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00:00:06,406\n主席我們請這個我們經貿談判辦公室的嚴副總談判代表\n\n2\n00:00:13,340 --> 00:00:39,690\n您好,辛苦了這一陣子我們的經貿談判辦公室請問一下副總代表,這個按照你們的資料川普總統在7月7號簽署行政命令目前台灣的關稅應該就是屬於這10%嘛對不對這個暫時的關稅然後呢延長到8月1號那所以呢我想請問一下這個在這段期間在8月1號之前我們的關稅就是10%\n\n3\n00:00:41,328 --> 00:01:06,670\n八月一號之前會不會有什麼樣的變化八月一號以前按照現在川普總統的這個信函的說法是不會有變化的還有行政命令的公告對那可是他也常常開講嘛比如說像今天他就講說跟這個印尼的這一個關稅是多少然後就說有宣布說有一百多個小國家關稅可能就會比十趴再多一點點那會在八月一號之前有任何的變化嗎\n\n4\n00:01:07,915 --> 00:01:23,828\n這些國家他只是告訴他們說8月1號以前請你們努力來跟美國協商如果你沒有在8月1號以前協商一個新的稅率的話那8月1號以後你的稅率就是像今年的印尼可能就是19%像歐盟可能就30%\n\n5\n00:01:25,539 --> 00:01:48,187\n那在這一段期間這些國家也同樣還是10%的暫行關稅所以台灣在8月1號之前有可能都是維持10%的關稅就對了現在的行政命令川普的做法確實所有的國家不論有沒有收到信函都還是8月1號以前都是10%的暫行關稅那現在是不是可以說nonewsisgoodnews\n\n6\n00:01:49,782 --> 00:02:17,523\n我覺得我們不論有沒有收到信函對台灣來說努力在這個關鍵的最後一里路我們努力衝刺就是在8月1號我們要取得最好的關稅那我覺得就是我們現在談判團隊在努力做的事情好那按照你們的資料就是說你們現在當然你們也很辛苦在5月1號6月25號7月8號都有在美國華府完成這個實體的這個諮商那你們也希望說在8月1號之前完成協議\n\n7\n00:02:19,224 --> 00:02:44,602\n然後呢也初步約定下一輪實體磋商的時程那如果按照你們的資料這樣來講話是不是在8月1號之前先會有一個暫定的一個協議然後呢但是這可能不是最終的協議到了8月1號之後你們會再去華府再跟這一個美國的這一個比如說商務部或是他們貿易代表再進行實體磋商\n\n8\n00:02:46,291 --> 00:03:14,530\n跟委員報告我想美國現在的做法呢因為我們聽到很多其他國家的訊息也是眾所紛紜有的國家可能直接他們已經達到了所謂原則性的共識有的國家提到他們會簽聯合聲明那我想台灣不論我們是要走哪一個形式我們的重點是跟美方達成共識那這個共識是用什麼法律文件來呈現我想都不是我們現在主要的這個優先目標\n\n9\n00:03:17,332 --> 00:03:36,903\n實質內容我覺得會比法律文件的形式更是我們現在想要去關切的部分那我的意思是說在努力在8月1號之前你們希望能夠達成協議但是你們也約好了下一次實體談判的一個時程所以我的意思是說還會再去美國再去談就對了\n\n10\n00:03:42,618 --> 00:04:07,990\n我想我們現在的規劃是希望可以在實體的對話但是我們也知道現在應該拿到有25個經濟體已經收到的信函一定大家都在華府排隊要跟他們談判所以我們當然很努力的要去掛上號但是不論怎麼樣我們一定會在8月1號以前希望要跟美方用各種形式去交換意見重點就是8月1號以前我們要拿到協議好\n\n11\n00:04:09,434 --> 00:04:25,289\n那在談判的過程當中我都是看你們的資料來講就是說這樣看起來就是有兩個地方一個是貿易的逆差另外一個是非關稅的貿易障礙\n\n12\n00:04:28,012 --> 00:04:47,065\n那因為按照你們這一個貿易障礙來講你們這邊有提到說我們會以維護國民健康為原則並在符合科學證據國際標準國際經貿的規範求取平衡這一段的敘述啦雖然沒有提到農業但是我看起來像是在談農業是不是\n\n13\n00:04:49,359 --> 00:05:15,686\n我想我們可以從美國基本上在對等關稅這個談判的訴求它叫做ReciprocalTrade那剛剛實際上有好多委員都有追尋到什麼叫做對等這是美國認為這個談判過去以來它所面對的各國的關稅結構對它是不對等不公平的所以對等關稅的談判它的目的就是希望要去重新改造這個關稅結構那所以當然就會涉及到台灣現在的進口關稅結構對美國來說\n\n14\n00:05:17,827 --> 00:05:42,919\n他覺得有沒有是產生他的貿易逆差的關鍵因素或者是有沒有對他的出口利益產生了一些阻礙那我覺得這很多的議題都是美國本身利益的訴求可是對台灣來說如同剛才委員特別點出來的我們就是繼續堅持我們認為有些東西可以討論但是有些東西我們就是有我們自己的產業利益跟國家利益存在但\n\n15\n00:05:44,059 --> 00:05:59,426\n這整個過程我們就是在求取貿易跟產業之間的最大平衡談判本來就是這樣子一定有我們自己核心的利益那些東西是不能讓在美國來講它也是它有一些東西它也不能讓\n\n16\n00:06:00,586 --> 00:06:17,477\n那當然就是雙方在談判,這才有的談,我只是說按照你們提供的資料啦,因為談判都還在進行當中,其實也不宜問太多太細,我只是就公開的資料,可以看到說你們一個是在談貿易逆差,另外一個是在談這個非關稅的障礙,那我一看\n\n17\n00:06:18,237 --> 00:06:43,510\n我覺得啦是在談這個農業農業對於我相信剛剛也有很多立委都有提到有關農業的這些核心利益台灣還是要守住那當然就是看你們怎麼去跟美國在談直接說看到目前為止就是有兩個東西必須要再去做處理的所以在8月1號之前會有驚喜嗎\n\n18\n00:06:45,717 --> 00:06:52,305\n我們會希望為國人帶來驚喜喜悅的結果好OK好謝謝謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n330\t6406\t主席我們請這個我們經貿談判辦公室的嚴副總談判代表\n13340\t39690\t您好,辛苦了這一陣子我們的經貿談判辦公室請問一下副總代表,這個按照你們的資料川普總統在7月7號簽署行政命令目前台灣的關稅應該就是屬於這10%嘛對不對這個暫時的關稅然後呢延長到8月1號那所以呢我想請問一下這個在這段期間在8月1號之前我們的關稅就是10%\n41328\t66670\t八月一號之前會不會有什麼樣的變化八月一號以前按照現在川普總統的這個信函的說法是不會有變化的還有行政命令的公告對那可是他也常常開講嘛比如說像今天他就講說跟這個印尼的這一個關稅是多少然後就說有宣布說有一百多個小國家關稅可能就會比十趴再多一點點那會在八月一號之前有任何的變化嗎\n67915\t83828\t這些國家他只是告訴他們說8月1號以前請你們努力來跟美國協商如果你沒有在8月1號以前協商一個新的稅率的話那8月1號以後你的稅率就是像今年的印尼可能就是19%像歐盟可能就30%\n85539\t108187\t那在這一段期間這些國家也同樣還是10%的暫行關稅所以台灣在8月1號之前有可能都是維持10%的關稅就對了現在的行政命令川普的做法確實所有的國家不論有沒有收到信函都還是8月1號以前都是10%的暫行關稅那現在是不是可以說no news is good news\n109782\t137523\t我覺得我們不論有沒有收到信函對台灣來說努力在這個關鍵的最後一里路我們努力衝刺就是在8月1號我們要取得最好的關稅那我覺得就是我們現在談判團隊在努力做的事情好那按照你們的資料就是說你們現在當然你們也很辛苦在5月1號6月25號7月8號都有在美國華府完成這個實體的這個諮商那你們也希望說在8月1號之前完成協議\n139224\t164602\t然後呢 也初步約定下一輪實體磋商的時程那如果按照你們的資料這樣來講話是不是在8月1號之前先會有一個暫定的一個協議然後呢 但是這可能不是最終的協議到了8月1號之後你們會再去華府再跟這一個美國的這一個 比如說商務部或是他們貿易代表再進行實體磋商\n166291\t194530\t跟委員報告我想美國現在的做法呢因為我們聽到很多其他國家的訊息也是眾所紛紜有的國家可能直接他們已經達到了所謂原則性的共識有的國家提到他們會簽聯合聲明那我想台灣不論我們是要走哪一個形式我們的重點是跟美方達成共識那這個共識是用什麼法律文件來呈現我想都不是我們現在主要的這個優先目標\n197332\t216903\t實質內容我覺得會比法律文件的形式更是我們現在想要去關切的部分那我的意思是說在努力在8月1號之前你們希望能夠達成協議但是你們也約好了下一次實體談判的一個時程所以我的意思是說還會再去美國再去談就對了\n222618\t247990\t我想我們現在的規劃是希望可以在實體的對話但是我們也知道現在應該拿到有25個經濟體已經收到的信函一定大家都在華府排隊要跟他們談判所以我們當然很努力的要去掛上號但是不論怎麼樣我們一定會在8月1號以前希望要跟美方用各種形式去交換意見重點就是8月1號以前我們要拿到協議好\n249434\t265289\t那在談判的過程當中我都是看你們的資料來講就是說這樣看起來就是有兩個地方一個是貿易的逆差另外一個是非關稅的貿易障礙\n268012\t287065\t那因為按照你們這一個貿易障礙來講你們這邊有提到說我們會以維護國民健康為原則並在符合科學證據 國際標準 國際經貿的規範求取平衡這一段的敘述啦雖然沒有提到農業但是我看起來像是在談農業是不是\n289359\t315686\t我想我們可以從美國基本上在對等關稅這個談判的訴求它叫做Reciprocal Trade那剛剛實際上有好多委員都有追尋到什麼叫做對等這是美國認為這個談判過去以來它所面對的各國的關稅結構對它是不對等不公平的所以對等關稅的談判它的目的就是希望要去重新改造這個關稅結構那所以當然就會涉及到台灣現在的進口關稅結構對美國來說\n317827\t342919\t他覺得有沒有是產生他的貿易逆差的關鍵因素或者是有沒有對他的出口利益產生了一些阻礙那我覺得這很多的議題都是美國本身利益的訴求可是對台灣來說如同剛才委員特別點出來的我們就是繼續堅持我們認為有些東西可以討論但是有些東西我們就是有我們自己的產業利益跟國家利益存在但\n344059\t359426\t這整個過程我們就是在求取貿易跟產業之間的最大平衡談判本來就是這樣子一定有我們自己核心的利益那些東西是不能讓在美國來講它也是它有一些東西它也不能讓\n360586\t377477\t那當然就是雙方在談判,這才有的談,我只是說按照你們提供的資料啦,因為談判都還在進行當中,其實也不宜問太多太細,我只是就公開的資料,可以看到說你們一個是在談貿易逆差,另外一個是在談這個非關稅的障礙,那我一看\n378237\t403510\t我覺得啦 是在談這個農業農業對於 我相信剛剛也有很多立委都有提到有關農業的這些核心利益台灣還是要守住那當然就是看你們怎麼去跟美國在談直接說看到目前為止就是有兩個東西必須要再去做處理的所以在8月1號之前會有驚喜嗎\n405717\t412305\t我們會希望為國人帶來驚喜 喜悅的結果好 OK 好 謝謝 謝謝主席\n","txt":"主席我們請這個我們經貿談判辦公室的嚴副總談判代表\n您好,辛苦了這一陣子我們的經貿談判辦公室請問一下副總代表,這個按照你們的資料川普總統在7月7號簽署行政命令目前台灣的關稅應該就是屬於這10%嘛對不對這個暫時的關稅然後呢延長到8月1號那所以呢我想請問一下這個在這段期間在8月1號之前我們的關稅就是10%\n八月一號之前會不會有什麼樣的變化八月一號以前按照現在川普總統的這個信函的說法是不會有變化的還有行政命令的公告對那可是他也常常開講嘛比如說像今天他就講說跟這個印尼的這一個關稅是多少然後就說有宣布說有一百多個小國家關稅可能就會比十趴再多一點點那會在八月一號之前有任何的變化嗎\n這些國家他只是告訴他們說8月1號以前請你們努力來跟美國協商如果你沒有在8月1號以前協商一個新的稅率的話那8月1號以後你的稅率就是像今年的印尼可能就是19%像歐盟可能就30%\n那在這一段期間這些國家也同樣還是10%的暫行關稅所以台灣在8月1號之前有可能都是維持10%的關稅就對了現在的行政命令川普的做法確實所有的國家不論有沒有收到信函都還是8月1號以前都是10%的暫行關稅那現在是不是可以說no news is good news\n我覺得我們不論有沒有收到信函對台灣來說努力在這個關鍵的最後一里路我們努力衝刺就是在8月1號我們要取得最好的關稅那我覺得就是我們現在談判團隊在努力做的事情好那按照你們的資料就是說你們現在當然你們也很辛苦在5月1號6月25號7月8號都有在美國華府完成這個實體的這個諮商那你們也希望說在8月1號之前完成協議\n然後呢 也初步約定下一輪實體磋商的時程那如果按照你們的資料這樣來講話是不是在8月1號之前先會有一個暫定的一個協議然後呢 但是這可能不是最終的協議到了8月1號之後你們會再去華府再跟這一個美國的這一個 比如說商務部或是他們貿易代表再進行實體磋商\n跟委員報告我想美國現在的做法呢因為我們聽到很多其他國家的訊息也是眾所紛紜有的國家可能直接他們已經達到了所謂原則性的共識有的國家提到他們會簽聯合聲明那我想台灣不論我們是要走哪一個形式我們的重點是跟美方達成共識那這個共識是用什麼法律文件來呈現我想都不是我們現在主要的這個優先目標\n實質內容我覺得會比法律文件的形式更是我們現在想要去關切的部分那我的意思是說在努力在8月1號之前你們希望能夠達成協議但是你們也約好了下一次實體談判的一個時程所以我的意思是說還會再去美國再去談就對了\n我想我們現在的規劃是希望可以在實體的對話但是我們也知道現在應該拿到有25個經濟體已經收到的信函一定大家都在華府排隊要跟他們談判所以我們當然很努力的要去掛上號但是不論怎麼樣我們一定會在8月1號以前希望要跟美方用各種形式去交換意見重點就是8月1號以前我們要拿到協議好\n那在談判的過程當中我都是看你們的資料來講就是說這樣看起來就是有兩個地方一個是貿易的逆差另外一個是非關稅的貿易障礙\n那因為按照你們這一個貿易障礙來講你們這邊有提到說我們會以維護國民健康為原則並在符合科學證據 國際標準 國際經貿的規範求取平衡這一段的敘述啦雖然沒有提到農業但是我看起來像是在談農業是不是\n我想我們可以從美國基本上在對等關稅這個談判的訴求它叫做Reciprocal Trade那剛剛實際上有好多委員都有追尋到什麼叫做對等這是美國認為這個談判過去以來它所面對的各國的關稅結構對它是不對等不公平的所以對等關稅的談判它的目的就是希望要去重新改造這個關稅結構那所以當然就會涉及到台灣現在的進口關稅結構對美國來說\n他覺得有沒有是產生他的貿易逆差的關鍵因素或者是有沒有對他的出口利益產生了一些阻礙那我覺得這很多的議題都是美國本身利益的訴求可是對台灣來說如同剛才委員特別點出來的我們就是繼續堅持我們認為有些東西可以討論但是有些東西我們就是有我們自己的產業利益跟國家利益存在但\n這整個過程我們就是在求取貿易跟產業之間的最大平衡談判本來就是這樣子一定有我們自己核心的利益那些東西是不能讓在美國來講它也是它有一些東西它也不能讓\n那當然就是雙方在談判,這才有的談,我只是說按照你們提供的資料啦,因為談判都還在進行當中,其實也不宜問太多太細,我只是就公開的資料,可以看到說你們一個是在談貿易逆差,另外一個是在談這個非關稅的障礙,那我一看\n我覺得啦 是在談這個農業農業對於 我相信剛剛也有很多立委都有提到有關農業的這些核心利益台灣還是要守住那當然就是看你們怎麼去跟美國在談直接說看到目前為止就是有兩個東西必須要再去做處理的所以在8月1號之前會有驚喜嗎\n我們會希望為國人帶來驚喜 喜悅的結果好 OK 好 謝謝 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.330 --> 00:06.406\n主席我們請這個我們經貿談判辦公室的嚴副總談判代表\n\n00:13.340 --> 00:39.690\n您好,辛苦了這一陣子我們的經貿談判辦公室請問一下副總代表,這個按照你們的資料川普總統在7月7號簽署行政命令目前台灣的關稅應該就是屬於這10%嘛對不對這個暫時的關稅然後呢延長到8月1號那所以呢我想請問一下這個在這段期間在8月1號之前我們的關稅就是10%\n\n00:41.328 --> 01:06.670\n八月一號之前會不會有什麼樣的變化八月一號以前按照現在川普總統的這個信函的說法是不會有變化的還有行政命令的公告對那可是他也常常開講嘛比如說像今天他就講說跟這個印尼的這一個關稅是多少然後就說有宣布說有一百多個小國家關稅可能就會比十趴再多一點點那會在八月一號之前有任何的變化嗎\n\n01:07.915 --> 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