論有沒有修法的必要好嗎一個月內可以嗎\n\n09:12.786 --> 09:29.620\n與其你在我這邊跟我講說你的看法我覺得你已經是院長你沒有辦法去你當然院長當中你如何讓你的法官去認同這件事情這才是你讓你的少年法庭的法官能夠認同這件事情你做一個司法院院長怎麼做啊\n\n09:31.407 --> 09:34.469\n第一個你的態度認不認爲你擔任司法院長這個是重中之重少年車手成爲詐騙集團的千鋒部隊搜刮我台灣人民的財產這件事情你的態度是什麼第二個你的做法是什麼請回答\n\n09:47.178 --> 10:08.648\n這確實是重要問題但是我跟委員報告我現在還沒有上任老師講對司法院的一些業務這個主要是少年家事廳這邊的業務其實我不那麼熟但是我在高檢在任職的時候我曾經聽過同事也跟檢察長討論過這個問題至少你的態度很明確你認為應該責無旁貸的作為優先的處理的業務我想是優先要處理\n\n10:16.492 --> 10:37.592\n好另外一個議題這個司法改革的核心是法官如何讓優秀的人才願意擔任法官司法體系依靠的是法官依法獨立審判但是法官過勞的問題如何改善請具體說明法官過勞的問題其實最主要的案件來源是剛剛委員所提到的詐欺案件\n\n10:38.427 --> 10:58.667\n因為炸氣案件這幾年突然增加那炸氣案件增加這一點司法院其實要減少炸氣案件這一點事實上它有它的困難因為它沒有辦法去直接就是我剛剛有提到在口頭報告的時候提到就是說怎麼減少入口案件量案件是從\n\n11:00.203 --> 11:26.861\n就是檢察官起訴然後送到法院這邊來所以在這個階段我沒有辦法去減少他的案件量就是已經進來我沒有辦法去減少案件量但是有一個問題就是說我也第一個在討論檢討這個問題的時候我也第一項提到就是說從案件的負擔這麼重法官的工作量這麼重當然就是因為人力不夠嘛這才很簡單但是呢\n\n11:27.722 --> 11:48.948\n我們有一個很大的困難就是說我們的總元額法他的規定是非常的嚴格就是因為他不只是處理法官人數的問題他要處理所有公務人員的問題所以他的限制是很大的就是說他限制很高我們盡量去爭取那就法官的人數來講的話那我們會盡力\n\n11:53.090 --> 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15:19.555\n你們努力了但是其他我想我剛講過我就是我也還沒有上任其實對世華運營的業務也不是非常非常的了解但是我們世華運營有很多各事處有很多人才那有很多專業人員他們對這些問題我想他會比我更深入所以我必須要到時候還要請教以及跟他們討論來怎麼樣來解決問題有沒有其他的辦法\n\n15:19.875 --> 15:36.861\n大把關過牢也納入如果能夠擔任院長的話也擔任您重要的就是首先優先要處理的這個業務嗎是的所以本席提到這兩項如果您未來擔任司法院長第一個處理這個詐騙車手詐騙的問題那第二個跟少年犯有關\n\n15:42.286 --> 16:09.568\n對當然少年犯就青少年擔任車手的一個在這個司法院的體制內當中如何來來減少這樣的如何面對這樣的一個青少年來擔任這個這個詐騙集團的前鋒部隊的議題第二個法官過勞你也是願意擔任願意最優先的來做處理你的業務的首要十大您上任之後的十大業務推動的其中兩項是嗎\n\n16:10.669 --> 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警方這麼的努力那我們來看法院的部分這個表是司法院司法業務年報當中取得的他以地方法院少年刑事第一審的訴訟案件終結的案子"},{"start":189.51,"end":217.882,"text":"你看三年半前有111年15件112年16件這都終結了113年16件今年未過半1到5月3件這表示什麼意思呢也就是說每年上萬名的涉詐行為的青少年真的到了司法院不管是少年法庭或者是地方法院真正被判刑的比例是相當低"},{"start":218.462,"end":240.456,"text":"百分之一都不到所以未來司法院長就應該責務方帶去正視青少年參與詐欺逐年飆升的趨勢又要減少青少年參與詐騙又要保護被害人的權益好我們再來提供前端的警察人員是多麼的認真這是三年半前他們捕捉到車手"},{"start":242.037,"end":249.843,"text":"這個少年擔任車手的部分111年685人112年雙倍了1279年113年再雙倍2354年4人再到今年還未過半1到5月已經1192人前5個月已經達到112年前年的"},{"start":265.415,"end":281.353,"text":"總年度逮捕的車手的人數了這個數據呈現什麼了詐騙集團非常樂意讓青少年當車手來規避這個責任金三祖在前端認真的查緝實時進入到司法院審判的程序"},{"start":282.053,"end":288.841,"text":"青少年的案件卻非常偏少不管是在少年法庭或者是地方法院我這邊要講明的是我不是說要把這些青少年抓起來關"},{"start":297.891,"end":316.734,"text":"而是要青少年進入到法院的時候你願意給他武器你的院方要給下面的警察跟檢調單位武器讓他去共出車手的上方的幕後集團是誰但是對於青少年就應該依照青少年的相關的保護原則"},{"start":317.835,"end":333.805,"text":"給予符合他的身心專快的矯正而不是要判重刑這個分析要強調但是你要給他能夠法院當中要給檢察官要給警察這樣的一個力量去供出讓這個青少年去供出上面的首腦才是正版"},{"start":334.765,"end":357.725,"text":"好那司法院你如何改善呢司法院還要繼續放縱少年車手成為詐騙集團的人才資料庫嗎好在這邊我們這個少年事件的處理法本期想要問的您認為有沒有要修法的必要本期知道少年事件處理法的主管計方是法務不擔"},{"start":358.906,"end":378.89,"text":"真的在做疑審的單位決定要不要疑審要不要繼續偵查的單位是法院所以本席要問如果少年法院過度採取少年保護主義原則讓詐騙集團的首腦大量吸收未成年者成為詐騙流程中最關鍵的前方"},{"start":379.07,"end":403.89,"text":"封部隊這個就是顯化好我們來看保護主義原則本席是非常認同的但是法律是基於少年親自會成熟避免對少年造成過度的壓力或侵害這是我們應該要去執行的但是如果法院無限上綱少年保護主義原則也使得警方在偵查當中無法迅速追查幕後組織"},{"start":405.111,"end":422.916,"text":"本席要講的是這個但是青少年你應該依照青少年不是要重判而是要好好的給予矯正符合他身心狀況的要給予矯正這才是正辦我再次的第二次的強調好那現況是案件移送少年法庭之後少年法庭具有先議權"},{"start":424.355,"end":451.96,"text":"所以檢察官既不能介入警方的偵查權也受限無法繼續偵辦就讓詐騙集團爐爐無人之地搜刮台灣人民的財產幫派及犯罪集團利用這些程序的限制吸收了少年從事犯罪警方難以追緝幕後組織只能查獲少年車手等末端人員溯源效果大打折扣院長提名人你怎麼看呢如果你未來擔任院長如何來解決這樣的問題呢"},{"start":454.581,"end":468.161,"text":"委員剛剛對少年犯涉入詐欺集團的詐騙案件,只成了非常非常清楚,可能比我還了解。那成少共犯這個問題確實是一個很大的問題。"},{"start":470.885,"end":493.03,"text":"事實上是少年人因為少年犯他不是自己犯罪他是跟成年人一起犯罪你直接告訴我你上任之後你馬上怎麼做這已經是國安議題了也是總統跟國人就算總統沒給他升級到國安議題也是我們全台人民現在最痛苦的一件事情是一點都沒錯那你怎麼做呢你只要告訴我你上任之後你的方法是什麼"},{"start":493.746,"end":494.026,"text":"院長我具體建議啦"},{"start":512.888,"end":527.896,"text":"就是要把這個少年就是來詢問就是對少年犯也能夠詢問但是現在的問題是警察官可能因為法律限制的關係少年事件處理法的關係所以可能沒有辦法達到目的"},{"start":532.998,"end":551.566,"text":"一個月內 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請具體說明法官過勞的問題其實最主要的案件來源是剛剛委員所提到的詐欺案件"},{"start":638.427,"end":658.667,"text":"因為炸氣案件這幾年突然增加那炸氣案件增加這一點司法院其實要減少炸氣案件這一點事實上它有它的困難因為它沒有辦法去直接就是我剛剛有提到在口頭報告的時候提到就是說怎麼減少入口案件量案件是從"},{"start":660.203,"end":686.861,"text":"就是檢察官起訴然後送到法院這邊來所以在這個階段我沒有辦法去減少他的案件量就是已經進來我沒有辦法去減少案件量但是有一個問題就是說我也第一個在討論檢討這個問題的時候我也第一項提到就是說從案件的負擔這麼重法官的工作量這麼重當然就是因為人力不夠嘛這才很簡單但是呢"},{"start":687.722,"end":708.948,"text":"我們有一個很大的困難就是說我們的總元額法他的規定是非常的嚴格就是因為他不只是處理法官人數的問題他要處理所有公務人員的問題所以他的限制是很大的就是說他限制很高我們盡量去爭取那就法官的人數來講的話那我們會盡力"},{"start":713.09,"end":732.11,"text":"希望能夠增援因為在目前的案件量真的是這不是人過人沒辦法所以你認為增加援爾這是你認為要解套的一個良心其中一個辦法包括您在這個詐騙案件量的如何的來減少這件事情你也會來做處理"},{"start":733.391,"end":753.669,"text":"是嗎這是兩個您的案件量減少這個東西我們沒有辦法承諾因為這個社員確實不是社員做得到的三天案件量的減少要仰賴偵查機關要仰賴行政部門來幫忙所以增加員額是你認為其中一個辦法還有呢"},{"start":757.594,"end":781.45,"text":"那就是我們現在的案件量的負擔當然就是因為程序他比較冗長他程序比較冗長那另外一個就是他的法官的工作的負擔他有兩個方面第一個他很很長時間發停發在月卷開庭這樣子的那另外一個就是製作書類那現在的書類現在的判決書動輒上百頁動輒幾十頁所以他的文書的"},{"start":788.596,"end":799.393,"text":"製作的負擔很重那我們會想辦法來減輕他的文書製作的負擔我想這是還蠻重要的這是第二個方案那還有呢"},{"start":800.656,"end":819.084,"text":"剛剛也講到程序的問題看是能夠再精簡另外一個就是看有沒有辦法再補充其他的人力比如說退休的人員我們有沒有辦法以什麼樣的方式請他們可以回來幫忙不管是哪一種忙我們都很歡迎"},{"start":819.784,"end":835.758,"text":"那再來就是輔助人力的問題,我想法官的人力跟輔助人力的問題,現在有一個很大的問題,就是比如說書記官,現在書記官離朝,離世朝非常的多,非常可怕,就是他現在沒有人願意當書記官,為什麼沒有人願意當書記官,因為待遇很少,"},{"start":836.687,"end":857.975,"text":"然後工作量很多所以這個問題我們也要想辦法看怎麼解決一個書記官的待遇甚至可能比法官助理還要少他是一個有職務保障的一個書記官但是他的待遇其實是就工作量來講是算是相當的微薄了那這一點我覺得我們應該來正視這個問題看跟"},{"start":862.796,"end":887.761,"text":"就這事項嗎第一個增加法官的援額第二個我們的這個文書的業務量如何的減少第三個整個作業的流程整個檢視整個的這個法官審理的流程如何有簡化的可能性第四個就是對輔助人力例如書記官他的薪資所得的提高就這事項您認為這個是能夠解決法官過勞的現況嗎還有呢"},{"start":890.967,"end":919.555,"text":"你們努力了但是其他我想我剛講過我就是我也還沒有上任其實對世華運營的業務也不是非常非常的了解但是我們世華運營有很多各事處有很多人才那有很多專業人員他們對這些問題我想他會比我更深入所以我必須要到時候還要請教以及跟他們討論來怎麼樣來解決問題有沒有其他的辦法"},{"start":919.875,"end":936.861,"text":"大把關過牢也納入如果能夠擔任院長的話也擔任您重要的就是首先優先要處理的這個業務嗎是的所以本席提到這兩項如果您未來擔任司法院長第一個處理這個詐騙車手詐騙的問題那第二個跟少年犯有關"},{"start":942.286,"end":969.568,"text":"對當然少年犯就青少年擔任車手的一個在這個司法院的體制內當中如何來來減少這樣的如何面對這樣的一個青少年來擔任這個這個詐騙集團的前鋒部隊的議題第二個法官過勞你也是願意擔任願意最優先的來做處理你的業務的首要十大您上任之後的十大業務推動的其中兩項是嗎"},{"start":970.669,"end":971.651,"text":"其中兩項 可以講一下好 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