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00:02:31,371\n所以說我們現在台電這邊我們會去了解就是說其實這一段時間以來我們有很多工班派出去去搶修我們看到很多畫面很多的民眾事實上感謝台電同仁修復但我們會遇到一個狀況一個案子在那個地方做我到了晚上10點我是要繼續把它做完還是跟所有的民眾說抱歉\n\n7\n00:02:32,391 --> 00:02:53,623\n我們明天再來所以這個部分的時候我們就碰到了一個問題就是說如果會這樣子的一個超時工作然後三天沒睡幾個小時就顯然人力很缺嘛我覺得三天沒睡幾個小時這件事我們要這個是一個訊息調查之後對所以我想說一定是人力有短缺的部分對不對一定非常的辛勞\n\n8\n00:02:54,443 --> 00:03:23,357\n是當然我們對於台電的基層員工的時候的辛苦我們都看在眼裡而且我們也感同身受而且我們也非常的肯定那我只是要想說以整個經濟部跟整個台電公司來說我們要給他們一個怎麼樣的一個好的一個制度當然就是風災這件事情不是每天都會發生可是我們還是要有一個比較好的一個制度去因應它那我看到的一個情況就是說在整個經濟部有點糖水下面的一個重大的公安事故當中的時候\n\n9\n00:03:23,717 --> 00:03:41,026\n台電的比重是最高的佔據一半以上我覺得這些事情你要去除以百萬小時就是說你的那個工量員工人數等等的母數要進來平均所以我想把今天這個問題的時候再往下把它給這個focus在比方說我想請教在我們\n\n10\n00:03:45,088 --> 00:03:57,576\n112年之前因為我們現在看到台電經濟部這邊提供出來的速度只在113年3月以前那麼在這之前的時候我想請教一下台電的重大子在當中的時候發生感電事故的次數有幾次\n\n11\n00:03:59,343 --> 00:04:17,061\n我可不可以回去查資料給你可以我可以直接跟你講目前在這個113年3月之前總共有5次它不包含就是2月份有出現的一次資料這是監察院這邊統計出來的資料那在這次數當中的時候我發現承染商這邊的一個\n\n12\n00:04:18,622 --> 00:04:37,748\n次數其實更多那我只是想針對這個部分因為基本上一定是人力有缺所以經濟部有跟勞動部要求開放外籍的人士來進來做一個配電外線的一個工作我想請教一下董事長知道這個狀態嗎\n\n13\n00:04:39,108 --> 00:04:50,419\n我跟委員報告因為國營事業需要考試所以不會有移工而包商的包商可以有移工所以說我們看到所有的一個感電事故當中的時候包商發生的情況多所以我想請教一下\n\n14\n00:04:57,546 --> 00:05:13,699\n以目前因為今年開始的時候開放的這個部分包商可以去申請移工的部分我們大概需要多少的那個工人來補充這樣子的一個配線配電外線的一個部分大概需要多少的人力才足夠\n\n15\n00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:30,985\n跟委員報告因為包商的部分是協助台電一起來做工程的施作那其實他跟工程的量體有關原來我們是在做例行的工作可是這次颱風之後我們可能會增加很多真的是要補強的\n\n16\n00:05:32,665 --> 00:05:48,174\n是所以我們就是希望說就是台電因為台灣每天都會有颱風啦每年季都會有颱風所以針對這樣的問題的時候我們希望能夠有一個更好的制度然後對於這樣子基層的台電員工的時候能夠有比較多的保障\n\n17\n00:05:49,415 --> 00:06:06,137\n補充一個訊息可不可以這是其中一個部分我講台電本身台電本身我當董事長以後這三年台電增加了超過兩千名的員工成長率是8.7%\n\n18\n00:06:08,171 --> 00:06:25,705\n那我想說這一段時間以來我們其實很清楚知道說我們需要努力的來增加那關鍵是經濟部非常非常的支持其實過去是一個管控人員的狀況好的董事長這個部分你如果說要針對這個部分你可以給我後續的訊明資料因為我還有一個問題要問然後我是針對今天針對這樣子的一個基層\n\n19\n00:06:32,883 --> 00:06:56,177\n勞工基層員工他們的一個工作的一個狀態我們特別提出關心所以說經濟部也跟勞動部做了一個溝通那如果說這個部分也顯然就是我們要解決問題的方法之一所以我們希望說到底需要多少然後目前有多少的時候我們還需要勞動部這邊配合所以你給我一個完整的書面資料好不好好那接下來是我想請教一下郭部長就是我們\n\n20\n00:06:58,612 --> 00:07:08,212\n鄧麗君我們行政院副院長是不是這個禮拜還要再到美國去談關稅的問題是的是嗎那我在想說因為我們看到之前\n\n21\n00:07:10,014 --> 00:07:27,331\n就是7月8號賴總統公布出來的這個照片的時候在講對冷關稅裡面其實我發現其實經濟部跟農業部都不在這樣子的一個照片當中可是我們覺得對冷關稅的談判裡面經濟部跟農業部肯定是重點重中之重所以我比較好奇的狀態是說再比方說7月11號\n\n22\n00:07:31,795 --> 00:07:58,474\n行政院副院長他們回來的時候當時是肯定還沒有談成一個條件那是不是因為我們經濟部跟農業部這邊提供出來的談判籌碼還不夠所以這一次的時候回來之後在做了這樣的溝通之後我們是不是還有準備新的談判籌碼要過去談這部分可不可以請部長做一個簡單回應報告委員我想因為我不是實際的這個談判小組內容我不是很清楚\n\n23\n00:07:59,415 --> 00:08:15,338\n所以沒有辦法回答委員的詢問不過我們總是在談判上面美方要求我們對於出國管制對於我們邊境的防護有高度的期許所以當初我們編了費用的時候大家輿論在講說\n\n24\n00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:50,679\n國防跟這個海巡的這個費用要拿掉什麼所以這個引起美方非常大的關注所以我想先請教一下針對這次因為8月1號也快到了但你剛剛提到說它可以再延那你覺得我們有沒有可能跟美國在8月1號之前把這部分把它給談下來然後稅率大概會落在什麼樣子的一個range因為大家都非常的擔心東亞這邊大概只剩下台灣還沒有談出來\n\n25\n00:08:53,867 --> 00:09:11,638\n這個匯率會落到哪裡要這個去談我想這個不是我在這邊可以臆測的那我想跟委員報告我們大家都非常的努力希望能夠爭取到目標放在哪裡稅率我們會非常努力我們希望能夠跟我們的競爭國談出來一個比我們的競爭國家更好的這個稅率\n\n26\n00:09:12,699 --> 00:09:41,202\nOK好謝謝那我向這邊我想接下來問一下農業部長因為這個美國貿易代表3月曾經提交一個2025年對外貿易障礙評估報告特別點名台灣這邊包括了一個美豬美牛馬鈴薯然後稻米跟基改食品米酒的稅率這個問題然後他特別提到這個部分是不必要的貿易障礙那我想請教一下部長他裡面甚至也特別提到要希望說台灣這邊要取消\n\n27\n00:09:42,003 --> 00:09:52,565\n學童營養午餐不得使用基改食物的禁令針對這些部分的時候我想請教一下部長我們這些部分有哪些部門會繼續堅持還是會有一些妥協\n\n28\n00:09:53,727 --> 00:10:12,737\n第一個委員報告有關於基改食品競技校園這個部分是衛福部的主管的一個權責那就農業部來講其實我們關切的是國內的農業的生產那在這次關稅的一個談判過程中當然美方有美方的期待那我們也有我們要堅持的\n\n29\n00:10:13,197 --> 00:10:29,893\n那我們的堅持就是一定要確保糧食安全確保我們的產業永續而且更重要的是要保障我們農民的權益所以在談判過程中我們還是會針對這三個原則去做有效的溝通希望能夠找到一個大家都雙贏的或互補的這樣的一個結果\n\n30\n00:10:33,576 --> 00:10:58,202\n是部長我說台北貿易肯定是重要關稅問題肯定是重要可是對於國內的健康問題肯定也非常重要那麼我們希望農業部這邊該監測的部門務必一定要堅持住好不好這個我想那個包括行政院也特別提到就是我們一定會確保我們國人的一個健康這個是我想一個非常重要的一個前提OK好謝謝陳部長那我接下來想要問因為賴總統請問一下那個次長\n\n31\n00:11:03,223 --> 00:11:15,675\n交通部陳次長因為賴總統預計八月份要出訪中南美那可能會過境紐約跟達拉斯那麼在這過程當中的時候其實大家就思考到一個狀態就是說是不是會在美國的時候賴總統會在美國的時候宣布對美國的一個波音公司的一個採購案\n\n32\n00:11:25,410 --> 00:11:41,312\n這邊可不可以請次長做一個簡單回應是我想跟委員報告一下有關航空公司的這個採購案我想這是公司裡頭他會整體的考量那至於說總統出訪的時候會不會有相關的一個宣布我個人並不曉得\n\n33\n00:11:42,553 --> 00:12:11,113\n因為交通部對於整個我們飛機的採購肯定其實是有一些影響力的啦那我知道說其實飛機採購當中其實在這一次很多國家的一個對聯台灣當中也發生了一定的一個影響力所以我們如果說要對於美國有一個航空器的一個採購的時候當然是一個台灣條件當中之一那我們希望說能夠幫台灣爭取到最好的一個條件能夠讓整個台灣的經濟整體其實是往好的方向去發展的\n\n34\n00:12:11,857 --> 00:12:17,206\n那這部分就請我們經濟部、農業部跟我們交通部這邊都一起努力謝謝大家謝謝好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11075\t24065\t谢谢主席我想请一下经济部长郭志辉还有我们台电的董事长曾文生然后农业部长陈俊济然后还有我们交通部政次陈彦博谢谢陈次长\n28203\t50974\t部長早首先我想先針對這一次就是主席這次安排了一個丹納斯颱風之後的一個後續專案報告那我想說對於這次丹納斯颱風重創南台灣的部分其實我們也都非常難過那尤其是針對台電這次其實確實也受到了一些損失那麼在這一次當中的時候我們也看到台電員工\n52301\t71192\t基層的員工在這一次在搶救後續相關問題的時候是非常非常的認真那當中也碰到了有出現了一個感電事故的問題那我想說尤其我們看到他說他的在IG上面留言說他三天沒睡幾個小時那針對這個部分的時候我想因為台電在事後說會馬上進行一個檢討的報告我想請教這檢討報告出來了沒有大概什麼時候可以出來\n84141\t104842\t那個跟委員報告那個對於我們這些輪班的工作台電會做一些討論那我們上個週上個禮拜六晚上九點才把所有的電力修復那今天是星期一的週末其實我知道這個電的問題喔我知道你們很努力在做那我今天想特別問的是\n106303\t121169\t基層勞工他們這個部分因為會講到說三天沒睡幾個小時的部分那是不是在我們制度上面對於他們超時工作的部分平常工作的部分其實是有一個不完善的一個制度我想針對這部分來跟董事長這邊就教\n122071\t151371\t所以說我們現在台電這邊我們會去了解就是說其實這一段時間以來我們有很多工班派出去去搶修我們看到很多畫面很多的民眾事實上感謝台電同仁修復但我們會遇到一個狀況一個案子在那個地方做我到了晚上10點我是要繼續把它做完還是跟所有的民眾說抱歉\n152391\t173623\t我們明天再來所以這個部分的時候我們就碰到了一個問題就是說如果會這樣子的一個超時工作然後三天沒睡幾個小時就顯然人力很缺嘛我覺得三天沒睡幾個小時這件事我們要這個是一個訊息調查之後 對所以我想說一定是人力有短缺的部分對不對一定非常的辛勞\n174443\t203357\t是當然我們對於台電的基層員工的時候的辛苦我們都看在眼裡而且我們也感同身受而且我們也非常的肯定那我只是要想說以整個經濟部跟整個台電公司來說我們要給他們一個怎麼樣的一個好的一個制度當然就是風災這件事情不是每天都會發生可是我們還是要有一個比較好的一個制度去因應它那我看到的一個情況就是說在整個經濟部有點糖水下面的一個重大的公安事故當中的時候\n203717\t221026\t台電的比重是最高的佔據一半以上我覺得這些事情你要去除以百萬小時就是說你的那個工量員工人數等等的母數要進來平均所以我想把今天這個問題的時候再往下把它給這個focus在比方說我想請教在我們\n225088\t237576\t112年之前因為我們現在看到台電經濟部這邊提供出來的速度只在113年3月以前那麼在這之前的時候我想請教一下台電的重大子在當中的時候發生感電事故的次數有幾次\n239343\t257061\t我可不可以回去查資料給你可以 我可以直接跟你講目前在這個113年3月之前總共有5次它不包含就是2月份有出現的一次資料這是監察院這邊統計出來的資料那在這次數當中的時候我發現承染商這邊的一個\n258622\t277748\t次數其實更多那我只是想針對這個部分因為基本上一定是人力有缺所以經濟部有跟勞動部要求開放外籍的人士來進來做一個配電外線的一個工作我想請教一下 董事長知道這個狀態嗎\n279108\t290419\t我跟委員報告因為國營事業需要考試所以不會有移工而包商的包商可以有移工所以說我們看到所有的一個感電事故當中的時候包商發生的情況多所以我想請教一下\n297546\t313699\t以目前因為今年開始的時候開放的這個部分包商可以去申請移工的部分我們大概需要多少的那個工人來補充這樣子的一個配線配電外線的一個部分大概需要多少的人力才足夠\n314440\t330985\t跟委員報告因為包商的部分是協助台電一起來做工程的施作那其實他跟工程的量體有關原來我們是在做例行的工作可是這次颱風之後我們可能會增加很多真的是要補強的\n332665\t348174\t是 所以我們就是希望說就是台電因為台灣每天都會有颱風啦每年季都會有颱風所以針對這樣的問題的時候我們希望能夠有一個更好的制度然後對於這樣子基層的台電員工的時候能夠有比較多的保障\n349415\t366137\t補充一個訊息可不可以這是其中一個部分我講台電本身台電本身我當董事長以後這三年台電增加了超過兩千名的員工成長率是8.7%\n368171\t385705\t那我想說這一段時間以來我們其實很清楚知道說我們需要努力的來增加那關鍵是經濟部非常非常的支持其實過去是一個管控人員的狀況好的 董事長這個部分你如果說要針對這個部分你可以給我後續的訊明資料因為我還有一個問題要問然後我是針對今天針對這樣子的一個基層\n392883\t416177\t勞工 基層員工他們的一個工作的一個狀態我們特別提出關心所以說經濟部也跟勞動部做了一個溝通那如果說這個部分也顯然就是我們要解決問題的方法之一所以我們希望說到底需要多少然後目前有多少的時候我們還需要勞動部這邊配合所以你給我一個完整的書面資料好不好好那接下來是我想請教一下郭部長就是我們\n418612\t428212\t鄧麗君我們行政院副院長是不是這個禮拜還要再到美國去談關稅的問題是的是嗎那我在想說因為我們看到之前\n430014\t447331\t就是7月8號賴總統公布出來的這個照片的時候在講對冷關稅裡面其實我發現其實經濟部跟農業部都不在這樣子的一個照片當中可是我們覺得對冷關稅的談判裡面經濟部跟農業部肯定是重點重中之重所以我比較好奇的狀態是說再比方說7月11號\n451795\t478474\t行政院副院長他們回來的時候當時是肯定還沒有談成一個條件那是不是因為我們經濟部跟農業部這邊提供出來的談判籌碼還不夠所以這一次的時候回來之後在做了這樣的溝通之後我們是不是還有準備新的談判籌碼要過去談這部分可不可以請部長做一個簡單回應報告委員我想因為我不是實際的這個談判小組內容我不是很清楚\n479415\t495338\t所以沒有辦法回答委員的詢問不過我們總是在談判上面美方要求我們對於出國管制對於我們邊境的防護有高度的期許所以當初我們編了費用的時候大家輿論在講說\n503960\t530679\t國防跟這個海巡的這個費用要拿掉什麼所以這個引起美方非常大的關注所以我想先請教一下針對這次因為8月1號也快到了但你剛剛提到說它可以再延那你覺得我們有沒有可能跟美國在8月1號之前把這部分把它給談下來然後稅率大概會落在什麼樣子的一個range因為大家都非常的擔心東亞這邊大概只剩下台灣還沒有談出來\n533867\t551638\t這個匯率會落到哪裡要這個去談我想這個不是我在這邊可以臆測的那我想跟委員報告我們大家都非常的努力希望能夠爭取到目標放在哪裡 稅率我們會非常努力我們希望能夠跟我們的競爭國談出來一個比我們的競爭國家更好的這個稅率\n552699\t581202\tOK 好 謝謝那我向這邊我想接下來問一下農業部長因為這個美國貿易代表3月曾經提交一個2025年對外貿易障礙評估報告特別點名台灣這邊包括了一個美豬美牛馬鈴薯然後稻米跟基改食品米酒的稅率這個問題然後他特別提到這個部分是不必要的貿易障礙那我想請教一下部長他裡面甚至也特別提到要希望說台灣這邊要取消\n582003\t592565\t學童營養午餐不得使用基改食物的禁令針對這些部分的時候我想請教一下部長我們這些部分有哪些部門會繼續堅持還是會有一些妥協\n593727\t612737\t第一個委員報告有關於基改食品競技校園這個部分是衛福部的主管的一個權責那就農業部來講其實我們關切的是國內的農業的生產那在這次關稅的一個談判過程中當然美方有美方的期待那我們也有我們要堅持的\n613197\t629893\t那我們的堅持就是一定要確保糧食安全確保我們的產業永續而且更重要的是要保障我們農民的權益所以在談判過程中我們還是會針對這三個原則去做有效的溝通希望能夠找到一個大家都雙贏的或互補的這樣的一個結果\n633576\t658202\t是 部長 我說台北貿易肯定是重要 關稅問題肯定是重要可是對於國內的健康問題肯定也非常重要那麼我們希望農業部這邊該監測的部門務必一定要堅持住 好不好這個我想那個包括行政院也特別提到就是我們一定會確保我們國人的一個健康這個是我想一個非常重要的一個前提OK 好 謝謝陳部長那我接下來想要問 因為賴總統請問一下那個次長\n663223\t675675\t交通部 陳次長因為賴總統預計八月份要出訪中南美那可能會過境紐約跟達拉斯那麼在這過程當中的時候其實大家就思考到一個狀態就是說是不是會在美國的時候賴總統會在美國的時候宣布對美國的一個波音公司的一個採購案\n685410\t701312\t這邊可不可以請次長做一個簡單回應是我想跟委員報告一下有關航空公司的這個採購案我想這是公司裡頭他會整體的考量那至於說總統出訪的時候會不會有相關的一個宣布我個人並不曉得\n702553\t731113\t因為交通部對於整個我們飛機的採購肯定其實是有一些影響力的啦那我知道說其實飛機採購當中其實在這一次很多國家的一個對聯台灣當中也發生了一定的一個影響力所以我們如果說要對於美國有一個航空器的一個採購的時候當然是一個台灣條件當中之一那我們希望說能夠幫台灣爭取到最好的一個條件能夠讓整個台灣的經濟整體其實是往好的方向去發展的\n731857\t737206\t那這部分就請我們經濟部、農業部跟我們交通部這邊都一起努力謝謝大家 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","txt":"谢谢主席我想请一下经济部长郭志辉还有我们台电的董事长曾文生然后农业部长陈俊济然后还有我们交通部政次陈彦博谢谢陈次长\n部長早首先我想先針對這一次就是主席這次安排了一個丹納斯颱風之後的一個後續專案報告那我想說對於這次丹納斯颱風重創南台灣的部分其實我們也都非常難過那尤其是針對台電這次其實確實也受到了一些損失那麼在這一次當中的時候我們也看到台電員工\n基層的員工在這一次在搶救後續相關問題的時候是非常非常的認真那當中也碰到了有出現了一個感電事故的問題那我想說尤其我們看到他說他的在IG上面留言說他三天沒睡幾個小時那針對這個部分的時候我想因為台電在事後說會馬上進行一個檢討的報告我想請教這檢討報告出來了沒有大概什麼時候可以出來\n那個跟委員報告那個對於我們這些輪班的工作台電會做一些討論那我們上個週上個禮拜六晚上九點才把所有的電力修復那今天是星期一的週末其實我知道這個電的問題喔我知道你們很努力在做那我今天想特別問的是\n基層勞工他們這個部分因為會講到說三天沒睡幾個小時的部分那是不是在我們制度上面對於他們超時工作的部分平常工作的部分其實是有一個不完善的一個制度我想針對這部分來跟董事長這邊就教\n所以說我們現在台電這邊我們會去了解就是說其實這一段時間以來我們有很多工班派出去去搶修我們看到很多畫面很多的民眾事實上感謝台電同仁修復但我們會遇到一個狀況一個案子在那個地方做我到了晚上10點我是要繼續把它做完還是跟所有的民眾說抱歉\n我們明天再來所以這個部分的時候我們就碰到了一個問題就是說如果會這樣子的一個超時工作然後三天沒睡幾個小時就顯然人力很缺嘛我覺得三天沒睡幾個小時這件事我們要這個是一個訊息調查之後 對所以我想說一定是人力有短缺的部分對不對一定非常的辛勞\n是當然我們對於台電的基層員工的時候的辛苦我們都看在眼裡而且我們也感同身受而且我們也非常的肯定那我只是要想說以整個經濟部跟整個台電公司來說我們要給他們一個怎麼樣的一個好的一個制度當然就是風災這件事情不是每天都會發生可是我們還是要有一個比較好的一個制度去因應它那我看到的一個情況就是說在整個經濟部有點糖水下面的一個重大的公安事故當中的時候\n台電的比重是最高的佔據一半以上我覺得這些事情你要去除以百萬小時就是說你的那個工量員工人數等等的母數要進來平均所以我想把今天這個問題的時候再往下把它給這個focus在比方說我想請教在我們\n112年之前因為我們現在看到台電經濟部這邊提供出來的速度只在113年3月以前那麼在這之前的時候我想請教一下台電的重大子在當中的時候發生感電事故的次數有幾次\n我可不可以回去查資料給你可以 我可以直接跟你講目前在這個113年3月之前總共有5次它不包含就是2月份有出現的一次資料這是監察院這邊統計出來的資料那在這次數當中的時候我發現承染商這邊的一個\n次數其實更多那我只是想針對這個部分因為基本上一定是人力有缺所以經濟部有跟勞動部要求開放外籍的人士來進來做一個配電外線的一個工作我想請教一下 董事長知道這個狀態嗎\n我跟委員報告因為國營事業需要考試所以不會有移工而包商的包商可以有移工所以說我們看到所有的一個感電事故當中的時候包商發生的情況多所以我想請教一下\n以目前因為今年開始的時候開放的這個部分包商可以去申請移工的部分我們大概需要多少的那個工人來補充這樣子的一個配線配電外線的一個部分大概需要多少的人力才足夠\n跟委員報告因為包商的部分是協助台電一起來做工程的施作那其實他跟工程的量體有關原來我們是在做例行的工作可是這次颱風之後我們可能會增加很多真的是要補強的\n是 所以我們就是希望說就是台電因為台灣每天都會有颱風啦每年季都會有颱風所以針對這樣的問題的時候我們希望能夠有一個更好的制度然後對於這樣子基層的台電員工的時候能夠有比較多的保障\n補充一個訊息可不可以這是其中一個部分我講台電本身台電本身我當董事長以後這三年台電增加了超過兩千名的員工成長率是8.7%\n那我想說這一段時間以來我們其實很清楚知道說我們需要努力的來增加那關鍵是經濟部非常非常的支持其實過去是一個管控人員的狀況好的 董事長這個部分你如果說要針對這個部分你可以給我後續的訊明資料因為我還有一個問題要問然後我是針對今天針對這樣子的一個基層\n勞工 基層員工他們的一個工作的一個狀態我們特別提出關心所以說經濟部也跟勞動部做了一個溝通那如果說這個部分也顯然就是我們要解決問題的方法之一所以我們希望說到底需要多少然後目前有多少的時候我們還需要勞動部這邊配合所以你給我一個完整的書面資料好不好好那接下來是我想請教一下郭部長就是我們\n鄧麗君我們行政院副院長是不是這個禮拜還要再到美國去談關稅的問題是的是嗎那我在想說因為我們看到之前\n就是7月8號賴總統公布出來的這個照片的時候在講對冷關稅裡面其實我發現其實經濟部跟農業部都不在這樣子的一個照片當中可是我們覺得對冷關稅的談判裡面經濟部跟農業部肯定是重點重中之重所以我比較好奇的狀態是說再比方說7月11號\n行政院副院長他們回來的時候當時是肯定還沒有談成一個條件那是不是因為我們經濟部跟農業部這邊提供出來的談判籌碼還不夠所以這一次的時候回來之後在做了這樣的溝通之後我們是不是還有準備新的談判籌碼要過去談這部分可不可以請部長做一個簡單回應報告委員我想因為我不是實際的這個談判小組內容我不是很清楚\n所以沒有辦法回答委員的詢問不過我們總是在談判上面美方要求我們對於出國管制對於我們邊境的防護有高度的期許所以當初我們編了費用的時候大家輿論在講說\n國防跟這個海巡的這個費用要拿掉什麼所以這個引起美方非常大的關注所以我想先請教一下針對這次因為8月1號也快到了但你剛剛提到說它可以再延那你覺得我們有沒有可能跟美國在8月1號之前把這部分把它給談下來然後稅率大概會落在什麼樣子的一個range因為大家都非常的擔心東亞這邊大概只剩下台灣還沒有談出來\n這個匯率會落到哪裡要這個去談我想這個不是我在這邊可以臆測的那我想跟委員報告我們大家都非常的努力希望能夠爭取到目標放在哪裡 稅率我們會非常努力我們希望能夠跟我們的競爭國談出來一個比我們的競爭國家更好的這個稅率\nOK 好 謝謝那我向這邊我想接下來問一下農業部長因為這個美國貿易代表3月曾經提交一個2025年對外貿易障礙評估報告特別點名台灣這邊包括了一個美豬美牛馬鈴薯然後稻米跟基改食品米酒的稅率這個問題然後他特別提到這個部分是不必要的貿易障礙那我想請教一下部長他裡面甚至也特別提到要希望說台灣這邊要取消\n學童營養午餐不得使用基改食物的禁令針對這些部分的時候我想請教一下部長我們這些部分有哪些部門會繼續堅持還是會有一些妥協\n第一個委員報告有關於基改食品競技校園這個部分是衛福部的主管的一個權責那就農業部來講其實我們關切的是國內的農業的生產那在這次關稅的一個談判過程中當然美方有美方的期待那我們也有我們要堅持的\n那我們的堅持就是一定要確保糧食安全確保我們的產業永續而且更重要的是要保障我們農民的權益所以在談判過程中我們還是會針對這三個原則去做有效的溝通希望能夠找到一個大家都雙贏的或互補的這樣的一個結果\n是 部長 我說台北貿易肯定是重要 關稅問題肯定是重要可是對於國內的健康問題肯定也非常重要那麼我們希望農業部這邊該監測的部門務必一定要堅持住 好不好這個我想那個包括行政院也特別提到就是我們一定會確保我們國人的一個健康這個是我想一個非常重要的一個前提OK 好 謝謝陳部長那我接下來想要問 因為賴總統請問一下那個次長\n交通部 陳次長因為賴總統預計八月份要出訪中南美那可能會過境紐約跟達拉斯那麼在這過程當中的時候其實大家就思考到一個狀態就是說是不是會在美國的時候賴總統會在美國的時候宣布對美國的一個波音公司的一個採購案\n這邊可不可以請次長做一個簡單回應是我想跟委員報告一下有關航空公司的這個採購案我想這是公司裡頭他會整體的考量那至於說總統出訪的時候會不會有相關的一個宣布我個人並不曉得\n因為交通部對於整個我們飛機的採購肯定其實是有一些影響力的啦那我知道說其實飛機採購當中其實在這一次很多國家的一個對聯台灣當中也發生了一定的一個影響力所以我們如果說要對於美國有一個航空器的一個採購的時候當然是一個台灣條件當中之一那我們希望說能夠幫台灣爭取到最好的一個條件能夠讓整個台灣的經濟整體其實是往好的方向去發展的\n那這部分就請我們經濟部、農業部跟我們交通部這邊都一起努力謝謝大家 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.075 --> 00:24.065\n谢谢主席我想请一下经济部长郭志辉还有我们台电的董事长曾文生然后农业部长陈俊济然后还有我们交通部政次陈彦博谢谢陈次长\n\n00:28.203 --> 00:50.974\n部長早首先我想先針對這一次就是主席這次安排了一個丹納斯颱風之後的一個後續專案報告那我想說對於這次丹納斯颱風重創南台灣的部分其實我們也都非常難過那尤其是針對台電這次其實確實也受到了一些損失那麼在這一次當中的時候我們也看到台電員工\n\n00:52.301 --> 01:11.192\n基層的員工在這一次在搶救後續相關問題的時候是非常非常的認真那當中也碰到了有出現了一個感電事故的問題那我想說尤其我們看到他說他的在IG上面留言說他三天沒睡幾個小時那針對這個部分的時候我想因為台電在事後說會馬上進行一個檢討的報告我想請教這檢討報告出來了沒有大概什麼時候可以出來\n\n01:24.141 --> 01:44.842\n那個跟委員報告那個對於我們這些輪班的工作台電會做一些討論那我們上個週上個禮拜六晚上九點才把所有的電力修復那今天是星期一的週末其實我知道這個電的問題喔我知道你們很努力在做那我今天想特別問的是\n\n01:46.303 --> 02:01.169\n基層勞工他們這個部分因為會講到說三天沒睡幾個小時的部分那是不是在我們制度上面對於他們超時工作的部分平常工作的部分其實是有一個不完善的一個制度我想針對這部分來跟董事長這邊就教\n\n02:02.071 --> 02:31.371\n所以說我們現在台電這邊我們會去了解就是說其實這一段時間以來我們有很多工班派出去去搶修我們看到很多畫面很多的民眾事實上感謝台電同仁修復但我們會遇到一個狀況一個案子在那個地方做我到了晚上10點我是要繼續把它做完還是跟所有的民眾說抱歉\n\n02:32.391 --> 02:53.623\n我們明天再來所以這個部分的時候我們就碰到了一個問題就是說如果會這樣子的一個超時工作然後三天沒睡幾個小時就顯然人力很缺嘛我覺得三天沒睡幾個小時這件事我們要這個是一個訊息調查之後對所以我想說一定是人力有短缺的部分對不對一定非常的辛勞\n\n02:54.443 --> 03:23.357\n是當然我們對於台電的基層員工的時候的辛苦我們都看在眼裡而且我們也感同身受而且我們也非常的肯定那我只是要想說以整個經濟部跟整個台電公司來說我們要給他們一個怎麼樣的一個好的一個制度當然就是風災這件事情不是每天都會發生可是我們還是要有一個比較好的一個制度去因應它那我看到的一個情況就是說在整個經濟部有點糖水下面的一個重大的公安事故當中的時候\n\n03:23.717 --> 03:41.026\n台電的比重是最高的佔據一半以上我覺得這些事情你要去除以百萬小時就是說你的那個工量員工人數等等的母數要進來平均所以我想把今天這個問題的時候再往下把它給這個focus在比方說我想請教在我們\n\n03:45.088 --> 03:57.576\n112年之前因為我們現在看到台電經濟部這邊提供出來的速度只在113年3月以前那麼在這之前的時候我想請教一下台電的重大子在當中的時候發生感電事故的次數有幾次\n\n03:59.343 --> 04:17.061\n我可不可以回去查資料給你可以我可以直接跟你講目前在這個113年3月之前總共有5次它不包含就是2月份有出現的一次資料這是監察院這邊統計出來的資料那在這次數當中的時候我發現承染商這邊的一個\n\n04:18.622 --> 04:37.748\n次數其實更多那我只是想針對這個部分因為基本上一定是人力有缺所以經濟部有跟勞動部要求開放外籍的人士來進來做一個配電外線的一個工作我想請教一下董事長知道這個狀態嗎\n\n04:39.108 --> 04:50.419\n我跟委員報告因為國營事業需要考試所以不會有移工而包商的包商可以有移工所以說我們看到所有的一個感電事故當中的時候包商發生的情況多所以我想請教一下\n\n04:57.546 --> 05:13.699\n以目前因為今年開始的時候開放的這個部分包商可以去申請移工的部分我們大概需要多少的那個工人來補充這樣子的一個配線配電外線的一個部分大概需要多少的人力才足夠\n\n05:14.440 --> 05:30.985\n跟委員報告因為包商的部分是協助台電一起來做工程的施作那其實他跟工程的量體有關原來我們是在做例行的工作可是這次颱風之後我們可能會增加很多真的是要補強的\n\n05:32.665 --> 05:48.174\n是所以我們就是希望說就是台電因為台灣每天都會有颱風啦每年季都會有颱風所以針對這樣的問題的時候我們希望能夠有一個更好的制度然後對於這樣子基層的台電員工的時候能夠有比較多的保障\n\n05:49.415 --> 06:06.137\n補充一個訊息可不可以這是其中一個部分我講台電本身台電本身我當董事長以後這三年台電增加了超過兩千名的員工成長率是8.7%\n\n06:08.171 --> 06:25.705\n那我想說這一段時間以來我們其實很清楚知道說我們需要努力的來增加那關鍵是經濟部非常非常的支持其實過去是一個管控人員的狀況好的董事長這個部分你如果說要針對這個部分你可以給我後續的訊明資料因為我還有一個問題要問然後我是針對今天針對這樣子的一個基層\n\n06:32.883 --> 06:56.177\n勞工基層員工他們的一個工作的一個狀態我們特別提出關心所以說經濟部也跟勞動部做了一個溝通那如果說這個部分也顯然就是我們要解決問題的方法之一所以我們希望說到底需要多少然後目前有多少的時候我們還需要勞動部這邊配合所以你給我一個完整的書面資料好不好好那接下來是我想請教一下郭部長就是我們\n\n06:58.612 --> 07:08.212\n鄧麗君我們行政院副院長是不是這個禮拜還要再到美國去談關稅的問題是的是嗎那我在想說因為我們看到之前\n\n07:10.014 --> 07:27.331\n就是7月8號賴總統公布出來的這個照片的時候在講對冷關稅裡面其實我發現其實經濟部跟農業部都不在這樣子的一個照片當中可是我們覺得對冷關稅的談判裡面經濟部跟農業部肯定是重點重中之重所以我比較好奇的狀態是說再比方說7月11號\n\n07:31.795 --> 07:58.474\n行政院副院長他們回來的時候當時是肯定還沒有談成一個條件那是不是因為我們經濟部跟農業部這邊提供出來的談判籌碼還不夠所以這一次的時候回來之後在做了這樣的溝通之後我們是不是還有準備新的談判籌碼要過去談這部分可不可以請部長做一個簡單回應報告委員我想因為我不是實際的這個談判小組內容我不是很清楚\n\n07:59.415 --> 08:15.338\n所以沒有辦法回答委員的詢問不過我們總是在談判上面美方要求我們對於出國管制對於我們邊境的防護有高度的期許所以當初我們編了費用的時候大家輿論在講說\n\n08:23.960 --> 08:50.679\n國防跟這個海巡的這個費用要拿掉什麼所以這個引起美方非常大的關注所以我想先請教一下針對這次因為8月1號也快到了但你剛剛提到說它可以再延那你覺得我們有沒有可能跟美國在8月1號之前把這部分把它給談下來然後稅率大概會落在什麼樣子的一個range因為大家都非常的擔心東亞這邊大概只剩下台灣還沒有談出來\n\n08:53.867 --> 09:11.638\n這個匯率會落到哪裡要這個去談我想這個不是我在這邊可以臆測的那我想跟委員報告我們大家都非常的努力希望能夠爭取到目標放在哪裡稅率我們會非常努力我們希望能夠跟我們的競爭國談出來一個比我們的競爭國家更好的這個稅率\n\n09:12.699 --> 09:41.202\nOK好謝謝那我向這邊我想接下來問一下農業部長因為這個美國貿易代表3月曾經提交一個2025年對外貿易障礙評估報告特別點名台灣這邊包括了一個美豬美牛馬鈴薯然後稻米跟基改食品米酒的稅率這個問題然後他特別提到這個部分是不必要的貿易障礙那我想請教一下部長他裡面甚至也特別提到要希望說台灣這邊要取消\n\n09:42.003 --> 09:52.565\n學童營養午餐不得使用基改食物的禁令針對這些部分的時候我想請教一下部長我們這些部分有哪些部門會繼續堅持還是會有一些妥協\n\n09:53.727 --> 10:12.737\n第一個委員報告有關於基改食品競技校園這個部分是衛福部的主管的一個權責那就農業部來講其實我們關切的是國內的農業的生產那在這次關稅的一個談判過程中當然美方有美方的期待那我們也有我們要堅持的\n\n10:13.197 --> 10:29.893\n那我們的堅持就是一定要確保糧食安全確保我們的產業永續而且更重要的是要保障我們農民的權益所以在談判過程中我們還是會針對這三個原則去做有效的溝通希望能夠找到一個大家都雙贏的或互補的這樣的一個結果\n\n10:33.576 --> 10:58.202\n是部長我說台北貿易肯定是重要關稅問題肯定是重要可是對於國內的健康問題肯定也非常重要那麼我們希望農業部這邊該監測的部門務必一定要堅持住好不好這個我想那個包括行政院也特別提到就是我們一定會確保我們國人的一個健康這個是我想一個非常重要的一個前提OK好謝謝陳部長那我接下來想要問因為賴總統請問一下那個次長\n\n11:03.223 --> 11:15.675\n交通部陳次長因為賴總統預計八月份要出訪中南美那可能會過境紐約跟達拉斯那麼在這過程當中的時候其實大家就思考到一個狀態就是說是不是會在美國的時候賴總統會在美國的時候宣布對美國的一個波音公司的一個採購案\n\n11:25.410 --> 11:41.312\n這邊可不可以請次長做一個簡單回應是我想跟委員報告一下有關航空公司的這個採購案我想這是公司裡頭他會整體的考量那至於說總統出訪的時候會不會有相關的一個宣布我個人並不曉得\n\n11:42.553 --> 12:11.113\n因為交通部對於整個我們飛機的採購肯定其實是有一些影響力的啦那我知道說其實飛機採購當中其實在這一次很多國家的一個對聯台灣當中也發生了一定的一個影響力所以我們如果說要對於美國有一個航空器的一個採購的時候當然是一個台灣條件當中之一那我們希望說能夠幫台灣爭取到最好的一個條件能夠讓整個台灣的經濟整體其實是往好的方向去發展的\n\n12:11.857 --> 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