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\"start\": 925.149, \"end\": 925.289, \"score\": 0.82}, {\"word\": \"其\", \"start\": 925.289, \"end\": 925.429, \"score\": 0.855}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"部\", \"start\": 925.429, \"end\": 925.449, \"score\": 0.424}, {\"word\": \"長\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:08,506 --> 00:00:13,231\n好謝謝主席那先請我們勞動部洪部長請洪部長還有我們勞動條件司黃師長請師長還有勞動關係司王師長\n\n2\n00:00:22,858 --> 00:00:25,059\n台豐丹納斯重創嘉義台南電感導斷2000多支台電的員工當然很辛苦晝夜不休\n\n3\n00:00:39,406 --> 00:01:08,096\n搶休那現在有台電的員工家屬也有反應先生一個多禮拜在外奔波也希望能夠早日回家休息那當然網友聽了也都鼻酸那這段這段時間台電也釋放了很多台電員工在晚間並排用餐的辛勞的照片那當然社會上也引起很大的共勉那當然我們行政院也打蛇錘棍上說這一次的\n\n4\n00:01:08,556 --> 00:01:18,148\n特別條例沒有撥補1000億是愧對台電的員工那但是在昨天7月16號台灣電力產業工會串聯台電\n\n5\n00:01:21,539 --> 00:01:45,705\n新營區高雄區的企業工會發布聲明說呼籲台電儘速釐清電感導斷的原因也喊話中央拼命工作甚至被工作的時候還有吃飯的時候還要擺拍那他們也說並不是為了讓政府高層拿來做撥補台電遷移政治的大文宣的素材\n\n6\n00:01:46,857 --> 00:02:03,594\n那針對這部分請問一下我們勞動部那基層台電員工反映被要求工作的時候吃飯的時候要擺拍那其實這應該也是超出他的工作範圍那有沒有違反我們勞動法令或者勞動契約這個跟圖片說明其實當然我們有看到這個\n\n7\n00:02:11,662 --> 00:02:24,207\n電力產工他們相關的意見但我們也看到台電公司的工會也提出了很不一樣的看法\n\n8\n00:02:25,655 --> 00:02:42,089\n所以我想一定要去說這一定是擺拍或者是有沒有違反我想這個我想我們都應該是要站在台電基層工員工的角度來去做思考要給予台電的基層的員工更多的尊重\n\n9\n00:02:42,870 --> 00:02:58,710\n那跟我們協助那部長你看一下這是我們網路有流傳他們的截圖台電的長官有要求他們在事故搶修拍照的作業流程連要橫拍豎拍都有講究那\n\n10\n00:02:59,430 --> 00:03:15,670\n这一部分我们想了解针对劳动部认为这一部分有没有强迫劳工做工作以外的事情而且毕竟这是基层工会员工他们反映的我相信台队员工他又反映出来我相信他们应该是不会说谎的\n\n11\n00:03:19,028 --> 00:03:46,511\n對不起我沒有看到這個我可能要再看一下這些相關的資料但我還是覺得最重要的原則是對於基層員工的支持跟尊重我覺得這是最重要的事情所以我想請教為什麼希望能夠編列一千億的這個特別預算來去協助台電其實也是基於這個想法我今天是希望勞動部去了解一下台電裡面有沒有這樣子的事情發生那畢竟你看他把這個\n\n12\n00:03:47,512 --> 00:04:04,768\n截圖已經都截出來了你看到台電的長官要求他們要這樣去做然後員工也反映他認為這基本上已經不是他工作範圍的他們已經很辛苦了結果還要在工作的時候吃飯的時候長官還要求他們要去擺拍\n\n13\n00:04:05,368 --> 00:04:20,375\n那他也已經反映出來我希望勞動部去了解一下有沒有這樣的情形那這樣的情形是不是有違反了這個勞動法令或者勞動契約的部分我想各種勞工的聲音其實我們都會去了解那\n\n14\n00:04:22,677 --> 00:04:41,747\n還是那個原則希望給員工最多的尊重跟支持包括預算上的支持了解一下有沒有這樣的問題那如果這樣的情形那員工已經反映了是不是有違反這個勞動契約的問題我希望部長們去幫我們了解一下那我們可以來開始了解一下\n\n15\n00:04:42,327 --> 00:05:09,774\n後來這個事情也在發酵那經濟部有發聲明表示說台灣電力工會的會員人數近2.9萬人那涵蓋大概99%的公司同仁才是代表多數同仁意見的工會而台灣電力產業工會僅只有會員百餘人的團體那我請問一下部長那現在中央經濟部\n\n16\n00:05:11,374 --> 00:05:17,663\n他是最大的慣老闆嗎他百育人的團體他難道不代表員工的聲音嗎我其實不會是這樣看的就是各種不同員工的聲音其實都應該看待所以\n\n17\n00:05:28,570 --> 00:05:45,842\n所以你認為經濟部發這個新聞稿對嗎那經濟部說新聞稿說他這個只是百餘人的小團體那就是繼我們之前部長郭智慧嗆台電的員工你看不下可以離開啊那到現在你經濟部還發這個新聞稿說基層員工自發組織的工會是小團體那小團體不用照顧嗎\n\n18\n00:05:54,448 --> 00:06:11,813\n跟陀苑說明,我想這個意思應該不是這樣,我自己在看到,我有看到這一篇,但我的理解比較是說其實應該要,也應該要重視這個電力工會,尤其是企業的電力工會他們的聲音跟他們的看法,我認為他的意思比較是這樣子\n\n19\n00:06:12,293 --> 00:06:35,736\n好那我請問一下我們勞動關係是哪些人的意見就不需要重視好那我問一下王司長經濟公會的人數也很多那我們也應該要重視所以我覺得經濟部不應該發這個新聞稿說他只是100多人的團體那他不是歧視這100多人嗎對不對你不應該發這新聞稿啊我的解讀是他是說我們應該要重視員工擺明他的聲音他居然第一時間說他這是小偷\n\n20\n00:06:35,776 --> 00:06:54,430\n回的解讀是他表達的事情是我們應該重視將近三萬的人的企業工會他們的聲音跟看法對啊百餘人也是員工也是勞工啊應該也是要重視怎麼第一時間說他是小工會所以我問一下我們勞動關係師王師長台電基層員工自行發起的組織工會台灣電力產業工會跟我們台電新營區處企業工會台電高雄區處企業工會\n\n21\n00:07:04,098 --> 00:07:08,114\n這些數是合法合規申請成立的正式公會組織\n\n22\n00:07:10,936 --> 00:07:39,995\n任委員報告目前除了台電力工會企業工會是過去長期就是一個大的企業工會然後因為在5月19號我們工會法新細則已經失效了所以到目前為止有一個是台灣電力新營區營業處企業工會有登記剩下的部分目前沒有好那他這有登記就是合法嗎對那有合法那我們經濟部資防這樣子質疑工會那不就是擺明在打壓工會嗎\n\n23\n00:07:41,536 --> 00:07:51,843\n是不是有構成不當的勞動行為那個所以我說這篇我比較認為他是在重視台灣電力工會的意見啊\n\n24\n00:07:53,308 --> 00:08:17,427\n沒關係部長我今天提出來只是希望針對這一部分因為我們勞動部應該是要照顧勞工啊我想了解一下那如果針對這樣子的部分請勞動部幫我們了解一下它這樣子有沒有違反工會第35條的不當勞動的行為到時候了解一下給我們回覆它這樣子有沒有構成\n\n25\n00:08:18,666 --> 00:08:43,596\n我們當然可以來瞭解一下可是我的意思是說就那篇我有看了可是他的意思是說希望大家去重視台灣電力工會的意見跟想法沒關係啊部長我們今天提出來因為這也是基層工會他們有提出這個反應他們已經有這個心聲那我是認為說勞動部是主管單位應該去了解一下有沒有這樣子的情形然後你認為我們可以來瞭解一下\n\n26\n00:08:44,556 --> 00:09:10,309\n對我希望說勞動部來重視畢竟他們已經有凸顯這一塊我覺得勞動部主管單位希望這個站在勞工的立場幫我們來了解一下勞動部一定是站在勞工的立場我們不會分哪一個工會那大工會小工會但我們一定是站在勞工的立場為勞工的利益來捍衛我是希望經濟部在發這新聞稿的時候要注意不能說好像說他這個是大工會那是小工會你感覺你就是歧視小工會小工會也是勞工啊\n\n27\n00:09:11,691 --> 00:09:16,005\n好沒關係部長先幫我們了解一下那請我們衛福部邱部長\n\n28\n00:09:22,284 --> 00:09:50,546\n好周部長我們衛福部今年一直推動我們護理人力改革包含今年調薪3%還有我們也編列了擴增公職護理人員的預算但是我們知道錢只是一次性的原因其實制度還有工作環境的改善應該才是最主要的那請問一下針對今年加薪3%我們有實際增加了多少人力嗎\n\n29\n00:09:52,523 --> 00:10:12,350\n那尤其在人力最缺乏的夜班跟急重症的這一塊有沒有獲得改善報委員您是在提部醫院這個部分嗎還是整個護理你調心3%嘛調心3%有沒有效果公職的嘛是有沒有實際的效果\n\n30\n00:10:15,069 --> 00:10:43,563\n因為醫院的整個護理人醫護的人力其實要包括全國的啦齁應該是要包括公司沒關係到時候看一下我想了解一下你們做的這部分對於實際人力上有沒有改善齁那我們要了解一下我們三班護病比的獎勵全台灣有27家醫院齁這個獎勵是掛零的那代表什麼是不是這些醫院他根本沒有請到夜班的護理師\n\n31\n00:10:44,443 --> 00:11:11,210\n好謝謝委員隨請這個招募司司長跟報告一下我們現在27家裡面有一家是醫學中心12家是區醫院那其他都是地區醫院那這個醫學中心它的問題是在於它過去是區域然後升到醫學所以它標準增加了那其中有一家區域是從地區醫院進來的所以因為標準增加所以它沒有辦法達到那大部分的這個地區醫院\n\n32\n00:11:12,441 --> 00:11:31,628\n很多大概有八九家呢其實是因為他完全沒有通報他的住院人日那也就是說可能他沒有收住病人對那我們看一下27家掛聯然後這個獎勵最多的前五名其實都是醫學中心那我們\n\n33\n00:11:32,848 --> 00:11:59,910\n反觀這些獎勵金掛鈴的幾乎都是地區醫院跟區域醫院那最主要大部分都在偏鄉那所以我們擔心這些偏鄉的醫院本來就存在人力短缺的問題那針對這一部分我們有沒有來追蹤這些醫院人力的問題跟委員報告就是地區醫院這個11家裡面就是有8家\n\n34\n00:12:00,646 --> 00:12:08,612\n他就是目前我們看起來他都沒有通報他的三班的病人數跟護理人力那他們的護理人員數也都是在20到30之間所以這個我們現在也會再進一步了解他個別的原因是什麼不過從目前的掌握的資料是他可能也沒有收住病人對因為我現在比較擔心因為我自己選區裡面\n\n35\n00:12:25,265 --> 00:12:38,934\n有五間醫院那這裡面只有部桃新屋分院有拿到這個獎勵金那針對這些吊車尾的這些醫院衛福部到底有沒有提供輔導機制來輔導這些偏鄉的醫院目前那個針對個別性的我們針對個別性有在做一個更針對個別性的瞭解那看看用什麼方法來協助這樣子\n\n36\n00:12:51,328 --> 00:13:11,314\n那還有這些醫院拿了巨額的獎勵金之後我們看衛福部這個平台他們有沒有回報我們怎麼看不到這公開的資料也看不到這獎勵金到底是醫院拿走還是有實質回饋到我們基層的人員身上目前這個獎勵金是在6月19號播出去的那我們的播出去的跟原來的規定就是說醫院要把這個獎勵金呢\n\n37\n00:13:20,978 --> 00:13:38,719\n針對個別醫院的這個缺口做差異性的流論措施的分配那目前各家醫院都有不同的設計大概每家醫院我們現在了解是大家醫院應該都已經準備好那個要做的方法了但是接下來他們就會公告在醫院裡面\n\n38\n00:13:39,900 --> 00:14:03,701\n因為我們現在比較擔心就是因為我們選區比較偏向都是一些地區醫院小醫院那而且這互併比的比例跟條性3%而且像我們地方沒有這些醫院都是一些診所那他又不適用這些診所所以我們反而擔心這些基層的診所像我的觀音區啊你獎勵金跟\n\n39\n00:14:04,562 --> 00:14:29,062\n跟調薪都是針對醫院反而基層的診所這些都沒有照顧到會不會這些人員反而都跑到醫院去變成我們基層診所這些待遇影響到反而變成他的人力影響更大現在目前那個診所的獎勵健保署有相關的專案在做支持作為他的醫護人力的這個留任\n\n40\n00:14:29,793 --> 00:14:49,280\n好我希望我們來注意一下因為我們現在比較擔心你這樣子的方式變成像我們這些比較偏鄉的基層診所反而缺工會更嚴重所以希望我們衛福部針對這些看有沒有一些輔導機制有沒有一些改善的方法能夠注意到我們偏鄉這些基層診所的人力\n\n41\n00:14:50,040 --> 00:15:06,989\n包委員我們觀音鄉那一邊的確偏鄉的醫療資源是比較需要加強我們會去了解這些地區醫院他們實際上的狀況那在診所的一個協助方面我們也會全力來協助讓偏鄉的民眾能夠得到\n\n42\n00:15:07,830 --> 00:15:25,449\n對因為我擔心你這個條性跟獎勵金到時候反而影響基層診所造成他人力更短缺所以這部分希望部長幫我們了解一下我們不同的地區有不同的文化所以我們會去特別做對啊要多輔導啦不然這些基層診所人力更短缺對於他們醫療資源更匱乏好謝謝好謝謝部長好謝謝土耳其謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8506\t13231\t好 謝謝主席那先請我們勞動部 洪部長請洪部長還有我們勞動條件司 黃師長請師長還有勞動關係司 王師長\n22858\t25059\t台豐丹納斯重創嘉義台南電感導斷2000多支台電的員工當然很辛苦 晝夜不休\n39406\t68096\t搶休那現在有台電的員工家屬也有反應先生一個多禮拜在外奔波也希望能夠早日回家休息那當然網友聽了也都鼻酸那這段這段時間台電也釋放了很多台電員工在晚間並排用餐的辛勞的照片那當然社會上也引起很大的共勉那當然我們行政院也打蛇錘棍上說這一次的\n68556\t78148\t特別條例沒有撥補1000億是愧對台電的員工那但是在昨天7月16號台灣電力產業工會串聯台電\n81539\t105705\t新營區高雄區的企業工會發布聲明說呼籲台電儘速釐清電感導斷的原因也喊話中央拼命工作甚至被工作的時候還有吃飯的時候還要擺拍那他們也說並不是為了讓政府高層拿來做撥補台電遷移政治的大文宣的素材\n106857\t123594\t那針對這部分請問一下我們勞動部那基層台電員工反映被要求工作的時候吃飯的時候要擺拍那其實這應該也是超出他的工作範圍那有沒有違反我們勞動法令或者勞動契約這個跟圖片說明其實當然我們有看到這個\n131662\t144207\t電力產工他們相關的意見但我們也看到台電公司的工會也提出了很不一樣的看法\n145655\t162089\t所以我想一定要去說這一定是擺拍或者是有沒有違反我想這個我想我們都應該是要站在台電基層工員工的角度來去做思考要給予台電的基層的員工更多的尊重\n162870\t178710\t那跟我們協助那部長你看一下這是我們網路有流傳他們的截圖台電的長官有要求他們在事故搶修拍照的作業流程連要橫拍 豎拍都有講究那\n179430\t195670\t这一部分我们想了解针对劳动部认为这一部分有没有强迫劳工做工作以外的事情而且毕竟这是基层工会员工他们反映的我相信台队员工他又反映出来我相信他们应该是不会说谎的\n199028\t226511\t對不起我沒有看到這個我可能要再看一下這些相關的資料但我還是覺得最重要的原則是對於基層員工的支持跟尊重我覺得這是最重要的事情所以我想請教為什麼希望能夠編列一千億的這個特別預算來去協助台電其實也是基於這個想法我今天是希望勞動部去了解一下台電裡面有沒有這樣子的事情發生那畢竟你看他把這個\n227512\t244768\t截圖已經都截出來了你看到台電的長官要求他們要這樣去做然後員工也反映他認為這基本上已經不是他工作範圍的他們已經很辛苦了結果還要在工作的時候吃飯的時候長官還要求他們要去擺拍\n245368\t260375\t那他也已經反映出來我希望勞動部去了解一下有沒有這樣的情形那這樣的情形是不是有違反了這個勞動法令或者勞動契約的部分我想各種勞工的聲音其實我們都會去了解那\n262677\t281747\t還是那個原則希望給員工最多的尊重跟支持包括預算上的支持了解一下有沒有這樣的問題那如果這樣的情形那員工已經反映了是不是有違反這個勞動契約的問題我希望部長們去幫我們了解一下那我們可以來開始了解一下\n282327\t309774\t後來這個事情也在發酵那經濟部有發聲明表示說台灣電力工會的會員人數近2.9萬人那涵蓋大概99%的公司同仁才是代表多數同仁意見的工會而台灣電力產業工會僅只有會員百餘人的團體那我請問一下部長那現在中央經濟部\n311374\t317663\t他是最大的慣老闆嗎他百育人的團體他難道不代表員工的聲音嗎我其實不會是這樣看的就是各種不同員工的聲音其實都應該看待所以\n328570\t345842\t所以你認為經濟部發這個新聞稿對嗎那經濟部說新聞稿說他這個只是百餘人的小團體那就是繼我們之前部長郭智慧嗆台電的員工你看不下可以離開啊那到現在你經濟部還發這個新聞稿說基層員工自發組織的工會是小團體那小團體不用照顧嗎\n354448\t371813\t跟陀苑說明,我想這個意思應該不是這樣,我自己在看到,我有看到這一篇,但我的理解比較是說其實應該要,也應該要重視這個電力工會,尤其是企業的電力工會他們的聲音跟他們的看法,我認為他的意思比較是這樣子\n372293\t395736\t好那我請問一下我們勞動關係是哪些人的意見就不需要重視好那我問一下王司長經濟公會的人數也很多那我們也應該要重視所以我覺得經濟部不應該發這個新聞稿說他只是100多人的團體那他不是歧視這100多人嗎對不對你不應該發這新聞稿啊我的解讀是他是說我們應該要重視員工擺明他的聲音他居然第一時間說他這是小偷\n395776\t414430\t回的解讀是他表達的事情是我們應該重視將近三萬的人的企業工會他們的聲音跟看法對啊百餘人也是員工也是勞工啊應該也是要重視怎麼第一時間說他是小工會所以我問一下我們勞動關係師王師長台電基層員工自行發起的組織工會台灣電力產業工會跟我們台電新營區處企業工會台電高雄區處企業工會\n424098\t428114\t這些數是合法合規申請成立的正式公會組織\n430936\t459995\t任委員報告目前除了台電力工會企業工會是過去長期就是一個大的企業工會然後因為在5月19號我們工會法新細則已經失效了所以到目前為止有一個是台灣電力新營區營業處企業工會有登記剩下的部分目前沒有好那他這有登記就是合法嗎對那有合法那我們經濟部資防這樣子質疑工會那不就是擺明在打壓工會嗎\n461536\t471843\t是不是有構成不當的勞動行為那個 所以我說這篇我比較認為他是在重視台灣電力工會的意見啊\n473308\t497427\t沒關係部長我今天提出來只是希望針對這一部分因為我們勞動部應該是要照顧勞工啊我想了解一下那如果針對這樣子的部分請勞動部幫我們了解一下它這樣子有沒有違反工會第35條的不當勞動的行為到時候了解一下給我們回覆它這樣子有沒有構成\n498666\t523596\t我們當然可以來瞭解一下可是我的意思是說就那篇我有看了可是他的意思是說希望大家去重視台灣電力工會的意見跟想法沒關係啊 部長我們今天提出來因為這也是基層工會他們有提出這個反應他們已經有這個心聲那我是認為說勞動部是主管單位應該去了解一下有沒有這樣子的情形然後你認為我們可以來瞭解一下\n524556\t550309\t對我希望說勞動部來重視畢竟他們已經有凸顯這一塊我覺得勞動部主管單位希望這個站在勞工的立場幫我們來了解一下勞動部一定是站在勞工的立場我們不會分哪一個工會那大工會小工會但我們一定是站在勞工的立場為勞工的利益來捍衛我是希望經濟部在發這新聞稿的時候要注意不能說好像說他這個是大工會那是小工會你感覺你就是歧視小工會小工會也是勞工啊\n551691\t556005\t好 沒關係 部長先幫我們了解一下那請我們衛福部邱部長\n562284\t590546\t好 周部長我們衛福部今年一直推動我們護理人力改革包含今年調薪3%還有我們也編列了擴增公職護理人員的預算但是我們知道錢只是一次性的原因其實制度還有工作環境的改善應該才是最主要的那請問一下針對今年加薪3%我們有實際增加了多少人力嗎\n592523\t612350\t那尤其在人力最缺乏的夜班跟急重症的這一塊有沒有獲得改善報委員您是在提部醫院這個部分嗎還是整個護理你調心3%嘛調心3%有沒有效果公職的嘛是有沒有實際的效果\n615069\t643563\t因為醫院的整個護理人醫護的人力其實要包括全國的啦齁應該是要包括公司沒關係到時候看一下我想了解一下你們做的這部分對於實際人力上有沒有改善齁那我們要了解一下我們三班護病比的獎勵全台灣有27家醫院齁這個獎勵是掛零的那代表什麼是不是這些醫院他根本沒有請到夜班的護理師\n644443\t671210\t好 謝謝委員 隨請這個招募司司長跟報告一下我們現在27家裡面有一家是醫學中心12家是區醫院 那其他都是地區醫院那這個醫學中心它的問題是在於它過去是區域 然後升到醫學 所以它標準增加了那其中有一家區域是從地區醫院進來的所以因為標準增加 所以它沒有辦法達到那大部分的這個地區醫院\n672441\t691628\t很多大概有八九家呢其實是因為他完全沒有通報他的住院人日那也就是說可能他沒有收住病人對那我們看一下27家掛聯然後這個獎勵最多的前五名其實都是醫學中心那我們\n692848\t719910\t反觀這些獎勵金掛鈴的幾乎都是地區醫院跟區域醫院那最主要大部分都在偏鄉那所以我們擔心這些偏鄉的醫院本來就存在人力短缺的問題那針對這一部分我們有沒有來追蹤這些醫院人力的問題跟委員報告就是地區醫院這個11家裡面就是有8家\n720646\t728612\t他就是目前我們看起來他都沒有通報他的三班的病人數跟護理人力那他們的護理人員數也都是在20到30之間所以這個我們現在也會再進一步了解他個別的原因是什麼不過從目前的掌握的資料是他可能也沒有收住病人對 因為我現在比較擔心因為我自己選區裡面\n745265\t758934\t有五間醫院那這裡面只有部桃新屋分院有拿到這個獎勵金那針對這些吊車尾的這些醫院衛福部到底有沒有提供輔導機制來輔導這些偏鄉的醫院目前那個針對個別性的我們針對個別性有在做一個更針對個別性的瞭解那看看用什麼方法來協助這樣子\n771328\t791314\t那還有這些醫院拿了巨額的獎勵金之後我們看衛福部這個平台他們有沒有回報我們怎麼看不到這公開的資料也看不到這獎勵金到底是醫院拿走還是有實質回饋到我們基層的人員身上目前這個獎勵金是在6月19號播出去的那我們的播出去的跟原來的規定就是說醫院要把這個獎勵金呢\n800978\t818719\t針對個別醫院的這個缺口做差異性的流論措施的分配那目前各家醫院都有不同的設計大概每家醫院我們現在了解是大家醫院應該都已經準備好那個要做的方法了但是接下來他們就會公告在醫院裡面\n819900\t843701\t因為我們現在比較擔心就是因為我們選區比較偏向都是一些地區醫院小醫院那而且這互併比的比例跟條性3%而且像我們地方沒有這些醫院都是一些診所那他又不適用這些診所所以我們反而擔心這些基層的診所像我的觀音區啊你獎勵金跟\n844562\t869062\t跟調薪都是針對醫院反而基層的診所這些都沒有照顧到會不會這些人員反而都跑到醫院去變成我們基層診所這些待遇影響到反而變成他的人力影響更大現在目前那個診所的獎勵健保署有相關的專案在做支持作為他的醫護人力的這個留任\n869793\t889280\t好 我希望我們來注意一下因為我們現在比較擔心你這樣子的方式變成像我們這些比較偏鄉的基層診所反而缺工會更嚴重所以希望我們衛福部針對這些看有沒有一些輔導機制有沒有一些改善的方法能夠注意到我們偏鄉這些基層診所的人力\n890040\t906989\t包委員我們觀音鄉那一邊的確偏鄉的醫療資源是比較需要加強我們會去了解這些地區醫院他們實際上的狀況那在診所的一個協助方面我們也會全力來協助讓偏鄉的民眾能夠得到\n907830\t925449\t對 因為我擔心你這個條性跟獎勵金到時候反而影響基層診所造成他人力更短缺所以這部分希望部長幫我們了解一下我們不同的地區有不同的文化所以我們會去特別做對啊 要多輔導啦不然這些基層診所人力更短缺對於他們醫療資源更匱乏好 謝謝好 謝謝部長好 謝謝土耳其 謝謝部長\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席那先請我們勞動部 洪部長請洪部長還有我們勞動條件司 黃師長請師長還有勞動關係司 王師長\n台豐丹納斯重創嘉義台南電感導斷2000多支台電的員工當然很辛苦 晝夜不休\n搶休那現在有台電的員工家屬也有反應先生一個多禮拜在外奔波也希望能夠早日回家休息那當然網友聽了也都鼻酸那這段這段時間台電也釋放了很多台電員工在晚間並排用餐的辛勞的照片那當然社會上也引起很大的共勉那當然我們行政院也打蛇錘棍上說這一次的\n特別條例沒有撥補1000億是愧對台電的員工那但是在昨天7月16號台灣電力產業工會串聯台電\n新營區高雄區的企業工會發布聲明說呼籲台電儘速釐清電感導斷的原因也喊話中央拼命工作甚至被工作的時候還有吃飯的時候還要擺拍那他們也說並不是為了讓政府高層拿來做撥補台電遷移政治的大文宣的素材\n那針對這部分請問一下我們勞動部那基層台電員工反映被要求工作的時候吃飯的時候要擺拍那其實這應該也是超出他的工作範圍那有沒有違反我們勞動法令或者勞動契約這個跟圖片說明其實當然我們有看到這個\n電力產工他們相關的意見但我們也看到台電公司的工會也提出了很不一樣的看法\n所以我想一定要去說這一定是擺拍或者是有沒有違反我想這個我想我們都應該是要站在台電基層工員工的角度來去做思考要給予台電的基層的員工更多的尊重\n那跟我們協助那部長你看一下這是我們網路有流傳他們的截圖台電的長官有要求他們在事故搶修拍照的作業流程連要橫拍 豎拍都有講究那\n这一部分我们想了解针对劳动部认为这一部分有没有强迫劳工做工作以外的事情而且毕竟这是基层工会员工他们反映的我相信台队员工他又反映出来我相信他们应该是不会说谎的\n對不起我沒有看到這個我可能要再看一下這些相關的資料但我還是覺得最重要的原則是對於基層員工的支持跟尊重我覺得這是最重要的事情所以我想請教為什麼希望能夠編列一千億的這個特別預算來去協助台電其實也是基於這個想法我今天是希望勞動部去了解一下台電裡面有沒有這樣子的事情發生那畢竟你看他把這個\n截圖已經都截出來了你看到台電的長官要求他們要這樣去做然後員工也反映他認為這基本上已經不是他工作範圍的他們已經很辛苦了結果還要在工作的時候吃飯的時候長官還要求他們要去擺拍\n那他也已經反映出來我希望勞動部去了解一下有沒有這樣的情形那這樣的情形是不是有違反了這個勞動法令或者勞動契約的部分我想各種勞工的聲音其實我們都會去了解那\n還是那個原則希望給員工最多的尊重跟支持包括預算上的支持了解一下有沒有這樣的問題那如果這樣的情形那員工已經反映了是不是有違反這個勞動契約的問題我希望部長們去幫我們了解一下那我們可以來開始了解一下\n後來這個事情也在發酵那經濟部有發聲明表示說台灣電力工會的會員人數近2.9萬人那涵蓋大概99%的公司同仁才是代表多數同仁意見的工會而台灣電力產業工會僅只有會員百餘人的團體那我請問一下部長那現在中央經濟部\n他是最大的慣老闆嗎他百育人的團體他難道不代表員工的聲音嗎我其實不會是這樣看的就是各種不同員工的聲音其實都應該看待所以\n所以你認為經濟部發這個新聞稿對嗎那經濟部說新聞稿說他這個只是百餘人的小團體那就是繼我們之前部長郭智慧嗆台電的員工你看不下可以離開啊那到現在你經濟部還發這個新聞稿說基層員工自發組織的工會是小團體那小團體不用照顧嗎\n跟陀苑說明,我想這個意思應該不是這樣,我自己在看到,我有看到這一篇,但我的理解比較是說其實應該要,也應該要重視這個電力工會,尤其是企業的電力工會他們的聲音跟他們的看法,我認為他的意思比較是這樣子\n好那我請問一下我們勞動關係是哪些人的意見就不需要重視好那我問一下王司長經濟公會的人數也很多那我們也應該要重視所以我覺得經濟部不應該發這個新聞稿說他只是100多人的團體那他不是歧視這100多人嗎對不對你不應該發這新聞稿啊我的解讀是他是說我們應該要重視員工擺明他的聲音他居然第一時間說他這是小偷\n回的解讀是他表達的事情是我們應該重視將近三萬的人的企業工會他們的聲音跟看法對啊百餘人也是員工也是勞工啊應該也是要重視怎麼第一時間說他是小工會所以我問一下我們勞動關係師王師長台電基層員工自行發起的組織工會台灣電力產業工會跟我們台電新營區處企業工會台電高雄區處企業工會\n這些數是合法合規申請成立的正式公會組織\n任委員報告目前除了台電力工會企業工會是過去長期就是一個大的企業工會然後因為在5月19號我們工會法新細則已經失效了所以到目前為止有一個是台灣電力新營區營業處企業工會有登記剩下的部分目前沒有好那他這有登記就是合法嗎對那有合法那我們經濟部資防這樣子質疑工會那不就是擺明在打壓工會嗎\n是不是有構成不當的勞動行為那個 所以我說這篇我比較認為他是在重視台灣電力工會的意見啊\n沒關係部長我今天提出來只是希望針對這一部分因為我們勞動部應該是要照顧勞工啊我想了解一下那如果針對這樣子的部分請勞動部幫我們了解一下它這樣子有沒有違反工會第35條的不當勞動的行為到時候了解一下給我們回覆它這樣子有沒有構成\n我們當然可以來瞭解一下可是我的意思是說就那篇我有看了可是他的意思是說希望大家去重視台灣電力工會的意見跟想法沒關係啊 部長我們今天提出來因為這也是基層工會他們有提出這個反應他們已經有這個心聲那我是認為說勞動部是主管單位應該去了解一下有沒有這樣子的情形然後你認為我們可以來瞭解一下\n對我希望說勞動部來重視畢竟他們已經有凸顯這一塊我覺得勞動部主管單位希望這個站在勞工的立場幫我們來了解一下勞動部一定是站在勞工的立場我們不會分哪一個工會那大工會小工會但我們一定是站在勞工的立場為勞工的利益來捍衛我是希望經濟部在發這新聞稿的時候要注意不能說好像說他這個是大工會那是小工會你感覺你就是歧視小工會小工會也是勞工啊\n好 沒關係 部長先幫我們了解一下那請我們衛福部邱部長\n好 周部長我們衛福部今年一直推動我們護理人力改革包含今年調薪3%還有我們也編列了擴增公職護理人員的預算但是我們知道錢只是一次性的原因其實制度還有工作環境的改善應該才是最主要的那請問一下針對今年加薪3%我們有實際增加了多少人力嗎\n那尤其在人力最缺乏的夜班跟急重症的這一塊有沒有獲得改善報委員您是在提部醫院這個部分嗎還是整個護理你調心3%嘛調心3%有沒有效果公職的嘛是有沒有實際的效果\n因為醫院的整個護理人醫護的人力其實要包括全國的啦齁應該是要包括公司沒關係到時候看一下我想了解一下你們做的這部分對於實際人力上有沒有改善齁那我們要了解一下我們三班護病比的獎勵全台灣有27家醫院齁這個獎勵是掛零的那代表什麼是不是這些醫院他根本沒有請到夜班的護理師\n好 謝謝委員 隨請這個招募司司長跟報告一下我們現在27家裡面有一家是醫學中心12家是區醫院 那其他都是地區醫院那這個醫學中心它的問題是在於它過去是區域 然後升到醫學 所以它標準增加了那其中有一家區域是從地區醫院進來的所以因為標準增加 所以它沒有辦法達到那大部分的這個地區醫院\n很多大概有八九家呢其實是因為他完全沒有通報他的住院人日那也就是說可能他沒有收住病人對那我們看一下27家掛聯然後這個獎勵最多的前五名其實都是醫學中心那我們\n反觀這些獎勵金掛鈴的幾乎都是地區醫院跟區域醫院那最主要大部分都在偏鄉那所以我們擔心這些偏鄉的醫院本來就存在人力短缺的問題那針對這一部分我們有沒有來追蹤這些醫院人力的問題跟委員報告就是地區醫院這個11家裡面就是有8家\n他就是目前我們看起來他都沒有通報他的三班的病人數跟護理人力那他們的護理人員數也都是在20到30之間所以這個我們現在也會再進一步了解他個別的原因是什麼不過從目前的掌握的資料是他可能也沒有收住病人對 因為我現在比較擔心因為我自己選區裡面\n有五間醫院那這裡面只有部桃新屋分院有拿到這個獎勵金那針對這些吊車尾的這些醫院衛福部到底有沒有提供輔導機制來輔導這些偏鄉的醫院目前那個針對個別性的我們針對個別性有在做一個更針對個別性的瞭解那看看用什麼方法來協助這樣子\n那還有這些醫院拿了巨額的獎勵金之後我們看衛福部這個平台他們有沒有回報我們怎麼看不到這公開的資料也看不到這獎勵金到底是醫院拿走還是有實質回饋到我們基層的人員身上目前這個獎勵金是在6月19號播出去的那我們的播出去的跟原來的規定就是說醫院要把這個獎勵金呢\n針對個別醫院的這個缺口做差異性的流論措施的分配那目前各家醫院都有不同的設計大概每家醫院我們現在了解是大家醫院應該都已經準備好那個要做的方法了但是接下來他們就會公告在醫院裡面\n因為我們現在比較擔心就是因為我們選區比較偏向都是一些地區醫院小醫院那而且這互併比的比例跟條性3%而且像我們地方沒有這些醫院都是一些診所那他又不適用這些診所所以我們反而擔心這些基層的診所像我的觀音區啊你獎勵金跟\n跟調薪都是針對醫院反而基層的診所這些都沒有照顧到會不會這些人員反而都跑到醫院去變成我們基層診所這些待遇影響到反而變成他的人力影響更大現在目前那個診所的獎勵健保署有相關的專案在做支持作為他的醫護人力的這個留任\n好 我希望我們來注意一下因為我們現在比較擔心你這樣子的方式變成像我們這些比較偏鄉的基層診所反而缺工會更嚴重所以希望我們衛福部針對這些看有沒有一些輔導機制有沒有一些改善的方法能夠注意到我們偏鄉這些基層診所的人力\n包委員我們觀音鄉那一邊的確偏鄉的醫療資源是比較需要加強我們會去了解這些地區醫院他們實際上的狀況那在診所的一個協助方面我們也會全力來協助讓偏鄉的民眾能夠得到\n對 因為我擔心你這個條性跟獎勵金到時候反而影響基層診所造成他人力更短缺所以這部分希望部長幫我們了解一下我們不同的地區有不同的文化所以我們會去特別做對啊 要多輔導啦不然這些基層診所人力更短缺對於他們醫療資源更匱乏好 謝謝好 謝謝部長好 謝謝土耳其 謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.506 --> 00:13.231\n好謝謝主席那先請我們勞動部洪部長請洪部長還有我們勞動條件司黃師長請師長還有勞動關係司王師長\n\n00:22.858 --> 00:25.059\n台豐丹納斯重創嘉義台南電感導斷2000多支台電的員工當然很辛苦晝夜不休\n\n00:39.406 --> 01:08.096\n搶休那現在有台電的員工家屬也有反應先生一個多禮拜在外奔波也希望能夠早日回家休息那當然網友聽了也都鼻酸那這段這段時間台電也釋放了很多台電員工在晚間並排用餐的辛勞的照片那當然社會上也引起很大的共勉那當然我們行政院也打蛇錘棍上說這一次的\n\n01:08.556 --> 01:18.148\n特別條例沒有撥補1000億是愧對台電的員工那但是在昨天7月16號台灣電力產業工會串聯台電\n\n01:21.539 --> 01:45.705\n新營區高雄區的企業工會發布聲明說呼籲台電儘速釐清電感導斷的原因也喊話中央拼命工作甚至被工作的時候還有吃飯的時候還要擺拍那他們也說並不是為了讓政府高層拿來做撥補台電遷移政治的大文宣的素材\n\n01:46.857 --> 02:03.594\n那針對這部分請問一下我們勞動部那基層台電員工反映被要求工作的時候吃飯的時候要擺拍那其實這應該也是超出他的工作範圍那有沒有違反我們勞動法令或者勞動契約這個跟圖片說明其實當然我們有看到這個\n\n02:11.662 --> 02:24.207\n電力產工他們相關的意見但我們也看到台電公司的工會也提出了很不一樣的看法\n\n02:25.655 --> 02:42.089\n所以我想一定要去說這一定是擺拍或者是有沒有違反我想這個我想我們都應該是要站在台電基層工員工的角度來去做思考要給予台電的基層的員工更多的尊重\n\n02:42.870 --> 02:58.710\n那跟我們協助那部長你看一下這是我們網路有流傳他們的截圖台電的長官有要求他們在事故搶修拍照的作業流程連要橫拍豎拍都有講究那\n\n02:59.430 --> 03:15.670\n这一部分我们想了解针对劳动部认为这一部分有没有强迫劳工做工作以外的事情而且毕竟这是基层工会员工他们反映的我相信台队员工他又反映出来我相信他们应该是不会说谎的\n\n03:19.028 --> 03:46.511\n對不起我沒有看到這個我可能要再看一下這些相關的資料但我還是覺得最重要的原則是對於基層員工的支持跟尊重我覺得這是最重要的事情所以我想請教為什麼希望能夠編列一千億的這個特別預算來去協助台電其實也是基於這個想法我今天是希望勞動部去了解一下台電裡面有沒有這樣子的事情發生那畢竟你看他把這個\n\n03:47.512 --> 04:04.768\n截圖已經都截出來了你看到台電的長官要求他們要這樣去做然後員工也反映他認為這基本上已經不是他工作範圍的他們已經很辛苦了結果還要在工作的時候吃飯的時候長官還要求他們要去擺拍\n\n04:05.368 --> 04:20.375\n那他也已經反映出來我希望勞動部去了解一下有沒有這樣的情形那這樣的情形是不是有違反了這個勞動法令或者勞動契約的部分我想各種勞工的聲音其實我們都會去了解那\n\n04:22.677 --> 04:41.747\n還是那個原則希望給員工最多的尊重跟支持包括預算上的支持了解一下有沒有這樣的問題那如果這樣的情形那員工已經反映了是不是有違反這個勞動契約的問題我希望部長們去幫我們了解一下那我們可以來開始了解一下\n\n04:42.327 --> 05:09.774\n後來這個事情也在發酵那經濟部有發聲明表示說台灣電力工會的會員人數近2.9萬人那涵蓋大概99%的公司同仁才是代表多數同仁意見的工會而台灣電力產業工會僅只有會員百餘人的團體那我請問一下部長那現在中央經濟部\n\n05:11.374 --> 05:17.663\n他是最大的慣老闆嗎他百育人的團體他難道不代表員工的聲音嗎我其實不會是這樣看的就是各種不同員工的聲音其實都應該看待所以\n\n05:28.570 --> 05:45.842\n所以你認為經濟部發這個新聞稿對嗎那經濟部說新聞稿說他這個只是百餘人的小團體那就是繼我們之前部長郭智慧嗆台電的員工你看不下可以離開啊那到現在你經濟部還發這個新聞稿說基層員工自發組織的工會是小團體那小團體不用照顧嗎\n\n05:54.448 --> 06:11.813\n跟陀苑說明,我想這個意思應該不是這樣,我自己在看到,我有看到這一篇,但我的理解比較是說其實應該要,也應該要重視這個電力工會,尤其是企業的電力工會他們的聲音跟他們的看法,我認為他的意思比較是這樣子\n\n06:12.293 --> 06:35.736\n好那我請問一下我們勞動關係是哪些人的意見就不需要重視好那我問一下王司長經濟公會的人數也很多那我們也應該要重視所以我覺得經濟部不應該發這個新聞稿說他只是100多人的團體那他不是歧視這100多人嗎對不對你不應該發這新聞稿啊我的解讀是他是說我們應該要重視員工擺明他的聲音他居然第一時間說他這是小偷\n\n06:35.776 --> 06:54.430\n回的解讀是他表達的事情是我們應該重視將近三萬的人的企業工會他們的聲音跟看法對啊百餘人也是員工也是勞工啊應該也是要重視怎麼第一時間說他是小工會所以我問一下我們勞動關係師王師長台電基層員工自行發起的組織工會台灣電力產業工會跟我們台電新營區處企業工會台電高雄區處企業工會\n\n07:04.098 --> 07:08.114\n這些數是合法合規申請成立的正式公會組織\n\n07:10.936 --> 07:39.995\n任委員報告目前除了台電力工會企業工會是過去長期就是一個大的企業工會然後因為在5月19號我們工會法新細則已經失效了所以到目前為止有一個是台灣電力新營區營業處企業工會有登記剩下的部分目前沒有好那他這有登記就是合法嗎對那有合法那我們經濟部資防這樣子質疑工會那不就是擺明在打壓工會嗎\n\n07:41.536 --> 07:51.843\n是不是有構成不當的勞動行為那個所以我說這篇我比較認為他是在重視台灣電力工會的意見啊\n\n07:53.308 --> 08:17.427\n沒關係部長我今天提出來只是希望針對這一部分因為我們勞動部應該是要照顧勞工啊我想了解一下那如果針對這樣子的部分請勞動部幫我們了解一下它這樣子有沒有違反工會第35條的不當勞動的行為到時候了解一下給我們回覆它這樣子有沒有構成\n\n08:18.666 --> 08:43.596\n我們當然可以來瞭解一下可是我的意思是說就那篇我有看了可是他的意思是說希望大家去重視台灣電力工會的意見跟想法沒關係啊部長我們今天提出來因為這也是基層工會他們有提出這個反應他們已經有這個心聲那我是認為說勞動部是主管單位應該去了解一下有沒有這樣子的情形然後你認為我們可以來瞭解一下\n\n08:44.556 --> 09:10.309\n對我希望說勞動部來重視畢竟他們已經有凸顯這一塊我覺得勞動部主管單位希望這個站在勞工的立場幫我們來了解一下勞動部一定是站在勞工的立場我們不會分哪一個工會那大工會小工會但我們一定是站在勞工的立場為勞工的利益來捍衛我是希望經濟部在發這新聞稿的時候要注意不能說好像說他這個是大工會那是小工會你感覺你就是歧視小工會小工會也是勞工啊\n\n09:11.691 --> 09:16.005\n好沒關係部長先幫我們了解一下那請我們衛福部邱部長\n\n09:22.284 --> 09:50.546\n好周部長我們衛福部今年一直推動我們護理人力改革包含今年調薪3%還有我們也編列了擴增公職護理人員的預算但是我們知道錢只是一次性的原因其實制度還有工作環境的改善應該才是最主要的那請問一下針對今年加薪3%我們有實際增加了多少人力嗎\n\n09:52.523 --> 10:12.350\n那尤其在人力最缺乏的夜班跟急重症的這一塊有沒有獲得改善報委員您是在提部醫院這個部分嗎還是整個護理你調心3%嘛調心3%有沒有效果公職的嘛是有沒有實際的效果\n\n10:15.069 --> 10:43.563\n因為醫院的整個護理人醫護的人力其實要包括全國的啦齁應該是要包括公司沒關係到時候看一下我想了解一下你們做的這部分對於實際人力上有沒有改善齁那我們要了解一下我們三班護病比的獎勵全台灣有27家醫院齁這個獎勵是掛零的那代表什麼是不是這些醫院他根本沒有請到夜班的護理師\n\n10:44.443 --> 11:11.210\n好謝謝委員隨請這個招募司司長跟報告一下我們現在27家裡面有一家是醫學中心12家是區醫院那其他都是地區醫院那這個醫學中心它的問題是在於它過去是區域然後升到醫學所以它標準增加了那其中有一家區域是從地區醫院進來的所以因為標準增加所以它沒有辦法達到那大部分的這個地區醫院\n\n11:12.441 --> 11:31.628\n很多大概有八九家呢其實是因為他完全沒有通報他的住院人日那也就是說可能他沒有收住病人對那我們看一下27家掛聯然後這個獎勵最多的前五名其實都是醫學中心那我們\n\n11:32.848 --> 11:59.910\n反觀這些獎勵金掛鈴的幾乎都是地區醫院跟區域醫院那最主要大部分都在偏鄉那所以我們擔心這些偏鄉的醫院本來就存在人力短缺的問題那針對這一部分我們有沒有來追蹤這些醫院人力的問題跟委員報告就是地區醫院這個11家裡面就是有8家\n\n12:00.646 --> 12:08.612\n他就是目前我們看起來他都沒有通報他的三班的病人數跟護理人力那他們的護理人員數也都是在20到30之間所以這個我們現在也會再進一步了解他個別的原因是什麼不過從目前的掌握的資料是他可能也沒有收住病人對因為我現在比較擔心因為我自己選區裡面\n\n12:25.265 --> 12:38.934\n有五間醫院那這裡面只有部桃新屋分院有拿到這個獎勵金那針對這些吊車尾的這些醫院衛福部到底有沒有提供輔導機制來輔導這些偏鄉的醫院目前那個針對個別性的我們針對個別性有在做一個更針對個別性的瞭解那看看用什麼方法來協助這樣子\n\n12:51.328 --> 13:11.314\n那還有這些醫院拿了巨額的獎勵金之後我們看衛福部這個平台他們有沒有回報我們怎麼看不到這公開的資料也看不到這獎勵金到底是醫院拿走還是有實質回饋到我們基層的人員身上目前這個獎勵金是在6月19號播出去的那我們的播出去的跟原來的規定就是說醫院要把這個獎勵金呢\n\n13:20.978 --> 13:38.719\n針對個別醫院的這個缺口做差異性的流論措施的分配那目前各家醫院都有不同的設計大概每家醫院我們現在了解是大家醫院應該都已經準備好那個要做的方法了但是接下來他們就會公告在醫院裡面\n\n13:39.900 --> 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