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00:01:16,545\n我到現場那其實7月7號之後我們多次到嘉義跟台南你有到現場看到新聞廠的情況嗎好那我給各位看一下最新的畫面這個是昨天下午最新的畫面我到現場去看到的這個是嘉義新聞致紅池大家可以看到這個是大量的這個光電板已經變成是大型的廢棄物次長你有去你自己有看到嗎\n\n4\n00:01:18,444 --> 00:01:41,818\n完全到現在還沒有清理你有看到這個畫面嗎大家看一下第二張跟委員說明剛剛邱正軍委員在質詢的時候他有一張照片照片其實跟這個照片其實是不同角度的那現在的話我們因為嘉義地區我們現在還有1000多戶還沒有復電那我們需要環境清理跟讓居民的生活快速恢復安定所以他\n\n5\n00:01:42,498 --> 00:02:07,873\n我是在問你你有沒有看過這樣的一個畫面很近的看到這些光電板被破壞然後在製紅紙上面的畫面不是空拍畫面不是空拍畫面這個我是有看到但是沒有這麼近用望遠鏡去看這個沒有你其實近一點就可以看到不用望遠鏡來再下一張這個是我們在現場看到就在昨天下午\n\n6\n00:02:08,833 --> 00:02:34,580\n這個是大量的廢棄的光電板就在滯洪池上面這個是如果你要告訴我說這個對於環境完全沒有影響這樣的一個照片我想可以去問問一般民眾看到的觀感這樣亂七八糟然後破碎的光電板然後就在滯洪池上面大量堆置還沒有清理\n\n7\n00:02:35,441 --> 00:02:50,392\n那這個現在大家還在防所謂的登革熱它很多的那個凹槽你們仔細看它上面有些浮板翻拐上面有凹槽它的那個積水你環境部還要叫人家去清那個登革熱這一種你如果不趕快清的話不會造成環境的影響嗎為什麼這個部長跟次長講話都那麼大聲說這個對環境完全都沒有影響怎麼可能\n\n8\n00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:23,489\n眼睛所見這樣子的一個亂七八糟的東西就擺在那邊都環境沒有影響而且你仔細看它有一些那個整個氧化的已經非常的嚴重那個水的顏色就是變得越來越深而且它積在那個浮板上面的那些水我真的很擔心那個解決就是各方面的這一些如果造成環境的污染請問這個\n\n9\n00:03:24,730 --> 00:03:45,480\n要怎麼辦謝謝委員的指導那再後趕快在區內去做檢診這是必要的那除此之外老法跟委員跟但是都沒有在動我跟各位講已經超過到今天9天了不是我昨天在現場看的情況沒有任何的吊車施工單位在清這一些在滋洪池上面的\n\n10\n00:03:45,920 --> 00:04:13,572\n沒有施工作宴他順序是旁邊的一些有關於民眾生活的道路他因為有飛過去那一邊他先檢診這是第一個第二個部分的話新溫滯洪池顧名思義它的主要的效能它就是一個濕式的滯洪池它在平時的時候在這個滯洪池裡面就是會有水了它並不是一個所謂的我們一般水力設置的我不是在跟你講那些水我是說你浮板上面還積水\n\n11\n00:04:16,448 --> 00:04:34,207\n你有沒有仔細看這些土那個細的那個土上面你那個浮板上面的凹槽上面還有積水這樣那個積水我就問環境部部長這樣的積水會不會對於環境會滋生一些並沒穩會不會我們請那個部長來回答那當然我們這個是我們要防治的重點對\n\n12\n00:04:35,348 --> 00:05:00,923\n對啊但是現在大量在這邊喔還沒有清喔我們其實從這個上禮拜就一直在注意這個事情那你有要求業者嗎已經9天了耶有我們已經要求業者要儘速處理然後我們勢必其實我們昨天本來就要開罰單了但是其實也考量到他們也是受災戶我們有限期給他們一點點時間等下說他們也答應了所以而且他們說什麼時候要開始動手我到昨天\n\n13\n00:05:03,124 --> 00:05:26,986\n下午去看靜悄悄的都沒有在做任何事情其實第一個是說他們這幾個都是就是他必須要跟這個保險公司去勘查我覺得那是兩件事情啊對但是因為我們要求他一定要集中到一個地方妥善的當成事業廢棄物來處理甚至我們也協調是不是找一塊地能夠到一個地方去擺置不要這樣廢在這個地方你們這個速度真的是太慢了\n\n14\n00:05:27,466 --> 00:05:31,310\n因為我以昨天你看這張圖我以昨天在現場看的這個情況坦白講我蠻擔心的就是這當中每一個浮板上面都是凹槽都是積水然後看起來這個對環境都會產生下一波的這個危害我們夏天還在防止登革熱\n\n15\n00:05:45,686 --> 00:06:04,725\n那這個東西如果大量的這個已經被滋生出來怎麼辦你們環境部要守護環境的安全嗎如果這個我們會再請環管署再看我們是不是要如果是登革熱的話我們勢必會再去開罰再做處理你們自己的人那署長有到現場你有看到這個凹槽積水嗎你覺得這個不嚴重嗎\n\n16\n00:06:06,026 --> 00:06:20,836\n委員我有到現場委員照的地方是那個鐵橋那個地方然後你前一張照片是在哪一個建築那個地方我的鞋子還有很多泥巴我也是有去看過那這個確實我們會擔心所以有要求業者要競訴清楚那如果太久沒有清楚的話你的競訴是什麼時候是\n\n17\n00:06:33,425 --> 00:06:57,735\n一個合理的時間嘛他們現在是跟廠商有簽約啦今天過了已經10天了所以你要求他什麼時候要開始清啊我所知道他們跟清除處理回收業者已經有簽訂合約那我們有去實際上了解回收業者要多久可以完成他們說大概清很快大概幾天就可以完成了這個禮拜可以嗎這個要看他們最後簽約\n\n18\n00:07:02,517 --> 00:07:22,385\n這一個依照各案場不同的人不同的要求這個案場確實比較大但是開始清的時間他會先把這個容易造成登革熱這個部分先清除那整個清除完畢我們是希望他在這個最大場是在兩個禮拜之內清完小場一個禮拜之內把他清完以上\n\n19\n00:07:22,605 --> 00:07:36,382\n你這一個趕快清吧我真的覺得這一個可能會造成下一波的爆發這個疾病的傳染可能會從這邊開始那現場看起來真的你還是比較早看我是昨天看我覺得那現場的狀況已經是不好了你昨天也有去看\n\n20\n00:07:37,369 --> 00:07:58,289\n那你應該更擔心啊對啊這個狀況我覺得是不OK的所以部長你要拿出魄力要求業者即刻趕快去清除不要造成下一波的這個感染那另外一個我要問的就是說這次大家看到無論是這個滯洪池上面設置的或者是海上設置的都經不起這次的風災那個受損的情況其實是大的\n\n21\n00:08:01,992 --> 00:08:25,139\n那為什麼之前不需要經過好好的評估呢就你們現行的這個所有的環評措施裡面滯洪池上面的不在你的環評啊對不對海上的也不是啊海上的這個是試驗的性質他剛才是試驗他也沒有你們的角色啊對不對試驗過程你們沒有加入意見因為他還沒有接電所以其實目前這個是一個試驗以後我們可以考慮\n\n22\n00:08:25,979 --> 00:08:30,483\n因為你看它一散連澎湖都飄過去了這個跟你環境部當然有關係啊我們贊成可以去發展我們的綠電但是你發展綠電的過程你一定要跟你的環境永續它其實是要平衡的才有可能嘛\n\n23\n00:08:42,634 --> 00:08:50,556\n如果你是不顧一切的就是大量的去開發大量的去種電然後一個風災就讓它現行就讓大家感受到說如果你前面沒有適度去管制跟踩煞車把後面的它夠不夠牢固它對環境會不會產生什麼樣的迫害就是做一個適度的管制的話那後面你就看到這一次的情況嘉義縣新溫的這一個整個就讓大家看到它的整個受損的大概是四成的面積\n\n24\n00:09:11,241 --> 00:09:29,053\n五萬片那個量體其實也是非常的大那那個整個都會變成是我們環境的負擔而且我擔心你這個可以去化嗎就是你這麼大量的光電板你的去化的模式是什麼像我看那些浮板大概都是塑膠啊那你塑膠怎麼處理那麼大的量體\n\n25\n00:09:30,069 --> 00:09:57,803\n塑膠其實它有它的回收的體質沒有問題然後我們光電板目前可以全回收大概92%左右沒有問題然後它那些塑膠其實下面都附滿了藻類你如果近看的話它不是乾淨的塑膠它的那個圖片你近看那個署長有去看嗎你看到的它的那個浮板本身我不知道它吸附了什麼東西它不是一個乾淨的浮板所以我覺得它的那個回收恐怕也沒有那麼容易\n\n26\n00:09:58,183 --> 00:10:20,595\n它怎麼樣去去除去除掉之後再回收所以這個我覺得就是你環境部在我們整個經濟開發過程當中我們為什麼要說環境部就是我們經濟發展跟環境永續它必須是並存的嘛不能只是有一個就是著重經濟發展就是往前衝嘛才需要環境部才需要你們升格啊所以這件事情我覺得\n\n27\n00:10:21,455 --> 00:10:40,369\n這個部長希望你可以好好的去把關包括後續的這一些整個處理我剛剛講新聞這一個我很擔心他爆發下一次是疾病傳染的問題因為他那個凹槽積水看起來已經好幾天這看起來是不妙的你們要趕快處理第二個是未來的你的整個環評\n\n28\n00:10:42,030 --> 00:11:10,599\n看起來你現在的環評還是有所不足你這個部分應該要把它納入就是你的環評的機制裡面加入環境部的把關這個可以做嗎可以我們這個部分因為這個部分有涉及到目的世界主管機關能源署的權責還有我們那我們現在我們1月的時候已經加演了齁那但是當然我們知道社會各種各界希望能夠更演那這個部分呢我們也會再進行再討論那甚至加入公民的參與在裡面\n\n29\n00:11:11,539 --> 00:11:18,106\n好我覺得這次的這個整個風災過後我們不希望對於環境造成這麼大的一個傷害\n\n30\n00:11:19,434 --> 00:11:45,384\n那新溫的這一個真的趕快去處理喔如果再變成是下一波這一個疾病傳染的源頭我覺得這個對於災民真的情何以堪不能有再第二次好不好不過我們報告那個因為這是第一次颱風在嘉義登陸啦所以那個附近布袋的這個極端值是真的是極端值所以你們要加緊嘛就是說有一些你們該善後的就加緊嘛該清除的你覺得要加緊嘛都已經十天了好不好謝謝好謝謝謝謝翁委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6945\t12356\t謝謝主席我們是不是有請環境部部長還有我們經濟部的這個次長部長好\n19332\t44291\t那個我要請教部長跟市長就是這整個丹納斯風災過後這一些光電的廢棄物其中嘉義縣的興溫它其實是很大的一個受災戶請問兩位你們有前進到現場去看現場的情況嗎部長去了嗎 包委員我是請我的署長去看然後我其實從受災之後每天都跟地方環保局所以你沒有到現場我沒有到現場那個經濟部呢經濟部市長有到現場嗎\n47273\t76545\t我到現場那其實7月7號之後我們多次到嘉義跟台南你有到現場看到新聞廠的情況嗎好那我給各位看一下最新的畫面這個是昨天下午最新的畫面我到現場去看到的這個是嘉義新聞致紅池大家可以看到這個是大量的這個光電板已經變成是大型的廢棄物次長你有去你自己有看到嗎\n78444\t101818\t完全到現在還沒有清理 你有看到這個畫面嗎 大家看一下 第二張跟委員說明 剛剛邱正軍委員在質詢的時候他有一張照片 照片其實跟這個照片其實是不同角度的那現在的話我們因為嘉義地區我們現在還有1000多戶還沒有復電那我們需要環境清理跟讓居民的生活快速恢復安定 所以他\n102498\t127873\t我是在問你 你有沒有看過這樣的一個畫面很近的看到這些光電板被破壞然後在製紅紙上面的畫面不是空拍畫面不是空拍畫面 這個我是有看到但是沒有這麼近用望遠鏡去看這個沒有 你其實近一點就可以看到不用望遠鏡來 再下一張這個是我們在現場看到就在昨天下午\n128833\t154580\t這個是大量的廢棄的光電板就在滯洪池上面這個是如果你要告訴我說這個對於環境完全沒有影響這樣的一個照片我想可以去問問一般民眾看到的觀感這樣亂七八糟然後破碎的光電板然後就在滯洪池上面大量堆置還沒有清理\n155441\t170392\t那這個現在大家還在防所謂的登革熱它很多的那個凹槽你們仔細看它上面有些浮板翻拐上面有凹槽它的那個積水你環境部還要叫人家去清那個登革熱這一種你如果不趕快清的話不會造成環境的影響嗎為什麼這個部長跟次長講話都那麼大聲說這個對環境完全都沒有影響怎麼可能\n182160\t203489\t眼睛所見這樣子的一個亂七八糟的東西就擺在那邊都環境沒有影響而且你仔細看它有一些那個整個氧化的已經非常的嚴重那個水的顏色就是變得越來越深而且它積在那個浮板上面的那些水我真的很擔心那個解決就是各方面的這一些如果造成環境的污染請問這個\n204730\t225480\t要怎麼辦謝謝委員的指導那再後趕快在區內去做檢診這是必要的那除此之外老法跟委員跟但是都沒有在動我跟各位講已經超過到今天9天了不是我昨天在現場看的情況沒有任何的吊車施工單位在清這一些在滋洪池上面的\n225920\t253572\t沒有施工作宴他順序是旁邊的一些有關於民眾生活的道路他因為有飛過去那一邊他先檢診這是第一個第二個部分的話新溫滯洪池顧名思義它的主要的效能它就是一個濕式的滯洪池它在平時的時候在這個滯洪池裡面就是會有水了它並不是一個所謂的我們一般水力設置的我不是在跟你講那些水我是說你浮板上面還積水\n256448\t274207\t你有沒有仔細看這些土那個細的那個土上面你那個浮板上面的凹槽上面還有積水這樣那個積水我就問環境部部長這樣的積水會不會對於環境會滋生一些並沒穩會不會我們請那個部長來回答那當然我們這個是我們要防治的重點對\n275348\t300923\t對啊 但是現在大量在這邊喔還沒有清喔我們其實從這個上禮拜就一直在注意這個事情那你有要求業者嗎已經9天了耶有 我們已經要求業者要儘速處理然後我們勢必其實我們昨天本來就要開罰單了但是其實也考量到他們也是受災戶我們有限期給他們一點點時間等下說他們也答應了所以而且他們說什麼時候要開始動手我到昨天\n303124\t326986\t下午去看靜悄悄的都沒有在做任何事情其實第一個是說他們這幾個都是就是他必須要跟這個保險公司去勘查我覺得那是兩件事情啊對 但是因為我們要求他一定要集中到一個地方妥善的當成事業廢棄物來處理甚至我們也協調是不是找一塊地能夠到一個地方去擺置不要這樣廢在這個地方你們這個速度真的是太慢了\n327466\t331310\t因為我以昨天你看這張圖我以昨天在現場看的這個情況坦白講我蠻擔心的就是這當中每一個浮板上面都是凹槽都是積水然後看起來這個對環境都會產生下一波的這個危害我們夏天還在防止登革熱\n345686\t364725\t那這個東西如果大量的這個已經被滋生出來怎麼辦你們環境部要守護環境的安全嗎如果這個我們會再請環管署再看我們是不是要如果是登革熱的話我們勢必會再去開罰再做處理你們自己的人那署長有到現場你有看到這個凹槽積水嗎你覺得這個不嚴重嗎\n366026\t380836\t委員我有到現場委員照的地方是那個鐵橋那個地方然後你前一張照片是在哪一個建築那個地方我的鞋子還有很多泥巴我也是有去看過那這個確實我們會擔心所以有要求業者要競訴清楚那如果太久沒有清楚的話你的競訴是什麼時候是\n393425\t417735\t一個合理的時間嘛 他們現在是跟廠商有簽約啦今天過了已經10天了所以你要求他什麼時候要開始清啊我所知道他們跟清除處理回收業者已經有簽訂合約那我們有去實際上了解回收業者要多久可以完成他們說大概清很快大概幾天就可以完成了這個禮拜可以嗎這個要看他們最後簽約\n422517\t442385\t這一個依照各案場不同的人不同的要求這個案場確實比較大但是開始清的時間他會先把這個容易造成登革熱這個部分先清除那整個清除完畢我們是希望他在這個最大場是在兩個禮拜之內清完小場一個禮拜之內把他清完以上\n442605\t456382\t你這一個趕快清吧我真的覺得這一個可能會造成下一波的爆發這個疾病的傳染可能會從這邊開始那現場看起來真的你還是比較早看我是昨天看我覺得那現場的狀況已經是不好了你昨天也有去看\n457369\t478289\t那你應該更擔心啊對啊這個狀況我覺得是不OK的所以部長你要拿出魄力要求業者即刻趕快去清除不要造成下一波的這個感染那另外一個我要問的就是說這次大家看到無論是這個滯洪池上面設置的或者是海上設置的都經不起這次的風災那個受損的情況其實是大的\n481992\t505139\t那為什麼之前不需要經過好好的評估呢就你們現行的這個所有的環評措施裡面滯洪池上面的不在你的環評啊對不對海上的也不是啊海上的這個是試驗的性質他剛才是試驗他也沒有你們的角色啊對不對試驗過程你們沒有加入意見因為他還沒有接電所以其實目前這個是一個試驗以後我們可以考慮\n505979\t510483\t因為你看它一散連澎湖都飄過去了這個跟你環境部當然有關係啊我們贊成可以去發展我們的綠電但是你發展綠電的過程你一定要跟你的環境永續它其實是要平衡的才有可能嘛\n522634\t530556\t如果你是不顧一切的就是大量的去開發大量的去種電然後一個風災就讓它現行就讓大家感受到說如果你前面沒有適度去管制跟踩煞車把後面的它夠不夠牢固它對環境會不會產生什麼樣的迫害就是做一個適度的管制的話那後面你就看到這一次的情況嘉義縣新溫的這一個整個就讓大家看到它的整個受損的大概是四成的面積\n551241\t569053\t五萬片那個量體其實也是非常的大那那個整個都會變成是我們環境的負擔而且我擔心你這個可以去化嗎就是你這麼大量的光電板你的去化的模式是什麼像我看那些浮板大概都是塑膠啊那你塑膠怎麼處理那麼大的量體\n570069\t597803\t塑膠其實它有它的回收的體質沒有問題然後我們光電板目前可以全回收大概92%左右沒有問題然後它那些塑膠其實下面都附滿了藻類你如果近看的話它不是乾淨的塑膠它的那個圖片你近看那個署長有去看嗎你看到的它的那個浮板本身我不知道它吸附了什麼東西它不是一個乾淨的浮板所以我覺得它的那個回收恐怕也沒有那麼容易\n598183\t620595\t它怎麼樣去去除去除掉之後再回收所以這個我覺得就是你環境部在我們整個經濟開發過程當中我們為什麼要說環境部就是我們經濟發展跟環境永續它必須是並存的嘛不能只是有一個就是著重經濟發展就是往前衝嘛才需要環境部才需要你們升格啊所以這件事情我覺得\n621455\t640369\t這個部長希望你可以好好的去把關包括後續的這一些整個處理我剛剛講新聞這一個我很擔心他爆發下一次是疾病傳染的問題因為他那個凹槽積水看起來已經好幾天這看起來是不妙的你們要趕快處理第二個是未來的你的整個環評\n642030\t670599\t看起來你現在的環評還是有所不足你這個部分應該要把它納入就是你的環評的機制裡面加入環境部的把關這個可以做嗎可以我們這個部分因為這個部分有涉及到目的世界主管機關能源署的權責還有我們那我們現在我們1月的時候已經加演了齁那但是當然我們知道社會各種各界希望能夠更演那這個部分呢我們也會再進行再討論那甚至加入公民的參與在裡面\n671539\t678106\t好我覺得這次的這個整個風災過後我們不希望對於環境造成這麼大的一個傷害\n679434\t705384\t那新溫的這一個真的趕快去處理喔如果再變成是下一波這一個疾病傳染的源頭我覺得這個對於災民真的情何以堪不能有再第二次好不好不過我們報告那個因為這是第一次颱風在嘉義登陸啦所以那個附近布袋的這個極端值是真的是極端值所以你們要加緊嘛就是說有一些你們該善後的就加緊嘛該清除的你覺得要加緊嘛都已經十天了好不好謝謝好謝謝謝謝翁委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們是不是有請環境部部長還有我們經濟部的這個次長部長好\n那個我要請教部長跟市長就是這整個丹納斯風災過後這一些光電的廢棄物其中嘉義縣的興溫它其實是很大的一個受災戶請問兩位你們有前進到現場去看現場的情況嗎部長去了嗎 包委員我是請我的署長去看然後我其實從受災之後每天都跟地方環保局所以你沒有到現場我沒有到現場那個經濟部呢經濟部市長有到現場嗎\n我到現場那其實7月7號之後我們多次到嘉義跟台南你有到現場看到新聞廠的情況嗎好那我給各位看一下最新的畫面這個是昨天下午最新的畫面我到現場去看到的這個是嘉義新聞致紅池大家可以看到這個是大量的這個光電板已經變成是大型的廢棄物次長你有去你自己有看到嗎\n完全到現在還沒有清理 你有看到這個畫面嗎 大家看一下 第二張跟委員說明 剛剛邱正軍委員在質詢的時候他有一張照片 照片其實跟這個照片其實是不同角度的那現在的話我們因為嘉義地區我們現在還有1000多戶還沒有復電那我們需要環境清理跟讓居民的生活快速恢復安定 所以他\n我是在問你 你有沒有看過這樣的一個畫面很近的看到這些光電板被破壞然後在製紅紙上面的畫面不是空拍畫面不是空拍畫面 這個我是有看到但是沒有這麼近用望遠鏡去看這個沒有 你其實近一點就可以看到不用望遠鏡來 再下一張這個是我們在現場看到就在昨天下午\n這個是大量的廢棄的光電板就在滯洪池上面這個是如果你要告訴我說這個對於環境完全沒有影響這樣的一個照片我想可以去問問一般民眾看到的觀感這樣亂七八糟然後破碎的光電板然後就在滯洪池上面大量堆置還沒有清理\n那這個現在大家還在防所謂的登革熱它很多的那個凹槽你們仔細看它上面有些浮板翻拐上面有凹槽它的那個積水你環境部還要叫人家去清那個登革熱這一種你如果不趕快清的話不會造成環境的影響嗎為什麼這個部長跟次長講話都那麼大聲說這個對環境完全都沒有影響怎麼可能\n眼睛所見這樣子的一個亂七八糟的東西就擺在那邊都環境沒有影響而且你仔細看它有一些那個整個氧化的已經非常的嚴重那個水的顏色就是變得越來越深而且它積在那個浮板上面的那些水我真的很擔心那個解決就是各方面的這一些如果造成環境的污染請問這個\n要怎麼辦謝謝委員的指導那再後趕快在區內去做檢診這是必要的那除此之外老法跟委員跟但是都沒有在動我跟各位講已經超過到今天9天了不是我昨天在現場看的情況沒有任何的吊車施工單位在清這一些在滋洪池上面的\n沒有施工作宴他順序是旁邊的一些有關於民眾生活的道路他因為有飛過去那一邊他先檢診這是第一個第二個部分的話新溫滯洪池顧名思義它的主要的效能它就是一個濕式的滯洪池它在平時的時候在這個滯洪池裡面就是會有水了它並不是一個所謂的我們一般水力設置的我不是在跟你講那些水我是說你浮板上面還積水\n你有沒有仔細看這些土那個細的那個土上面你那個浮板上面的凹槽上面還有積水這樣那個積水我就問環境部部長這樣的積水會不會對於環境會滋生一些並沒穩會不會我們請那個部長來回答那當然我們這個是我們要防治的重點對\n對啊 但是現在大量在這邊喔還沒有清喔我們其實從這個上禮拜就一直在注意這個事情那你有要求業者嗎已經9天了耶有 我們已經要求業者要儘速處理然後我們勢必其實我們昨天本來就要開罰單了但是其實也考量到他們也是受災戶我們有限期給他們一點點時間等下說他們也答應了所以而且他們說什麼時候要開始動手我到昨天\n下午去看靜悄悄的都沒有在做任何事情其實第一個是說他們這幾個都是就是他必須要跟這個保險公司去勘查我覺得那是兩件事情啊對 但是因為我們要求他一定要集中到一個地方妥善的當成事業廢棄物來處理甚至我們也協調是不是找一塊地能夠到一個地方去擺置不要這樣廢在這個地方你們這個速度真的是太慢了\n因為我以昨天你看這張圖我以昨天在現場看的這個情況坦白講我蠻擔心的就是這當中每一個浮板上面都是凹槽都是積水然後看起來這個對環境都會產生下一波的這個危害我們夏天還在防止登革熱\n那這個東西如果大量的這個已經被滋生出來怎麼辦你們環境部要守護環境的安全嗎如果這個我們會再請環管署再看我們是不是要如果是登革熱的話我們勢必會再去開罰再做處理你們自己的人那署長有到現場你有看到這個凹槽積水嗎你覺得這個不嚴重嗎\n委員我有到現場委員照的地方是那個鐵橋那個地方然後你前一張照片是在哪一個建築那個地方我的鞋子還有很多泥巴我也是有去看過那這個確實我們會擔心所以有要求業者要競訴清楚那如果太久沒有清楚的話你的競訴是什麼時候是\n一個合理的時間嘛 他們現在是跟廠商有簽約啦今天過了已經10天了所以你要求他什麼時候要開始清啊我所知道他們跟清除處理回收業者已經有簽訂合約那我們有去實際上了解回收業者要多久可以完成他們說大概清很快大概幾天就可以完成了這個禮拜可以嗎這個要看他們最後簽約\n這一個依照各案場不同的人不同的要求這個案場確實比較大但是開始清的時間他會先把這個容易造成登革熱這個部分先清除那整個清除完畢我們是希望他在這個最大場是在兩個禮拜之內清完小場一個禮拜之內把他清完以上\n你這一個趕快清吧我真的覺得這一個可能會造成下一波的爆發這個疾病的傳染可能會從這邊開始那現場看起來真的你還是比較早看我是昨天看我覺得那現場的狀況已經是不好了你昨天也有去看\n那你應該更擔心啊對啊這個狀況我覺得是不OK的所以部長你要拿出魄力要求業者即刻趕快去清除不要造成下一波的這個感染那另外一個我要問的就是說這次大家看到無論是這個滯洪池上面設置的或者是海上設置的都經不起這次的風災那個受損的情況其實是大的\n那為什麼之前不需要經過好好的評估呢就你們現行的這個所有的環評措施裡面滯洪池上面的不在你的環評啊對不對海上的也不是啊海上的這個是試驗的性質他剛才是試驗他也沒有你們的角色啊對不對試驗過程你們沒有加入意見因為他還沒有接電所以其實目前這個是一個試驗以後我們可以考慮\n因為你看它一散連澎湖都飄過去了這個跟你環境部當然有關係啊我們贊成可以去發展我們的綠電但是你發展綠電的過程你一定要跟你的環境永續它其實是要平衡的才有可能嘛\n如果你是不顧一切的就是大量的去開發大量的去種電然後一個風災就讓它現行就讓大家感受到說如果你前面沒有適度去管制跟踩煞車把後面的它夠不夠牢固它對環境會不會產生什麼樣的迫害就是做一個適度的管制的話那後面你就看到這一次的情況嘉義縣新溫的這一個整個就讓大家看到它的整個受損的大概是四成的面積\n五萬片那個量體其實也是非常的大那那個整個都會變成是我們環境的負擔而且我擔心你這個可以去化嗎就是你這麼大量的光電板你的去化的模式是什麼像我看那些浮板大概都是塑膠啊那你塑膠怎麼處理那麼大的量體\n塑膠其實它有它的回收的體質沒有問題然後我們光電板目前可以全回收大概92%左右沒有問題然後它那些塑膠其實下面都附滿了藻類你如果近看的話它不是乾淨的塑膠它的那個圖片你近看那個署長有去看嗎你看到的它的那個浮板本身我不知道它吸附了什麼東西它不是一個乾淨的浮板所以我覺得它的那個回收恐怕也沒有那麼容易\n它怎麼樣去去除去除掉之後再回收所以這個我覺得就是你環境部在我們整個經濟開發過程當中我們為什麼要說環境部就是我們經濟發展跟環境永續它必須是並存的嘛不能只是有一個就是著重經濟發展就是往前衝嘛才需要環境部才需要你們升格啊所以這件事情我覺得\n這個部長希望你可以好好的去把關包括後續的這一些整個處理我剛剛講新聞這一個我很擔心他爆發下一次是疾病傳染的問題因為他那個凹槽積水看起來已經好幾天這看起來是不妙的你們要趕快處理第二個是未來的你的整個環評\n看起來你現在的環評還是有所不足你這個部分應該要把它納入就是你的環評的機制裡面加入環境部的把關這個可以做嗎可以我們這個部分因為這個部分有涉及到目的世界主管機關能源署的權責還有我們那我們現在我們1月的時候已經加演了齁那但是當然我們知道社會各種各界希望能夠更演那這個部分呢我們也會再進行再討論那甚至加入公民的參與在裡面\n好我覺得這次的這個整個風災過後我們不希望對於環境造成這麼大的一個傷害\n那新溫的這一個真的趕快去處理喔如果再變成是下一波這一個疾病傳染的源頭我覺得這個對於災民真的情何以堪不能有再第二次好不好不過我們報告那個因為這是第一次颱風在嘉義登陸啦所以那個附近布袋的這個極端值是真的是極端值所以你們要加緊嘛就是說有一些你們該善後的就加緊嘛該清除的你覺得要加緊嘛都已經十天了好不好謝謝好謝謝謝謝翁委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.945 --> 00:12.356\n謝謝主席我們是不是有請環境部部長還有我們經濟部的這個次長部長好\n\n00:19.332 --> 00:44.291\n那個我要請教部長跟市長就是這整個丹納斯風災過後這一些光電的廢棄物其中嘉義縣的興溫它其實是很大的一個受災戶請問兩位你們有前進到現場去看現場的情況嗎部長去了嗎包委員我是請我的署長去看然後我其實從受災之後每天都跟地方環保局所以你沒有到現場我沒有到現場那個經濟部呢經濟部市長有到現場嗎\n\n00:47.273 --> 01:16.545\n我到現場那其實7月7號之後我們多次到嘉義跟台南你有到現場看到新聞廠的情況嗎好那我給各位看一下最新的畫面這個是昨天下午最新的畫面我到現場去看到的這個是嘉義新聞致紅池大家可以看到這個是大量的這個光電板已經變成是大型的廢棄物次長你有去你自己有看到嗎\n\n01:18.444 --> 01:41.818\n完全到現在還沒有清理你有看到這個畫面嗎大家看一下第二張跟委員說明剛剛邱正軍委員在質詢的時候他有一張照片照片其實跟這個照片其實是不同角度的那現在的話我們因為嘉義地區我們現在還有1000多戶還沒有復電那我們需要環境清理跟讓居民的生活快速恢復安定所以他\n\n01:42.498 --> 02:07.873\n我是在問你你有沒有看過這樣的一個畫面很近的看到這些光電板被破壞然後在製紅紙上面的畫面不是空拍畫面不是空拍畫面這個我是有看到但是沒有這麼近用望遠鏡去看這個沒有你其實近一點就可以看到不用望遠鏡來再下一張這個是我們在現場看到就在昨天下午\n\n02:08.833 --> 02:34.580\n這個是大量的廢棄的光電板就在滯洪池上面這個是如果你要告訴我說這個對於環境完全沒有影響這樣的一個照片我想可以去問問一般民眾看到的觀感這樣亂七八糟然後破碎的光電板然後就在滯洪池上面大量堆置還沒有清理\n\n02:35.441 --> 02:50.392\n那這個現在大家還在防所謂的登革熱它很多的那個凹槽你們仔細看它上面有些浮板翻拐上面有凹槽它的那個積水你環境部還要叫人家去清那個登革熱這一種你如果不趕快清的話不會造成環境的影響嗎為什麼這個部長跟次長講話都那麼大聲說這個對環境完全都沒有影響怎麼可能\n\n03:02.160 --> 03:23.489\n眼睛所見這樣子的一個亂七八糟的東西就擺在那邊都環境沒有影響而且你仔細看它有一些那個整個氧化的已經非常的嚴重那個水的顏色就是變得越來越深而且它積在那個浮板上面的那些水我真的很擔心那個解決就是各方面的這一些如果造成環境的污染請問這個\n\n03:24.730 --> 03:45.480\n要怎麼辦謝謝委員的指導那再後趕快在區內去做檢診這是必要的那除此之外老法跟委員跟但是都沒有在動我跟各位講已經超過到今天9天了不是我昨天在現場看的情況沒有任何的吊車施工單位在清這一些在滋洪池上面的\n\n03:45.920 --> 04:13.572\n沒有施工作宴他順序是旁邊的一些有關於民眾生活的道路他因為有飛過去那一邊他先檢診這是第一個第二個部分的話新溫滯洪池顧名思義它的主要的效能它就是一個濕式的滯洪池它在平時的時候在這個滯洪池裡面就是會有水了它並不是一個所謂的我們一般水力設置的我不是在跟你講那些水我是說你浮板上面還積水\n\n04:16.448 --> 04:34.207\n你有沒有仔細看這些土那個細的那個土上面你那個浮板上面的凹槽上面還有積水這樣那個積水我就問環境部部長這樣的積水會不會對於環境會滋生一些並沒穩會不會我們請那個部長來回答那當然我們這個是我們要防治的重點對\n\n04:35.348 --> 05:00.923\n對啊但是現在大量在這邊喔還沒有清喔我們其實從這個上禮拜就一直在注意這個事情那你有要求業者嗎已經9天了耶有我們已經要求業者要儘速處理然後我們勢必其實我們昨天本來就要開罰單了但是其實也考量到他們也是受災戶我們有限期給他們一點點時間等下說他們也答應了所以而且他們說什麼時候要開始動手我到昨天\n\n05:03.124 --> 05:26.986\n下午去看靜悄悄的都沒有在做任何事情其實第一個是說他們這幾個都是就是他必須要跟這個保險公司去勘查我覺得那是兩件事情啊對但是因為我們要求他一定要集中到一個地方妥善的當成事業廢棄物來處理甚至我們也協調是不是找一塊地能夠到一個地方去擺置不要這樣廢在這個地方你們這個速度真的是太慢了\n\n05:27.466 --> 05:31.310\n因為我以昨天你看這張圖我以昨天在現場看的這個情況坦白講我蠻擔心的就是這當中每一個浮板上面都是凹槽都是積水然後看起來這個對環境都會產生下一波的這個危害我們夏天還在防止登革熱\n\n05:45.686 --> 06:04.725\n那這個東西如果大量的這個已經被滋生出來怎麼辦你們環境部要守護環境的安全嗎如果這個我們會再請環管署再看我們是不是要如果是登革熱的話我們勢必會再去開罰再做處理你們自己的人那署長有到現場你有看到這個凹槽積水嗎你覺得這個不嚴重嗎\n\n06:06.026 --> 06:20.836\n委員我有到現場委員照的地方是那個鐵橋那個地方然後你前一張照片是在哪一個建築那個地方我的鞋子還有很多泥巴我也是有去看過那這個確實我們會擔心所以有要求業者要競訴清楚那如果太久沒有清楚的話你的競訴是什麼時候是\n\n06:33.425 --> 06:57.735\n一個合理的時間嘛他們現在是跟廠商有簽約啦今天過了已經10天了所以你要求他什麼時候要開始清啊我所知道他們跟清除處理回收業者已經有簽訂合約那我們有去實際上了解回收業者要多久可以完成他們說大概清很快大概幾天就可以完成了這個禮拜可以嗎這個要看他們最後簽約\n\n07:02.517 --> 07:22.385\n這一個依照各案場不同的人不同的要求這個案場確實比較大但是開始清的時間他會先把這個容易造成登革熱這個部分先清除那整個清除完畢我們是希望他在這個最大場是在兩個禮拜之內清完小場一個禮拜之內把他清完以上\n\n07:22.605 --> 07:36.382\n你這一個趕快清吧我真的覺得這一個可能會造成下一波的爆發這個疾病的傳染可能會從這邊開始那現場看起來真的你還是比較早看我是昨天看我覺得那現場的狀況已經是不好了你昨天也有去看\n\n07:37.369 --> 07:58.289\n那你應該更擔心啊對啊這個狀況我覺得是不OK的所以部長你要拿出魄力要求業者即刻趕快去清除不要造成下一波的這個感染那另外一個我要問的就是說這次大家看到無論是這個滯洪池上面設置的或者是海上設置的都經不起這次的風災那個受損的情況其實是大的\n\n08:01.992 --> 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再下一張這個是我們在現場看到就在昨天下午"},{"start":128.833,"end":154.58,"text":"這個是大量的廢棄的光電板就在滯洪池上面這個是如果你要告訴我說這個對於環境完全沒有影響這樣的一個照片我想可以去問問一般民眾看到的觀感這樣亂七八糟然後破碎的光電板然後就在滯洪池上面大量堆置還沒有清理"},{"start":155.441,"end":170.392,"text":"那這個現在大家還在防所謂的登革熱它很多的那個凹槽你們仔細看它上面有些浮板翻拐上面有凹槽它的那個積水你環境部還要叫人家去清那個登革熱這一種你如果不趕快清的話不會造成環境的影響嗎為什麼這個部長跟次長講話都那麼大聲說這個對環境完全都沒有影響怎麼可能"},{"start":182.16,"end":203.489,"text":"眼睛所見這樣子的一個亂七八糟的東西就擺在那邊都環境沒有影響而且你仔細看它有一些那個整個氧化的已經非常的嚴重那個水的顏色就是變得越來越深而且它積在那個浮板上面的那些水我真的很擔心那個解決就是各方面的這一些如果造成環境的污染請問這個"},{"start":204.73,"end":225.48,"text":"要怎麼辦謝謝委員的指導那再後趕快在區內去做檢診這是必要的那除此之外老法跟委員跟但是都沒有在動我跟各位講已經超過到今天9天了不是我昨天在現場看的情況沒有任何的吊車施工單位在清這一些在滋洪池上面的"},{"start":225.92,"end":253.572,"text":"沒有施工作宴他順序是旁邊的一些有關於民眾生活的道路他因為有飛過去那一邊他先檢診這是第一個第二個部分的話新溫滯洪池顧名思義它的主要的效能它就是一個濕式的滯洪池它在平時的時候在這個滯洪池裡面就是會有水了它並不是一個所謂的我們一般水力設置的我不是在跟你講那些水我是說你浮板上面還積水"},{"start":256.448,"end":274.207,"text":"你有沒有仔細看這些土那個細的那個土上面你那個浮板上面的凹槽上面還有積水這樣那個積水我就問環境部部長這樣的積水會不會對於環境會滋生一些並沒穩會不會我們請那個部長來回答那當然我們這個是我們要防治的重點對"},{"start":275.348,"end":300.923,"text":"對啊 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求業者即刻趕快清除，不要造成下一波的感染。","另外一個我要問的是，這次大家看到無論是滯洪池上面設置的，或者是海上設置的，都經不起這次的風災，受損情況其實是大的，為什麼之前不需要經過好好地評估呢？就你們現行的所有環評措施裡面，滯洪池上面的不在你們的環評，對不對？"],["彭部長啓明：對。"],["王委員育敏：海上的也不是啊？"],["彭部長啓明：海上的這個是試驗的性質，剛開始試驗。"],["王委員育敏：也沒有你們的角色啊，對不對？試驗過程你們沒有加入意見？"],["彭部長啓明：因為它還沒有接電，所以目前這個是試驗性質，以後我們可以考慮。"],["王委員育敏：因為你看，它一散都漂過去澎湖了，跟你環境部當然有關係啊，我們贊成可以發展綠電，但是發展綠電的過程，一定要跟環境永續平衡才有可能。如果是不顧一切，大量地去開發、大量地去種電，然後一個風災就讓它現形，如果前面沒有適度管制跟踩煞車，後面它夠不夠牢固、對環境會不會產生什麼樣的破壞，就看到這一次的情況，嘉義縣新塭受損大概四成的面積，50,000片量體其實是非常大，整個都會變成環境的負擔，而且我擔心這個可以去化嗎？這麼大量的光電板，去化的模式是什麼？我看那些浮板大概都是塑膠，塑膠怎麼處理，那麼大的量體？"],["彭部長啓明：塑膠其實它有它回收的體制，這沒有問題，光電板部分，目前可以全回收大概92%左右，沒有問題……"],["王委員育敏：那些塑膠其實下面都附滿了藻類，你如果近看的話，它不是乾淨的塑膠，那個圖片你近看，署長有去看嘛，你看那個浮板本身，我不知道它吸附了什麼東西，它不是一個乾淨的浮板，所以我覺得它的回收恐怕也沒有那麼容易，要怎麼樣去除、去除掉之後再回收？","環境部在整個經濟開發的過程當中，我們為什麼要設環境部？就是經濟發展跟環境永續必須是並存的，不能著重經濟發展，就一直往前衝，所以才需要環境部、才需要你們升格。所以這件事情，部長，希望你可以好好去把關，包括後續的整個處理，我剛剛講的新塭，這個我很擔心它下一次爆發的是疾病傳染問題，因為那個凹槽積水看起來已經好幾天，看起來是不妙的，你們要趕快處理。","第二個，未來整個環評，看起來現在的環評還是有所不足，這個部分應該要納入你的環評機制，加入環境部的把關，這個可以做嗎？"],["彭部長啓明：可以，因為這個部分有涉及到目的事業主管機關能源署的權責，還有我們，我們1月的時候已經加嚴了，當然我們知道社會各界希望能夠更嚴，這個部分我們也會再進行討論，甚至加入公民參與在內。"],["王委員育敏：好，這次風災過後，我們不希望對於環境造成這麼大的傷害，新塭的這個部分真的趕快去處理，如果再變成是下一波疾病傳染的源頭，我覺得這對於災民而言真的情何以堪，不能再有第二次，好不好？"],["彭部長啓明：不過委員，我報告，因為這是第一次颱風在嘉義登陸，所以那附近，布袋的這個極端值，真的是極端的現象。"],["王委員育敏：對，所以你們要加緊嘛！就是有一些你們該善後的就加緊，該清除的你就應該加緊，都已經10天了，好不好？"],["彭部長啓明：是。"],["王委員育敏：謝謝。"],["彭部長啓明：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝王委員，謝謝部長、次長。","接續請廖偉翔委員質詢。涂權吉委員質詢後，我們休息5分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":238,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-26-20","speakers":["蘇清泉","陳昭姿","林月琴","邱鎮軍","王育敏","廖偉翔","涂權吉","陳菁徽","黃秀芳","林淑芬","王正旭","黃國昌","楊曜","陳培瑜","劉建國","陳冠廷","陳瑩","盧縣一","徐欣瑩"],"page_start":145,"meetingDate":["2025-07-16"],"gazette_id":"1146701","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1146701_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第20次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請環境部部長、經濟部部長、海洋委員會、農業部、內政部、國防部、金融監督管理委員會針\n對「光電設施對環境影響情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1146701_00003"}}}