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--> 00:02:10,878\n民眾到目前為止的痛苦我相信大家都感同身受所以我們繼續來討論也就是我希望大家要看到聽到人民的心聲我認為在這一次的災損淹水以及停電連外暴露電訊中斷等這些事件我認為政府在橫向的聯繫當中並不完美並不完整\n\n6\n00:02:13,260 --> 00:02:17,845\n所以在這樣的情況之下我還有媒體認為在整個災區的資訊它是混亂的資源欠缺一個統籌所以在地區方面斷電斷訊還拖很久\n\n7\n00:02:28,516 --> 00:02:43,035\n有人甚至爬到屋頂上面要維修屋頂而上命我們真的很難過更有養護中心的長輩一度陷入困境這是大家非常緊張一旦\n\n8\n00:02:45,157 --> 00:02:54,860\n我們碰到國家的重大災難的時候大家不免苛責是應該要團結一致橫向聯繫這是本席從政以來我一再一再的堅持所以我們看到政府告訴我們要加強韌性要人民來配合那但是在這一次的風態當中整個中央政府我認為反應是有遲緩的我們看到總統下鄉去講話\n\n9\n00:03:14,486 --> 00:03:34,575\n但是我沒有看到一個整合救災的功能我認為只要國家在重大災害的時候沒有辦法讓我們的災民安心沒有辦法去保護人民甚至沒有辦法迅速的重建在這樣的情況之下連報導我看到報導台南人都說政府\n\n10\n00:03:40,138 --> 00:03:47,445\n這讓人非常非常的憂心所以我要跟您討論的是我們經濟部我們這個主管是電力在這一次的電力損失光光電線桿倒掉了三千多隻數量之大讓我們就陳如剛才部長所說的從來沒有想到這麼大\n\n11\n00:04:04,882 --> 00:04:08,605\n那麼電線斷掉的也將近要將近7000條這樣重大的一個挑戰我們要怎麼樣去應對受災的災戶有100萬戶以上那在這樣情況之下因為本席來自台中我們當時在20幾年前我們經歷過了921\n\n12\n00:04:26,762 --> 00:04:40,068\n這一些的災難我一看我都要掉淚了我都要掉淚了所以我希望的大家應該團結一致我們來檢討怎麼樣可以讓災民更加的迅速讓災民可以安心這是我們要的這是我們要的所以我在這邊也要特別的強調台電的員工非常非常的辛苦非常的辛苦那麼我們要怎麼樣去協助他們也就是\n\n13\n00:04:56,215 --> 00:05:01,341\n我們針對於在災前的預估能力跟災後的能力配比部長我們台電員工也有一個人要負責好幾區他怎麼做得來這是政府要協助我們台電的員工\n\n14\n00:05:14,276 --> 00:05:26,582\n甚至外圍的人員都全力出動欸都全力出動但是在整個橫向的一個整理我們究竟要怎麼樣去精進所以本席要請教在這邊應變的能量\n\n15\n00:05:31,348 --> 00:05:55,290\n我們是否足夠我們是不是還有更精進的方案請教部長是報告委員謝謝你讓我們這個台電的辛苦能夠讓大家都了解大家都很清楚我們都很感恩你要怎麼樣去協助這一次的災難我想你回想過去你的經驗921大地震的時候你知道你的台中有多久才復電嗎\n\n16\n00:05:56,926 --> 00:06:04,731\n市長本席不同意你如此的說法你不是說去做比較你這麼回答是撕裂我們的傷口本席絕對不同意本席是請教我們部件的能力夠不夠我們可以怎麼樣精進但是你剛才在講我這一次陪總統一共跑了12個災區\n\n17\n00:06:23,072 --> 00:06:43,464\n我們都非常的清楚所有的部會統統動起來在做但是你在看媒體的報導非常的偏頗那你要告訴媒體啊你一個政府你要讓身體的情況去顯現啊剛才你是在引述媒體的報導嘛所以我現在在跟你報告那你要給媒體請媒體給你澄清啊我現在報告委員我們現在談本是要跟你討論的我來自\n\n18\n00:06:51,203 --> 00:06:53,385\n經歷過921我很難過我看到這樣重大災情我們應該要團結這是我說的我們必須要怎麼樣可以進去我說台電的人工一個人要副長好幾區你到底你的復健能力夠不夠我們要怎麼樣協助他你怎麼可以來做一個比較什麼什麼時候復健我告訴你\n\n19\n00:07:13,544 --> 00:07:22,151\n我只是告訴你我們有在努力我們非常的努力才有今天可以在十天內完全復電報告委員我們是非要努力所以本席請教我們理性討論部長我們理性討論部長我們如北部誰說你怎麼樣本席請問你的你有怎樣回答\n\n20\n00:07:40,485 --> 00:07:41,446\n我們要怎麼樣協助台電你的部件能力夠不夠我請問夠不夠夠不夠我當然會生氣你把一個災難跟一個災難去對比\n\n21\n00:07:57,365 --> 00:08:11,177\n不是我只是引述你剛才所講的話來做對比如果這件事情勾起你這個不好的感覺我可以跟你道歉但是我回答你的問題我們有辦法我們下一次如果再做到一樣的事情我們當然可以把這件事情做得更好\n\n22\n00:08:24,448 --> 00:08:42,424\n我非常禮貌的請問你我們是不是有精進方案我們當然有精進我在跟你報告我們有沒有精進的方案有需不需要精進我們當然有精進的方案需要不需要精進報告委員我在第五天就指示所有的經濟部的同仁\n\n23\n00:08:44,056 --> 00:09:12,905\n你應該在災區的人通通可以直接請假去幫助這個復健也就是說光靠原來的這個處理因為台電要復健所以你們這麼回答也就是說我們碰到重大的災難因為台電的復健是不足的我們要精進嘛對不對所以我們考慮的非常的多我們在不斷地檢討不斷地提出不斷地精進的處理方法等一下就具體建議\n\n24\n00:09:14,125 --> 00:09:28,212\n因為我們不希望碰到重大災難但是我們碰到了碰到了就是陳如你剛才說的是給我們一個新的學習這個新的學習我剛剛坐在那邊聽到你回答的新的學習我對你滿心的信心啊\n\n25\n00:09:29,164 --> 00:09:42,209\n所以我們應該碰到重大的災難我們要怎麼樣讓國人更加的安心在整個流程SOP流程我們要怎麼做民眾碰到的問題我沒有電我去找誰我們的里長我要去找誰我們協助的人員我要在當地有怎麼樣的一個聯繫這些都是環環相扣所以我號稱我也建議政府應該要有一正式的聯繫窗口\n\n26\n00:09:56,094 --> 00:10:08,869\n讓民眾非常的清楚讓他們在困難當中風暴當中不要再害怕這是政府最基本的責任嘛對不對報告委員您剛才所說的我們都在做\n\n27\n00:10:10,228 --> 00:10:39,083\n非常好我們都有相同謝謝你一句非常好針對於中央部會資訊的整合跟這一次的樣態本身認為有津津的空間我具體建議民眾是我們的死命啦百姓是我們的死命啦一個國家沒有人民就沒有了啦所以我非常的希望誠意建議我們應該中央政府要友誼戰士的聯繫窗口各部會橫向的聯繫要好好的聯想\n\n28\n00:10:40,343 --> 00:10:50,152\n這是我衷心非常感同身受的一個說法我希望你們可以接受而且可以去精進那接下來本席要再跟你討論關稅的問題\n\n29\n00:10:58,675 --> 00:11:21,596\n關稅談判未定讓人民也害怕因為我相信你非常的努力我們碰到了國際級剛剛是碰到了這個天災現在我們碰到了國際級的一個關稅議題本席跟你討論過了很多次你來自於產業界應該更加的了解\n\n30\n00:11:23,178 --> 00:11:35,990\n產業界的一個恐慌所以本席要告訴你現在我們全國的產業跟民生他非常非常關心的就是暫緩期這個暫緩期快要到了8月1號以前\n\n31\n00:11:39,073 --> 00:11:55,761\n我們談判小組談判班都非常努力在做我說了國家有事我們全國應該要全體團結一致這是我一再堅持的也一再的論述所以本席要請教8月1號之前我們會有結果嗎我們現在仍然在談判中\n\n32\n00:12:01,158 --> 00:12:16,443\n所以報告委員我們希望在8月1號以前能夠把這個結果談出來不過美國因為他們是要跟180個國家來談他們有一些這個他們自己也認為\n\n33\n00:12:18,123 --> 00:12:36,048\n這個8月1號如果沒有辦法談完了他會持續再往後移但是我們就在爭取在8月1號之前就可以把一個好的結果談出來所以我們這整個的談判的團隊就像這個委員您所講的我們都\n\n34\n00:12:37,683 --> 00:12:51,031\n給他們高度的祝福他們非常的努力也掌握非常多的情勢我們希望能夠談出一個好的結果但是我如果解讀請部長聽聽看也就是說因為他的暫緩期到7月底那大家產業界會緊張所以照如果剛才的說法就是說8月1號以前我們希望可以有結果但是不一定我可以這麼解讀嗎\n\n35\n00:13:05,373 --> 00:13:32,702\n我們現在這個以目前來講就是說我們就是盡全力在8月1號之前把它談妥希望把它談妥但是還是未定未定是因為是由美國決定的對對對所以我們還是希望加油因為之所以本席一定要請教部長這個議題產業界都很緊張因為產業界也會連貫到我們整個民生所以在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教部長\n\n36\n00:13:33,402 --> 00:13:36,204\n因為相關的關稅風暴對於我們出口導向的我們會帶來很大的重擊我想你也非常的憂心也非常努力但是產業界一邊現在他是先喊停來鼓聲但是他們也希望能夠有一個方向但最重要的我們還有一個匯率問題\n\n37\n00:13:53,815 --> 00:13:57,638\n所以雙會讓我們很緊張很緊張但是政府呢到目前為止我只看到我們提出了930億來協助來補助但到這一段時間我們很久沒有聽到部長您告訴我們產業界到底我們現在的走向是如何\n\n38\n00:14:11,647 --> 00:14:11,987\n所以連產業界預計的暫緩期\n\n39\n00:14:41,587 --> 00:14:59,460\n是謝謝委員的這個垂訊那在這個匯率的部分我們非常清楚所以我們在上個禮拜我們這個經濟部有開一個這個記者會那麼也跟大家說明我們中小企業署\n\n40\n00:15:00,612 --> 00:15:08,378\n我們會幫助這些企業提出因應這個會計的做法因應的方案可以說的讓我們的產業界可以了解因為本席舉例日本的做法他隨時隨時告訴他的產業告訴他的人民我們希望預計可以怎麼做讓人民安心讓產業安心\n\n41\n00:15:25,512 --> 00:15:48,240\n這個怎麼樣子去做這個遠區外匯怎麼樣子做這個選擇權但是因為他們是規模比較小所以他們也不太會去做這個財務所以要政府協助嘛所以報告委員我們現在都跟銀行還在談希望他們能夠提出來一個package就是一個這個怎麼講套餐式的商品然後讓\n\n42\n00:15:49,900 --> 00:15:53,422\n企業他今天可以安心的去報價然後他買到穩定的這個匯率所以我們都在幫助他們讓他們不會有太大的這個不要認為是被突襲有的方向就跟社會大眾說明\n\n43\n00:16:08,949 --> 00:16:13,850\n八大工股航庫啊都會來協助中小企業來避險好加油那部長本席要在這邊請教接下來談判當中您之前告訴我們說會分年兩千億的美金的擴大對美採購是不是也納入這一次我們的談判的內容之一跟另外一個阿拉斯加我們買能源幾乎是佔他們的三成這兩項是不是列入在\n\n44\n00:16:37,734 --> 00:17:03,948\n我們這一次談判的範圍之內呢我們現在是不是來這個這個遊園因為這個阿拉斯加的這個天然氣是一個非常好的一個產品但是我們也是綜合考量綜合考量那美國他們會根據我們的對美國的投資然後對美國讓美國再度偉大我想他們美國我們在這個\n\n45\n00:17:05,249 --> 00:17:28,081\n這一段過程裡面那看美國跟其他的國家談判跟我們的談判美國似乎對如何讓美國再度偉大這個命題呢他們是非常的這個關注然後你美國再度偉大你要投資的很多要投資的很多我們必須要衡量自己的這個有沒有這些有沒有這種投資的必要\n\n46\n00:17:28,621 --> 00:17:46,776\n第一個要考慮有沒有必要性嘛第二個我投資這個是不是長遠的這個做法或者是短期的交易這一個部分我相信我們的談判小組都非常的清楚好所以換句話說這兩項也納入在我們談判小組的考量之因子之一\n\n47\n00:17:47,296 --> 00:17:58,982\n是嗎我們有建議啦那是不是他們考量這一碗因為最後本席要告訴您也就是大家務必要團結對外這個談判非常的重要因為我們還有一個貿易擴張法美國透過貿易擴張法的232條其中我們八成\n\n48\n00:18:07,486 --> 00:18:19,077\n出口的都會在這裡面他們可以挑特定的產品他們也可以例外的來作為他們的關稅的一個爬線筒所以在這種情況之下本席要請教IC產品的部分非常的重要請教我們都聽到部長你告訴我們目前的談判是順利的是有建設性的一個進展\n\n49\n00:18:30,527 --> 00:18:31,588\n也就是說在232的這個條款裡頭我們是不是也都非常嚴肅的在看待這些項目也就包括了我們的愛奇產品包括了半導體顯示器是不是還是一樣可以達到我們說的關稅豁免權\n\n50\n00:18:50,081 --> 00:19:05,276\n請做說明報告委員我們現在因為台灣我們在這個232這個包含了半導體供應鏈這些產品其實對美國來講是非常非常重要那美方也了解大概美方他們統計大概70%他都不支持他們這個他們自己啦這就是對美國來說\n\n51\n00:19:12,703 --> 00:19:36,428\n但是還有30%啊所以我們還是要保護我們自己啊朝這個方向啊要繼續加油啊我們對他們的幫助有多大我們跟美國聯合起來台美合作我相信對我們整個在這個市場上面不管在行銷或者在製造上面都非常具有優勢這一點我們在努力中\n\n52\n00:19:37,368 --> 00:20:01,156\n謝謝部長的努力我想最後一個結論也就是我希望大家面臨到這麼重大的國際級我們務必一定要讓我們的產業跟我們的民眾他有準備的機會他能夠了解方向再適度剛剛我說的你們可以說的範圍當然我也了解在談判的過程當中有很多不能說但是如果你們研判可以說因為\n\n53\n00:20:02,697 --> 00:20:21,965\n我們的暫緩期要到了讓我們的產業跟民生他們可以適度可以知道了解下一步他到底要怎麼避險下一步他到底要怎麼做才不會讓人民認為他永遠是在被突襲的我想這是我們政府必須要做的事項是謝謝委員知道好謝謝中午不休息那現在\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3069\t3309\t郭文貴議員\n21089\t21670\t我們努力的程度就是100分\n46897\t74305\t努力的程度100分就民眾的感受跟目前復健的情況呢我們到現在所有的電都已經復電了所有水第二天我們就水就倒了那因為這個災情超過這個我們想像的過去的經驗這120年來第一次有這麼大從南到北的這個颱風進到嘉南平原然後這整個吹過去17級風造成的\n76906\t106286\t好這些原因大家都知道但是我們是結果論看民眾大家的心聲我聽到剛剛參議委員還在說那些屋頂政府應該要有事權統一一站式的聯繫窗口這個不是只有你經濟部因為經濟部你所管的是電力的部分那其他的部分政府應該要橫向的聯繫因為我們看到政府就只有一個\n107006\t130878\t民眾到目前為止的痛苦我相信大家都感同身受所以我們繼續來討論也就是我希望大家要看到聽到人民的心聲我認為在這一次的災損 淹水以及停電 連外暴露 電訊中斷等這些事件我認為政府在橫向的聯繫當中並不完美並不完整\n133260\t137845\t所以在這樣的情況之下我還有媒體認為在整個災區的資訊它是混亂的資源欠缺一個統籌所以在地區方面斷電斷訊還拖很久\n148516\t163035\t有人甚至爬到屋頂上面要維修屋頂而上命我們真的很難過更有養護中心的長輩一度陷入困境這是大家非常緊張一旦\n165157\t174860\t我們碰到國家的重大災難的時候大家不免苛責是應該要團結一致橫向聯繫這是本席從政以來我一再一再的堅持所以我們看到政府告訴我們要加強韌性要人民來配合那但是在這一次的風態當中整個中央政府我認為反應是有遲緩的我們看到總統下鄉去講話\n194486\t214575\t但是我沒有看到一個整合救災的功能我認為只要國家在重大災害的時候沒有辦法讓我們的災民安心沒有辦法去保護人民甚至沒有辦法迅速的重建在這樣的情況之下連報導我看到報導台南人都說政府\n220138\t227445\t這讓人非常非常的憂心所以我要跟您討論的是我們經濟部我們這個主管是電力在這一次的電力損失光光電線桿倒掉了三千多隻數量之大讓我們就陳如剛才部長所說的從來沒有想到這麼大\n244882\t248605\t那麼電線斷掉的也將近要將近7000條這樣重大的一個挑戰我們要怎麼樣去應對受災的災戶有100萬戶以上那在這樣情況之下因為本席來自台中我們當時在20幾年前我們經歷過了921\n266762\t280068\t這一些的災難我一看我都要掉淚了我都要掉淚了所以我希望的大家應該團結一致我們來檢討怎麼樣可以讓災民更加的迅速讓災民可以安心這是我們要的這是我們要的所以我在這邊也要特別的強調台電的員工非常非常的辛苦非常的辛苦那麼我們要怎麼樣去協助他們也就是\n296215\t301341\t我們針對於在災前的預估能力跟災後的能力配比部長 我們台電員工也有一個人要負責好幾區他怎麼做得來這是政府要協助我們台電的員工\n314276\t326582\t甚至外圍的人員都全力出動欸都全力出動但是在整個橫向的一個整理我們究竟要怎麼樣去精進所以本席要請教在這邊應變的能量\n331348\t355290\t我們是否足夠我們是不是還有更精進的方案請教部長是 報告委員謝謝你讓我們這個台電的辛苦能夠讓大家都了解大家都很清楚我們都很感恩你要怎麼樣去協助這一次的災難我想你回想過去你的經驗921大地震的時候你知道你的台中有多久才復電嗎\n356926\t364731\t市長本席不同意你如此的說法你不是說去做比較你這麼回答是撕裂我們的傷口本席絕對不同意本席是請教我們部件的能力夠不夠我們可以怎麼樣精進但是你剛才在講我這一次陪總統一共跑了12個災區\n383072\t403464\t我們都非常的清楚所有的部會統統動起來在做但是你在看媒體的報導非常的偏頗那你要告訴媒體啊你一個政府你要讓身體的情況去顯現啊剛才你是在引述媒體的報導嘛所以我現在在跟你報告那你要給媒體請媒體給你澄清啊我現在報告委員我們現在談本是要跟你討論的我來自\n411203\t413385\t經歷過921我很難過我看到這樣重大災情我們應該要團結這是我說的我們必須要怎麼樣可以進去我說台電的人工一個人要副長好幾區你到底你的復健能力夠不夠我們要怎麼樣協助他你怎麼可以來做一個比較什麼什麼時候復健我告訴你\n433544\t442151\t我只是告訴你 我們有在努力我們非常的努力才有今天可以在十天內完全復電報告委員我們是非要努力所以本席請教我們理性討論 部長我們理性討論 部長我們如北部誰說你怎麼樣本席請問你的 你有怎樣回答\n460485\t461446\t我們要怎麼樣協助台電 你的部件能力夠不夠 我請問夠不夠夠不夠我當然會生氣 你把一個災難跟一個災難去對比\n477365\t491177\t不是 我只是引述你剛才所講的話來做對比如果這件事情勾起你這個不好的感覺我可以跟你道歉但是我回答你的問題我們有辦法我們下一次如果再做到一樣的事情我們當然可以把這件事情做得更好\n504448\t522424\t我非常禮貌的請問你 我們是不是有精進方案我們當然有精進 我在跟你報告我們有沒有精進的方案 有需不需要精進我們當然有精進的方案 需要不需要精進報告委員 我在第五天就指示所有的經濟部的同仁\n524056\t552905\t你應該在災區的人通通可以直接請假去幫助這個復健也就是說光靠原來的這個處理因為台電要復健所以你們這麼回答也就是說我們碰到重大的災難因為台電的復健是不足的我們要精進嘛 對不對所以我們考慮的非常的多我們在不斷地檢討不斷地提出不斷地精進的處理方法等一下就具體建議\n554125\t568212\t因為我們不希望碰到重大災難但是我們碰到了碰到了就是陳如你剛才說的是給我們一個新的學習這個新的學習我剛剛坐在那邊聽到你回答的新的學習我對你滿心的信心啊\n569164\t582209\t所以我們應該碰到重大的災難我們要怎麼樣讓國人更加的安心在整個流程SOP流程我們要怎麼做民眾碰到的問題我沒有電我去找誰我們的里長我要去找誰我們協助的人員我要在當地有怎麼樣的一個聯繫這些都是環環相扣所以我號稱我也建議政府應該要有一正式的聯繫窗口\n596094\t608869\t讓民眾非常的清楚讓他們在困難當中風暴當中不要再害怕這是政府最基本的責任嘛對不對報告委員您剛才所說的我們都在做\n610228\t639083\t非常好我們都有相同謝謝你一句非常好針對於中央部會資訊的整合跟這一次的樣態本身認為有津津的空間我具體建議民眾是我們的死命啦百姓是我們的死命啦一個國家沒有人民就沒有了啦所以我非常的希望誠意建議我們應該中央政府要友誼戰士的聯繫窗口各部會橫向的聯繫要好好的聯想\n640343\t650152\t這是我衷心非常感同身受的一個說法我希望你們可以接受而且可以去精進那接下來本席要再跟你討論關稅的問題\n658675\t681596\t關稅談判未定讓人民也害怕因為我相信你非常的努力我們碰到了國際級剛剛是碰到了這個天災現在我們碰到了國際級的一個關稅議題本席跟你討論過了很多次你來自於產業界應該更加的了解\n683178\t695990\t產業界的一個恐慌所以本席要告訴你現在我們全國的產業跟民生他非常非常關心的就是暫緩期這個暫緩期快要到了8月1號以前\n699073\t715761\t我們談判小組 談判班都非常努力在做我說了國家有事我們全國應該要全體團結一致這是我一再堅持的也一再的論述所以本席要請教8月1號之前我們會有結果嗎我們現在仍然在談判中\n721158\t736443\t所以報告委員我們希望在8月1號以前能夠把這個結果談出來不過美國因為他們是要跟180個國家來談他們有一些這個他們自己也認為\n738123\t756048\t這個8月1號如果沒有辦法談完了他會持續再往後移但是我們就在爭取在8月1號之前就可以把一個好的結果談出來所以我們這整個的談判的團隊就像這個委員您所講的我們都\n757683\t771031\t給他們高度的祝福他們非常的努力也掌握非常多的情勢我們希望能夠談出一個好的結果但是我如果解讀請部長聽聽看也就是說因為他的暫緩期到7月底那大家產業界會緊張所以照如果剛才的說法就是說8月1號以前我們希望可以有結果但是不一定我可以這麼解讀嗎\n785373\t812702\t我們現在這個以目前來講就是說我們就是盡全力在8月1號之前把它談妥希望把它談妥但是還是未定未定是因為是由美國決定的對對對所以我們還是希望加油因為之所以本席一定要請教部長這個議題產業界都很緊張因為產業界也會連貫到我們整個民生所以在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教部長\n813402\t816204\t因為相關的關稅風暴對於我們出口導向的我們會帶來很大的重擊我想你也非常的憂心也非常努力但是產業界一邊現在他是先喊停來鼓聲但是他們也希望能夠有一個方向但最重要的我們還有一個匯率問題\n833815\t837638\t所以雙會讓我們很緊張很緊張但是政府呢到目前為止我只看到我們提出了930億來協助來補助但到這一段時間我們很久沒有聽到部長您告訴我們產業界到底我們現在的走向是如何\n851647\t851987\t所以連產業界預計的暫緩期\n881587\t899460\t是謝謝委員的這個垂訊那在這個匯率的部分我們非常清楚所以我們在上個禮拜我們這個經濟部有開一個這個記者會那麼也跟大家說明我們中小企業署\n900612\t908378\t我們會幫助這些企業提出因應這個會計的做法因應的方案可以說的讓我們的產業界可以了解因為本席舉例日本的做法他隨時隨時告訴他的產業告訴他的人民我們希望預計可以怎麼做讓人民安心讓產業安心\n925512\t948240\t這個怎麼樣子去做這個遠區外匯怎麼樣子做這個選擇權但是因為他們是規模比較小所以他們也不太會去做這個財務所以要政府協助嘛所以報告委員我們現在都跟銀行還在談希望他們能夠提出來一個package就是一個這個怎麼講套餐式的商品然後讓\n949900\t953422\t企業他今天可以安心的去報價然後他買到穩定的這個匯率所以我們都在幫助他們讓他們不會有太大的這個不要認為是被突襲有的方向就跟社會大眾說明\n968949\t973850\t八大工股 航庫啊都會來協助中小企業來避險好 加油那部長 本席要在這邊請教接下來談判當中您之前告訴我們說會分年兩千億的美金的擴大對美採購是不是也納入這一次我們的談判的內容之一跟另外一個阿拉斯加我們買能源幾乎是佔他們的三成這兩項是不是列入在\n997734\t1023948\t我們這一次談判的範圍之內呢我們現在是不是來這個這個遊園因為這個阿拉斯加的這個天然氣是一個非常好的一個產品但是我們也是綜合考量綜合考量那美國他們會根據我們的對美國的投資然後對美國讓美國再度偉大我想他們美國我們在這個\n1025249\t1048081\t這一段過程裡面那看美國跟其他的國家談判跟我們的談判美國似乎對如何讓美國再度偉大這個命題呢他們是非常的這個關注然後你美國再度偉大你要投資的很多要投資的很多我們必須要衡量自己的這個有沒有這些有沒有這種投資的必要\n1048621\t1066776\t第一個要考慮有沒有必要性嘛第二個我投資這個是不是長遠的這個做法或者是短期的交易這一個部分我相信我們的談判小組都非常的清楚好 所以換句話說這兩項也納入在我們談判小組的考量之因子之一\n1067296\t1078982\t是嗎我們有建議啦那是不是他們考量這一碗因為最後本席要告訴您也就是大家務必要團結對外這個談判非常的重要因為我們還有一個貿易擴張法美國透過貿易擴張法的232條其中我們八成\n1087486\t1099077\t出口的都會在這裡面他們可以挑特定的產品他們也可以例外的來作為他們的關稅的一個爬線筒所以在這種情況之下 本席要請教IC產品的部分非常的重要請教我們都聽到部長你告訴我們目前的談判是順利的是有建設性的一個進展\n1110527\t1111588\t也就是說在232的這個條款裡頭我們是不是也都非常嚴肅的在看待這些項目也就包括了我們的愛奇產品包括了半導體顯示器是不是還是一樣可以達到我們說的關稅豁免權\n1130081\t1145276\t請做說明報告委員我們現在因為台灣我們在這個232這個包含了半導體供應鏈這些產品其實對美國來講是非常非常重要那美方也了解大概美方他們統計大概70%他都不支持他們這個他們自己啦這就是對美國來說\n1152703\t1176428\t但是還有30%啊 所以我們還是要保護我們自己啊朝這個方向啊要繼續加油啊我們對他們的幫助有多大我們跟美國聯合起來台美合作我相信對我們整個在這個市場上面不管在行銷或者在製造上面都非常具有優勢這一點我們在努力中\n1177368\t1201156\t謝謝部長的努力我想最後一個結論也就是我希望大家面臨到這麼重大的國際級我們務必一定要讓我們的產業跟我們的民眾他有準備的機會他能夠了解方向再適度剛剛我說的你們可以說的範圍當然我也了解在談判的過程當中有很多不能說但是如果你們研判可以說因為\n1202697\t1221965\t我們的暫緩期要到了讓我們的產業跟民生他們可以適度可以知道了解下一步他到底要怎麼避險下一步他到底要怎麼做才不會讓人民認為他永遠是在被突襲的我想這是我們政府必須要做的事項是謝謝委員知道好謝謝中午不休息那現在\n","txt":"郭文貴議員\n我們努力的程度就是100分\n努力的程度100分就民眾的感受跟目前復健的情況呢我們到現在所有的電都已經復電了所有水第二天我們就水就倒了那因為這個災情超過這個我們想像的過去的經驗這120年來第一次有這麼大從南到北的這個颱風進到嘉南平原然後這整個吹過去17級風造成的\n好這些原因大家都知道但是我們是結果論看民眾大家的心聲我聽到剛剛參議委員還在說那些屋頂政府應該要有事權統一一站式的聯繫窗口這個不是只有你經濟部因為經濟部你所管的是電力的部分那其他的部分政府應該要橫向的聯繫因為我們看到政府就只有一個\n民眾到目前為止的痛苦我相信大家都感同身受所以我們繼續來討論也就是我希望大家要看到聽到人民的心聲我認為在這一次的災損 淹水以及停電 連外暴露 電訊中斷等這些事件我認為政府在橫向的聯繫當中並不完美並不完整\n所以在這樣的情況之下我還有媒體認為在整個災區的資訊它是混亂的資源欠缺一個統籌所以在地區方面斷電斷訊還拖很久\n有人甚至爬到屋頂上面要維修屋頂而上命我們真的很難過更有養護中心的長輩一度陷入困境這是大家非常緊張一旦\n我們碰到國家的重大災難的時候大家不免苛責是應該要團結一致橫向聯繫這是本席從政以來我一再一再的堅持所以我們看到政府告訴我們要加強韌性要人民來配合那但是在這一次的風態當中整個中央政府我認為反應是有遲緩的我們看到總統下鄉去講話\n但是我沒有看到一個整合救災的功能我認為只要國家在重大災害的時候沒有辦法讓我們的災民安心沒有辦法去保護人民甚至沒有辦法迅速的重建在這樣的情況之下連報導我看到報導台南人都說政府\n這讓人非常非常的憂心所以我要跟您討論的是我們經濟部我們這個主管是電力在這一次的電力損失光光電線桿倒掉了三千多隻數量之大讓我們就陳如剛才部長所說的從來沒有想到這麼大\n那麼電線斷掉的也將近要將近7000條這樣重大的一個挑戰我們要怎麼樣去應對受災的災戶有100萬戶以上那在這樣情況之下因為本席來自台中我們當時在20幾年前我們經歷過了921\n這一些的災難我一看我都要掉淚了我都要掉淚了所以我希望的大家應該團結一致我們來檢討怎麼樣可以讓災民更加的迅速讓災民可以安心這是我們要的這是我們要的所以我在這邊也要特別的強調台電的員工非常非常的辛苦非常的辛苦那麼我們要怎麼樣去協助他們也就是\n我們針對於在災前的預估能力跟災後的能力配比部長 我們台電員工也有一個人要負責好幾區他怎麼做得來這是政府要協助我們台電的員工\n甚至外圍的人員都全力出動欸都全力出動但是在整個橫向的一個整理我們究竟要怎麼樣去精進所以本席要請教在這邊應變的能量\n我們是否足夠我們是不是還有更精進的方案請教部長是 報告委員謝謝你讓我們這個台電的辛苦能夠讓大家都了解大家都很清楚我們都很感恩你要怎麼樣去協助這一次的災難我想你回想過去你的經驗921大地震的時候你知道你的台中有多久才復電嗎\n市長本席不同意你如此的說法你不是說去做比較你這麼回答是撕裂我們的傷口本席絕對不同意本席是請教我們部件的能力夠不夠我們可以怎麼樣精進但是你剛才在講我這一次陪總統一共跑了12個災區\n我們都非常的清楚所有的部會統統動起來在做但是你在看媒體的報導非常的偏頗那你要告訴媒體啊你一個政府你要讓身體的情況去顯現啊剛才你是在引述媒體的報導嘛所以我現在在跟你報告那你要給媒體請媒體給你澄清啊我現在報告委員我們現在談本是要跟你討論的我來自\n經歷過921我很難過我看到這樣重大災情我們應該要團結這是我說的我們必須要怎麼樣可以進去我說台電的人工一個人要副長好幾區你到底你的復健能力夠不夠我們要怎麼樣協助他你怎麼可以來做一個比較什麼什麼時候復健我告訴你\n我只是告訴你 我們有在努力我們非常的努力才有今天可以在十天內完全復電報告委員我們是非要努力所以本席請教我們理性討論 部長我們理性討論 部長我們如北部誰說你怎麼樣本席請問你的 你有怎樣回答\n我們要怎麼樣協助台電 你的部件能力夠不夠 我請問夠不夠夠不夠我當然會生氣 你把一個災難跟一個災難去對比\n不是 我只是引述你剛才所講的話來做對比如果這件事情勾起你這個不好的感覺我可以跟你道歉但是我回答你的問題我們有辦法我們下一次如果再做到一樣的事情我們當然可以把這件事情做得更好\n我非常禮貌的請問你 我們是不是有精進方案我們當然有精進 我在跟你報告我們有沒有精進的方案 有需不需要精進我們當然有精進的方案 需要不需要精進報告委員 我在第五天就指示所有的經濟部的同仁\n你應該在災區的人通通可以直接請假去幫助這個復健也就是說光靠原來的這個處理因為台電要復健所以你們這麼回答也就是說我們碰到重大的災難因為台電的復健是不足的我們要精進嘛 對不對所以我們考慮的非常的多我們在不斷地檢討不斷地提出不斷地精進的處理方法等一下就具體建議\n因為我們不希望碰到重大災難但是我們碰到了碰到了就是陳如你剛才說的是給我們一個新的學習這個新的學習我剛剛坐在那邊聽到你回答的新的學習我對你滿心的信心啊\n所以我們應該碰到重大的災難我們要怎麼樣讓國人更加的安心在整個流程SOP流程我們要怎麼做民眾碰到的問題我沒有電我去找誰我們的里長我要去找誰我們協助的人員我要在當地有怎麼樣的一個聯繫這些都是環環相扣所以我號稱我也建議政府應該要有一正式的聯繫窗口\n讓民眾非常的清楚讓他們在困難當中風暴當中不要再害怕這是政府最基本的責任嘛對不對報告委員您剛才所說的我們都在做\n非常好我們都有相同謝謝你一句非常好針對於中央部會資訊的整合跟這一次的樣態本身認為有津津的空間我具體建議民眾是我們的死命啦百姓是我們的死命啦一個國家沒有人民就沒有了啦所以我非常的希望誠意建議我們應該中央政府要友誼戰士的聯繫窗口各部會橫向的聯繫要好好的聯想\n這是我衷心非常感同身受的一個說法我希望你們可以接受而且可以去精進那接下來本席要再跟你討論關稅的問題\n關稅談判未定讓人民也害怕因為我相信你非常的努力我們碰到了國際級剛剛是碰到了這個天災現在我們碰到了國際級的一個關稅議題本席跟你討論過了很多次你來自於產業界應該更加的了解\n產業界的一個恐慌所以本席要告訴你現在我們全國的產業跟民生他非常非常關心的就是暫緩期這個暫緩期快要到了8月1號以前\n我們談判小組 談判班都非常努力在做我說了國家有事我們全國應該要全體團結一致這是我一再堅持的也一再的論述所以本席要請教8月1號之前我們會有結果嗎我們現在仍然在談判中\n所以報告委員我們希望在8月1號以前能夠把這個結果談出來不過美國因為他們是要跟180個國家來談他們有一些這個他們自己也認為\n這個8月1號如果沒有辦法談完了他會持續再往後移但是我們就在爭取在8月1號之前就可以把一個好的結果談出來所以我們這整個的談判的團隊就像這個委員您所講的我們都\n給他們高度的祝福他們非常的努力也掌握非常多的情勢我們希望能夠談出一個好的結果但是我如果解讀請部長聽聽看也就是說因為他的暫緩期到7月底那大家產業界會緊張所以照如果剛才的說法就是說8月1號以前我們希望可以有結果但是不一定我可以這麼解讀嗎\n我們現在這個以目前來講就是說我們就是盡全力在8月1號之前把它談妥希望把它談妥但是還是未定未定是因為是由美國決定的對對對所以我們還是希望加油因為之所以本席一定要請教部長這個議題產業界都很緊張因為產業界也會連貫到我們整個民生所以在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教部長\n因為相關的關稅風暴對於我們出口導向的我們會帶來很大的重擊我想你也非常的憂心也非常努力但是產業界一邊現在他是先喊停來鼓聲但是他們也希望能夠有一個方向但最重要的我們還有一個匯率問題\n所以雙會讓我們很緊張很緊張但是政府呢到目前為止我只看到我們提出了930億來協助來補助但到這一段時間我們很久沒有聽到部長您告訴我們產業界到底我們現在的走向是如何\n所以連產業界預計的暫緩期\n是謝謝委員的這個垂訊那在這個匯率的部分我們非常清楚所以我們在上個禮拜我們這個經濟部有開一個這個記者會那麼也跟大家說明我們中小企業署\n我們會幫助這些企業提出因應這個會計的做法因應的方案可以說的讓我們的產業界可以了解因為本席舉例日本的做法他隨時隨時告訴他的產業告訴他的人民我們希望預計可以怎麼做讓人民安心讓產業安心\n這個怎麼樣子去做這個遠區外匯怎麼樣子做這個選擇權但是因為他們是規模比較小所以他們也不太會去做這個財務所以要政府協助嘛所以報告委員我們現在都跟銀行還在談希望他們能夠提出來一個package就是一個這個怎麼講套餐式的商品然後讓\n企業他今天可以安心的去報價然後他買到穩定的這個匯率所以我們都在幫助他們讓他們不會有太大的這個不要認為是被突襲有的方向就跟社會大眾說明\n八大工股 航庫啊都會來協助中小企業來避險好 加油那部長 本席要在這邊請教接下來談判當中您之前告訴我們說會分年兩千億的美金的擴大對美採購是不是也納入這一次我們的談判的內容之一跟另外一個阿拉斯加我們買能源幾乎是佔他們的三成這兩項是不是列入在\n我們這一次談判的範圍之內呢我們現在是不是來這個這個遊園因為這個阿拉斯加的這個天然氣是一個非常好的一個產品但是我們也是綜合考量綜合考量那美國他們會根據我們的對美國的投資然後對美國讓美國再度偉大我想他們美國我們在這個\n這一段過程裡面那看美國跟其他的國家談判跟我們的談判美國似乎對如何讓美國再度偉大這個命題呢他們是非常的這個關注然後你美國再度偉大你要投資的很多要投資的很多我們必須要衡量自己的這個有沒有這些有沒有這種投資的必要\n第一個要考慮有沒有必要性嘛第二個我投資這個是不是長遠的這個做法或者是短期的交易這一個部分我相信我們的談判小組都非常的清楚好 所以換句話說這兩項也納入在我們談判小組的考量之因子之一\n是嗎我們有建議啦那是不是他們考量這一碗因為最後本席要告訴您也就是大家務必要團結對外這個談判非常的重要因為我們還有一個貿易擴張法美國透過貿易擴張法的232條其中我們八成\n出口的都會在這裡面他們可以挑特定的產品他們也可以例外的來作為他們的關稅的一個爬線筒所以在這種情況之下 本席要請教IC產品的部分非常的重要請教我們都聽到部長你告訴我們目前的談判是順利的是有建設性的一個進展\n也就是說在232的這個條款裡頭我們是不是也都非常嚴肅的在看待這些項目也就包括了我們的愛奇產品包括了半導體顯示器是不是還是一樣可以達到我們說的關稅豁免權\n請做說明報告委員我們現在因為台灣我們在這個232這個包含了半導體供應鏈這些產品其實對美國來講是非常非常重要那美方也了解大概美方他們統計大概70%他都不支持他們這個他們自己啦這就是對美國來說\n但是還有30%啊 所以我們還是要保護我們自己啊朝這個方向啊要繼續加油啊我們對他們的幫助有多大我們跟美國聯合起來台美合作我相信對我們整個在這個市場上面不管在行銷或者在製造上面都非常具有優勢這一點我們在努力中\n謝謝部長的努力我想最後一個結論也就是我希望大家面臨到這麼重大的國際級我們務必一定要讓我們的產業跟我們的民眾他有準備的機會他能夠了解方向再適度剛剛我說的你們可以說的範圍當然我也了解在談判的過程當中有很多不能說但是如果你們研判可以說因為\n我們的暫緩期要到了讓我們的產業跟民生他們可以適度可以知道了解下一步他到底要怎麼避險下一步他到底要怎麼做才不會讓人民認為他永遠是在被突襲的我想這是我們政府必須要做的事項是謝謝委員知道好謝謝中午不休息那現在\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.069 --> 00:03.309\n郭文貴議員\n\n00:21.089 --> 00:21.670\n我們努力的程度就是100分\n\n00:46.897 --> 01:14.305\n努力的程度100分就民眾的感受跟目前復健的情況呢我們到現在所有的電都已經復電了所有水第二天我們就水就倒了那因為這個災情超過這個我們想像的過去的經驗這120年來第一次有這麼大從南到北的這個颱風進到嘉南平原然後這整個吹過去17級風造成的\n\n01:16.906 --> 01:46.286\n好這些原因大家都知道但是我們是結果論看民眾大家的心聲我聽到剛剛參議委員還在說那些屋頂政府應該要有事權統一一站式的聯繫窗口這個不是只有你經濟部因為經濟部你所管的是電力的部分那其他的部分政府應該要橫向的聯繫因為我們看到政府就只有一個\n\n01:47.006 --> 02:10.878\n民眾到目前為止的痛苦我相信大家都感同身受所以我們繼續來討論也就是我希望大家要看到聽到人民的心聲我認為在這一次的災損淹水以及停電連外暴露電訊中斷等這些事件我認為政府在橫向的聯繫當中並不完美並不完整\n\n02:13.260 --> 02:17.845\n所以在這樣的情況之下我還有媒體認為在整個災區的資訊它是混亂的資源欠缺一個統籌所以在地區方面斷電斷訊還拖很久\n\n02:28.516 --> 02:43.035\n有人甚至爬到屋頂上面要維修屋頂而上命我們真的很難過更有養護中心的長輩一度陷入困境這是大家非常緊張一旦\n\n02:45.157 --> 02:54.860\n我們碰到國家的重大災難的時候大家不免苛責是應該要團結一致橫向聯繫這是本席從政以來我一再一再的堅持所以我們看到政府告訴我們要加強韌性要人民來配合那但是在這一次的風態當中整個中央政府我認為反應是有遲緩的我們看到總統下鄉去講話\n\n03:14.486 --> 03:34.575\n但是我沒有看到一個整合救災的功能我認為只要國家在重大災害的時候沒有辦法讓我們的災民安心沒有辦法去保護人民甚至沒有辦法迅速的重建在這樣的情況之下連報導我看到報導台南人都說政府\n\n03:40.138 --> 03:47.445\n這讓人非常非常的憂心所以我要跟您討論的是我們經濟部我們這個主管是電力在這一次的電力損失光光電線桿倒掉了三千多隻數量之大讓我們就陳如剛才部長所說的從來沒有想到這麼大\n\n04:04.882 --> 04:08.605\n那麼電線斷掉的也將近要將近7000條這樣重大的一個挑戰我們要怎麼樣去應對受災的災戶有100萬戶以上那在這樣情況之下因為本席來自台中我們當時在20幾年前我們經歷過了921\n\n04:26.762 --> 04:40.068\n這一些的災難我一看我都要掉淚了我都要掉淚了所以我希望的大家應該團結一致我們來檢討怎麼樣可以讓災民更加的迅速讓災民可以安心這是我們要的這是我們要的所以我在這邊也要特別的強調台電的員工非常非常的辛苦非常的辛苦那麼我們要怎麼樣去協助他們也就是\n\n04:56.215 --> 05:01.341\n我們針對於在災前的預估能力跟災後的能力配比部長我們台電員工也有一個人要負責好幾區他怎麼做得來這是政府要協助我們台電的員工\n\n05:14.276 --> 05:26.582\n甚至外圍的人員都全力出動欸都全力出動但是在整個橫向的一個整理我們究竟要怎麼樣去精進所以本席要請教在這邊應變的能量\n\n05:31.348 --> 05:55.290\n我們是否足夠我們是不是還有更精進的方案請教部長是報告委員謝謝你讓我們這個台電的辛苦能夠讓大家都了解大家都很清楚我們都很感恩你要怎麼樣去協助這一次的災難我想你回想過去你的經驗921大地震的時候你知道你的台中有多久才復電嗎\n\n05:56.926 --> 06:04.731\n市長本席不同意你如此的說法你不是說去做比較你這麼回答是撕裂我們的傷口本席絕對不同意本席是請教我們部件的能力夠不夠我們可以怎麼樣精進但是你剛才在講我這一次陪總統一共跑了12個災區\n\n06:23.072 --> 06:43.464\n我們都非常的清楚所有的部會統統動起來在做但是你在看媒體的報導非常的偏頗那你要告訴媒體啊你一個政府你要讓身體的情況去顯現啊剛才你是在引述媒體的報導嘛所以我現在在跟你報告那你要給媒體請媒體給你澄清啊我現在報告委員我們現在談本是要跟你討論的我來自\n\n06:51.203 --> 06:53.385\n經歷過921我很難過我看到這樣重大災情我們應該要團結這是我說的我們必須要怎麼樣可以進去我說台電的人工一個人要副長好幾區你到底你的復健能力夠不夠我們要怎麼樣協助他你怎麼可以來做一個比較什麼什麼時候復健我告訴你\n\n07:13.544 --> 07:22.151\n我只是告訴你我們有在努力我們非常的努力才有今天可以在十天內完全復電報告委員我們是非要努力所以本席請教我們理性討論部長我們理性討論部長我們如北部誰說你怎麼樣本席請問你的你有怎樣回答\n\n07:40.485 --> 07:41.446\n我們要怎麼樣協助台電你的部件能力夠不夠我請問夠不夠夠不夠我當然會生氣你把一個災難跟一個災難去對比\n\n07:57.365 --> 08:11.177\n不是我只是引述你剛才所講的話來做對比如果這件事情勾起你這個不好的感覺我可以跟你道歉但是我回答你的問題我們有辦法我們下一次如果再做到一樣的事情我們當然可以把這件事情做得更好\n\n08:24.448 --> 08:42.424\n我非常禮貌的請問你我們是不是有精進方案我們當然有精進我在跟你報告我們有沒有精進的方案有需不需要精進我們當然有精進的方案需要不需要精進報告委員我在第五天就指示所有的經濟部的同仁\n\n08:44.056 --> 09:12.905\n你應該在災區的人通通可以直接請假去幫助這個復健也就是說光靠原來的這個處理因為台電要復健所以你們這麼回答也就是說我們碰到重大的災難因為台電的復健是不足的我們要精進嘛對不對所以我們考慮的非常的多我們在不斷地檢討不斷地提出不斷地精進的處理方法等一下就具體建議\n\n09:14.125 --> 09:28.212\n因為我們不希望碰到重大災難但是我們碰到了碰到了就是陳如你剛才說的是給我們一個新的學習這個新的學習我剛剛坐在那邊聽到你回答的新的學習我對你滿心的信心啊\n\n09:29.164 --> 09:42.209\n所以我們應該碰到重大的災難我們要怎麼樣讓國人更加的安心在整個流程SOP流程我們要怎麼做民眾碰到的問題我沒有電我去找誰我們的里長我要去找誰我們協助的人員我要在當地有怎麼樣的一個聯繫這些都是環環相扣所以我號稱我也建議政府應該要有一正式的聯繫窗口\n\n09:56.094 --> 10:08.869\n讓民眾非常的清楚讓他們在困難當中風暴當中不要再害怕這是政府最基本的責任嘛對不對報告委員您剛才所說的我們都在做\n\n10:10.228 --> 10:39.083\n非常好我們都有相同謝謝你一句非常好針對於中央部會資訊的整合跟這一次的樣態本身認為有津津的空間我具體建議民眾是我們的死命啦百姓是我們的死命啦一個國家沒有人民就沒有了啦所以我非常的希望誠意建議我們應該中央政府要友誼戰士的聯繫窗口各部會橫向的聯繫要好好的聯想\n\n10:40.343 --> 10:50.152\n這是我衷心非常感同身受的一個說法我希望你們可以接受而且可以去精進那接下來本席要再跟你討論關稅的問題\n\n10:58.675 --> 11:21.596\n關稅談判未定讓人民也害怕因為我相信你非常的努力我們碰到了國際級剛剛是碰到了這個天災現在我們碰到了國際級的一個關稅議題本席跟你討論過了很多次你來自於產業界應該更加的了解\n\n11:23.178 --> 11:35.990\n產業界的一個恐慌所以本席要告訴你現在我們全國的產業跟民生他非常非常關心的就是暫緩期這個暫緩期快要到了8月1號以前\n\n11:39.073 --> 11:55.761\n我們談判小組談判班都非常努力在做我說了國家有事我們全國應該要全體團結一致這是我一再堅持的也一再的論述所以本席要請教8月1號之前我們會有結果嗎我們現在仍然在談判中\n\n12:01.158 --> 12:16.443\n所以報告委員我們希望在8月1號以前能夠把這個結果談出來不過美國因為他們是要跟180個國家來談他們有一些這個他們自己也認為\n\n12:18.123 --> 12:36.048\n這個8月1號如果沒有辦法談完了他會持續再往後移但是我們就在爭取在8月1號之前就可以把一個好的結果談出來所以我們這整個的談判的團隊就像這個委員您所講的我們都\n\n12:37.683 --> 12:51.031\n給他們高度的祝福他們非常的努力也掌握非常多的情勢我們希望能夠談出一個好的結果但是我如果解讀請部長聽聽看也就是說因為他的暫緩期到7月底那大家產業界會緊張所以照如果剛才的說法就是說8月1號以前我們希望可以有結果但是不一定我可以這麼解讀嗎\n\n13:05.373 --> 13:32.702\n我們現在這個以目前來講就是說我們就是盡全力在8月1號之前把它談妥希望把它談妥但是還是未定未定是因為是由美國決定的對對對所以我們還是希望加油因為之所以本席一定要請教部長這個議題產業界都很緊張因為產業界也會連貫到我們整個民生所以在這樣的一個情況之下本席要請教部長\n\n13:33.402 --> 13:36.204\n因為相關的關稅風暴對於我們出口導向的我們會帶來很大的重擊我想你也非常的憂心也非常努力但是產業界一邊現在他是先喊停來鼓聲但是他們也希望能夠有一個方向但最重要的我們還有一個匯率問題\n\n13:53.815 --> 13:57.638\n所以雙會讓我們很緊張很緊張但是政府呢到目前為止我只看到我們提出了930億來協助來補助但到這一段時間我們很久沒有聽到部長您告訴我們產業界到底我們現在的走向是如何\n\n14:11.647 --> 14:11.987\n所以連產業界預計的暫緩期\n\n14:41.587 --> 14:59.460\n是謝謝委員的這個垂訊那在這個匯率的部分我們非常清楚所以我們在上個禮拜我們這個經濟部有開一個這個記者會那麼也跟大家說明我們中小企業署\n\n15:00.612 --> 15:08.378\n我們會幫助這些企業提出因應這個會計的做法因應的方案可以說的讓我們的產業界可以了解因為本席舉例日本的做法他隨時隨時告訴他的產業告訴他的人民我們希望預計可以怎麼做讓人民安心讓產業安心\n\n15:25.512 --> 15:48.240\n這個怎麼樣子去做這個遠區外匯怎麼樣子做這個選擇權但是因為他們是規模比較小所以他們也不太會去做這個財務所以要政府協助嘛所以報告委員我們現在都跟銀行還在談希望他們能夠提出來一個package就是一個這個怎麼講套餐式的商品然後讓\n\n15:49.900 --> 15:53.422\n企業他今天可以安心的去報價然後他買到穩定的這個匯率所以我們都在幫助他們讓他們不會有太大的這個不要認為是被突襲有的方向就跟社會大眾說明\n\n16:08.949 --> 16:13.850\n八大工股航庫啊都會來協助中小企業來避險好加油那部長本席要在這邊請教接下來談判當中您之前告訴我們說會分年兩千億的美金的擴大對美採購是不是也納入這一次我們的談判的內容之一跟另外一個阿拉斯加我們買能源幾乎是佔他們的三成這兩項是不是列入在\n\n16:37.734 --> 17:03.948\n我們這一次談判的範圍之內呢我們現在是不是來這個這個遊園因為這個阿拉斯加的這個天然氣是一個非常好的一個產品但是我們也是綜合考量綜合考量那美國他們會根據我們的對美國的投資然後對美國讓美國再度偉大我想他們美國我們在這個\n\n17:05.249 --> 17:28.081\n這一段過程裡面那看美國跟其他的國家談判跟我們的談判美國似乎對如何讓美國再度偉大這個命題呢他們是非常的這個關注然後你美國再度偉大你要投資的很多要投資的很多我們必須要衡量自己的這個有沒有這些有沒有這種投資的必要\n\n17:28.621 --> 17:46.776\n第一個要考慮有沒有必要性嘛第二個我投資這個是不是長遠的這個做法或者是短期的交易這一個部分我相信我們的談判小組都非常的清楚好所以換句話說這兩項也納入在我們談判小組的考量之因子之一\n\n17:47.296 --> 17:58.982\n是嗎我們有建議啦那是不是他們考量這一碗因為最後本席要告訴您也就是大家務必要團結對外這個談判非常的重要因為我們還有一個貿易擴張法美國透過貿易擴張法的232條其中我們八成\n\n18:07.486 --> 18:19.077\n出口的都會在這裡面他們可以挑特定的產品他們也可以例外的來作為他們的關稅的一個爬線筒所以在這種情況之下本席要請教IC產品的部分非常的重要請教我們都聽到部長你告訴我們目前的談判是順利的是有建設性的一個進展\n\n18:30.527 --> 18:31.588\n也就是說在232的這個條款裡頭我們是不是也都非常嚴肅的在看待這些項目也就包括了我們的愛奇產品包括了半導體顯示器是不是還是一樣可以達到我們說的關稅豁免權\n\n18:50.081 --> 19:05.276\n請做說明報告委員我們現在因為台灣我們在這個232這個包含了半導體供應鏈這些產品其實對美國來講是非常非常重要那美方也了解大概美方他們統計大概70%他都不支持他們這個他們自己啦這就是對美國來說\n\n19:12.703 --> 19:36.428\n但是還有30%啊所以我們還是要保護我們自己啊朝這個方向啊要繼續加油啊我們對他們的幫助有多大我們跟美國聯合起來台美合作我相信對我們整個在這個市場上面不管在行銷或者在製造上面都非常具有優勢這一點我們在努力中\n\n19:37.368 --> 20:01.156\n謝謝部長的努力我想最後一個結論也就是我希望大家面臨到這麼重大的國際級我們務必一定要讓我們的產業跟我們的民眾他有準備的機會他能夠了解方向再適度剛剛我說的你們可以說的範圍當然我也了解在談判的過程當中有很多不能說但是如果你們研判可以說因為\n\n20:02.697 --> 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作法……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：這樣就對了，因應的方案、可以說的，讓我們的產業界可以了解，本席舉例來說，日本的作法是隨時告訴他的產業、告訴他的人民，他們預計可以怎麼做，讓人民安心、讓產業安心。"],["郭部長智輝：我們告訴他們怎麼樣去做遠期外匯、怎麼樣做選擇權，但是因為他們規模比較小，所以他們也不太會去做這些財務的規劃……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以就要政府協助嘛！"],["郭部長智輝：所以報告委員，我們現在都跟銀行還在談，希望他們能夠提出一個package，就是一個套餐式的商品，讓企業今天可以安心地去報價，讓它買到穩定的匯率……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：部長，你這樣說就對了，我們產業界很恐慌……"],["郭部長智輝：所以我們都在幫助他們，讓他們不會有太大的匯率波動……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：不要認為是被突襲，有了方向就請跟社會大眾來說明。"],["郭部長智輝：我們一定是幫助他們，現在八大公股行庫都會協助中小企業來避險。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，加油。部長，本席要在這邊請教，現在在談判當中，您之前告訴我們說會分年有2,000億美金的擴大對美採購，是不是也納入這一次我們談判的內容之一？另外一個，我們跟阿拉斯加買能源，幾乎是占他們的三成，這兩項是不是列入在我們這一次談判的範圍之內呢？"],["郭部長智輝：因為阿拉斯加的天然氣是一個非常好的產品，但是我們也是綜合考量，美國他們會根據我們對美國的投資，讓美國再度偉大，我想我們在這一段過程裡面看美國跟其他的國家談判、跟我們的談判，美國似乎對如何讓美國再度偉大這個命題，他們是非常的關注……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：對，他們朝著他們的目標在走啊！那我方呢？"],["郭部長智輝：如果要讓美國再度偉大，你就要投資很多，我們必須要衡量自己有沒有這種投資的必要，第一個要考慮有沒有必要性；第二個，我投資這個是不是長遠的作法，或者是短期的交易，這一個部分我相信我們的談判小組都非常的清楚。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，所以換句話說這兩項也納入在我們談判小組的考量因子之一，是嗎？"],["郭部長智輝：我們有建議啦！是不是他們考量之一，我不清楚。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：最後本席要告訴您，大家務必要團結對外，這一個談判非常的重要，因為我們還有一個貿易擴張法，美國透過貿易擴張法第兩百三十二條，我們八成出口的都會在這裡面，他們可以挑特定的產品，他們也可以訂定例外的關稅百分比，所以在這樣情況之下本席要請教，IC產品的部分非常的重要，我們都聽到部長告訴我們，目前的談判是順利的、是有建設性的進展，也就是說，在232條款裡頭，我們是不是也都非常嚴肅的在看待這些項目，也就包括了我們的IC產品、包括了半導體、顯示器，是不是還是一樣可以達到我們說的關稅豁免權？請做說明。"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，現在因為臺灣在232條款中包含了半導體供應鏈這些產品，其實對美國來講是非常非常重要，美方也了解，美方他們統計大概百分之七十都不支持……他們自己覺得……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：不能這樣嘛！"],["郭部長智輝：對美國來說也沒有比較好。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：但是還有百分之三十，所以我們還是要保護我們自己，朝這個方向啊！要繼續加油。"],["郭部長智輝：但是我們還是一樣，我們繼續在跟美國那邊說明我們對他們的幫助有多大，我們跟美國聯合起來，臺美合作，我相信對我們在這整個市場上面，不管在行銷或者在製造上面都非常具有優勢，這一點我們在努力中。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：好，謝謝部長的努力，我想最後一個結論，我希望大家面臨到這麼重大的國際級的議題，我們一定要讓我們的產業跟我們的民眾有準備的機會，讓他們能夠了解方向，在剛剛我說的你們可以說的範圍裡，當然我也了解在談判的過程當中有很多不能說，但是如果你們研判可以說，因為暫緩期要到了，希望讓我們的產業跟民生他們可以適度知道、了解，下一步他到底要怎麼避險，下一步他到底要怎麼做，才不會讓人民認為他永遠是在被突襲的，我想這是我們政府必須要做的事項。"],["郭部長智輝：是，謝謝委員指導。"],["主席：謝謝。","中午不休息。","現在請陳超明委員做詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":84,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-19-18","speakers":["謝衣鳯","邱議瑩","賴瑞隆","鄭正鈐","張啓楷","張嘉郡","蔡易餘","楊瓊瓔","陳超明","邱志偉","林俊憲","郭國文","黃國昌","鄭天財Sra 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