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00:01:33,480\n跟委員說明台電公司這一次他們都有依照勞基法32條還有40條一規定跟地方政府勞工局來做那個加班計畫的報備然後來備查所以這個在勞基法的法規上是完全合法的\n\n6\n00:01:34,020 --> 00:01:52,916\n那請問一下就是目前也有因為很多台電的員工包括工會都有提出來他們有過勞的相關問題那這個部分就是當然也有一位理性員工目前還在急救當中那意外發生了之後請問是要怎麼釐清責任勞動部會不會開始進行調查\n\n7\n00:01:54,338 --> 00:02:00,943\n我們已經依照相關職安法的規定先請他們停工然後進行調查請他們停工然後進行調查所以是開始調查了沒\n\n8\n00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:33,203\n已經在進行那可能要請這個會後我們調查完備之後是不是可以送交本委員會還有本席這邊來瞭解狀況那我剛剛為什麼要說這樣呢是因為7月9號的時候卓榮泰院長前往嘉義縣視察停電然後要拚9日夜間復電7月11號賴清德總統郭智慧部長前往台南市視察台電\n\n9\n00:02:34,163 --> 00:02:58,781\n搶修的狀況他們現場說天黑前要全部送電好請問次長你認為台電會不會有復電的壓力我想復電是全民全社會的共同期待那台電員工也非常努力在幫助這些地區的民眾台電非常的用心我們知道但是如果高層施壓的話你覺得會不會有這樣子的一個復電的壓力\n\n10\n00:03:00,302 --> 00:03:19,477\n我想這個壓力應該是台電的員工他們從上到下都攜帶趕快幫民眾來復電他們本身在總統院長之前就非常努力了市長你不要因為是卓榮泰院長跟賴清德總統或部長你就不敢說真話事實上一定會有壓力的我剛剛是在表達我真心的話\n\n11\n00:03:19,977 --> 00:03:47,997\n是我也是表達我真心的話我覺得今天總統這個院長都說什麼這個總統在11號說天黑前全部要送電你覺得基層會不會有壓力一定會有所以在這個部分我想台電面對這個要加速附電的壓力所以導致有員工這個發生病危的這個事故然後像李姓員工他的爸爸就指出搶修的時候還要還繼續通電\n\n12\n00:03:49,858 --> 00:04:13,075\n所以沒有在最安全的狀況之下而造成這樣一個憾事所以勞動部有沒有針對這個部分提出調查對剛已經跟委員說明我們已經正在調查中就是也是針對這個案子就對了好那是針對這個部分可能希望就是能盡快的釐清這樣的事故那另外請教部長就是針對這一次的颱風我們剛剛提到就還有到現在11天還有500多戶還沒有復點\n\n13\n00:04:15,276 --> 00:04:34,546\n所以很多重症的病患会依赖呼吸器抽痰器这些重症病患所以在台南就有发生了两起呼吸器病患因为停电无法使用设备而宣告不治的案例请问一下部长就是当前的灾害应变的体系是不是有把这个仰赖电力维生的人纳入核心保护的对象\n\n14\n00:04:35,582 --> 00:04:59,275\n是的我們對於在災難產生的時候我們就會動員六區的一個緊急應變中心來做好醫療的一個整備同時我們會被比較可能可能會受災的區域他們的弱勢團體來希望移動那像產婦洗腎的這些都是在我們的衛生局一定要把它移動那請問這個有照冊嗎\n\n15\n00:05:03,590 --> 00:05:27,437\n就是你是不是也可以先建立一個高風險的醫療戶的名冊而不是被動的說當發生事情的時候好某些地方可以做這樣的事情可是事實上你都可以先列冊然後針對這些不管是小呼吸器或這個抽痰器他們需要的這些用戶他們就可以馬上先提供他們的這樣的援助不要讓電力中斷我想衛生局他其實都\n\n16\n00:05:29,238 --> 00:05:38,469\n應該是算比中央更清楚所以我們都會跟衛生局來討論那有沒有列車呢就我所知目前是沒有可能我們現在的重點是比較\n\n17\n00:05:41,373 --> 00:06:09,790\n比較適合於偏鄉的一個孕婦洗腎的啦那至於說在家裡居家照顧的這個部分我想我們未來因為像這次停電已經11天了所以說針對這樣子在家裡需要呼吸器的這些病人他本來不需要因為這樣子一個颱風就真的命喪黃泉而是真正如果我們盡快的附電給他有幾個這個所謂的高風險的醫療戶的部分我們盡快的附電給他就可能不會發生這樣\n\n18\n00:06:10,470 --> 00:06:10,830\n好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3455\t6373\t謝謝主席 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