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00:00:32,175\n你們好副總談判代表還有次長你們大家都為了這次美國關稅的事情焦頭爛額大家也都辛苦了但是我還是要特別的強調就是台美是民主的夥伴共享民主的價值\n\n3\n00:00:33,055 --> 00:00:37,519\n但是為了落實台美民主同盟的價值對於雙方談判的資訊應該是更公開透明讓全國人民參與才是因為這次領軍的赴美談判的鄭麗君副院長過去是擔任立委的期間\n\n4\n00:00:48,487 --> 00:00:53,212\n在學運的反腐貿黑箱的時候他都有強力的主張我國所有對外的經貿的談判公民的社會都應該是有事前事終參與還有監督還有事後又要更應該公開的堅持但是我看我們現在政府到現在目前為止\n\n5\n00:01:07,688 --> 00:01:16,292\n所有台美關稅的談判都是大海箱到現在國內完全都沒有非常明確的資訊尤其是對於受影響最嚴重的中小企業還有全國的勞工然後賴總統4月也提出了應變策略中有曾經談到\n\n6\n00:01:23,436 --> 00:01:33,119\n非關稅貿易障礙是美國評估貿易夥伴對美貿易是否公平的指標因此我們將積極的解決已經存在多年的非關稅貿易障礙讓談判會更加的順利那請問副總談判代表總統所謂的非關稅貿易障礙為何\n\n7\n00:01:42,305 --> 00:02:00,665\n我想一般所謂的非關稅貿易障礙在講的就是技術性貿易障礙像TPT或者檢驗檢疫SPS那當然還有很多跟可能服務業或者是投資法規智慧財產權一般俗稱的所謂非關稅貿易障礙是在指這些議題\n\n8\n00:02:01,584 --> 00:02:25,957\n但是這些議題基本上台美有沒有去觸及到這些議題這個全部都是基於這些國際慣例所以我們也不便在這邊做進一步的一個討論好那我相信現在全國人民其實都非常在乎的問題就是說這一次的實體談判的過程中美方是否有具體要求台灣要在哪些領域做出讓步究竟有沒有要求我們要擴大開放汽車還有農業市場\n\n9\n00:02:28,999 --> 00:02:35,625\n尤其是和食安非常有關係的我們現在已經開放美國的豬肉和牛肉究竟有沒有談判到說台灣要進一步的放寬美豬還有美牛的內臟的進口還有我方目前對於放寬美豬美牛內臟的進口的立場是什麼\n\n10\n00:02:48,675 --> 00:03:15,110\n謝謝委員的垂詢但是如同我剛剛提到的就是所有的議題美國當然會出於他自己本身的利益可以擴大他的出口的商機可以振興他自己的產業可以降低台美貿易逆差的大概都會是他所提出的關切但是就台灣來說我們台灣也有自己要去堅守的立場所以就這些議題我們仍然會遵守這些所謂的國際標準然後捍衛我們產業跟國家的利益\n\n11\n00:03:15,550 --> 00:03:35,942\n所以這個我們等到談判有具體的共識的時候一定會再跟我們的貴院做進一步的報告因為根據媒體報導上面有指出我國對美豬美牛的非關稅避雷以及萊豬的萊克多巴胺的殘留值都是談判卡關的原因之一我國打算放行過去管制美牛內臟還有絞肉還有豬腎的萊劑的容許值比照國際標準\n\n12\n00:03:40,945 --> 00:03:40,965\n哈囉\n\n13\n00:04:08,396 --> 00:04:35,082\n我想所有的報導都是來自於我們認為美國他可能要去降低貿易逆差然後要去有增加在台灣的出口商機而提出來幫美國去論述這些議題那如同我講的美國有美國的利益但是台灣有台灣的堅持所以我想我們兩邊都會各自去論述自己的主張那我們在努力在做的就是我們尋求大家可以凝聚\n\n14\n00:04:35,563 --> 00:04:58,130\n拉近我們彼此的距離達到最後符合台灣產業利益的方案好那除了萊克多巴胺殘留值的檢驗標準之外我在想還有一個問題就是台灣對進口豬肉的標示規定其實也成為美方的批評的焦點那請問副總談判代表還有農業部美方是否提出要求要移除豬肉的產地的標示呢\n\n15\n00:05:00,061 --> 00:05:18,219\n我想就是一樣的沒有可以講可以講如果說不能公開的話也沒有關係對我想就是很多的議題也會涉及到除了我們剛剛提到的工業跟農業都是要去尋求一個平衡性但是我們也要去兼顧的是貿易跟產業的平衡性之外台灣有台灣在國際義務上應該遵循國際標準國際潮流的\n\n16\n00:05:22,643 --> 00:05:34,897\n按照科學證據風險評估的方式去處理這些跟健康安全有關的食安議題所以我想台灣我們會按照這樣的一個角度持續去作為我們談判的立場\n\n17\n00:05:36,568 --> 00:05:49,439\n因為還有一點就是基改食品我想基改食品對這個也是大家就是說很關注的項目雖然美國人的基改食品正義其實都是一直存在的美國貿易代表所在今年3月底的時候就公佈2025年各國貿易障礙的\n\n18\n00:05:52,942 --> 00:06:14,825\n評估的報告被列為不必要的貿易障礙的農產品就包括美豬美牛還有稻米還有基改食品和米酒飲然後美國代表貿易的代表署再次也有點名我們台灣所以在報告的時候在2015年12月起台灣已經禁止在學校餐飲中使用基改的食品這樣例如基改的玉米啊還是大豆這方面的食品但美國對這項禁令\n\n19\n00:06:16,546 --> 00:06:37,118\n的科學依據都表示的非常的關切並持續要求台灣要撤回這項的措施那請問美方是不是希望台灣調整這個政策呢還是他們有沒有直接要求取消那個學童的營養午餐不得食用基改食品的這個禁令呢還是請問談判代表在協商中美國是不是有提出這項的要求呢\n\n20\n00:06:38,797 --> 00:07:06,042\n好謝謝委員您應該是把美國的USTR的貿易障礙調查報告做了一個很完整的閱讀我想如同我剛才講的美國每年都在公布這些貿易障礙調查報告而這些問題都是他希望他的對手國要去處理然後因為他的目的只是要去增加他的出口增加他自己產業的競爭力所以如同我剛才提到的美國他可以提出他的訴求但是台灣有台灣的立場\n\n21\n00:07:07,546 --> 00:07:36,742\n所以但是台灣在堅守這個立場的過程我們必須要去考量到產業跟貿易的平衡性以及考量到國際標準現在的這個定位所以我想我們會努力在這方面去做堅持我想北施還是提醒請經貿辦務必還是要為全民的健康要捍衛這整個權益希望不要因為川普的對等的關稅的政策讓我們自己也錯估了情勢這樣會忽略台灣自身的利益還有尤其是國民健康的權益\n\n22\n00:07:37,267 --> 00:07:40,430\n好會按照委員的指示好謝謝那接下來我有請經濟部次長謝謝\n\n23\n00:07:52,123 --> 00:08:05,733\n委員好次長現在南部因為風災其實造成停電的問題相信現在所有的台電的同仁其實都是非常辛苦的搶救中相信全民對沒有電的生活其實大家是都是非常的恐懼的請問次長你擔心台灣會缺電嗎\n\n24\n00:08:09,891 --> 00:08:16,236\n我們有做完整的盤點從2025年到2030年之間的電力每年會成長2.5%這些我們都有掌握當中所以到2030年之前台灣不會缺電\n\n25\n00:08:24,261 --> 00:08:38,454\n那當初的再生能源的政策是不是以廢核和非核家園為出發點呢因此台電你為了彌補這次的供電的缺口其實拼命的燒煤還有燒天然氣發電外也只好全力增加了綠電現在問題就來了就是\n\n26\n00:08:39,915 --> 00:08:43,876\n同時現在目前河山停機之後發電佔比其實已經達九成以上了然後空污和碳排不斷的都在增加那老百姓現在為國家都是用肺在發電付出非常的健康的代價那台灣的電費漲價我們就不用說了半導體經濟的護國神山現在供電的吃緊加上價格的看漲其實再加上美國對等關稅的問題請問台灣的\n\n27\n00:09:06,401 --> 00:09:33,152\n這樣的情況台灣的經濟該如何成長還有你身為經濟部的長官的話一定知道這一次的颱風造成南部非常大的災害還有整個破壞這一次的颱風吹垮了整個光電的設施同時也吹出了台灣光電上面的建設甚至人員政策上面的問題也出來了所以在這些災害裡面最引人矚目的就是最引發討論的甚至批評的就是光電板的災難的問題例如經濟部\n\n28\n00:09:36,773 --> 00:09:58,800\n補助了上億元的海上的光電示範計畫這些就是因為經不起強風催產被吹到海邊去還有光電板浮台的廢棄物就是綿延了超過了一公里還有高雄大樹的河山光電案這也非常清楚的看到光電板廢棄物的災難的問題那這是初試的海上浮動式的光電經濟部說可以抗16級\n\n29\n00:10:01,481 --> 00:10:16,211\n但是結果十二十三級風就垮了那根據統計經濟部這幾年光是建構光電的設施就花了至少兩百億以上的預算這些到現在都是還在接受政府的補助結果一場颱風來就造成了光電板的災難那這要如何上後呢跟委員報告兩點說明第一點是這次確實颱風有造成我們一些光電的暗場\n\n30\n00:10:28,683 --> 00:10:35,289\n有受損害總共大概有33案到目前統計的這個是60MW佔我們全國總總容量的0.4%那第二點有關於您關心的這個我們的這些補助\n\n31\n00:10:47,407 --> 00:11:07,510\n經費補助他這次的這個目標試驗海域福台抗風浪的這個他的最主要目的呢他是一個試驗的性質那我們補助的金額是1.35億元那未來本案呢還是會持續的按照契約的內容來執行我們也要求廠商必須要如期完成\n\n32\n00:11:08,449 --> 00:11:28,526\n海域服務台技術的驗證工作如果他們不能夠一約一約來執行的話我們就不會給他合撥相關的補助款那我們也在清除的部分也經濟部也積極的跟屏東縣府來這個同調希望能夠盡速的完成清除\n\n33\n00:11:28,966 --> 00:11:46,491\n因為最近就是因為天候還有海象不佳所以還是要顧及這個清除人員的安全那天候允許的話我們會加派人力還有相關的機區來完成相關的清雲工作以上好希望經濟部可以儘早跟環境部跨部會快點討論規劃怎麼樣去解決這個廢棄的光電板的處置問題是好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1116\t6318\t謝謝主席 有請經貿辦副總談判代表還有農業部次長\n17867\t32175\t你們好副總談判代表還有次長你們大家都為了這次美國關稅的事情焦頭爛額大家也都辛苦了但是我還是要特別的強調就是台美是民主的夥伴共享民主的價值\n33055\t37519\t但是為了落實台美民主同盟的價值對於雙方談判的資訊應該是更公開透明讓全國人民參與才是因為這次領軍的赴美談判的鄭麗君副院長過去是擔任立委的期間\n48487\t53212\t在學運的反腐貿黑箱的時候他都有強力的主張我國所有對外的經貿的談判公民的社會都應該是有事前事終參與還有監督還有事後又要更應該公開的堅持但是我看我們現在政府到現在目前為止\n67688\t76292\t所有台美關稅的談判都是大海箱到現在國內完全都沒有非常明確的資訊尤其是對於受影響最嚴重的中小企業還有全國的勞工然後賴總統4月也提出了應變策略中有曾經談到\n83436\t93119\t非關稅貿易障礙是美國評估貿易夥伴對美貿易是否公平的指標因此我們將積極的解決已經存在多年的非關稅貿易障礙讓談判會更加的順利那請問副總談判代表總統所謂的非關稅貿易障礙為何\n102305\t120665\t我想一般所謂的非關稅貿易障礙在講的就是技術性貿易障礙像TPT或者檢驗檢疫SPS那當然還有很多跟可能服務業或者是投資法規智慧財產權一般俗稱的所謂非關稅貿易障礙是在指這些議題\n121584\t145957\t但是這些議題基本上台美有沒有去觸及到這些議題這個全部都是基於這些國際慣例所以我們也不便在這邊做進一步的一個討論好 那我相信現在全國人民其實都非常在乎的問題就是說這一次的實體談判的過程中美方是否有具體要求台灣要在哪些領域做出讓步究竟有沒有要求我們要擴大開放汽車還有農業市場\n148999\t155625\t尤其是和食安非常有關係的我們現在已經開放美國的豬肉和牛肉究竟有沒有談判到說台灣要進一步的放寬美豬還有美牛的內臟的進口還有我方目前對於放寬美豬美牛內臟的進口的立場是什麼\n168675\t195110\t謝謝委員的垂詢但是如同我剛剛提到的就是所有的議題美國當然會出於他自己本身的利益可以擴大他的出口的商機可以振興他自己的產業可以降低台美貿易逆差的大概都會是他所提出的關切但是就台灣來說我們台灣也有自己要去堅守的立場所以就這些議題我們仍然會遵守這些所謂的國際標準然後捍衛我們產業跟國家的利益\n195550\t215942\t所以這個我們等到談判有具體的共識的時候一定會再跟我們的貴院做進一步的報告因為根據媒體報導上面有指出我國對美豬美牛的非關稅避雷以及萊豬的萊克多巴胺的殘留值都是談判卡關的原因之一我國打算放行過去管制美牛內臟還有絞肉還有豬腎的萊劑的容許值比照國際標準\n220945\t220965\t哈囉\n248396\t275082\t我想所有的報導都是來自於我們認為美國他可能要去降低貿易逆差然後要去有增加在台灣的出口商機而提出來幫美國去論述這些議題那如同我講的美國有美國的利益但是台灣有台灣的堅持所以我想我們兩邊都會各自去論述自己的主張那我們在努力在做的就是我們尋求大家可以凝聚\n275563\t298130\t拉近我們彼此的距離達到最後符合台灣產業利益的方案好那除了萊克多巴胺殘留值的檢驗標準之外我在想還有一個問題就是台灣對進口豬肉的標示規定其實也成為美方的批評的焦點那請問副總談判代表還有農業部美方是否提出要求要移除豬肉的產地的標示呢\n300061\t318219\t我想就是一樣的沒有可以講可以講如果說不能公開的話也沒有關係對我想就是很多的議題也會涉及到除了我們剛剛提到的工業跟農業都是要去尋求一個平衡性但是我們也要去兼顧的是貿易跟產業的平衡性之外台灣有台灣在國際義務上應該遵循國際標準國際潮流的\n322643\t334897\t按照科學證據風險評估的方式去處理這些跟健康安全有關的食安議題所以我想台灣我們會按照這樣的一個角度持續去作為我們談判的立場\n336568\t349439\t因為還有一點就是基改食品我想基改食品對這個也是大家就是說很關注的項目雖然美國人的基改食品正義其實都是一直存在的美國貿易代表所在今年3月底的時候就公佈2025年各國貿易障礙的\n352942\t374825\t評估的報告被列為不必要的貿易障礙的農產品就包括美豬美牛還有稻米還有基改食品和米酒飲然後美國代表貿易的代表署再次也有點名我們台灣所以在報告的時候在2015年12月起台灣已經禁止在學校餐飲中使用基改的食品這樣例如基改的玉米啊還是大豆這方面的食品但美國對這項禁令\n376546\t397118\t的科學依據都表示的非常的關切並持續要求台灣要撤回這項的措施那請問美方是不是希望台灣調整這個政策呢還是他們有沒有直接要求取消那個學童的營養午餐不得食用基改食品的這個禁令呢還是請問談判代表在協商中美國是不是有提出這項的要求呢\n398797\t426042\t好 謝謝委員您應該是把美國的USTR的貿易障礙調查報告做了一個很完整的閱讀我想如同我剛才講的美國每年都在公布這些貿易障礙調查報告而這些問題都是他希望他的對手國要去處理然後因為他的目的只是要去增加他的出口增加他自己產業的競爭力所以如同我剛才提到的美國他可以提出他的訴求但是台灣有台灣的立場\n427546\t456742\t所以但是台灣在堅守這個立場的過程我們必須要去考量到產業跟貿易的平衡性以及考量到國際標準現在的這個定位所以我想我們會努力在這方面去做堅持我想北施還是提醒請經貿辦務必還是要為全民的健康要捍衛這整個權益希望不要因為川普的對等的關稅的政策讓我們自己也錯估了情勢這樣會忽略台灣自身的利益還有尤其是國民健康的權益\n457267\t460430\t好會按照委員的指示好謝謝那接下來我有請經濟部次長謝謝\n472123\t485733\t委員好次長現在南部因為風災其實造成停電的問題相信現在所有的台電的同仁其實都是非常辛苦的搶救中相信全民對沒有電的生活其實大家是都是非常的恐懼的請問次長你擔心台灣會缺電嗎\n489891\t496236\t我們有做完整的盤點從2025年到2030年之間的電力每年會成長2.5%這些我們都有掌握當中所以到2030年之前台灣不會缺電\n504261\t518454\t那當初的再生能源的政策是不是以廢核和非核家園為出發點呢因此台電你為了彌補這次的供電的缺口其實拼命的燒煤還有燒天然氣發電外也只好全力增加了綠電現在問題就來了就是\n519915\t523876\t同時現在目前河山停機之後發電佔比其實已經達九成以上了然後空污和碳排不斷的都在增加那老百姓現在為國家都是用肺在發電付出非常的健康的代價那台灣的電費漲價我們就不用說了半導體經濟的護國神山現在供電的吃緊加上價格的看漲其實再加上美國對等關稅的問題請問台灣的\n546401\t573152\t這樣的情況台灣的經濟該如何成長還有你身為經濟部的長官的話一定知道這一次的颱風造成南部非常大的災害還有整個破壞這一次的颱風吹垮了整個光電的設施同時也吹出了台灣光電上面的建設甚至人員政策上面的問題也出來了所以在這些災害裡面最引人矚目的就是最引發討論的甚至批評的就是光電板的災難的問題例如經濟部\n576773\t598800\t補助了上億元的海上的光電示範計畫這些就是因為經不起強風催產被吹到海邊去還有光電板浮台的廢棄物就是綿延了超過了一公里還有高雄大樹的河山光電案這也非常清楚的看到光電板廢棄物的災難的問題那這是初試的海上浮動式的光電經濟部說可以抗16級\n601481\t616211\t但是結果十二十三級風就垮了那根據統計經濟部這幾年光是建構光電的設施就花了至少兩百億以上的預算這些到現在都是還在接受政府的補助結果一場颱風來就造成了光電板的災難那這要如何上後呢跟委員報告兩點說明第一點是這次確實颱風有造成我們一些光電的暗場\n628683\t635289\t有受損害總共大概有33案到目前統計的這個是60MW佔我們全國總總容量的0.4%那第二點有關於您關心的這個我們的這些補助\n647407\t667510\t經費補助他這次的這個目標試驗海域福台抗風浪的這個他的最主要目的呢他是一個試驗的性質那我們補助的金額是1.35億元那未來本案呢還是會持續的按照契約的內容來執行我們也要求廠商必須要如期完成\n668449\t688526\t海域服務台技術的驗證工作如果他們不能夠一約一約來執行的話我們就不會給他合撥相關的補助款那我們也在清除的部分也經濟部也積極的跟屏東縣府來這個同調希望能夠盡速的完成清除\n688966\t706491\t因為最近就是因為天候還有海象不佳所以還是要顧及這個清除人員的安全那天候允許的話我們會加派人力還有相關的機區來完成相關的清雲工作 以上好 希望經濟部可以儘早跟環境部跨部會快點討論規劃怎麼樣去解決這個廢棄的光電板的處置問題是好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請經貿辦副總談判代表還有農業部次長\n你們好副總談判代表還有次長你們大家都為了這次美國關稅的事情焦頭爛額大家也都辛苦了但是我還是要特別的強調就是台美是民主的夥伴共享民主的價值\n但是為了落實台美民主同盟的價值對於雙方談判的資訊應該是更公開透明讓全國人民參與才是因為這次領軍的赴美談判的鄭麗君副院長過去是擔任立委的期間\n在學運的反腐貿黑箱的時候他都有強力的主張我國所有對外的經貿的談判公民的社會都應該是有事前事終參與還有監督還有事後又要更應該公開的堅持但是我看我們現在政府到現在目前為止\n所有台美關稅的談判都是大海箱到現在國內完全都沒有非常明確的資訊尤其是對於受影響最嚴重的中小企業還有全國的勞工然後賴總統4月也提出了應變策略中有曾經談到\n非關稅貿易障礙是美國評估貿易夥伴對美貿易是否公平的指標因此我們將積極的解決已經存在多年的非關稅貿易障礙讓談判會更加的順利那請問副總談判代表總統所謂的非關稅貿易障礙為何\n我想一般所謂的非關稅貿易障礙在講的就是技術性貿易障礙像TPT或者檢驗檢疫SPS那當然還有很多跟可能服務業或者是投資法規智慧財產權一般俗稱的所謂非關稅貿易障礙是在指這些議題\n但是這些議題基本上台美有沒有去觸及到這些議題這個全部都是基於這些國際慣例所以我們也不便在這邊做進一步的一個討論好 那我相信現在全國人民其實都非常在乎的問題就是說這一次的實體談判的過程中美方是否有具體要求台灣要在哪些領域做出讓步究竟有沒有要求我們要擴大開放汽車還有農業市場\n尤其是和食安非常有關係的我們現在已經開放美國的豬肉和牛肉究竟有沒有談判到說台灣要進一步的放寬美豬還有美牛的內臟的進口還有我方目前對於放寬美豬美牛內臟的進口的立場是什麼\n謝謝委員的垂詢但是如同我剛剛提到的就是所有的議題美國當然會出於他自己本身的利益可以擴大他的出口的商機可以振興他自己的產業可以降低台美貿易逆差的大概都會是他所提出的關切但是就台灣來說我們台灣也有自己要去堅守的立場所以就這些議題我們仍然會遵守這些所謂的國際標準然後捍衛我們產業跟國家的利益\n所以這個我們等到談判有具體的共識的時候一定會再跟我們的貴院做進一步的報告因為根據媒體報導上面有指出我國對美豬美牛的非關稅避雷以及萊豬的萊克多巴胺的殘留值都是談判卡關的原因之一我國打算放行過去管制美牛內臟還有絞肉還有豬腎的萊劑的容許值比照國際標準\n哈囉\n我想所有的報導都是來自於我們認為美國他可能要去降低貿易逆差然後要去有增加在台灣的出口商機而提出來幫美國去論述這些議題那如同我講的美國有美國的利益但是台灣有台灣的堅持所以我想我們兩邊都會各自去論述自己的主張那我們在努力在做的就是我們尋求大家可以凝聚\n拉近我們彼此的距離達到最後符合台灣產業利益的方案好那除了萊克多巴胺殘留值的檢驗標準之外我在想還有一個問題就是台灣對進口豬肉的標示規定其實也成為美方的批評的焦點那請問副總談判代表還有農業部美方是否提出要求要移除豬肉的產地的標示呢\n我想就是一樣的沒有可以講可以講如果說不能公開的話也沒有關係對我想就是很多的議題也會涉及到除了我們剛剛提到的工業跟農業都是要去尋求一個平衡性但是我們也要去兼顧的是貿易跟產業的平衡性之外台灣有台灣在國際義務上應該遵循國際標準國際潮流的\n按照科學證據風險評估的方式去處理這些跟健康安全有關的食安議題所以我想台灣我們會按照這樣的一個角度持續去作為我們談判的立場\n因為還有一點就是基改食品我想基改食品對這個也是大家就是說很關注的項目雖然美國人的基改食品正義其實都是一直存在的美國貿易代表所在今年3月底的時候就公佈2025年各國貿易障礙的\n評估的報告被列為不必要的貿易障礙的農產品就包括美豬美牛還有稻米還有基改食品和米酒飲然後美國代表貿易的代表署再次也有點名我們台灣所以在報告的時候在2015年12月起台灣已經禁止在學校餐飲中使用基改的食品這樣例如基改的玉米啊還是大豆這方面的食品但美國對這項禁令\n的科學依據都表示的非常的關切並持續要求台灣要撤回這項的措施那請問美方是不是希望台灣調整這個政策呢還是他們有沒有直接要求取消那個學童的營養午餐不得食用基改食品的這個禁令呢還是請問談判代表在協商中美國是不是有提出這項的要求呢\n好 謝謝委員您應該是把美國的USTR的貿易障礙調查報告做了一個很完整的閱讀我想如同我剛才講的美國每年都在公布這些貿易障礙調查報告而這些問題都是他希望他的對手國要去處理然後因為他的目的只是要去增加他的出口增加他自己產業的競爭力所以如同我剛才提到的美國他可以提出他的訴求但是台灣有台灣的立場\n所以但是台灣在堅守這個立場的過程我們必須要去考量到產業跟貿易的平衡性以及考量到國際標準現在的這個定位所以我想我們會努力在這方面去做堅持我想北施還是提醒請經貿辦務必還是要為全民的健康要捍衛這整個權益希望不要因為川普的對等的關稅的政策讓我們自己也錯估了情勢這樣會忽略台灣自身的利益還有尤其是國民健康的權益\n好會按照委員的指示好謝謝那接下來我有請經濟部次長謝謝\n委員好次長現在南部因為風災其實造成停電的問題相信現在所有的台電的同仁其實都是非常辛苦的搶救中相信全民對沒有電的生活其實大家是都是非常的恐懼的請問次長你擔心台灣會缺電嗎\n我們有做完整的盤點從2025年到2030年之間的電力每年會成長2.5%這些我們都有掌握當中所以到2030年之前台灣不會缺電\n那當初的再生能源的政策是不是以廢核和非核家園為出發點呢因此台電你為了彌補這次的供電的缺口其實拼命的燒煤還有燒天然氣發電外也只好全力增加了綠電現在問題就來了就是\n同時現在目前河山停機之後發電佔比其實已經達九成以上了然後空污和碳排不斷的都在增加那老百姓現在為國家都是用肺在發電付出非常的健康的代價那台灣的電費漲價我們就不用說了半導體經濟的護國神山現在供電的吃緊加上價格的看漲其實再加上美國對等關稅的問題請問台灣的\n這樣的情況台灣的經濟該如何成長還有你身為經濟部的長官的話一定知道這一次的颱風造成南部非常大的災害還有整個破壞這一次的颱風吹垮了整個光電的設施同時也吹出了台灣光電上面的建設甚至人員政策上面的問題也出來了所以在這些災害裡面最引人矚目的就是最引發討論的甚至批評的就是光電板的災難的問題例如經濟部\n補助了上億元的海上的光電示範計畫這些就是因為經不起強風催產被吹到海邊去還有光電板浮台的廢棄物就是綿延了超過了一公里還有高雄大樹的河山光電案這也非常清楚的看到光電板廢棄物的災難的問題那這是初試的海上浮動式的光電經濟部說可以抗16級\n但是結果十二十三級風就垮了那根據統計經濟部這幾年光是建構光電的設施就花了至少兩百億以上的預算這些到現在都是還在接受政府的補助結果一場颱風來就造成了光電板的災難那這要如何上後呢跟委員報告兩點說明第一點是這次確實颱風有造成我們一些光電的暗場\n有受損害總共大概有33案到目前統計的這個是60MW佔我們全國總總容量的0.4%那第二點有關於您關心的這個我們的這些補助\n經費補助他這次的這個目標試驗海域福台抗風浪的這個他的最主要目的呢他是一個試驗的性質那我們補助的金額是1.35億元那未來本案呢還是會持續的按照契約的內容來執行我們也要求廠商必須要如期完成\n海域服務台技術的驗證工作如果他們不能夠一約一約來執行的話我們就不會給他合撥相關的補助款那我們也在清除的部分也經濟部也積極的跟屏東縣府來這個同調希望能夠盡速的完成清除\n因為最近就是因為天候還有海象不佳所以還是要顧及這個清除人員的安全那天候允許的話我們會加派人力還有相關的機區來完成相關的清雲工作 以上好 希望經濟部可以儘早跟環境部跨部會快點討論規劃怎麼樣去解決這個廢棄的光電板的處置問題是好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.116 --> 00:06.318\n謝謝主席有請經貿辦副總談判代表還有農業部次長\n\n00:17.867 --> 00:32.175\n你們好副總談判代表還有次長你們大家都為了這次美國關稅的事情焦頭爛額大家也都辛苦了但是我還是要特別的強調就是台美是民主的夥伴共享民主的價值\n\n00:33.055 --> 00:37.519\n但是為了落實台美民主同盟的價值對於雙方談判的資訊應該是更公開透明讓全國人民參與才是因為這次領軍的赴美談判的鄭麗君副院長過去是擔任立委的期間\n\n00:48.487 --> 00:53.212\n在學運的反腐貿黑箱的時候他都有強力的主張我國所有對外的經貿的談判公民的社會都應該是有事前事終參與還有監督還有事後又要更應該公開的堅持但是我看我們現在政府到現在目前為止\n\n01:07.688 --> 01:16.292\n所有台美關稅的談判都是大海箱到現在國內完全都沒有非常明確的資訊尤其是對於受影響最嚴重的中小企業還有全國的勞工然後賴總統4月也提出了應變策略中有曾經談到\n\n01:23.436 --> 01:33.119\n非關稅貿易障礙是美國評估貿易夥伴對美貿易是否公平的指標因此我們將積極的解決已經存在多年的非關稅貿易障礙讓談判會更加的順利那請問副總談判代表總統所謂的非關稅貿易障礙為何\n\n01:42.305 --> 02:00.665\n我想一般所謂的非關稅貿易障礙在講的就是技術性貿易障礙像TPT或者檢驗檢疫SPS那當然還有很多跟可能服務業或者是投資法規智慧財產權一般俗稱的所謂非關稅貿易障礙是在指這些議題\n\n02:01.584 --> 02:25.957\n但是這些議題基本上台美有沒有去觸及到這些議題這個全部都是基於這些國際慣例所以我們也不便在這邊做進一步的一個討論好那我相信現在全國人民其實都非常在乎的問題就是說這一次的實體談判的過程中美方是否有具體要求台灣要在哪些領域做出讓步究竟有沒有要求我們要擴大開放汽車還有農業市場\n\n02:28.999 --> 02:35.625\n尤其是和食安非常有關係的我們現在已經開放美國的豬肉和牛肉究竟有沒有談判到說台灣要進一步的放寬美豬還有美牛的內臟的進口還有我方目前對於放寬美豬美牛內臟的進口的立場是什麼\n\n02:48.675 --> 03:15.110\n謝謝委員的垂詢但是如同我剛剛提到的就是所有的議題美國當然會出於他自己本身的利益可以擴大他的出口的商機可以振興他自己的產業可以降低台美貿易逆差的大概都會是他所提出的關切但是就台灣來說我們台灣也有自己要去堅守的立場所以就這些議題我們仍然會遵守這些所謂的國際標準然後捍衛我們產業跟國家的利益\n\n03:15.550 --> 03:35.942\n所以這個我們等到談判有具體的共識的時候一定會再跟我們的貴院做進一步的報告因為根據媒體報導上面有指出我國對美豬美牛的非關稅避雷以及萊豬的萊克多巴胺的殘留值都是談判卡關的原因之一我國打算放行過去管制美牛內臟還有絞肉還有豬腎的萊劑的容許值比照國際標準\n\n03:40.945 --> 03:40.965\n哈囉\n\n04:08.396 --> 04:35.082\n我想所有的報導都是來自於我們認為美國他可能要去降低貿易逆差然後要去有增加在台灣的出口商機而提出來幫美國去論述這些議題那如同我講的美國有美國的利益但是台灣有台灣的堅持所以我想我們兩邊都會各自去論述自己的主張那我們在努力在做的就是我們尋求大家可以凝聚\n\n04:35.563 --> 04:58.130\n拉近我們彼此的距離達到最後符合台灣產業利益的方案好那除了萊克多巴胺殘留值的檢驗標準之外我在想還有一個問題就是台灣對進口豬肉的標示規定其實也成為美方的批評的焦點那請問副總談判代表還有農業部美方是否提出要求要移除豬肉的產地的標示呢\n\n05:00.061 --> 05:18.219\n我想就是一樣的沒有可以講可以講如果說不能公開的話也沒有關係對我想就是很多的議題也會涉及到除了我們剛剛提到的工業跟農業都是要去尋求一個平衡性但是我們也要去兼顧的是貿易跟產業的平衡性之外台灣有台灣在國際義務上應該遵循國際標準國際潮流的\n\n05:22.643 --> 05:34.897\n按照科學證據風險評估的方式去處理這些跟健康安全有關的食安議題所以我想台灣我們會按照這樣的一個角度持續去作為我們談判的立場\n\n05:36.568 --> 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謝謝委員您應該是把美國的USTR的貿易障礙調查報告做了一個很完整的閱讀我想如同我剛才講的美國每年都在公布這些貿易障礙調查報告而這些問題都是他希望他的對手國要去處理然後因為他的目的只是要去增加他的出口增加他自己產業的競爭力所以如同我剛才提到的美國他可以提出他的訴求但是台灣有台灣的立場"},{"start":427.546,"end":456.742,"text":"所以但是台灣在堅守這個立場的過程我們必須要去考量到產業跟貿易的平衡性以及考量到國際標準現在的這個定位所以我想我們會努力在這方面去做堅持我想北施還是提醒請經貿辦務必還是要為全民的健康要捍衛這整個權益希望不要因為川普的對等的關稅的政策讓我們自己也錯估了情勢這樣會忽略台灣自身的利益還有尤其是國民健康的權益"},{"start":457.267,"end":460.43,"text":"好會按照委員的指示好謝謝那接下來我有請經濟部次長謝謝"},{"start":472.123,"end":485.733,"text":"委員好次長現在南部因為風災其實造成停電的問題相信現在所有的台電的同仁其實都是非常辛苦的搶救中相信全民對沒有電的生活其實大家是都是非常的恐懼的請問次長你擔心台灣會缺電嗎"},{"start":489.891,"end":496.236,"text":"我們有做完整的盤點從2025年到2030年之間的電力每年會成長2.5%這些我們都有掌握當中所以到2030年之前台灣不會缺電"},{"start":504.261,"end":518.454,"text":"那當初的再生能源的政策是不是以廢核和非核家園為出發點呢因此台電你為了彌補這次的供電的缺口其實拼命的燒煤還有燒天然氣發電外也只好全力增加了綠電現在問題就來了就是"},{"start":519.915,"end":523.876,"text":"同時現在目前河山停機之後發電佔比其實已經達九成以上了然後空污和碳排不斷的都在增加那老百姓現在為國家都是用肺在發電付出非常的健康的代價那台灣的電費漲價我們就不用說了半導體經濟的護國神山現在供電的吃緊加上價格的看漲其實再加上美國對等關稅的問題請問台灣的"},{"start":546.401,"end":573.152,"text":"這樣的情況台灣的經濟該如何成長還有你身為經濟部的長官的話一定知道這一次的颱風造成南部非常大的災害還有整個破壞這一次的颱風吹垮了整個光電的設施同時也吹出了台灣光電上面的建設甚至人員政策上面的問題也出來了所以在這些災害裡面最引人矚目的就是最引發討論的甚至批評的就是光電板的災難的問題例如經濟部"},{"start":576.773,"end":598.8,"text":"補助了上億元的海上的光電示範計畫這些就是因為經不起強風催產被吹到海邊去還有光電板浮台的廢棄物就是綿延了超過了一公里還有高雄大樹的河山光電案這也非常清楚的看到光電板廢棄物的災難的問題那這是初試的海上浮動式的光電經濟部說可以抗16級"},{"start":601.481,"end":616.211,"text":"但是結果十二十三級風就垮了那根據統計經濟部這幾年光是建構光電的設施就花了至少兩百億以上的預算這些到現在都是還在接受政府的補助結果一場颱風來就造成了光電板的災難那這要如何上後呢跟委員報告兩點說明第一點是這次確實颱風有造成我們一些光電的暗場"},{"start":628.683,"end":635.289,"text":"有受損害總共大概有33案到目前統計的這個是60MW佔我們全國總總容量的0.4%那第二點有關於您關心的這個我們的這些補助"},{"start":647.407,"end":667.51,"text":"經費補助他這次的這個目標試驗海域福台抗風浪的這個他的最主要目的呢他是一個試驗的性質那我們補助的金額是1.35億元那未來本案呢還是會持續的按照契約的內容來執行我們也要求廠商必須要如期完成"},{"start":668.449,"end":688.526,"text":"海域服務台技術的驗證工作如果他們不能夠一約一約來執行的話我們就不會給他合撥相關的補助款那我們也在清除的部分也經濟部也積極的跟屏東縣府來這個同調希望能夠盡速的完成清除"},{"start":688.966,"end":706.491,"text":"因為最近就是因為天候還有海象不佳所以還是要顧及這個清除人員的安全那天候允許的話我們會加派人力還有相關的機區來完成相關的清雲工作 以上好 希望經濟部可以儘早跟環境部跨部會快點討論規劃怎麼樣去解決這個廢棄的光電板的處置問題是好 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