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00:02:24,880\n那增加的當然它的原因很多像除了在法制面以外可能在社會的一些救助啦或者是輔導各方面還有家庭因素這個因素很多你剛剛講的是家暴案件的總數也是增加那是不是我講的是這個\n\n8\n00:02:26,301 --> 00:02:41,074\n執行所謂家庭暴力案件裁判確定情形就是違反保護令罪的這個部分也是增加那在110年的話是1758件到去年113年是2389件但今年的1到5月就是1034件所以看起來全年可能會接近2500件會比去年還多\n\n9\n00:02:52,583 --> 00:03:07,528\n那對於違反保護令的人你剛剛有講過定罪率目前大概是多少定罪率違反保護令罪是97.1對所以算是非常的高也穩定啦但是絕大部分的所謂的犯罪者都是怎麼判處的\n\n10\n00:03:09,122 --> 00:03:37,433\n是剛才看到司法院提出來的資料大概G1為多啦對四分之三是判處G1跟罰金嘛那以113年來說的話是2405件的被告案件有1745人判處G1106件是罰金那你覺得像這樣的一個處分對於違反保護令的加害者有所謂的威嚇力嗎會因此畏懼嗎\n\n11\n00:03:39,306 --> 00:03:53,262\n我跟委員報告我想我們當然在我們的立場我們當然希望一定的刑度對於被告的才會有嚇阻的作用不過我們現在看到的大部分都是單純違反\n\n12\n00:03:55,484 --> 00:04:10,921\n那個家暴法的61條其實真正的判重罪應該同時半生的那些殺人殺人威脅重傷害等等或者是恐嚇這些重罪呢會把它吃掉了所以看不出來其實有重罪的一部分在那裡啦\n\n13\n00:04:11,602 --> 00:04:36,675\n那單就違反61條就是大概我們看到的情形是這樣那在我們的立場當然是希望說要有一定的嚇阻作用不過這個是法官獨立審判的立場我們不方便評論這中間其實就形成一個矛盾點那我就拿土城這個案例來說的話那之前這位所謂的那個加害人他的家暴形態是什麼他的被判處理的狀況是什麼\n\n14\n00:04:38,097 --> 00:05:06,612\n他前面有一個是傷害罪不過他傷害罪還在偵查中對就是五月的那個17號那一個案子為什麼講中間的矛盾點你剛剛在講就是說有些案件感覺是輕微或是怎麼樣但有些比較重的有處理啦就是比較伴隨一些嚴重的一些犯罪的話會有一些更重的一個判刑嘛對不對可是問題就在於說其實你像土城這個案子對不對他傷害還在偵查中但他下一個\n\n15\n00:05:07,292 --> 00:05:31,137\n就立刻跳到是殺人而且是兩條人命第二個是違反保護令罪第二個檢察官當天受理的是違反保護令的內刑那現在就是說我們經過開會的結果如果有風險評估報告以及被害人願意提供給警察更多面向的資料我想我們的檢察官絕對是有這個警覺性跟敏感度\n\n16\n00:05:32,697 --> 00:05:47,377\n比較具體的東西給檢察官如果大家有這種期待希望把它積壓起來讓被害人有機會可以處理一些事情的話我這樣講這個要提供比較多的資料給檢察官做參考其實我覺得現在看到比較擔心的問題就是說\n\n17\n00:05:48,038 --> 00:06:10,342\n有些家暴常常都有累犯的狀態有些家暴會有這個狀態然後出犯的被告大概平均刑度是1.5個月累犯被告的平均刑度是2.3個月那也是算是比較低的一個刑度然後另外就是說這些到底對於所謂的加害人的我剛剛講前面的威嚇力是什麼\n\n18\n00:06:11,411 --> 00:06:36,256\n那就是一個最大的問題其實說真的社會上真的很多的一些我覺得被家暴的當事人他們惶惶不可終日你像這個土城的案例那個被害者其實他已經是被苦惱了很久但是呢到最後也是申請家暴也一樣保護你也沒辦法保護到他所以這是我覺得第一個要問的問題那另外我想請衛福部也上來一下好不好\n\n19\n00:06:42,899 --> 00:07:04,969\n我們請那個次長我想請問因為今年是家庭暴力防治法滿27週年那你覺得我們現在目前成效如何報告委員有幾個部分第一個就是說我們通報數確實在成長那這個其實也顯示就是說有關於這一個家庭暴力防治因為過去是所謂法不入家門\n\n20\n00:07:05,509 --> 00:07:23,458\n那現在目前經過這27年的一個努力其實我覺得現在目前社會各界對於這一個部分的敏感度它有增加所以它的通報數目也跟著增加這是第一點另外第二點我們現在目前也在各個社區我們有成立這一個所謂的防暴的這一個零暴力容忍的一個宣講師總共有514位的這一個宣講師那我們希望也能夠連結\n\n21\n00:07:28,801 --> 00:07:36,370\n地方特別是這個民政這邊的村里這個里林長這邊來注意這個部分那其實委員你也知道就是說這裡面其實有通報義務包括整個這個學校還有這一個這個醫院警察等等這些我們現在目前都做一個整個全面還有另外一個就是社安網這邊\n\n22\n00:07:47,162 --> 00:07:50,303\n我在這邊也真的要非常感謝我們的法務部的檢察官還有法官還有整個警政這邊我們的通力合作所以整個這個網在27年這樣下來我認為現在目前有相關的網的鋪設這一點我覺得算是一個成果我先這樣講確實案件的通報數是大幅增加\n\n23\n00:08:14,674 --> 00:08:42,419\n然後但是也可以看到我們現在的那個好的方向是過去家醜不外揚的這個心態有點改變就大家願意來去把這個困境對外來求助但是事實上你也可以看到從整個的案件的呈現的狀況來講其實也還是在區域嚴重就是家暴案件還是區域嚴重那這我也看到為何不說需要司法警察醫療社福一些教育體系的\n\n24\n00:08:43,659 --> 00:09:06,168\n合作然後共同來幫助被害人遠離傷害那我再想問一下在土城這個案件發生之後我看到衛福部14號有召開跨部會會議間認定該案件從保護令的申請到核發其實程序都沒有問題是不是然後但是遺憾的是最後沒有得到這個檢察官的認可沒有申請羈押\n\n25\n00:09:07,549 --> 00:09:25,543\n然後未來會對司法機關加強合作那遇到特殊狀況在申請羈押時來提供多一點有力的佐證這法務部的一個檢討的態度那我覺得請問一下法務部你認同衛福部的說法嗎那請問像這種東西怎麼去防止未來的類似悲劇\n\n26\n00:09:26,929 --> 00:09:45,990\n警察官遇到這個案件沒有羈押然後衛福部也講說會強化提供佐證資料那這個部分我想請法務部來講這個個案到底中間銜接出了什麼問題我想這個合作絕對是跨部會的那首先第一個就是要建立所謂剛才講到的就是家暴風險評估機制\n\n27\n00:09:47,732 --> 00:10:16,087\n這個成立以後這個就是一個非常重要的佐證那今天才能夠讓檢察官有這個素材可以申請法院來同意羈押如果沒有這個東西的話我想要申請羈押是非常非常的困難那我們也會加強宣導跟教育訓練我們同時要讓檢察官有這個敏感度我想這樣子的多方的努力我想應該可以其實市長我覺得就這個悲劇它有一個蠻核心的問題\n\n28\n00:10:16,767 --> 00:10:31,668\n就是說保護令合法後的執行力不足那造成法院合法保護令但執行面還是有非常多漏洞那造成今天這個防護的不夠來才造成所謂的被害者今天遇到這樣的一個不幸\n\n29\n00:10:32,549 --> 00:10:53,122\n那許多的加害人是公然違反禁令那被害人多次報警那最後也只能等到法院的判決結果出爐但是那個時間差就是釀成悲劇的可能性就在那個時間差裡面發生那我倒是有一點就是說實際上警政署能不能請警政署上來一下\n\n30\n00:11:00,353 --> 00:11:12,063\n我想問警政署有多少案件涉及加害人違反保護令但後來沒有被立即強制居體那地方警察機關是不是有存在不敢積極介入家庭糾紛的心態呢有這個問題存在嗎\n\n31\n00:11:15,289 --> 00:11:32,307\n以目前我們員警處理的經驗我們對加報案件都很重視所以如果說是我們向檢察官申請拘提那沒有成功那我們還是會注意他是不是有持續施暴的這個狀況我們不會去我問的第一個問題其實是數字性的問題啦\n\n32\n00:11:33,598 --> 00:11:52,961\n就有多少案件就是加害者違反保護令然後有多少案件是他沒有被強制舉提就因為比例是多少他已經違反保護令但你也沒有強制舉提他這比例是多少我們目前查獲違反保護令的案件有百分比應該是大概百分之十六是\n\n33\n00:11:53,542 --> 00:12:20,978\n那我們逮捕現行犯的人數有也將近一半就是我們如果以114年來說我們違反保護令案件是4497件但逮捕現行犯的人數有2176人所以還是有個落差嘛對不對好我想問一下還有一個就是法令法院可以命令被加害人佩戴電子腳鐐嘛對不對可以嗎這個部分要看\n\n34\n00:12:22,608 --> 00:12:47,655\n家暴的部分沒有只有性侵害的部分才有只有性侵害的部分才有我覺得有些科技偵查手段可能也要稍微研究一下因為我看到過去有些科技偵查手段對於有一些犯罪的案件類型可能會產生一些防止案件所謂的一些悲劇發生的現象那我想這個部分可能要請我們相關單位再多加研議以上謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4522\t20166\t有請法務部徐次長委員長次長好我們社會近年來其實一直發生很多讓人家心痛的家暴案件\n20936\t39691\t那當然最近最讓大家痛心的就是土城發生的這件案子一個有家暴前科的男子違反保護令被捕 已經被捕了卻在檢方無保賜回後開車衝撞妻子跟小姨子那隨後當街砍死兩個人\n42796\t55305\t其實這件事讓大家警醒到我們的保護令制度其實存在非常大的漏洞保護令的制度還有非常多要加強改進的地方\n56243\t73109\t那有許多案件的共同點其實就是被害人都已經多次向政府求助可是相關機關在保護令的核發執行跟配套上卻沒有辦法及時有效介入那造成一些難以挽回的結果\n74048\t95066\t所以這一點真的要拜託我們法務部主管機關要面對問題提出具體改進的作為我想請問次長您有掌握到地檢署執行家庭暴力案件裁判確定情形逐年變化的情形就違反保護令罪的部分近年是惡化還是減緩\n105411\t125440\t根據我們的統計資料的確從109年以來到113年案件數是有增加從1萬出頭到1萬7千件那我們起訴定罪率其實也都到94%以上定罪率也是非常的高所以案件量是有增加\n126440\t144880\t那增加的當然它的原因很多像除了在法制面以外可能在社會的一些救助啦或者是輔導各方面還有家庭因素這個因素很多你剛剛講的是家暴案件的總數也是增加那是不是我講的是這個\n146301\t161074\t執行所謂家庭暴力案件裁判確定情形就是違反保護令罪的這個部分也是增加那在110年的話是1758件到去年113年是2389件但今年的1到5月就是1034件所以看起來全年可能會接近2500件會比去年還多\n172583\t187528\t那對於違反保護令的人 你剛剛有講過定罪率目前大概是多少 定罪率違反保護令罪是97.1對 所以算是非常的高也穩定啦但是絕大部分的所謂的犯罪者都是怎麼判處的\n189122\t217433\t是 剛才看到司法院提出來的資料大概G1為多啦對 四分之三是判處G1跟罰金嘛那以113年來說的話是2405件的被告案件有1745人判處G1106件是罰金那你覺得像這樣的一個處分對於違反保護令的加害者有所謂的威嚇力嗎 會因此畏懼嗎\n219306\t233262\t我跟委員報告我想我們當然在我們的立場我們當然希望一定的刑度對於被告的才會有嚇阻的作用不過我們現在看到的大部分都是單純違反\n235484\t250921\t那個 家暴法的61條其實真正的判重罪應該同時半生的那些殺人 殺人威脅 重傷害等等或者是恐嚇這些重罪呢 會把它吃掉了所以看不出來其實有重罪的一部分在那裡啦\n251602\t276675\t那單就違反61條就是大概我們看到的情形是這樣那在我們的立場當然是希望說要有一定的嚇阻作用不過這個是法官獨立審判的立場我們不方便評論這中間其實就形成一個矛盾點那我就拿土城這個案例來說的話那之前這位所謂的那個加害人他的家暴形態是什麼他的被判處理的狀況是什麼\n278097\t306612\t他前面有一個是傷害罪不過他傷害罪還在偵查中對就是五月的那個17號那一個案子為什麼講中間的矛盾點你剛剛在講就是說有些案件感覺是輕微或是怎麼樣但有些比較重的有處理啦就是比較伴隨一些嚴重的一些犯罪的話會有一些更重的一個判刑嘛對不對可是問題就在於說其實你像土城這個案子對不對他傷害還在偵查中但他下一個\n307292\t331137\t就立刻跳到是殺人而且是兩條人命第二個是違反保護令罪第二個檢察官當天受理的是違反保護令的內刑那現在就是說我們經過開會的結果如果有風險評估報告以及被害人願意提供給警察更多面向的資料我想我們的檢察官絕對是有這個警覺性跟敏感度\n332697\t347377\t比較具體的東西給檢察官如果大家有這種期待希望把它積壓起來讓被害人有機會可以處理一些事情的話我這樣講這個要提供比較多的資料給檢察官做參考其實我覺得現在看到比較擔心的問題就是說\n348038\t370342\t有些家暴常常都有累犯的狀態有些家暴會有這個狀態然後出犯的被告大概平均刑度是1.5個月累犯被告的平均刑度是2.3個月那也是算是比較低的一個刑度然後另外就是說這些到底對於所謂的加害人的我剛剛講前面的威嚇力是什麼\n371411\t396256\t那就是一個最大的問題 其實說真的 社會上真的很多的一些我覺得被家暴的當事人 他們惶惶不可終日你像這個土城的案例 那個被害者其實他已經是被苦惱了很久 但是呢到最後也是申請家暴 也一樣保護你也沒辦法保護到他所以這是我覺得第一個要問的問題那另外我想請衛福部也上來一下好不好\n402899\t424969\t我們請那個次長我想請問因為今年是家庭暴力防治法滿27週年那你覺得我們現在目前成效如何報告委員有幾個部分第一個就是說我們通報數確實在成長那這個其實也顯示就是說有關於這一個家庭暴力防治因為過去是所謂法不入家門\n425509\t443458\t那現在目前經過這27年的一個努力其實我覺得現在目前社會各界對於這一個部分的敏感度它有增加所以它的通報數目也跟著增加這是第一點另外第二點我們現在目前也在各個社區我們有成立這一個所謂的防暴的這一個零暴力容忍的一個宣講師總共有514位的這一個宣講師那我們希望也能夠連結\n448801\t456370\t地方特別是這個民政這邊的村里這個里林長這邊來注意這個部分那其實委員你也知道就是說這裡面其實有通報義務包括整個這個學校還有這一個這個醫院警察等等這些我們現在目前都做一個整個全面還有另外一個就是社安網這邊\n467162\t470303\t我在這邊也真的要非常感謝我們的法務部的檢察官還有法官還有整個警政這邊我們的通力合作所以整個這個網在27年這樣下來我認為現在目前有相關的網的鋪設這一點我覺得算是一個成果我先這樣講 確實案件的通報數是大幅增加\n494674\t522419\t然後但是也可以看到我們現在的那個好的方向是過去家醜不外揚的這個心態有點改變就大家願意來去把這個困境對外來求助但是事實上你也可以看到從整個的案件的呈現的狀況來講其實也還是在區域嚴重就是家暴案件還是區域嚴重那這我也看到為何不說需要司法警察醫療社福一些教育體系的\n523659\t546168\t合作然後共同來幫助被害人遠離傷害那我再想問一下在土城這個案件發生之後我看到衛福部14號有召開跨部會會議間認定該案件從保護令的申請到核發其實程序都沒有問題是不是然後但是遺憾的是最後沒有得到這個檢察官的認可沒有申請羈押\n547549\t565543\t然後未來會對司法機關加強合作那遇到特殊狀況在申請羈押時來提供多一點有力的佐證這法務部的一個檢討的態度那我覺得請問一下法務部你認同衛福部的說法嗎那請問像這種東西怎麼去防止未來的類似悲劇\n566929\t585990\t警察官遇到這個案件沒有羈押然後衛福部也講說會強化提供佐證資料那這個部分我想請法務部來講這個個案到底中間銜接出了什麼問題我想這個合作絕對是跨部會的那首先第一個就是要建立所謂剛才講到的就是家暴風險評估機制\n587732\t616087\t這個成立以後這個就是一個非常重要的佐證那今天才能夠讓檢察官有這個素材可以申請法院來同意羈押如果沒有這個東西的話我想要申請羈押是非常非常的困難那我們也會加強宣導跟教育訓練我們同時要讓檢察官有這個敏感度我想這樣子的多方的努力我想應該可以其實市長我覺得就這個悲劇它有一個蠻核心的問題\n616767\t631668\t就是說保護令合法後的執行力不足那造成法院合法保護令但執行面還是有非常多漏洞那造成今天這個防護的不夠來才造成所謂的被害者今天遇到這樣的一個不幸\n632549\t653122\t那許多的加害人是公然違反禁令那被害人多次報警那最後也只能等到法院的判決結果出爐但是那個時間差就是釀成悲劇的可能性就在那個時間差裡面發生那我倒是有一點就是說實際上警政署能不能請警政署上來一下\n660353\t672063\t我想問警政署有多少案件涉及加害人違反保護令但後來沒有被立即強制居體那地方警察機關是不是有存在不敢積極介入家庭糾紛的心態呢有這個問題存在嗎\n675289\t692307\t以目前我們員警處理的經驗我們對加報案件都很重視所以如果說是我們向檢察官申請拘提那沒有成功那我們還是會注意他是不是有持續施暴的這個狀況我們不會去我問的第一個問題其實是數字性的問題啦\n693598\t712961\t就有多少案件就是加害者違反保護令然後有多少案件是他沒有被強制舉提就因為比例是多少他已經違反保護令但你也沒有強制舉提他這比例是多少我們目前查獲違反保護令的案件有百分比應該是大概百分之十六是\n713542\t740978\t那我們逮捕現行犯的人數有也將近一半就是我們如果以114年來說我們違反保護令案件是4497件但逮捕現行犯的人數有2176人所以還是有個落差嘛 對不對好 我想問一下 還有一個就是法令 法院可以命令被加害人佩戴電子腳鐐嘛 對不對可以嗎這個部分要看\n742608\t767655\t家暴的部分沒有 只有性侵害的部分才有只有性侵害的部分才有我覺得有些科技偵查手段可能也要稍微研究一下因為我看到過去有些科技偵查手段對於有一些犯罪的案件類型可能會產生一些防止案件所謂的一些悲劇發生的現象那我想這個部分可能要請我們相關單位再多加研議以上 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"有請法務部徐次長委員長次長好我們社會近年來其實一直發生很多讓人家心痛的家暴案件\n那當然最近最讓大家痛心的就是土城發生的這件案子一個有家暴前科的男子違反保護令被捕 已經被捕了卻在檢方無保賜回後開車衝撞妻子跟小姨子那隨後當街砍死兩個人\n其實這件事讓大家警醒到我們的保護令制度其實存在非常大的漏洞保護令的制度還有非常多要加強改進的地方\n那有許多案件的共同點其實就是被害人都已經多次向政府求助可是相關機關在保護令的核發執行跟配套上卻沒有辦法及時有效介入那造成一些難以挽回的結果\n所以這一點真的要拜託我們法務部主管機關要面對問題提出具體改進的作為我想請問次長您有掌握到地檢署執行家庭暴力案件裁判確定情形逐年變化的情形就違反保護令罪的部分近年是惡化還是減緩\n根據我們的統計資料的確從109年以來到113年案件數是有增加從1萬出頭到1萬7千件那我們起訴定罪率其實也都到94%以上定罪率也是非常的高所以案件量是有增加\n那增加的當然它的原因很多像除了在法制面以外可能在社會的一些救助啦或者是輔導各方面還有家庭因素這個因素很多你剛剛講的是家暴案件的總數也是增加那是不是我講的是這個\n執行所謂家庭暴力案件裁判確定情形就是違反保護令罪的這個部分也是增加那在110年的話是1758件到去年113年是2389件但今年的1到5月就是1034件所以看起來全年可能會接近2500件會比去年還多\n那對於違反保護令的人 你剛剛有講過定罪率目前大概是多少 定罪率違反保護令罪是97.1對 所以算是非常的高也穩定啦但是絕大部分的所謂的犯罪者都是怎麼判處的\n是 剛才看到司法院提出來的資料大概G1為多啦對 四分之三是判處G1跟罰金嘛那以113年來說的話是2405件的被告案件有1745人判處G1106件是罰金那你覺得像這樣的一個處分對於違反保護令的加害者有所謂的威嚇力嗎 會因此畏懼嗎\n我跟委員報告我想我們當然在我們的立場我們當然希望一定的刑度對於被告的才會有嚇阻的作用不過我們現在看到的大部分都是單純違反\n那個 家暴法的61條其實真正的判重罪應該同時半生的那些殺人 殺人威脅 重傷害等等或者是恐嚇這些重罪呢 會把它吃掉了所以看不出來其實有重罪的一部分在那裡啦\n那單就違反61條就是大概我們看到的情形是這樣那在我們的立場當然是希望說要有一定的嚇阻作用不過這個是法官獨立審判的立場我們不方便評論這中間其實就形成一個矛盾點那我就拿土城這個案例來說的話那之前這位所謂的那個加害人他的家暴形態是什麼他的被判處理的狀況是什麼\n他前面有一個是傷害罪不過他傷害罪還在偵查中對就是五月的那個17號那一個案子為什麼講中間的矛盾點你剛剛在講就是說有些案件感覺是輕微或是怎麼樣但有些比較重的有處理啦就是比較伴隨一些嚴重的一些犯罪的話會有一些更重的一個判刑嘛對不對可是問題就在於說其實你像土城這個案子對不對他傷害還在偵查中但他下一個\n就立刻跳到是殺人而且是兩條人命第二個是違反保護令罪第二個檢察官當天受理的是違反保護令的內刑那現在就是說我們經過開會的結果如果有風險評估報告以及被害人願意提供給警察更多面向的資料我想我們的檢察官絕對是有這個警覺性跟敏感度\n比較具體的東西給檢察官如果大家有這種期待希望把它積壓起來讓被害人有機會可以處理一些事情的話我這樣講這個要提供比較多的資料給檢察官做參考其實我覺得現在看到比較擔心的問題就是說\n有些家暴常常都有累犯的狀態有些家暴會有這個狀態然後出犯的被告大概平均刑度是1.5個月累犯被告的平均刑度是2.3個月那也是算是比較低的一個刑度然後另外就是說這些到底對於所謂的加害人的我剛剛講前面的威嚇力是什麼\n那就是一個最大的問題 其實說真的 社會上真的很多的一些我覺得被家暴的當事人 他們惶惶不可終日你像這個土城的案例 那個被害者其實他已經是被苦惱了很久 但是呢到最後也是申請家暴 也一樣保護你也沒辦法保護到他所以這是我覺得第一個要問的問題那另外我想請衛福部也上來一下好不好\n我們請那個次長我想請問因為今年是家庭暴力防治法滿27週年那你覺得我們現在目前成效如何報告委員有幾個部分第一個就是說我們通報數確實在成長那這個其實也顯示就是說有關於這一個家庭暴力防治因為過去是所謂法不入家門\n那現在目前經過這27年的一個努力其實我覺得現在目前社會各界對於這一個部分的敏感度它有增加所以它的通報數目也跟著增加這是第一點另外第二點我們現在目前也在各個社區我們有成立這一個所謂的防暴的這一個零暴力容忍的一個宣講師總共有514位的這一個宣講師那我們希望也能夠連結\n地方特別是這個民政這邊的村里這個里林長這邊來注意這個部分那其實委員你也知道就是說這裡面其實有通報義務包括整個這個學校還有這一個這個醫院警察等等這些我們現在目前都做一個整個全面還有另外一個就是社安網這邊\n我在這邊也真的要非常感謝我們的法務部的檢察官還有法官還有整個警政這邊我們的通力合作所以整個這個網在27年這樣下來我認為現在目前有相關的網的鋪設這一點我覺得算是一個成果我先這樣講 確實案件的通報數是大幅增加\n然後但是也可以看到我們現在的那個好的方向是過去家醜不外揚的這個心態有點改變就大家願意來去把這個困境對外來求助但是事實上你也可以看到從整個的案件的呈現的狀況來講其實也還是在區域嚴重就是家暴案件還是區域嚴重那這我也看到為何不說需要司法警察醫療社福一些教育體系的\n合作然後共同來幫助被害人遠離傷害那我再想問一下在土城這個案件發生之後我看到衛福部14號有召開跨部會會議間認定該案件從保護令的申請到核發其實程序都沒有問題是不是然後但是遺憾的是最後沒有得到這個檢察官的認可沒有申請羈押\n然後未來會對司法機關加強合作那遇到特殊狀況在申請羈押時來提供多一點有力的佐證這法務部的一個檢討的態度那我覺得請問一下法務部你認同衛福部的說法嗎那請問像這種東西怎麼去防止未來的類似悲劇\n警察官遇到這個案件沒有羈押然後衛福部也講說會強化提供佐證資料那這個部分我想請法務部來講這個個案到底中間銜接出了什麼問題我想這個合作絕對是跨部會的那首先第一個就是要建立所謂剛才講到的就是家暴風險評估機制\n這個成立以後這個就是一個非常重要的佐證那今天才能夠讓檢察官有這個素材可以申請法院來同意羈押如果沒有這個東西的話我想要申請羈押是非常非常的困難那我們也會加強宣導跟教育訓練我們同時要讓檢察官有這個敏感度我想這樣子的多方的努力我想應該可以其實市長我覺得就這個悲劇它有一個蠻核心的問題\n就是說保護令合法後的執行力不足那造成法院合法保護令但執行面還是有非常多漏洞那造成今天這個防護的不夠來才造成所謂的被害者今天遇到這樣的一個不幸\n那許多的加害人是公然違反禁令那被害人多次報警那最後也只能等到法院的判決結果出爐但是那個時間差就是釀成悲劇的可能性就在那個時間差裡面發生那我倒是有一點就是說實際上警政署能不能請警政署上來一下\n我想問警政署有多少案件涉及加害人違反保護令但後來沒有被立即強制居體那地方警察機關是不是有存在不敢積極介入家庭糾紛的心態呢有這個問題存在嗎\n以目前我們員警處理的經驗我們對加報案件都很重視所以如果說是我們向檢察官申請拘提那沒有成功那我們還是會注意他是不是有持續施暴的這個狀況我們不會去我問的第一個問題其實是數字性的問題啦\n就有多少案件就是加害者違反保護令然後有多少案件是他沒有被強制舉提就因為比例是多少他已經違反保護令但你也沒有強制舉提他這比例是多少我們目前查獲違反保護令的案件有百分比應該是大概百分之十六是\n那我們逮捕現行犯的人數有也將近一半就是我們如果以114年來說我們違反保護令案件是4497件但逮捕現行犯的人數有2176人所以還是有個落差嘛 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05:31.137\n就立刻跳到是殺人而且是兩條人命第二個是違反保護令罪第二個檢察官當天受理的是違反保護令的內刑那現在就是說我們經過開會的結果如果有風險評估報告以及被害人願意提供給警察更多面向的資料我想我們的檢察官絕對是有這個警覺性跟敏感度\n\n05:32.697 --> 05:47.377\n比較具體的東西給檢察官如果大家有這種期待希望把它積壓起來讓被害人有機會可以處理一些事情的話我這樣講這個要提供比較多的資料給檢察官做參考其實我覺得現在看到比較擔心的問題就是說\n\n05:48.038 --> 06:10.342\n有些家暴常常都有累犯的狀態有些家暴會有這個狀態然後出犯的被告大概平均刑度是1.5個月累犯被告的平均刑度是2.3個月那也是算是比較低的一個刑度然後另外就是說這些到底對於所謂的加害人的我剛剛講前面的威嚇力是什麼\n\n06:11.411 --> 06:36.256\n那就是一個最大的問題其實說真的社會上真的很多的一些我覺得被家暴的當事人他們惶惶不可終日你像這個土城的案例那個被害者其實他已經是被苦惱了很久但是呢到最後也是申請家暴也一樣保護你也沒辦法保護到他所以這是我覺得第一個要問的問題那另外我想請衛福部也上來一下好不好\n\n06:42.899 --> 07:04.969\n我們請那個次長我想請問因為今年是家庭暴力防治法滿27週年那你覺得我們現在目前成效如何報告委員有幾個部分第一個就是說我們通報數確實在成長那這個其實也顯示就是說有關於這一個家庭暴力防治因為過去是所謂法不入家門\n\n07:05.509 --> 07:23.458\n那現在目前經過這27年的一個努力其實我覺得現在目前社會各界對於這一個部分的敏感度它有增加所以它的通報數目也跟著增加這是第一點另外第二點我們現在目前也在各個社區我們有成立這一個所謂的防暴的這一個零暴力容忍的一個宣講師總共有514位的這一個宣講師那我們希望也能夠連結\n\n07:28.801 --> 07:36.370\n地方特別是這個民政這邊的村里這個里林長這邊來注意這個部分那其實委員你也知道就是說這裡面其實有通報義務包括整個這個學校還有這一個這個醫院警察等等這些我們現在目前都做一個整個全面還有另外一個就是社安網這邊\n\n07:47.162 --> 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