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00:01:08,002\n那個布袋從這樣子登錄上來的時候你知道部長在當初就是7月6號7月6號7月6號7月7號的時候我們初步的登記就是說在台電它導了2454根的電線桿為什麼會導了這麼多的電線桿其實那是因為風力太大沒有中央山脈的一個屏障還有各種的一個原因造成的\n\n4\n00:01:09,005 --> 00:01:16,083\n那台電出動了多少的一個人力一萬次的一個人力那如果我們要講\n\n5\n00:01:17,837 --> 00:01:44,199\n電力產業工會這個近100人的台電的員工跟我們台電電力工會近3萬人的這個員工的一個工會哪一個講的比較精準我想兩個工會講的都精準部長因為電力產業工會是台南市的區域性的一個工會那台南市的區域性的一個工會其實受創我想他們應該是\n\n6\n00:01:46,522 --> 00:02:01,254\n最嚴重最嚴重他們的感受是最深最深的如果這個時候在救災的過程當中還有這麼多的一個口水的話是不應該的當你們看到我們整個整個就是在這幾個區域裡頭\n\n7\n00:02:03,456 --> 00:02:26,733\n你在每一個大街小巷看到的就是台電的工程車那個黃色的工程車在大街小巷裡頭這樣的一個穿梭我們還需要這麼多的口水嗎實在是不應該啊台電的員工每一個人都是這樣的一個投入啊府長我覺得沒道理的說這個沒道理的對一個工夫三萬人對一個工夫沒到一百人\n\n8\n00:02:32,267 --> 00:02:58,488\n想想看我們的心情啊當我們四天剛性需求停電的時候這些台電的人其實他們也是不眠不休的一個搶休啊你到了晚上兩點的時候你還有看到很多的一個工程車啊不這樣啦不可以這樣啦我們的辦公室接到電話竟然台南沒有大罷免\n\n9\n00:03:00,209 --> 00:03:13,325\n這個停電的停電的受災婦她卡來怎麼說她說是不是因為我們不要支持你民進黨的大罷免所以你們不跟我們送電開玩笑台電哪有那種智慧性的一個送電那這樣台電就報死啊\n\n10\n00:03:16,394 --> 00:03:42,535\n怎麼會是這樣子跳躍式的呢所以你就知道說這整個狀況有多慘因為到了第四天絕大部分九成還沒有送電那你說台電很笨嗎不是那是受損的面積太大太大了大家沒有在那個地方看到的時候你們沒有辦法感受到這種世界末日那個數字都是折斷了是折斷的\n\n11\n00:03:45,219 --> 00:03:56,487\n我想所有不管哪一個工會我們都給他加油我們都給他加油吃飯要怎麼樣擺pose我覺得這個這個都是其次的問題啊\n\n12\n00:03:58,586 --> 00:04:18,637\n跟各位說明我想從農部的角度其實我們非常知道這一次丹納斯颱風那對於這個我們南部其實造成的這個重創跟損失的狀況那所以我覺得我們真的是現在應該給台電跟台電的基層的員工最大最大的支持\n\n13\n00:04:19,657 --> 00:04:40,761\n那在這裡面真的不用有這些不必要的口水或者把它做政治化的標籤我覺得這些真的都不必要那什麼樣能夠給他們最大的支持最大的尊重我覺得現在才是政府跟這個社會最該做的事情沒有錯沒有錯部長加油謝謝那我先請那個農業部那個杜長翅\n\n14\n00:04:47,243 --> 00:05:04,777\n長治這個當下是颱風帶來的一個豪雨這17級的豪雨已經造成就是整個大台很大的一個災情的損失那短短的一週的那個強降雨它其實已經高達357毫米就等於是高過整個六月份的降雨量355\n\n15\n00:05:06,698 --> 00:05:27,651\n你看喔短短幾天喔那這個災情受損的嚴重要跟你來探討一下就是說農業的一個災情那我們知道就是說農業部到目前為止我們看到的就是說不管在農產還是畜牧還有遺產那總共損失了27億那這個是初步這是初步這個27億裡頭台南有10億多有10億多\n\n16\n00:05:33,635 --> 00:05:56,849\n好那我簡單的讓你看一下這一個背景今天總統在五天去了兩次那我們看到了就是文旦文旦受損的情形部長次長那個文旦過五十天就可以收了結果在整個麻豆跟下影的文旦你看現在掉滿地這個九層九層幾乎都是掉到地上去了\n\n17\n00:05:58,223 --> 00:06:09,391\n為什麼他們會掉這麼多的陳述你知道當然風大雨大還有就是說他其實也準備要休息了這個時候他相關的資深什麼其實都到這個時候他真的看到都想要流眼淚這真的很感動所以你要看\n\n18\n00:06:15,656 --> 00:06:22,146\n農業部如何協助農民相關的損失這個是本席今天要跟你探討的在這個農業裡頭的一個毀損還有農業設施裡頭那你\n\n19\n00:06:30,077 --> 00:06:57,185\n大概就是說簡單的跟你討論了幾個問題在整個農業天然災害的一個救助紓困的一個措施我們看到了非常的一個清楚這個現金的一個救助天災的一個貸款還有新增半年免息的一個措施你們有沒有在研議有有有因為表示我們在說其實主席多給我一點時間喔抱歉我重災重災婦抱歉\n\n20\n00:06:58,285 --> 00:07:03,288\n現在真的很嚴重包括譬如說以後我們一年就只收而已嘛所以今年如果沒收什麼你說要再支付明年要再做一些經費可能會比較困難包括貸款的還款也是有壓力所以這次我們來延避譬如說還款可以延長免利息的時間也來延長讓我們可以延長多久\n\n21\n00:07:20,460 --> 00:07:38,579\n現在免利本來就是半年那是不是有沒有辦法延長到一年因為這個有前例在這個2009年8月的時候到2010年1月的時候其實我們政府就支應了榮保跟國民年金這個是半年\n\n22\n00:07:39,460 --> 00:07:53,535\n可是在2021年3月的時候我們遇到了百年大旱寒流還有COVID-19的一個沖襲那政府就宣布免貸款免息一年這個都不是首例啦都不是首例因為他就沒休息還要再給他還錢這個事情壓力很大這我們了解\n\n23\n00:07:58,380 --> 00:08:19,796\n所以希望就是說次長待會去研究還有在整個沿海地帶有很多的一個養殖業現在面臨到一個困境就是說這些養殖業你看死掉的這些沙巴魚還有這些餘溫裡頭的所有的遺產為什麼沒有人撈啊因為這個死的面積太大了\n\n24\n00:08:20,777 --> 00:08:40,956\n那你這麼大的一個面積的時候,你光靠現有的人力光是靠國軍的人力,光靠這個替代役的人力,沒辦法啦那你的機械呢?你的機械是不是應該要進來?你要怎麼樣協助這些人?因為他再來的後面延伸的就是環境的一個汙染\n\n25\n00:08:42,097 --> 00:09:08,620\n環境的一個汙染那後續怎麼樣來處理所以就是說市長這個非常重要不是不可能你前面都已經有那麼多次了啊這要快點清掉啦一個就是說我也跟青雲業者我們自己都沒說能夠借到車要說一些文匯上的東西我跟你講如果農業沒有去認定這是農業上的一個損失的話環境部不知道啦\n\n26\n00:09:10,229 --> 00:09:18,257\n環境部不知道啦這個非常清楚我們這十天在地方一直在張羅這些事情所以農業部的一個農損的一個認定還有你的資產的一個認定這個是農業部你們必須要快速去認定了不然你那邊的分手都不可能啦好主席再給我一點時間\n\n27\n00:09:32,870 --> 00:09:55,129\n還有一段時間農業的天然救助跟紓困的措施拜託長治趕快啟動趕快啟動然後重減重寬不要造成那麼大的一個民怨尤其就是在整個海域裡頭沿岸裡頭幾乎都是老弱殘兵\n\n28\n00:09:55,649 --> 00:10:17,594\n有啦,所以APP企業這邊很多人有上傳,這第一點,阿第一點我們農金署如果收到資料一年,剛來得一點半塊,因為大家這台很要緊那我們知道現金的救助跟天然的一個貸款,這個已經是在運行中了可是我們希望這個免息半年延長到一年,免息半年延長到一年,然後救災基金夠不夠\n\n29\n00:10:19,147 --> 00:10:44,098\n你的農業救災基金夠不夠39.6億夠不夠沒夠嘛一定沒夠沒夠你要動用第二億倍金你要多少錢啊我們比較快來處理錢的事情你是有處理還是沒處理一定要處理因為絕對沒夠對所以你要儘快因為動用到第二億倍金所以你要快謝謝委員支持在這裡我還特別就是說跟農業部勞動部還有衛福部\n\n30\n00:10:46,579 --> 00:11:02,068\n怎麼樣去減免災民的健康保險國民年金的費用外務部部長這個也請你跟就是我們跨部會的去研擬因為這個都有潛力的已經有潛力了我們也希望就是說你們可以比照辦理\n\n31\n00:11:03,687 --> 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有請那個勞動部部長\n14712\t33267\t我是在這一次丹納斯颱風重創整個南部我是重災區的重災因為本席的11個區域全部都是在沒有中央山脈的一個屏障然後在7月6號17級的這個強風直接吹到就是七谷北門還有\n39071\t68002\t那個布袋從這樣子登錄上來的時候你知道部長在當初就是7月6號7月6號7月6號7月7號的時候我們初步的登記就是說在台電它導了2454根的電線桿為什麼會導了這麼多的電線桿其實那是因為風力太大沒有中央山脈的一個屏障還有各種的一個原因造成的\n69005\t76083\t那台電出動了多少的一個人力一萬次的一個人力那如果我們要講\n77837\t104199\t電力產業工會這個近100人的台電的員工跟我們台電電力工會近3萬人的這個員工的一個工會哪一個講的比較精準我想兩個工會講的都精準部長因為電力產業工會是台南市的區域性的一個工會那台南市的區域性的一個工會其實受創我想他們應該是\n106522\t121254\t最嚴重最嚴重他們的感受是最深最深的如果這個時候在救災的過程當中還有這麼多的一個口水的話是不應該的當你們看到我們整個整個就是在這幾個區域裡頭\n123456\t146733\t你在每一個大街小巷看到的就是台電的工程車那個黃色的工程車在大街小巷裡頭 這樣的一個穿梭我們還需要這麼多的口水嗎 實在是不應該啊台電的員工每一個人都是這樣的一個投入啊府長 我覺得沒道理的 說這個沒道理的對一個工夫 三萬人對一個工夫 沒到一百人\n152267\t178488\t想想看我們的心情啊當我們四天剛性需求停電的時候這些台電的人其實他們也是不眠不休的一個搶休啊你到了晚上兩點的時候你還有看到很多的一個工程車啊不這樣啦 不可以這樣啦我們的辦公室接到電話竟然台南沒有大罷免\n180209\t193325\t這個停電的 停電的受災婦她卡來怎麼說 她說是不是因為我們不要支持你民進黨的大罷免所以你們不跟我們送電開玩笑 台電哪有那種智慧性的一個送電那這樣台電就報死啊\n196394\t222535\t怎麼會是這樣子跳躍式的呢所以你就知道說這整個狀況有多慘因為到了第四天絕大部分九成還沒有送電那你說台電很笨嗎不是那是受損的面積太大太大了大家沒有在那個地方看到的時候你們沒有辦法感受到這種世界末日那個數字都是折斷了是折斷的\n225219\t236487\t我想所有不管哪一個工會我們都給他加油我們都給他加油吃飯要怎麼樣擺pose我覺得這個這個都是其次的問題啊\n238586\t258637\t跟各位說明我想從農部的角度其實我們非常知道這一次丹納斯颱風那對於這個我們南部其實造成的這個重創跟損失的狀況那所以我覺得我們真的是現在應該給台電跟台電的基層的員工最大最大的支持\n259657\t280761\t那在這裡面真的不用有這些不必要的口水或者把它做政治化的標籤我覺得這些真的都不必要那什麼樣能夠給他們最大的支持最大的尊重我覺得現在才是政府跟這個社會最該做的事情沒有錯沒有錯部長加油謝謝那我先請那個農業部那個杜長翅\n287243\t304777\t長治 這個當下是颱風帶來的一個豪雨 這17級的豪雨已經造成就是整個大台很大的一個災情的損失那短短的一週的那個強降雨 它其實已經高達357毫米就等於是高過整個六月份的降雨量355\n306698\t327651\t你看喔短短幾天喔那這個災情受損的嚴重要跟你來探討一下就是說農業的一個災情那我們知道就是說農業部到目前為止我們看到的就是說不管在農產還是畜牧還有遺產那總共損失了27億那這個是初步這是初步這個27億裡頭台南有10億多有10億多\n333635\t356849\t好 那我簡單的讓你看一下這一個背景今天總統在五天去了兩次那我們看到了就是文旦 文旦受損的情形部長 次長 那個文旦過五十天 就可以收了結果在整個麻豆跟下影的文旦你看現在掉滿地 這個九層 九層幾乎都是掉到地上去了\n358223\t369391\t為什麼他們會掉這麼多的陳述你知道當然風大雨大還有就是說他其實也準備要休息了這個時候他相關的資深什麼其實都到這個時候他真的看到都想要流眼淚這真的很感動所以你要看\n375656\t382146\t農業部如何協助農民相關的損失這個是本席今天要跟你探討的在這個農業裡頭的一個毀損還有農業設施裡頭那你\n390077\t417185\t大概就是說簡單的跟你討論了幾個問題在整個農業天然災害的一個救助紓困的一個措施我們看到了非常的一個清楚這個現金的一個救助天災的一個貸款還有新增半年免息的一個措施你們有沒有在研議有有有因為表示我們在說其實 主席多給我一點時間喔 抱歉我重災重災婦抱歉\n418285\t423288\t現在真的很嚴重 包括譬如說以後我們一年就只收而已嘛所以今年如果沒收什麼 你說要再支付明年要再做一些經費可能會比較困難包括貸款的還款也是有壓力所以這次我們來延避 譬如說還款可以延長免利息的時間也來延長 讓我們可以延長多久\n440460\t458579\t現在免利本來就是半年那是不是有沒有辦法延長到一年因為這個有前例在這個2009年8月的時候到2010年1月的時候其實我們政府就支應了榮保跟國民年金這個是半年\n459460\t473535\t可是在2021年3月的時候我們遇到了百年大旱 寒流還有COVID-19的一個沖襲那政府就宣布免貸款免息一年這個都不是首例啦都不是首例 因為他就沒休息 還要再給他還錢這個事情 壓力很大 這我們了解\n478380\t499796\t所以希望就是說次長待會去研究還有在整個沿海地帶有很多的一個養殖業現在面臨到一個困境就是說這些養殖業你看死掉的這些沙巴魚還有這些餘溫裡頭的所有的遺產為什麼沒有人撈啊因為這個死的面積太大了\n500777\t520956\t那你這麼大的一個面積的時候,你光靠現有的人力光是靠國軍的人力,光靠這個替代役的人力,沒辦法啦那你的機械呢?你的機械是不是應該要進來?你要怎麼樣協助這些人?因為他再來的後面延伸的就是環境的一個汙染\n522097\t548620\t環境的一個汙染 那後續怎麼樣來處理所以就是說 市長 這個非常重要不是不可能 你前面都已經有那麼多次了啊這要快點清掉啦 一個就是說 我也跟青雲業者我們自己都沒說 能夠借到車 要說一些文匯上的東西我跟你講 如果農業沒有去認定這是農業上的一個損失的話 環境部不知道啦\n550229\t558257\t環境部不知道啦 這個非常清楚我們這十天在地方 一直在張羅這些事情所以農業部的一個 農損的一個認定還有你的資產的一個認定 這個是農業部你們必須要快速去認定了不然你那邊的分手都不可能啦好 主席 再給我一點時間\n572870\t595129\t還有一段時間 農業的天然救助跟紓困的措施 拜託長治趕快啟動 趕快啟動 然後重減 重寬不要造成那麼大的一個民怨 尤其就是在整個海域裡頭 沿岸裡頭幾乎都是老弱殘兵\n595649\t617594\t有啦,所以APP企業這邊很多人有上傳,這第一點,阿第一點我們農金署如果收到資料一年,剛來得一點半塊,因為大家這台很要緊那我們知道現金的救助跟天然的一個貸款,這個已經是在運行中了可是我們希望這個免息半年延長到一年,免息半年延長到一年,然後救災基金夠不夠\n619147\t644098\t你的農業救災基金夠不夠 39.6億夠不夠沒夠嘛 一定沒夠沒夠你要動用第二億倍金 你要多少錢啊我們比較快來處理錢的事情你是有處理還是沒處理一定要處理 因為絕對沒夠對 所以你要儘快因為動用到第二億倍金 所以你要快謝謝委員支持在這裡我還特別就是說跟農業部 勞動部 還有衛福部\n646579\t662068\t怎麼樣去減免災民的健康保險國民年金的費用 外務部部長這個也請你跟就是我們跨部會的去研擬因為這個都有潛力的 已經有潛力了我們也希望就是說你們可以比照辦理\n663687\t685707\t然後還有就是災民的醫療那個災民的醫療還有安置還有照顧的一個措施那我們知道就是整個災後的一週登革熱是最嚴重的這也是一個關鍵我不知道衛福部有沒有啟動什麼樣的一個措施協助那個民眾的一個預防\n687512\t714771\t我們在第一時間已經整個去了解到整個運轉的情況剛剛有報告那至於受災的醫療院所我們也去盤整在健保的一個提供方面會給他比較合理的一個處理來幫助他運轉我們知道你的那個慰問金已經有出來的嘛死亡嘛還有失蹤的是20萬嘛重傷的是5萬嘛有關於預防登革二疾患史來啟動了一個相關的一個策略了\n715091\t739073\t部長 外公 你的考驗來了喔這個風災過後 那個是滿個屋子都是蚊子在飛喔這個況且有很多龍損到現在是沒有辦法處理的喔這個整個環境是非常糟糕非常糟糕的你要加強地方政府衛生局的一個消毒要支援他 好不好是 全力以赴 全力以赴好 謝謝主席好 謝謝 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請那個勞動部部長\n我是在這一次丹納斯颱風重創整個南部我是重災區的重災因為本席的11個區域全部都是在沒有中央山脈的一個屏障然後在7月6號17級的這個強風直接吹到就是七谷北門還有\n那個布袋從這樣子登錄上來的時候你知道部長在當初就是7月6號7月6號7月6號7月7號的時候我們初步的登記就是說在台電它導了2454根的電線桿為什麼會導了這麼多的電線桿其實那是因為風力太大沒有中央山脈的一個屏障還有各種的一個原因造成的\n那台電出動了多少的一個人力一萬次的一個人力那如果我們要講\n電力產業工會這個近100人的台電的員工跟我們台電電力工會近3萬人的這個員工的一個工會哪一個講的比較精準我想兩個工會講的都精準部長因為電力產業工會是台南市的區域性的一個工會那台南市的區域性的一個工會其實受創我想他們應該是\n最嚴重最嚴重他們的感受是最深最深的如果這個時候在救災的過程當中還有這麼多的一個口水的話是不應該的當你們看到我們整個整個就是在這幾個區域裡頭\n你在每一個大街小巷看到的就是台電的工程車那個黃色的工程車在大街小巷裡頭 這樣的一個穿梭我們還需要這麼多的口水嗎 實在是不應該啊台電的員工每一個人都是這樣的一個投入啊府長 我覺得沒道理的 說這個沒道理的對一個工夫 三萬人對一個工夫 沒到一百人\n想想看我們的心情啊當我們四天剛性需求停電的時候這些台電的人其實他們也是不眠不休的一個搶休啊你到了晚上兩點的時候你還有看到很多的一個工程車啊不這樣啦 不可以這樣啦我們的辦公室接到電話竟然台南沒有大罷免\n這個停電的 停電的受災婦她卡來怎麼說 她說是不是因為我們不要支持你民進黨的大罷免所以你們不跟我們送電開玩笑 台電哪有那種智慧性的一個送電那這樣台電就報死啊\n怎麼會是這樣子跳躍式的呢所以你就知道說這整個狀況有多慘因為到了第四天絕大部分九成還沒有送電那你說台電很笨嗎不是那是受損的面積太大太大了大家沒有在那個地方看到的時候你們沒有辦法感受到這種世界末日那個數字都是折斷了是折斷的\n我想所有不管哪一個工會我們都給他加油我們都給他加油吃飯要怎麼樣擺pose我覺得這個這個都是其次的問題啊\n跟各位說明我想從農部的角度其實我們非常知道這一次丹納斯颱風那對於這個我們南部其實造成的這個重創跟損失的狀況那所以我覺得我們真的是現在應該給台電跟台電的基層的員工最大最大的支持\n那在這裡面真的不用有這些不必要的口水或者把它做政治化的標籤我覺得這些真的都不必要那什麼樣能夠給他們最大的支持最大的尊重我覺得現在才是政府跟這個社會最該做的事情沒有錯沒有錯部長加油謝謝那我先請那個農業部那個杜長翅\n長治 這個當下是颱風帶來的一個豪雨 這17級的豪雨已經造成就是整個大台很大的一個災情的損失那短短的一週的那個強降雨 它其實已經高達357毫米就等於是高過整個六月份的降雨量355\n你看喔短短幾天喔那這個災情受損的嚴重要跟你來探討一下就是說農業的一個災情那我們知道就是說農業部到目前為止我們看到的就是說不管在農產還是畜牧還有遺產那總共損失了27億那這個是初步這是初步這個27億裡頭台南有10億多有10億多\n好 那我簡單的讓你看一下這一個背景今天總統在五天去了兩次那我們看到了就是文旦 文旦受損的情形部長 次長 那個文旦過五十天 就可以收了結果在整個麻豆跟下影的文旦你看現在掉滿地 這個九層 九層幾乎都是掉到地上去了\n為什麼他們會掉這麼多的陳述你知道當然風大雨大還有就是說他其實也準備要休息了這個時候他相關的資深什麼其實都到這個時候他真的看到都想要流眼淚這真的很感動所以你要看\n農業部如何協助農民相關的損失這個是本席今天要跟你探討的在這個農業裡頭的一個毀損還有農業設施裡頭那你\n大概就是說簡單的跟你討論了幾個問題在整個農業天然災害的一個救助紓困的一個措施我們看到了非常的一個清楚這個現金的一個救助天災的一個貸款還有新增半年免息的一個措施你們有沒有在研議有有有因為表示我們在說其實 主席多給我一點時間喔 抱歉我重災重災婦抱歉\n現在真的很嚴重 包括譬如說以後我們一年就只收而已嘛所以今年如果沒收什麼 你說要再支付明年要再做一些經費可能會比較困難包括貸款的還款也是有壓力所以這次我們來延避 譬如說還款可以延長免利息的時間也來延長 讓我們可以延長多久\n現在免利本來就是半年那是不是有沒有辦法延長到一年因為這個有前例在這個2009年8月的時候到2010年1月的時候其實我們政府就支應了榮保跟國民年金這個是半年\n可是在2021年3月的時候我們遇到了百年大旱 寒流還有COVID-19的一個沖襲那政府就宣布免貸款免息一年這個都不是首例啦都不是首例 因為他就沒休息 還要再給他還錢這個事情 壓力很大 這我們了解\n所以希望就是說次長待會去研究還有在整個沿海地帶有很多的一個養殖業現在面臨到一個困境就是說這些養殖業你看死掉的這些沙巴魚還有這些餘溫裡頭的所有的遺產為什麼沒有人撈啊因為這個死的面積太大了\n那你這麼大的一個面積的時候,你光靠現有的人力光是靠國軍的人力,光靠這個替代役的人力,沒辦法啦那你的機械呢?你的機械是不是應該要進來?你要怎麼樣協助這些人?因為他再來的後面延伸的就是環境的一個汙染\n環境的一個汙染 那後續怎麼樣來處理所以就是說 市長 這個非常重要不是不可能 你前面都已經有那麼多次了啊這要快點清掉啦 一個就是說 我也跟青雲業者我們自己都沒說 能夠借到車 要說一些文匯上的東西我跟你講 如果農業沒有去認定這是農業上的一個損失的話 環境部不知道啦\n環境部不知道啦 這個非常清楚我們這十天在地方 一直在張羅這些事情所以農業部的一個 農損的一個認定還有你的資產的一個認定 這個是農業部你們必須要快速去認定了不然你那邊的分手都不可能啦好 主席 再給我一點時間\n還有一段時間 農業的天然救助跟紓困的措施 拜託長治趕快啟動 趕快啟動 然後重減 重寬不要造成那麼大的一個民怨 尤其就是在整個海域裡頭 沿岸裡頭幾乎都是老弱殘兵\n有啦,所以APP企業這邊很多人有上傳,這第一點,阿第一點我們農金署如果收到資料一年,剛來得一點半塊,因為大家這台很要緊那我們知道現金的救助跟天然的一個貸款,這個已經是在運行中了可是我們希望這個免息半年延長到一年,免息半年延長到一年,然後救災基金夠不夠\n你的農業救災基金夠不夠 39.6億夠不夠沒夠嘛 一定沒夠沒夠你要動用第二億倍金 你要多少錢啊我們比較快來處理錢的事情你是有處理還是沒處理一定要處理 因為絕對沒夠對 所以你要儘快因為動用到第二億倍金 所以你要快謝謝委員支持在這裡我還特別就是說跟農業部 勞動部 還有衛福部\n怎麼樣去減免災民的健康保險國民年金的費用 外務部部長這個也請你跟就是我們跨部會的去研擬因為這個都有潛力的 已經有潛力了我們也希望就是說你們可以比照辦理\n然後還有就是災民的醫療那個災民的醫療還有安置還有照顧的一個措施那我們知道就是整個災後的一週登革熱是最嚴重的這也是一個關鍵我不知道衛福部有沒有啟動什麼樣的一個措施協助那個民眾的一個預防\n我們在第一時間已經整個去了解到整個運轉的情況剛剛有報告那至於受災的醫療院所我們也去盤整在健保的一個提供方面會給他比較合理的一個處理來幫助他運轉我們知道你的那個慰問金已經有出來的嘛死亡嘛還有失蹤的是20萬嘛重傷的是5萬嘛有關於預防登革二疾患史來啟動了一個相關的一個策略了\n部長 外公 你的考驗來了喔這個風災過後 那個是滿個屋子都是蚊子在飛喔這個況且有很多龍損到現在是沒有辦法處理的喔這個整個環境是非常糟糕非常糟糕的你要加強地方政府衛生局的一個消毒要支援他 好不好是 全力以赴 全力以赴好 謝謝主席好 謝謝 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.053 --> 00:03.299\n謝謝主席有請那個勞動部部長\n\n00:14.712 --> 00:33.267\n我是在這一次丹納斯颱風重創整個南部我是重災區的重災因為本席的11個區域全部都是在沒有中央山脈的一個屏障然後在7月6號17級的這個強風直接吹到就是七谷北門還有\n\n00:39.071 --> 01:08.002\n那個布袋從這樣子登錄上來的時候你知道部長在當初就是7月6號7月6號7月6號7月7號的時候我們初步的登記就是說在台電它導了2454根的電線桿為什麼會導了這麼多的電線桿其實那是因為風力太大沒有中央山脈的一個屏障還有各種的一個原因造成的\n\n01:09.005 --> 01:16.083\n那台電出動了多少的一個人力一萬次的一個人力那如果我們要講\n\n01:17.837 --> 01:44.199\n電力產業工會這個近100人的台電的員工跟我們台電電力工會近3萬人的這個員工的一個工會哪一個講的比較精準我想兩個工會講的都精準部長因為電力產業工會是台南市的區域性的一個工會那台南市的區域性的一個工會其實受創我想他們應該是\n\n01:46.522 --> 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05:04.777\n長治這個當下是颱風帶來的一個豪雨這17級的豪雨已經造成就是整個大台很大的一個災情的損失那短短的一週的那個強降雨它其實已經高達357毫米就等於是高過整個六月份的降雨量355\n\n05:06.698 --> 05:27.651\n你看喔短短幾天喔那這個災情受損的嚴重要跟你來探討一下就是說農業的一個災情那我們知道就是說農業部到目前為止我們看到的就是說不管在農產還是畜牧還有遺產那總共損失了27億那這個是初步這是初步這個27億裡頭台南有10億多有10億多\n\n05:33.635 --> 05:56.849\n好那我簡單的讓你看一下這一個背景今天總統在五天去了兩次那我們看到了就是文旦文旦受損的情形部長次長那個文旦過五十天就可以收了結果在整個麻豆跟下影的文旦你看現在掉滿地這個九層九層幾乎都是掉到地上去了\n\n05:58.223 --> 06:09.391\n為什麼他們會掉這麼多的陳述你知道當然風大雨大還有就是說他其實也準備要休息了這個時候他相關的資深什麼其實都到這個時候他真的看到都想要流眼淚這真的很感動所以你要看\n\n06:15.656 --> 06:22.146\n農業部如何協助農民相關的損失這個是本席今天要跟你探討的在這個農業裡頭的一個毀損還有農業設施裡頭那你\n\n06:30.077 --> 06:57.185\n大概就是說簡單的跟你討論了幾個問題在整個農業天然災害的一個救助紓困的一個措施我們看到了非常的一個清楚這個現金的一個救助天災的一個貸款還有新增半年免息的一個措施你們有沒有在研議有有有因為表示我們在說其實主席多給我一點時間喔抱歉我重災重災婦抱歉\n\n06:58.285 --> 07:03.288\n現在真的很嚴重包括譬如說以後我們一年就只收而已嘛所以今年如果沒收什麼你說要再支付明年要再做一些經費可能會比較困難包括貸款的還款也是有壓力所以這次我們來延避譬如說還款可以延長免利息的時間也來延長讓我們可以延長多久\n\n07:20.460 --> 07:38.579\n現在免利本來就是半年那是不是有沒有辦法延長到一年因為這個有前例在這個2009年8月的時候到2010年1月的時候其實我們政府就支應了榮保跟國民年金這個是半年\n\n07:39.460 --> 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