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00:01:12,894\n對衝擊的準備也會比較妥適那我必須再強調現在是有風災如果風災之後又有一個超越我們想像的這個特別是對我們本土農業的衝擊的話那是影響會很大的所以我看到你在那邊提到說什麼關於\n\n5\n00:01:15,095 --> 00:01:33,023\n鬼頭刀、吳郭魚、鱸魚等等六項產業輸美戰比高這是你對等關稅對我國農業的影響及因應這絕對是避重就輕的特別是進口的部分我必須要確認的是在川普的這個政府全面性的他對許多國家都是要求他們全面性的市場開放\n\n6\n00:01:34,284 --> 00:01:58,061\n我們農業部有沒有針對幾個重要的品項進口的重要的品項要做好這個準備包含稻米豬雞還有水果等所有高風險產業你現在的最壞情況下的衝擊評估是什麼有沒有可不可以簡單跟我們所有的農民朋友來報告一下好謝謝委員關心跟支持我們的台灣農業我想對於不管是出口或進口在農業部來講其實都是重要的這一定是第一點那第二點\n\n7\n00:01:58,661 --> 00:02:15,896\n美國跟台灣的農業的貿易其實是有互補性比方說美國現在到台灣來最多的是黃小玉跟牛肉他進口的主要是這一些那至於剛剛委員提到的豬肉其實台灣豬肉自給率大概90%進口大概10%那10%裡面美國大概佔8%所以他實際能夠供應到台灣其實衝擊不大但即便衝擊不大對農業還是有衝擊所以我想就農業部的立場\n\n8\n00:02:25,575 --> 00:02:47,181\n第一個當然在臺灣上面我們一定維護我們臺灣的農業的重要的競爭力跟我們的永續那農民權益絕對要放在最優先這是第一點那第二點就關切項目比方說像豬肉臺灣自給率百分之九十那農業部要做的是協助我們臺灣的譬如說養豬農也好其他的農業也好特別是這次在風災之後我想\n\n9\n00:02:48,281 --> 00:02:58,513\n嘉義台南真的是受傷很嚴重對我們來講真的心在糖血那怎麼讓我們農業趕快在這個天然災害之後趕快站起來趕快回復工作我想這是農業部刻不容緩的工作\n\n10\n00:02:59,508 --> 00:03:21,021\n農業部既然有這樣的回應我們當然是非常樂觀的看待但是還是要強調包含稻米這一次它不是在我們天災裡面的這個項目裡面全品項裡面它不包含稻米但是現在已經有很多民眾已經特別是我們的農民朋友說因為沒有在裡面但是現在變成說要現勘等等因為它不是在全品項裡面現在開始重新都已經有苗都跑出來了這個問題是很嚴重所以這個\n\n11\n00:03:23,502 --> 00:03:42,604\n既然今天剛好市長在的話麻煩就是一併帶回去討論一下好不好好那這個是第一點對農民的這個讓他整個災害能夠趕快復原這是第一優先的事那日本的這個稻米的這個問題是很嚴重那美國跟日本也因此他的關稅是沒有談好特別對他們的政局有很大的影響這個部分\n\n12\n00:03:44,065 --> 00:04:01,358\n市長可不可以來簡單來回應一下對我國的話會有沒有什麼樣的歧視整體的影響我想農業各個品項其實美方當然有他的期待那對農業部來講其實該要堅守該要保護我們農民這絕對是我們最優先的原則也是我們談判的一個方向\n\n13\n00:04:01,858 --> 00:04:23,914\n所以不管是在任何品項的農業的不管是要去談底線要去談對等要去談開放我想我們都會以最神聖的方式因為台灣農業還是我們自己台灣農業最優先那對於美國來講他來到台灣的就像剛剛提到的不管是黃豆小麥玉米牛肉這是我們台灣需要的品項那我們也會持續這樣對等的來出爐\n\n14\n00:04:26,095 --> 00:04:42,122\n對那我不希望說看到我們的關稅它可能是降低但是它要付出來的代價是一整個農業那特別是我們嘉南地區雲嘉南地區它所代表的人口比例是高的而且他們同時是最脆弱最弱勢的一環\n\n15\n00:04:42,682 --> 00:05:04,322\n因為務農的年齡層又是高的所以在這種雙重的脆弱性的話我們不可以為了幾個強項的產業然後來去犧牲我國的農業特別是在雲江南地區這一個市長麻煩農業部在這一次的談判裡面你們要扮演的角色要更重要不是只是為了工業不會只是為我們高科技產業\n\n16\n00:05:05,523 --> 00:05:20,837\n這個你們要站出來謝謝委員支持台灣農業因為農業確實是一個很特殊的類別因為除了是我們的農地除了是我們的農民其實還有糧食安全所以我想這次我們農業部一定會堅守的立場這個一定要堅守它是我們的重中之重來我們簡單來請外交部謝謝謝謝委員\n\n17\n00:05:31,163 --> 00:05:54,177\n市長現在美國的參議院的軍委會有通過2026年的國防授權法案條文他出了強烈建議我們邀請他們邀請台灣來參加環台軍演他也授權美台共同研發下一代的無人機或反無人機系統那我講這件事情因為他不僅是軍事合作他也是戰略的這個科技產業鏈跨國制度的這個對接的問題\n\n18\n00:05:55,518 --> 00:06:03,317\n那我們台灣的外交系統通常在面對這類議題都往往停留在轉交、陪同就是交給其他相關部會去做\n\n19\n00:06:04,366 --> 00:06:26,067\n但我希望這一次藉著這一次我們希望未來你能夠去塑造情勢而不是被情勢塑造主動要提出你們的戰略因為未來不是只有台美雙邊把這樣子的議題說2026年的這個國防授權法案裡面有強烈建議參加環太軍演還有共同研發是不是你們主動可以跟其他的國家包含\n\n20\n00:06:26,587 --> 00:06:52,146\n日本韓國波蘭你們主動塑造情勢為什麼要特別講到主動塑造情勢因為這些國家都有自主的國防產業都是能夠合作的那特別是韓國我們最近訪韓的時候我有跟他們的包含他的這個之前的日美聯軍的應該是四星的這個上相副總司令有提到這樣子的產業的合作其實韓國的鞠躬產業是可以扮演重要角色特別在危機產業我們都是重要的一環那我想\n\n21\n00:06:52,907 --> 00:07:04,002\n不要說國防部就國防部經濟部就經濟部每一個都是分別的外交部是可以主動去塑造情勢來去率領我們各個部會來去跟這些國家主動接洽創造情勢可不可以\n\n22\n00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:26,418\n謝謝委員的提醒我想這是外交部一直以來的一個重要的目標透過產業的合作事實上包括我們看到最近各國增加國防預算在國防產業的發展上面都提供了很好的一個機會我們希望能夠跟其他的國家合作一方面也能夠帶動我們國內的產業的發展二方面能夠厚實我們的國防的實力\n\n23\n00:07:31,582 --> 00:07:55,981\n那委員的剛才的這樣的一個提法我覺得非常的贊同也是我們外交部努力的方向市長主動出擊就是林部長不是說人人都是外交官嘛每一個地方都是外交部可以來去協助的範疇那特別是我們都知道無人機是國防部、中科院研發、經濟部管理技術等等但是我們現在包含美國國會的這些都是一個很主動的指標那這個指標好像外交部\n\n24\n00:07:57,181 --> 00:08:15,572\n有一個帶領性戰略性的一個考量那再來就是我還是要提醒次長跟外交部的同仁我們其實也不只是外交部的同仁包含國安會的同仁國安會自己要想清楚現在根據PO的民調各個國家對於美方的\n\n25\n00:08:16,983 --> 00:08:25,136\n觀感是有變化的包含他傳統的盟友傳統的盟友裡面甚至有些是認為他是最大的威脅加拿大墨西哥所以我們的措辭\n\n26\n00:08:27,231 --> 00:08:48,878\n外交部當然是比較審慎但過去的外交部沒有那麼審慎不可以只單純的站在美方的立場要注重我們其他盟友的立場包含澳洲包含日本包含歐洲國家不能夠單純的站在一方的立場而不去考量說我們是重視多邊的一個國家不要時時刻刻有一些社群媒體\n\n27\n00:08:50,478 --> 00:09:17,011\n之前的社群媒體就是動不動就爆衝我希望在林部長的這個時代是不會有這樣子的不會有這樣子的狀況出現不會再有這樣的狀況出現這是很嚴肅的議題因為我們看得到這個趨勢是有在改變的但我們要確保的是在印太地區我們每一個盟友我們能夠站在對方的角度跟我們自己的利益同時來去併種而不是只是單純的用爆衝式的言語這是很重要的這是在說外交\n\n28\n00:09:19,073 --> 00:09:38,003\n謝謝,謝謝委員的提醒,我們當然全面的這個關係都要進展,我們包括跟對美、對日、對這個加拿大、對澳洲、對於歐洲的其他的理念相近的國家,我們都同等的重視,那麼我們很多的時候其實在安全的議題之外,在很多的經貿的議題上面,我們一方面也積極的為我們的廠商開拓商機,\n\n29\n00:09:41,525 --> 00:10:08,343\n二方面也是能夠交換意見那麼中國如何共同的因應這個變動中的整個全球經貿的情勢我特別提醒就是以後我們外交我們跟中國是不一樣的國家中國用那種非常強烈式的語言我們就剛好要跟他相反我們要站在跟歐洲國家立場是比較既溫和又理性但是同時能夠關乎我們國家利益然後來去做有效的因應那一定\n\n30\n00:10:08,803 --> 00:10:24,706\n措辭特別是很重要的外交部的這個影響力很大的所以我們希望未來過去的錯誤我們不要再重複因為我聽到很多各個代表處有曾經提到過去這樣好像不太適切我在這邊正式跟你召回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n511\t852\t謝謝召回我們請市長農業部\n10698\t31408\t市長我剛再次重新再研讀你們給我們的報告就是針對我國可能的衝擊那我必須說這種談判桌下隨時可能會重大影響農民的關稅那我們的這個相關的報告裡面他所提到的進口衝擊基本上沒有提\n32048\t56588\t那你是放在出口的影響但是我們知道對農民最大的影響絕對是進口上面的這個衝擊我覺得不是很具體那當然因為這一個今天的這個時間有限那我是希望說未來類似相關的這一種討論有這樣子的質詢的時候麻煩可以把一些影響的衝擊要數字在裡面而不是只有形容詞這樣對我們的整體農業包含農民自己\n57588\t72894\t對衝擊的準備也會比較妥適那我必須再強調現在是有風災如果風災之後又有一個超越我們想像的這個特別是對我們本土農業的衝擊的話那是影響會很大的所以我看到你在那邊提到說什麼關於\n75095\t93023\t鬼頭刀、吳郭魚、鱸魚等等六項產業輸美戰比高這是你對等關稅對我國農業的影響及因應這絕對是避重就輕的特別是進口的部分我必須要確認的是在川普的這個政府全面性的他對許多國家都是要求他們全面性的市場開放\n94284\t118061\t我們農業部有沒有針對幾個重要的品項進口的重要的品項要做好這個準備包含稻米 豬 雞 還有水果等所有高風險產業你現在的最壞情況下的衝擊評估是什麼有沒有可不可以簡單跟我們所有的農民朋友來報告一下好 謝謝委員關心跟支持我們的台灣農業我想對於不管是出口或進口在農業部來講其實都是重要的這一定是第一點那第二點\n118661\t135896\t美國跟台灣的農業的貿易其實是有互補性比方說美國現在到台灣來最多的是黃小玉跟牛肉他進口的主要是這一些那至於剛剛委員提到的豬肉其實台灣豬肉自給率大概90%進口大概10%那10%裡面美國大概佔8%所以他實際能夠供應到台灣其實衝擊不大但即便衝擊不大對農業還是有衝擊所以我想就農業部的立場\n145575\t167181\t第一個當然在臺灣上面我們一定維護我們臺灣的農業的重要的競爭力跟我們的永續那農民權益絕對要放在最優先這是第一點那第二點就關切項目比方說像豬肉臺灣自給率百分之九十那農業部要做的是協助我們臺灣的譬如說養豬農也好其他的農業也好特別是這次在風災之後我想\n168281\t178513\t嘉義台南真的是受傷很嚴重對我們來講真的心在糖血那怎麼讓我們農業趕快在這個天然災害之後趕快站起來趕快回復工作我想這是農業部刻不容緩的工作\n179508\t201021\t農業部既然有這樣的回應我們當然是非常樂觀的看待但是還是要強調包含稻米這一次它不是在我們天災裡面的這個項目裡面全品項裡面它不包含稻米但是現在已經有很多民眾已經特別是我們的農民朋友說因為沒有在裡面但是現在變成說要現勘等等因為它不是在全品項裡面現在開始重新都已經有苗都跑出來了這個問題是很嚴重所以這個\n203502\t222604\t既然今天剛好市長在的話麻煩就是一併帶回去討論一下好不好好那這個是第一點對農民的這個讓他整個災害能夠趕快復原這是第一優先的事那日本的這個稻米的這個問題是很嚴重那美國跟日本也因此他的關稅是沒有談好特別對他們的政局有很大的影響這個部分\n224065\t241358\t市長可不可以來簡單來回應一下對我國的話會有沒有什麼樣的歧視整體的影響我想農業各個品項其實美方當然有他的期待那對農業部來講其實該要堅守該要保護我們農民這絕對是我們最優先的原則也是我們談判的一個方向\n241858\t263914\t所以不管是在任何品項的農業的不管是要去談底線要去談對等要去談開放我想我們都會以最神聖的方式因為台灣農業還是我們自己台灣農業最優先那對於美國來講他來到台灣的就像剛剛提到的不管是黃豆小麥玉米牛肉這是我們台灣需要的品項那我們也會持續這樣對等的來出爐\n266095\t282122\t對 那我不希望說看到我們的關稅它可能是降低但是它要付出來的代價是一整個農業那特別是我們嘉南地區雲嘉南地區它所代表的人口比例是高的而且他們同時是最脆弱最弱勢的一環\n282682\t304322\t因為務農的年齡層又是高的所以在這種雙重的脆弱性的話我們不可以為了幾個強項的產業然後來去犧牲我國的農業特別是在雲江南地區這一個市長麻煩農業部在這一次的談判裡面你們要扮演的角色要更重要不是只是為了工業不會只是為我們高科技產業\n305523\t320837\t這個你們要站出來謝謝委員支持台灣農業因為農業確實是一個很特殊的類別因為除了是我們的農地除了是我們的農民其實還有糧食安全所以我想這次我們農業部一定會堅守的立場這個一定要堅守它是我們的重中之重來 我們簡單來請外交部謝謝 謝謝委員\n331163\t354177\t市長現在美國的參議院的軍委會有通過2026年的國防授權法案條文他出了強烈建議我們邀請他們邀請台灣來參加環台軍演他也授權美台共同研發下一代的無人機或反無人機系統那我講這件事情因為他不僅是軍事合作他也是戰略的這個科技產業鏈跨國制度的這個對接的問題\n355518\t363317\t那我們台灣的外交系統通常在面對這類議題都往往停留在轉交、陪同就是交給其他相關部會去做\n364366\t386067\t但我希望這一次藉著這一次我們希望未來你能夠去塑造情勢而不是被情勢塑造主動要提出你們的戰略因為未來不是只有台美雙邊把這樣子的議題說2026年的這個國防授權法案裡面有強烈建議參加環太軍演還有共同研發是不是你們主動可以跟其他的國家包含\n386587\t412146\t日本 韓國 波蘭你們主動塑造情勢為什麼要特別講到主動塑造情勢因為這些國家都有自主的國防產業都是能夠合作的那特別是韓國我們最近訪韓的時候我有跟他們的包含他的這個之前的日美聯軍的應該是四星的這個上相副總司令有提到這樣子的產業的合作其實韓國的鞠躬產業是可以扮演重要角色特別在危機產業我們都是重要的一環那我想\n412907\t424002\t不要說國防部就國防部經濟部就經濟部每一個都是分別的外交部是可以主動去塑造情勢來去率領我們各個部會來去跟這些國家主動接洽創造情勢可不可以\n426560\t446418\t謝謝委員的提醒我想這是外交部一直以來的一個重要的目標透過產業的合作事實上包括我們看到最近各國增加國防預算在國防產業的發展上面都提供了很好的一個機會我們希望能夠跟其他的國家合作一方面也能夠帶動我們國內的產業的發展二方面能夠厚實我們的國防的實力\n451582\t475981\t那委員的剛才的這樣的一個提法我覺得非常的贊同也是我們外交部努力的方向市長主動出擊就是林部長不是說人人都是外交官嘛每一個地方都是外交部可以來去協助的範疇那特別是我們都知道無人機是國防部、中科院研發、經濟部管理技術等等但是我們現在包含美國國會的這些都是一個很主動的指標那這個指標好像外交部\n477181\t495572\t有一個帶領性戰略性的一個考量那再來就是我還是要提醒次長跟外交部的同仁我們其實也不只是外交部的同仁包含國安會的同仁國安會自己要想清楚現在根據PO的民調各個國家對於美方的\n496983\t505136\t觀感是有變化的包含他傳統的盟友傳統的盟友裡面甚至有些是認為他是最大的威脅加拿大 墨西哥所以我們的措辭\n507231\t528878\t外交部當然是比較審慎但過去的外交部沒有那麼審慎不可以只單純的站在美方的立場要注重我們其他盟友的立場包含澳洲 包含日本包含歐洲國家不能夠單純的站在一方的立場而不去考量說我們是重視多邊的一個國家不要時時刻刻有一些社群媒體\n530478\t557011\t之前的社群媒體就是動不動就爆衝我希望在林部長的這個時代是不會有這樣子的不會有這樣子的狀況出現不會再有這樣的狀況出現這是很嚴肅的議題因為我們看得到這個趨勢是有在改變的但我們要確保的是在印太地區我們每一個盟友我們能夠站在對方的角度跟我們自己的利益同時來去併種而不是只是單純的用爆衝式的言語這是很重要的這是在說外交\n559073\t578003\t謝謝,謝謝委員的提醒,我們當然全面的這個關係都要進展,我們包括跟對美、對日、對這個加拿大、對澳洲、對於歐洲的其他的理念相近的國家,我們都同等的重視,那麼我們很多的時候其實在安全的議題之外,在很多的經貿的議題上面,我們一方面也積極的為我們的廠商開拓商機,\n581525\t608343\t二方面也是能夠交換意見那麼中國如何共同的因應這個變動中的整個全球經貿的情勢我特別提醒就是以後我們外交我們跟中國是不一樣的國家中國用那種非常強烈式的語言我們就剛好要跟他相反我們要站在跟歐洲國家立場是比較既溫和又理性但是同時能夠關乎我們國家利益然後來去做有效的因應那一定\n608803\t624706\t措辭特別是很重要的外交部的這個影響力很大的所以我們希望未來過去的錯誤我們不要再重複因為我聽到很多各個代表處有曾經提到過去這樣好像不太適切我在這邊正式跟你召回\n","txt":"謝謝召回我們請市長農業部\n市長我剛再次重新再研讀你們給我們的報告就是針對我國可能的衝擊那我必須說這種談判桌下隨時可能會重大影響農民的關稅那我們的這個相關的報告裡面他所提到的進口衝擊基本上沒有提\n那你是放在出口的影響但是我們知道對農民最大的影響絕對是進口上面的這個衝擊我覺得不是很具體那當然因為這一個今天的這個時間有限那我是希望說未來類似相關的這一種討論有這樣子的質詢的時候麻煩可以把一些影響的衝擊要數字在裡面而不是只有形容詞這樣對我們的整體農業包含農民自己\n對衝擊的準備也會比較妥適那我必須再強調現在是有風災如果風災之後又有一個超越我們想像的這個特別是對我們本土農業的衝擊的話那是影響會很大的所以我看到你在那邊提到說什麼關於\n鬼頭刀、吳郭魚、鱸魚等等六項產業輸美戰比高這是你對等關稅對我國農業的影響及因應這絕對是避重就輕的特別是進口的部分我必須要確認的是在川普的這個政府全面性的他對許多國家都是要求他們全面性的市場開放\n我們農業部有沒有針對幾個重要的品項進口的重要的品項要做好這個準備包含稻米 豬 雞 還有水果等所有高風險產業你現在的最壞情況下的衝擊評估是什麼有沒有可不可以簡單跟我們所有的農民朋友來報告一下好 謝謝委員關心跟支持我們的台灣農業我想對於不管是出口或進口在農業部來講其實都是重要的這一定是第一點那第二點\n美國跟台灣的農業的貿易其實是有互補性比方說美國現在到台灣來最多的是黃小玉跟牛肉他進口的主要是這一些那至於剛剛委員提到的豬肉其實台灣豬肉自給率大概90%進口大概10%那10%裡面美國大概佔8%所以他實際能夠供應到台灣其實衝擊不大但即便衝擊不大對農業還是有衝擊所以我想就農業部的立場\n第一個當然在臺灣上面我們一定維護我們臺灣的農業的重要的競爭力跟我們的永續那農民權益絕對要放在最優先這是第一點那第二點就關切項目比方說像豬肉臺灣自給率百分之九十那農業部要做的是協助我們臺灣的譬如說養豬農也好其他的農業也好特別是這次在風災之後我想\n嘉義台南真的是受傷很嚴重對我們來講真的心在糖血那怎麼讓我們農業趕快在這個天然災害之後趕快站起來趕快回復工作我想這是農業部刻不容緩的工作\n農業部既然有這樣的回應我們當然是非常樂觀的看待但是還是要強調包含稻米這一次它不是在我們天災裡面的這個項目裡面全品項裡面它不包含稻米但是現在已經有很多民眾已經特別是我們的農民朋友說因為沒有在裡面但是現在變成說要現勘等等因為它不是在全品項裡面現在開始重新都已經有苗都跑出來了這個問題是很嚴重所以這個\n既然今天剛好市長在的話麻煩就是一併帶回去討論一下好不好好那這個是第一點對農民的這個讓他整個災害能夠趕快復原這是第一優先的事那日本的這個稻米的這個問題是很嚴重那美國跟日本也因此他的關稅是沒有談好特別對他們的政局有很大的影響這個部分\n市長可不可以來簡單來回應一下對我國的話會有沒有什麼樣的歧視整體的影響我想農業各個品項其實美方當然有他的期待那對農業部來講其實該要堅守該要保護我們農民這絕對是我們最優先的原則也是我們談判的一個方向\n所以不管是在任何品項的農業的不管是要去談底線要去談對等要去談開放我想我們都會以最神聖的方式因為台灣農業還是我們自己台灣農業最優先那對於美國來講他來到台灣的就像剛剛提到的不管是黃豆小麥玉米牛肉這是我們台灣需要的品項那我們也會持續這樣對等的來出爐\n對 那我不希望說看到我們的關稅它可能是降低但是它要付出來的代價是一整個農業那特別是我們嘉南地區雲嘉南地區它所代表的人口比例是高的而且他們同時是最脆弱最弱勢的一環\n因為務農的年齡層又是高的所以在這種雙重的脆弱性的話我們不可以為了幾個強項的產業然後來去犧牲我國的農業特別是在雲江南地區這一個市長麻煩農業部在這一次的談判裡面你們要扮演的角色要更重要不是只是為了工業不會只是為我們高科技產業\n這個你們要站出來謝謝委員支持台灣農業因為農業確實是一個很特殊的類別因為除了是我們的農地除了是我們的農民其實還有糧食安全所以我想這次我們農業部一定會堅守的立場這個一定要堅守它是我們的重中之重來 我們簡單來請外交部謝謝 謝謝委員\n市長現在美國的參議院的軍委會有通過2026年的國防授權法案條文他出了強烈建議我們邀請他們邀請台灣來參加環台軍演他也授權美台共同研發下一代的無人機或反無人機系統那我講這件事情因為他不僅是軍事合作他也是戰略的這個科技產業鏈跨國制度的這個對接的問題\n那我們台灣的外交系統通常在面對這類議題都往往停留在轉交、陪同就是交給其他相關部會去做\n但我希望這一次藉著這一次我們希望未來你能夠去塑造情勢而不是被情勢塑造主動要提出你們的戰略因為未來不是只有台美雙邊把這樣子的議題說2026年的這個國防授權法案裡面有強烈建議參加環太軍演還有共同研發是不是你們主動可以跟其他的國家包含\n日本 韓國 波蘭你們主動塑造情勢為什麼要特別講到主動塑造情勢因為這些國家都有自主的國防產業都是能夠合作的那特別是韓國我們最近訪韓的時候我有跟他們的包含他的這個之前的日美聯軍的應該是四星的這個上相副總司令有提到這樣子的產業的合作其實韓國的鞠躬產業是可以扮演重要角色特別在危機產業我們都是重要的一環那我想\n不要說國防部就國防部經濟部就經濟部每一個都是分別的外交部是可以主動去塑造情勢來去率領我們各個部會來去跟這些國家主動接洽創造情勢可不可以\n謝謝委員的提醒我想這是外交部一直以來的一個重要的目標透過產業的合作事實上包括我們看到最近各國增加國防預算在國防產業的發展上面都提供了很好的一個機會我們希望能夠跟其他的國家合作一方面也能夠帶動我們國內的產業的發展二方面能夠厚實我們的國防的實力\n那委員的剛才的這樣的一個提法我覺得非常的贊同也是我們外交部努力的方向市長主動出擊就是林部長不是說人人都是外交官嘛每一個地方都是外交部可以來去協助的範疇那特別是我們都知道無人機是國防部、中科院研發、經濟部管理技術等等但是我們現在包含美國國會的這些都是一個很主動的指標那這個指標好像外交部\n有一個帶領性戰略性的一個考量那再來就是我還是要提醒次長跟外交部的同仁我們其實也不只是外交部的同仁包含國安會的同仁國安會自己要想清楚現在根據PO的民調各個國家對於美方的\n觀感是有變化的包含他傳統的盟友傳統的盟友裡面甚至有些是認為他是最大的威脅加拿大 墨西哥所以我們的措辭\n外交部當然是比較審慎但過去的外交部沒有那麼審慎不可以只單純的站在美方的立場要注重我們其他盟友的立場包含澳洲 包含日本包含歐洲國家不能夠單純的站在一方的立場而不去考量說我們是重視多邊的一個國家不要時時刻刻有一些社群媒體\n之前的社群媒體就是動不動就爆衝我希望在林部長的這個時代是不會有這樣子的不會有這樣子的狀況出現不會再有這樣的狀況出現這是很嚴肅的議題因為我們看得到這個趨勢是有在改變的但我們要確保的是在印太地區我們每一個盟友我們能夠站在對方的角度跟我們自己的利益同時來去併種而不是只是單純的用爆衝式的言語這是很重要的這是在說外交\n謝謝,謝謝委員的提醒,我們當然全面的這個關係都要進展,我們包括跟對美、對日、對這個加拿大、對澳洲、對於歐洲的其他的理念相近的國家,我們都同等的重視,那麼我們很多的時候其實在安全的議題之外,在很多的經貿的議題上面,我們一方面也積極的為我們的廠商開拓商機,\n二方面也是能夠交換意見那麼中國如何共同的因應這個變動中的整個全球經貿的情勢我特別提醒就是以後我們外交我們跟中國是不一樣的國家中國用那種非常強烈式的語言我們就剛好要跟他相反我們要站在跟歐洲國家立場是比較既溫和又理性但是同時能夠關乎我們國家利益然後來去做有效的因應那一定\n措辭特別是很重要的外交部的這個影響力很大的所以我們希望未來過去的錯誤我們不要再重複因為我聽到很多各個代表處有曾經提到過去這樣好像不太適切我在這邊正式跟你召回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.511 --> 00:00.852\n謝謝召回我們請市長農業部\n\n00:10.698 --> 00:31.408\n市長我剛再次重新再研讀你們給我們的報告就是針對我國可能的衝擊那我必須說這種談判桌下隨時可能會重大影響農民的關稅那我們的這個相關的報告裡面他所提到的進口衝擊基本上沒有提\n\n00:32.048 --> 00:56.588\n那你是放在出口的影響但是我們知道對農民最大的影響絕對是進口上面的這個衝擊我覺得不是很具體那當然因為這一個今天的這個時間有限那我是希望說未來類似相關的這一種討論有這樣子的質詢的時候麻煩可以把一些影響的衝擊要數字在裡面而不是只有形容詞這樣對我們的整體農業包含農民自己\n\n00:57.588 --> 01:12.894\n對衝擊的準備也會比較妥適那我必須再強調現在是有風災如果風災之後又有一個超越我們想像的這個特別是對我們本土農業的衝擊的話那是影響會很大的所以我看到你在那邊提到說什麼關於\n\n01:15.095 --> 01:33.023\n鬼頭刀、吳郭魚、鱸魚等等六項產業輸美戰比高這是你對等關稅對我國農業的影響及因應這絕對是避重就輕的特別是進口的部分我必須要確認的是在川普的這個政府全面性的他對許多國家都是要求他們全面性的市場開放\n\n01:34.284 --> 01:58.061\n我們農業部有沒有針對幾個重要的品項進口的重要的品項要做好這個準備包含稻米豬雞還有水果等所有高風險產業你現在的最壞情況下的衝擊評估是什麼有沒有可不可以簡單跟我們所有的農民朋友來報告一下好謝謝委員關心跟支持我們的台灣農業我想對於不管是出口或進口在農業部來講其實都是重要的這一定是第一點那第二點\n\n01:58.661 --> 02:15.896\n美國跟台灣的農業的貿易其實是有互補性比方說美國現在到台灣來最多的是黃小玉跟牛肉他進口的主要是這一些那至於剛剛委員提到的豬肉其實台灣豬肉自給率大概90%進口大概10%那10%裡面美國大概佔8%所以他實際能夠供應到台灣其實衝擊不大但即便衝擊不大對農業還是有衝擊所以我想就農業部的立場\n\n02:25.575 --> 02:47.181\n第一個當然在臺灣上面我們一定維護我們臺灣的農業的重要的競爭力跟我們的永續那農民權益絕對要放在最優先這是第一點那第二點就關切項目比方說像豬肉臺灣自給率百分之九十那農業部要做的是協助我們臺灣的譬如說養豬農也好其他的農業也好特別是這次在風災之後我想\n\n02:48.281 --> 02:58.513\n嘉義台南真的是受傷很嚴重對我們來講真的心在糖血那怎麼讓我們農業趕快在這個天然災害之後趕快站起來趕快回復工作我想這是農業部刻不容緩的工作\n\n02:59.508 --> 03:21.021\n農業部既然有這樣的回應我們當然是非常樂觀的看待但是還是要強調包含稻米這一次它不是在我們天災裡面的這個項目裡面全品項裡面它不包含稻米但是現在已經有很多民眾已經特別是我們的農民朋友說因為沒有在裡面但是現在變成說要現勘等等因為它不是在全品項裡面現在開始重新都已經有苗都跑出來了這個問題是很嚴重所以這個\n\n03:23.502 --> 03:42.604\n既然今天剛好市長在的話麻煩就是一併帶回去討論一下好不好好那這個是第一點對農民的這個讓他整個災害能夠趕快復原這是第一優先的事那日本的這個稻米的這個問題是很嚴重那美國跟日本也因此他的關稅是沒有談好特別對他們的政局有很大的影響這個部分\n\n03:44.065 --> 04:01.358\n市長可不可以來簡單來回應一下對我國的話會有沒有什麼樣的歧視整體的影響我想農業各個品項其實美方當然有他的期待那對農業部來講其實該要堅守該要保護我們農民這絕對是我們最優先的原則也是我們談判的一個方向\n\n04:01.858 --> 04:23.914\n所以不管是在任何品項的農業的不管是要去談底線要去談對等要去談開放我想我們都會以最神聖的方式因為台灣農業還是我們自己台灣農業最優先那對於美國來講他來到台灣的就像剛剛提到的不管是黃豆小麥玉米牛肉這是我們台灣需要的品項那我們也會持續這樣對等的來出爐\n\n04:26.095 --> 04:42.122\n對那我不希望說看到我們的關稅它可能是降低但是它要付出來的代價是一整個農業那特別是我們嘉南地區雲嘉南地區它所代表的人口比例是高的而且他們同時是最脆弱最弱勢的一環\n\n04:42.682 --> 05:04.322\n因為務農的年齡層又是高的所以在這種雙重的脆弱性的話我們不可以為了幾個強項的產業然後來去犧牲我國的農業特別是在雲江南地區這一個市長麻煩農業部在這一次的談判裡面你們要扮演的角色要更重要不是只是為了工業不會只是為我們高科技產業\n\n05:05.523 --> 05:20.837\n這個你們要站出來謝謝委員支持台灣農業因為農業確實是一個很特殊的類別因為除了是我們的農地除了是我們的農民其實還有糧食安全所以我想這次我們農業部一定會堅守的立場這個一定要堅守它是我們的重中之重來我們簡單來請外交部謝謝謝謝委員\n\n05:31.163 --> 05:54.177\n市長現在美國的參議院的軍委會有通過2026年的國防授權法案條文他出了強烈建議我們邀請他們邀請台灣來參加環台軍演他也授權美台共同研發下一代的無人機或反無人機系統那我講這件事情因為他不僅是軍事合作他也是戰略的這個科技產業鏈跨國制度的這個對接的問題\n\n05:55.518 --> 06:03.317\n那我們台灣的外交系統通常在面對這類議題都往往停留在轉交、陪同就是交給其他相關部會去做\n\n06:04.366 --> 06:26.067\n但我希望這一次藉著這一次我們希望未來你能夠去塑造情勢而不是被情勢塑造主動要提出你們的戰略因為未來不是只有台美雙邊把這樣子的議題說2026年的這個國防授權法案裡面有強烈建議參加環太軍演還有共同研發是不是你們主動可以跟其他的國家包含\n\n06:26.587 --> 06:52.146\n日本韓國波蘭你們主動塑造情勢為什麼要特別講到主動塑造情勢因為這些國家都有自主的國防產業都是能夠合作的那特別是韓國我們最近訪韓的時候我有跟他們的包含他的這個之前的日美聯軍的應該是四星的這個上相副總司令有提到這樣子的產業的合作其實韓國的鞠躬產業是可以扮演重要角色特別在危機產業我們都是重要的一環那我想\n\n06:52.907 --> 07:04.002\n不要說國防部就國防部經濟部就經濟部每一個都是分別的外交部是可以主動去塑造情勢來去率領我們各個部會來去跟這些國家主動接洽創造情勢可不可以\n\n07:06.560 --> 07:26.418\n謝謝委員的提醒我想這是外交部一直以來的一個重要的目標透過產業的合作事實上包括我們看到最近各國增加國防預算在國防產業的發展上面都提供了很好的一個機會我們希望能夠跟其他的國家合作一方面也能夠帶動我們國內的產業的發展二方面能夠厚實我們的國防的實力\n\n07:31.582 --> 07:55.981\n那委員的剛才的這樣的一個提法我覺得非常的贊同也是我們外交部努力的方向市長主動出擊就是林部長不是說人人都是外交官嘛每一個地方都是外交部可以來去協助的範疇那特別是我們都知道無人機是國防部、中科院研發、經濟部管理技術等等但是我們現在包含美國國會的這些都是一個很主動的指標那這個指標好像外交部\n\n07:57.181 --> 08:15.572\n有一個帶領性戰略性的一個考量那再來就是我還是要提醒次長跟外交部的同仁我們其實也不只是外交部的同仁包含國安會的同仁國安會自己要想清楚現在根據PO的民調各個國家對於美方的\n\n08:16.983 --> 08:25.136\n觀感是有變化的包含他傳統的盟友傳統的盟友裡面甚至有些是認為他是最大的威脅加拿大墨西哥所以我們的措辭\n\n08:27.231 --> 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