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00:00:40,156\n陳部長我想請問這次的清源專案我們彰化縣農民申請的期間是從7月就是到7月25號為止但是現在申請的農民跟農地有多少\n\n3\n00:00:40,996 --> 00:00:59,010\n那我知道在嘉義跟台南他們可以延後那因為現在災民都在救災在申報的期限上面是不是有辦法也給予災民跟台南嘉義一樣延後申報呢\n\n4\n00:00:59,770 --> 00:01:13,891\n我跟委員說明就是救災跟我們的這些補助包括你剛才講到道座的清源那這個部分它不在救災的範圍所以它的沒有一些時間的限制然後第二個就是說救災的部分我們雖然說10天\n\n5\n00:01:16,514 --> 00:01:36,253\n但是如果需要延長的時候可以延長五天啊這個地方政府我們每天幾乎都打電話給地方政府保持聯絡如果說他覺得他的案件太多需要延長的話我們會立即同意的這個我想請農民可以放心所以一級倒座的這個就是申報還有就是清源不在這個對這個沒有\n\n6\n00:01:37,535 --> 00:01:53,349\n這個用專案的輔導的話那個時間我們都沒有所謂的截止日啦你只要有真正的去繳交有他的事實的話我們都會認不會說因為他時間到了就不處理不會因為7月21號到期那還沒有去申報就不處理是不是\n\n7\n00:01:56,231 --> 00:02:13,602\n對你這樣講了要給農民清楚喔對我們會再去講清楚救助是一件事情這個是專門專門協助的部分就沒有時間的限制只要他有受災的時候就可以來申請因為我們水稻的面積是1800公頃是全國最大的一個部分而且將近那時候將近有20%還沒有收啦\n\n8\n00:02:16,024 --> 00:02:30,484\n對我們我們那時候就是在委員的關心之下我們特別是把這個災害國也把它納入那這個部分在在漲化地區的農民都覺得很不錯的一個一個方法還有因為微怕微怕颱風也要來了那因為微怕颱風如果來的話那\n\n9\n00:02:33,267 --> 00:02:59,648\n這樣子其實也會就是說延長因為我們還不知道他現在路徑的方向到底上岸的地點是為何那所以影響的範圍我們也不清楚的狀況之下也期望就是說對於農業的災損那這一次農業部可以給予更長的時間然後讓農民好好的清楚再加上二期稻作未來\n\n10\n00:03:00,729 --> 00:03:22,398\n怎麼樣子進行如果目前清源以及就是沒有辦法清除現在在上面受損的這些稻作的話那有可能二期稻作沒有辦法順利那這樣怎麼怎麼做呢我想我們是希望說他如果是受災的這些穀他可以清源的部分他直接可以拿掉然後他還來得及二期做\n\n11\n00:03:22,958 --> 00:03:43,994\n那如果說現在快要收貨的話我們都希望說他能夠來得及二級座如果來不及二級座的部分的時候那相對的我們有二級座的這些轉座的誘因是可以來支持的好好謝謝那請你請回我想要請交通部陳次長還有內政部的董事長\n\n12\n00:03:50,353 --> 00:04:19,299\n我請問兩位來委員會報告因為這一次的災損很多都涉及到房屋還有車輛的這個部分喔那其實喔上一次在報這個災損的時候大家都感受到非常的不方便那請問這一次怎麼樣子協助災民在申請災損災害的這些救助的時候內政部跟交通部能夠重塑啊是不是先請內政部啊\n\n13\n00:04:22,090 --> 00:04:43,770\n那我想內政部已經在行政院的指示之下我們已經透過在7月18號透過專案的方式補助那麼整個災損的方式我們就是依照院長的指示重寬重塑重寬重塑的方式來處理所以我們就是在那個破損的範圍在6到30坪之內我們就是馬上就是給你補貼\n\n14\n00:04:44,751 --> 00:05:07,937\n那60坪以上我們也就是另外一個金額的補貼而且我們是以居住事實作為現況的認定那每戶來做一個快速的補助那由地方政府來統籌由帶一窗口來運作這樣子其實在台南市已經就完成了相關的一個房屋的登記而且我們不是只有屋頂包括外牆的損毀還有一些相關的居住的狀況的損毀我們都有全部的保護\n\n15\n00:05:11,078 --> 00:05:15,331\n那除了嘉義之外除了台南在嘉義縣也是一致那災區也都認定了\n\n16\n00:05:16,479 --> 00:05:35,430\n我相信這次雖然比較嚴重的就是南部那大家都是人機幾機人力幾力希望說內政部跟交通部對於相關的這樣子的災民的補助一定要從寬從簡不要是只是政策性的宣布沒有沒有我們全都已經直接下去跟公所直接對接了對好那你們兩個請回我們請經濟部長謝謝\n\n17\n00:05:49,997 --> 00:06:09,607\n郭部長這一次我們看到屏東的這個旭東光電這個他在測試離岸光電浮板的這個系統海上的耐受性那我們看到了這一次明顯的嚴重\n\n18\n00:06:10,856 --> 00:06:31,449\n是怎麼樣沒有辦法承受這個風災那未來離岸的光電還能做嗎你離岸光電沒有辦法做的話你怎麼做這是整個能源政策的問題啊你趕快回答是報告委員我想我們也在對這一次的這個颱風造成這樣的這個這個屏東的這個佳東這個地方的這個這個怎麼講他承載的這個\n\n19\n00:06:40,915 --> 00:06:59,112\n結構承載的部分然後會變成漂流我非常訝異因為在去年三個比這個颱風更嚴重它也是存在的它沒問題為什麼這一次颱風會有問題所以我們大概在做研究也就是必須要長期的觀察\n\n20\n00:06:59,853 --> 00:07:13,450\n所以我當然這個是給我們一個非常好的一個學習那為什麼去年可以為什麼今年會有這個問題所以在做研究不會說只做這個幾個月啊或者是所以他會有一個長期的研究這一點跟委員報告那所以\n\n21\n00:07:16,772 --> 00:07:29,008\n你們在太陽能光電這一塊上面如果離岸風電現在沒有辦法繼續做的話我是說如果他的抗壓就是抗風的能力不足的情況下\n\n22\n00:07:30,205 --> 00:07:49,291\n妳要多久的時間確定它有沒有辦法繼續做而目前我們知道現在即便是農地都拿來做光電其實我們也發現了根本不合我們所需的綠電的需求是不是那\n\n23\n00:07:50,131 --> 00:08:11,658\n你要怎麼做報告委員我們現在這個農地來做這個綠電的部分大部分就是農農漁來做了就底下做這個養殖然後上面做這個太陽能那大概這是一種另外一種我們會找的就底下沒有養殖大概就是不堪這個農作的地\n\n24\n00:08:13,859 --> 00:08:36,816\n這個我們要盤點但全台灣還有一些它這個土地就是不能夠給種植所用我們盡量在那個我們還是認為現在好像大家對我們的綠電已經感覺上好像有點是嫌惡設施我們當然會盡量去找到跟一般的居民\n\n25\n00:08:38,097 --> 00:08:47,625\n能夠大家可以接受但是如果大家認為說光電這個不應該在台灣發展那我們就這樣會想到其他的方法啦那確實這個會對我們現在要馬上面臨RE100的這樣的一個實現\n\n26\n00:08:54,951 --> 00:09:11,550\n我們會考慮很多在台灣我們有其他的方法包括我們用地熱或者我們用小水利不過這都不足以來滿足光電的部分光電我們還是會繼續再找只是很多的數據會讓我們做一個參考作為地點的一個選擇\n\n27\n00:09:16,115 --> 00:09:43,222\n那所以未來如果像這樣子的一個離岸的光電廠你們要繼續測試的話那抗風的它這個抗風的係數有沒有辦法提高我認為如果它沒有辦法滿足這個這樣的一個需求因為可能那個風向的問題啦這一次我們從台南嘉義的那些風來看都是南北向的這個房子啊這個它被捲起來這個屋頂被捲起來\n\n28\n00:09:45,362 --> 00:09:56,891\n大概都是這樣南北向那如果說你是東西向大概就沒有受災那是不是抗風係數的問題那未來有沒有辦法提高光電板的抗風係數這個我們都會從這個這一次的經驗裡面來做學習\n\n29\n00:10:00,069 --> 00:10:22,646\n所以你還不知道我們會學習我想我們會跟這個我們是相信科學的人所以我們會從科學的角度裡面來解決這個問題因為我覺得就是經濟部應該就這個部分真的要通盤性的檢討我們因為有工業技術研究院所以我們工業技術研究院裡面也有綠能研究所\n\n30\n00:10:23,206 --> 00:10:45,596\n他們會對這一次的現象那麼造成這些現象的原因我們會充分的研究好我希望經濟部通盤的檢討因為畢竟這個能源的政策對於台灣來講是非常重要對於經濟發展也非常重要那如果沒有辦法走這一塊的時候我們必須要了解說下一步我們要怎麼樣做好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5779\t18917\t好 我們請召委謝一鳳質詢好 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由帶一窗口來運作這樣子其實在台南市已經就完成了相關的一個房屋的登記而且我們不是只有屋頂 包括外牆的損毀還有一些相關的居住的狀況的損毀我們都有全部的保護\n311078\t315331\t那除了嘉義之外除了台南在嘉義縣也是一致那災區也都認定了\n316479\t335430\t我相信這次雖然比較嚴重的就是南部那大家都是人機幾機人力幾力希望說內政部跟交通部對於相關的這樣子的災民的補助一定要從寬從簡不要是只是政策性的宣布沒有沒有我們全都已經直接下去跟公所直接對接了對好那你們兩個請回我們請經濟部長謝謝\n349997\t369607\t郭部長這一次我們看到屏東的這個旭東光電這個他在測試離岸光電浮板的這個系統海上的耐受性那我們看到了這一次明顯的嚴重\n370856\t391449\t是怎麼樣沒有辦法承受這個風災那未來離岸的光電還能做嗎你離岸光電沒有辦法做的話你怎麼做這是整個能源政策的問題啊你趕快回答是報告委員我想我們也在對這一次的這個颱風造成這樣的這個這個屏東的這個佳東這個地方的這個這個怎麼講他承載的這個\n400915\t419112\t結構承載的部分然後會變成漂流我非常訝異因為在去年三個比這個颱風更嚴重它也是存在的它沒問題為什麼這一次颱風會有問題所以我們大概在做研究也就是必須要長期的觀察\n419853\t433450\t所以我當然這個是給我們一個非常好的一個學習那為什麼去年可以為什麼今年會有這個問題所以在做研究不會說只做這個幾個月啊或者是所以他會有一個長期的研究這一點跟委員報告那所以\n436772\t449008\t你們在太陽能光電這一塊上面如果離岸風電現在沒有辦法繼續做的話我是說如果他的抗壓就是抗風的能力不足的情況下\n450205\t469291\t妳要多久的時間確定它有沒有辦法繼續做而目前我們知道現在即便是農地都拿來做光電其實我們也發現了根本不合我們所需的綠電的需求是不是那\n470131\t491658\t你要怎麼做報告委員我們現在這個農地來做這個綠電的部分大部分就是農 農漁來做了就底下做這個養殖然後上面做這個太陽能那大概這是一種另外一種我們會找的就底下沒有養殖大概就是不堪這個農作的地\n493859\t516816\t這個我們要盤點但全台灣還有一些它這個土地就是不能夠給種植所用我們盡量在那個我們還是認為現在好像大家對我們的綠電已經感覺上好像有點是嫌惡設施我們當然會盡量去找到跟一般的居民\n518097\t527625\t能夠大家可以接受但是如果大家認為說光電這個不應該在台灣發展那我們就這樣會想到其他的方法啦那確實這個會對我們現在要馬上面臨RE100的這樣的一個實現\n534951\t551550\t我們會考慮很多在台灣我們有其他的方法包括我們用地熱或者我們用小水利不過這都不足以來滿足光電的部分光電我們還是會繼續再找只是很多的數據會讓我們做一個參考作為地點的一個選擇\n556115\t583222\t那所以未來如果像這樣子的一個離岸的光電廠你們要繼續測試的話那抗風的它這個抗風的係數有沒有辦法提高我認為如果它沒有辦法滿足這個這樣的一個需求因為可能那個風向的問題啦這一次我們從台南嘉義的那些風來看都是南北向的這個房子啊這個它被捲起來這個屋頂被捲起來\n585362\t596891\t大概都是這樣南北向那如果說你是東西向大概就沒有受災那是不是抗風係數的問題那未來有沒有辦法提高光電板的抗風係數這個我們都會從這個這一次的經驗裡面來做學習\n600069\t622646\t所以你還不知道我們會學習我想我們會跟這個我們是相信科學的人所以我們會從科學的角度裡面來解決這個問題因為我覺得就是經濟部應該就這個部分真的要通盤性的檢討我們因為有工業技術研究院所以我們工業技術研究院裡面也有綠能研究所\n623206\t645596\t他們會對這一次的現象那麼造成這些現象的原因我們會充分的研究好 我希望經濟部通盤的檢討因為畢竟這個能源的政策對於台灣來講是非常重要對於經濟發展也非常重要那如果沒有辦法走這一塊的時候我們必須要了解說下一步我們要怎麼樣做好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 我們請召委謝一鳳質詢好 謝謝主席我想要請我們農業部的陳部長陳部長\n陳部長我想請問這次的清源專案我們彰化縣農民申請的期間是從7月就是到7月25號為止但是現在申請的農民跟農地有多少\n那我知道在嘉義跟台南他們可以延後那因為現在災民都在救災在申報的期限上面是不是有辦法也給予災民跟台南嘉義一樣延後申報呢\n我跟委員說明就是救災跟我們的這些補助包括你剛才講到道座的清源那這個部分它不在救災的範圍所以它的沒有一些時間的限制然後第二個就是說救災的部分我們雖然說10天\n但是如果需要延長的時候可以延長五天啊這個地方政府我們每天幾乎都打電話給地方政府保持聯絡如果說他覺得他的案件太多需要延長的話我們會立即同意的這個我想請農民可以放心所以一級倒座的這個就是申報還有就是清源不在這個對這個沒有\n這個用專案的輔導的話那個時間我們都沒有所謂的截止日啦你只要有真正的去繳交有他的事實的話我們都會認不會說因為他時間到了就不處理不會因為7月21號到期那還沒有去申報就不處理是不是\n對你這樣講了要給農民清楚喔對我們會再去講清楚救助是一件事情這個是專門專門協助的部分就沒有時間的限制只要他有受災的時候就可以來申請因為我們水稻的面積是1800公頃是全國最大的一個部分而且將近那時候將近有20%還沒有收啦\n對我們我們那時候就是在委員的關心之下我們特別是把這個災害國也把它納入那這個部分在在漲化地區的農民都覺得很不錯的一個一個方法還有因為微怕微怕颱風也要來了那因為微怕颱風如果來的話那\n這樣子其實也會就是說延長因為我們還不知道他現在路徑的方向到底上岸的地點是為何那所以影響的範圍我們也不清楚的狀況之下也期望就是說對於農業的災損那這一次農業部可以給予更長的時間然後讓農民好好的清楚再加上二期稻作未來\n怎麼樣子進行如果目前清源以及就是沒有辦法清除現在在上面受損的這些稻作的話那有可能二期稻作沒有辦法順利那這樣怎麼怎麼做呢我想我們是希望說他如果是受災的這些穀他可以清源的部分他直接可以拿掉然後他還來得及二期做\n那如果說現在快要收貨的話我們都希望說他能夠來得及二級座如果來不及二級座的部分的時候那相對的我們有二級座的這些轉座的誘因是可以來支持的好好謝謝那請你請回我想要請交通部陳次長還有內政部的董事長\n我請問兩位來委員會報告因為這一次的災損很多都涉及到房屋還有車輛的這個部分喔那其實喔上一次在報這個災損的時候大家都感受到非常的不方便那請問這一次怎麼樣子協助災民在申請災損災害的這些救助的時候內政部跟交通部能夠重塑啊是不是先請內政部啊\n那我想內政部已經在行政院的指示之下我們已經透過在7月18號透過專案的方式補助那麼整個災損的方式我們就是依照院長的指示重寬重塑重寬重塑的方式來處理所以我們就是在那個破損的範圍在6到30坪之內我們就是馬上就是給你補貼\n那60坪以上我們也就是另外一個金額的補貼而且我們是以居住事實作為現況的認定那每戶來做一個快速的補助那由地方政府來統籌 由帶一窗口來運作這樣子其實在台南市已經就完成了相關的一個房屋的登記而且我們不是只有屋頂 包括外牆的損毀還有一些相關的居住的狀況的損毀我們都有全部的保護\n那除了嘉義之外除了台南在嘉義縣也是一致那災區也都認定了\n我相信這次雖然比較嚴重的就是南部那大家都是人機幾機人力幾力希望說內政部跟交通部對於相關的這樣子的災民的補助一定要從寬從簡不要是只是政策性的宣布沒有沒有我們全都已經直接下去跟公所直接對接了對好那你們兩個請回我們請經濟部長謝謝\n郭部長這一次我們看到屏東的這個旭東光電這個他在測試離岸光電浮板的這個系統海上的耐受性那我們看到了這一次明顯的嚴重\n是怎麼樣沒有辦法承受這個風災那未來離岸的光電還能做嗎你離岸光電沒有辦法做的話你怎麼做這是整個能源政策的問題啊你趕快回答是報告委員我想我們也在對這一次的這個颱風造成這樣的這個這個屏東的這個佳東這個地方的這個這個怎麼講他承載的這個\n結構承載的部分然後會變成漂流我非常訝異因為在去年三個比這個颱風更嚴重它也是存在的它沒問題為什麼這一次颱風會有問題所以我們大概在做研究也就是必須要長期的觀察\n所以我當然這個是給我們一個非常好的一個學習那為什麼去年可以為什麼今年會有這個問題所以在做研究不會說只做這個幾個月啊或者是所以他會有一個長期的研究這一點跟委員報告那所以\n你們在太陽能光電這一塊上面如果離岸風電現在沒有辦法繼續做的話我是說如果他的抗壓就是抗風的能力不足的情況下\n妳要多久的時間確定它有沒有辦法繼續做而目前我們知道現在即便是農地都拿來做光電其實我們也發現了根本不合我們所需的綠電的需求是不是那\n你要怎麼做報告委員我們現在這個農地來做這個綠電的部分大部分就是農 農漁來做了就底下做這個養殖然後上面做這個太陽能那大概這是一種另外一種我們會找的就底下沒有養殖大概就是不堪這個農作的地\n這個我們要盤點但全台灣還有一些它這個土地就是不能夠給種植所用我們盡量在那個我們還是認為現在好像大家對我們的綠電已經感覺上好像有點是嫌惡設施我們當然會盡量去找到跟一般的居民\n能夠大家可以接受但是如果大家認為說光電這個不應該在台灣發展那我們就這樣會想到其他的方法啦那確實這個會對我們現在要馬上面臨RE100的這樣的一個實現\n我們會考慮很多在台灣我們有其他的方法包括我們用地熱或者我們用小水利不過這都不足以來滿足光電的部分光電我們還是會繼續再找只是很多的數據會讓我們做一個參考作為地點的一個選擇\n那所以未來如果像這樣子的一個離岸的光電廠你們要繼續測試的話那抗風的它這個抗風的係數有沒有辦法提高我認為如果它沒有辦法滿足這個這樣的一個需求因為可能那個風向的問題啦這一次我們從台南嘉義的那些風來看都是南北向的這個房子啊這個它被捲起來這個屋頂被捲起來\n大概都是這樣南北向那如果說你是東西向大概就沒有受災那是不是抗風係數的問題那未來有沒有辦法提高光電板的抗風係數這個我們都會從這個這一次的經驗裡面來做學習\n所以你還不知道我們會學習我想我們會跟這個我們是相信科學的人所以我們會從科學的角度裡面來解決這個問題因為我覺得就是經濟部應該就這個部分真的要通盤性的檢討我們因為有工業技術研究院所以我們工業技術研究院裡面也有綠能研究所\n他們會對這一次的現象那麼造成這些現象的原因我們會充分的研究好 我希望經濟部通盤的檢討因為畢竟這個能源的政策對於台灣來講是非常重要對於經濟發展也非常重要那如果沒有辦法走這一塊的時候我們必須要了解說下一步我們要怎麼樣做好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.779 --> 00:18.917\n好我們請召委謝一鳳質詢好謝謝主席我想要請我們農業部的陳部長陳部長\n\n00:23.667 --> 00:40.156\n陳部長我想請問這次的清源專案我們彰化縣農民申請的期間是從7月就是到7月25號為止但是現在申請的農民跟農地有多少\n\n00:40.996 --> 00:59.010\n那我知道在嘉義跟台南他們可以延後那因為現在災民都在救災在申報的期限上面是不是有辦法也給予災民跟台南嘉義一樣延後申報呢\n\n00:59.770 --> 01:13.891\n我跟委員說明就是救災跟我們的這些補助包括你剛才講到道座的清源那這個部分它不在救災的範圍所以它的沒有一些時間的限制然後第二個就是說救災的部分我們雖然說10天\n\n01:16.514 --> 01:36.253\n但是如果需要延長的時候可以延長五天啊這個地方政府我們每天幾乎都打電話給地方政府保持聯絡如果說他覺得他的案件太多需要延長的話我們會立即同意的這個我想請農民可以放心所以一級倒座的這個就是申報還有就是清源不在這個對這個沒有\n\n01:37.535 --> 01:53.349\n這個用專案的輔導的話那個時間我們都沒有所謂的截止日啦你只要有真正的去繳交有他的事實的話我們都會認不會說因為他時間到了就不處理不會因為7月21號到期那還沒有去申報就不處理是不是\n\n01:56.231 --> 02:13.602\n對你這樣講了要給農民清楚喔對我們會再去講清楚救助是一件事情這個是專門專門協助的部分就沒有時間的限制只要他有受災的時候就可以來申請因為我們水稻的面積是1800公頃是全國最大的一個部分而且將近那時候將近有20%還沒有收啦\n\n02:16.024 --> 02:30.484\n對我們我們那時候就是在委員的關心之下我們特別是把這個災害國也把它納入那這個部分在在漲化地區的農民都覺得很不錯的一個一個方法還有因為微怕微怕颱風也要來了那因為微怕颱風如果來的話那\n\n02:33.267 --> 02:59.648\n這樣子其實也會就是說延長因為我們還不知道他現在路徑的方向到底上岸的地點是為何那所以影響的範圍我們也不清楚的狀況之下也期望就是說對於農業的災損那這一次農業部可以給予更長的時間然後讓農民好好的清楚再加上二期稻作未來\n\n03:00.729 --> 03:22.398\n怎麼樣子進行如果目前清源以及就是沒有辦法清除現在在上面受損的這些稻作的話那有可能二期稻作沒有辦法順利那這樣怎麼怎麼做呢我想我們是希望說他如果是受災的這些穀他可以清源的部分他直接可以拿掉然後他還來得及二期做\n\n03:22.958 --> 03:43.994\n那如果說現在快要收貨的話我們都希望說他能夠來得及二級座如果來不及二級座的部分的時候那相對的我們有二級座的這些轉座的誘因是可以來支持的好好謝謝那請你請回我想要請交通部陳次長還有內政部的董事長\n\n03:50.353 --> 04:19.299\n我請問兩位來委員會報告因為這一次的災損很多都涉及到房屋還有車輛的這個部分喔那其實喔上一次在報這個災損的時候大家都感受到非常的不方便那請問這一次怎麼樣子協助災民在申請災損災害的這些救助的時候內政部跟交通部能夠重塑啊是不是先請內政部啊\n\n04:22.090 --> 04:43.770\n那我想內政部已經在行政院的指示之下我們已經透過在7月18號透過專案的方式補助那麼整個災損的方式我們就是依照院長的指示重寬重塑重寬重塑的方式來處理所以我們就是在那個破損的範圍在6到30坪之內我們就是馬上就是給你補貼\n\n04:44.751 --> 05:07.937\n那60坪以上我們也就是另外一個金額的補貼而且我們是以居住事實作為現況的認定那每戶來做一個快速的補助那由地方政府來統籌由帶一窗口來運作這樣子其實在台南市已經就完成了相關的一個房屋的登記而且我們不是只有屋頂包括外牆的損毀還有一些相關的居住的狀況的損毀我們都有全部的保護\n\n05:11.078 --> 05:15.331\n那除了嘉義之外除了台南在嘉義縣也是一致那災區也都認定了\n\n05:16.479 --> 05:35.430\n我相信這次雖然比較嚴重的就是南部那大家都是人機幾機人力幾力希望說內政部跟交通部對於相關的這樣子的災民的補助一定要從寬從簡不要是只是政策性的宣布沒有沒有我們全都已經直接下去跟公所直接對接了對好那你們兩個請回我們請經濟部長謝謝\n\n05:49.997 --> 06:09.607\n郭部長這一次我們看到屏東的這個旭東光電這個他在測試離岸光電浮板的這個系統海上的耐受性那我們看到了這一次明顯的嚴重\n\n06:10.856 --> 06:31.449\n是怎麼樣沒有辦法承受這個風災那未來離岸的光電還能做嗎你離岸光電沒有辦法做的話你怎麼做這是整個能源政策的問題啊你趕快回答是報告委員我想我們也在對這一次的這個颱風造成這樣的這個這個屏東的這個佳東這個地方的這個這個怎麼講他承載的這個\n\n06:40.915 --> 06:59.112\n結構承載的部分然後會變成漂流我非常訝異因為在去年三個比這個颱風更嚴重它也是存在的它沒問題為什麼這一次颱風會有問題所以我們大概在做研究也就是必須要長期的觀察\n\n06:59.853 --> 07:13.450\n所以我當然這個是給我們一個非常好的一個學習那為什麼去年可以為什麼今年會有這個問題所以在做研究不會說只做這個幾個月啊或者是所以他會有一個長期的研究這一點跟委員報告那所以\n\n07:16.772 --> 07:29.008\n你們在太陽能光電這一塊上面如果離岸風電現在沒有辦法繼續做的話我是說如果他的抗壓就是抗風的能力不足的情況下\n\n07:30.205 --> 07:49.291\n妳要多久的時間確定它有沒有辦法繼續做而目前我們知道現在即便是農地都拿來做光電其實我們也發現了根本不合我們所需的綠電的需求是不是那\n\n07:50.131 --> 08:11.658\n你要怎麼做報告委員我們現在這個農地來做這個綠電的部分大部分就是農農漁來做了就底下做這個養殖然後上面做這個太陽能那大概這是一種另外一種我們會找的就底下沒有養殖大概就是不堪這個農作的地\n\n08:13.859 --> 08:36.816\n這個我們要盤點但全台灣還有一些它這個土地就是不能夠給種植所用我們盡量在那個我們還是認為現在好像大家對我們的綠電已經感覺上好像有點是嫌惡設施我們當然會盡量去找到跟一般的居民\n\n08:38.097 --> 08:47.625\n能夠大家可以接受但是如果大家認為說光電這個不應該在台灣發展那我們就這樣會想到其他的方法啦那確實這個會對我們現在要馬上面臨RE100的這樣的一個實現\n\n08:54.951 --> 09:11.550\n我們會考慮很多在台灣我們有其他的方法包括我們用地熱或者我們用小水利不過這都不足以來滿足光電的部分光電我們還是會繼續再找只是很多的數據會讓我們做一個參考作為地點的一個選擇\n\n09:16.115 --> 09:43.222\n那所以未來如果像這樣子的一個離岸的光電廠你們要繼續測試的話那抗風的它這個抗風的係數有沒有辦法提高我認為如果它沒有辦法滿足這個這樣的一個需求因為可能那個風向的問題啦這一次我們從台南嘉義的那些風來看都是南北向的這個房子啊這個它被捲起來這個屋頂被捲起來\n\n09:45.362 --> 09:56.891\n大概都是這樣南北向那如果說你是東西向大概就沒有受災那是不是抗風係數的問題那未來有沒有辦法提高光電板的抗風係數這個我們都會從這個這一次的經驗裡面來做學習\n\n10:00.069 --> 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