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00:00:36,516\n市長跟主委現在極端氣候四面尤其像這樣的一個牆台豪雨的這個衝擊對人民生活影響非常的大那在整個災情期間我想不管是電力的恢復飲食的提供以及電信的暢通是災民\n\n3\n00:00:37,256 --> 00:00:50,127\n最期望能夠迅速能夠政府能夠處理的但是我們看到當那次颱風啊在7月6號登陸之後有1322座的基地台受到損害有2800根的電纜受損那\n\n4\n00:00:53,630 --> 00:01:17,080\n我們看到基地台因為天線的偏移倒塌或者是相關附掛於電感的這些通訊設施因為電線感倒塌受到損害那整個災區的電路大概是在災後的第16天才全部的一個基本的恢復但是在災後的14到24天將近一個月的期間整個通訊的品質\n\n5\n00:01:22,982 --> 00:01:30,909\n還是因為常常頻繁的斷訊網路不穩或者是有線電視停播的這種狀況造成這種通訊孤島的狀況對人民的這個生活衝擊非常的大塑化部跟NCC責任非常的重大\n\n6\n00:01:42,401 --> 00:02:00,402\n我現在請教一下我們現在除了要讓這些基地台重新的建置恢復搶修之外我們主要的處理這種臨時的大量的通訊的斷訊塑化部還有什麼處理的方案嗎來說明一下\n\n7\n00:02:03,712 --> 00:02:26,626\n報告委員在這一次的救災蘇發部這邊最主要是調度28台有低軌衛星的行動基地車在災害應變中心總共有106台行動基地台車是由NCC跟蘇發部統籌來調度這裡面因為我們判斷災害的原因有\n\n8\n00:02:27,426 --> 00:02:54,540\n有一半是電一半是網路那所以這時候這30台有低軌衛星還有10台有這個同步衛星的車子變得非常重要市長我們對於這樣一個電訊的恢復主要還是在臨時的處置還是有三大方向的第一個當然是臨時行動臨時基地台的建置但臨時基地台的建置它的覆蓋率還是會有個問題\n\n9\n00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:17,869\n那接下來就是行動集體台車還有衛星通訊車但是我們的行動集體台車跟衛星通訊車數量是明顯的不足啦這是一個很重要的問題在整個災情的期間那如果災民無法在通訊方面保持基本的暢通的話\n\n10\n00:03:18,669 --> 00:03:46,491\n他們對於國家重要的即時資訊氣象資訊還有相關的重要的訊息等等生活的訊息等等都完全無法掌握這對人民的生活憧憬非常的大那我們來看我們的行動基地台車它是可以暫時的恢復相關通訊的重要的功能那行動基地台車中華電信有50輛\n\n11\n00:03:48,046 --> 00:04:06,343\n台客大有32輛那遠傳有24輛那行動機綠台車當然比較適合在電線桿斷裂但是光線仍然通行的這樣的一個狀況下來做使用那衛星通訊車中華電信台客大遠傳各有10輛那\n\n12\n00:04:08,208 --> 00:04:29,444\n更能夠支援整片的這種骨幹網路在癱瘓的一個時刻他們都是有重要的一個功能但是啊數量不夠而且要買這樣的一個行動經濟台車或尤其是衛星通訊車它費用比較高費用比較高來市長你了解的狀況說明一下\n\n13\n00:04:31,704 --> 00:04:55,630\n跟委員報告就是說衛星通信車的部分呢那以我們現在看到的每一個建置費用大概要1150萬到1500萬因為它包含它的車體啦電力設備改裝工程單單這個部分大概就要600萬那你還有5G的基地台設備啦資安設備運輸設備也要大概400到800那低軌衛星的中端設備也大概要150\n\n14\n00:05:00,931 --> 00:05:22,211\n整體的這種建置的費用就大概1,150萬到1,550萬左右那這種相關的我們政府要去督促業者來負起社會責任添夠必要的這些衛星通信車那政府除了這樣的一個督促的\n\n15\n00:05:23,924 --> 00:05:35,652\n這樣的一個責任之外也不能只是消極的等待業者去擔負這樣的社會責任我們政府能不能有積極的一個做法或者是我們會不會去討論我們針對相關的衛星通信車\n\n16\n00:05:39,534 --> 00:06:05,197\n在硬體來給予跟業者合作或者是在軟體的部分來跟他們給予合作不管是車體通信設備這些資安設備等等來說明一下市長我們有什麼規劃嗎跟委員報告第一個就是說我們在第五期的前瞻計畫已經有規劃就是在今年的下半年三家業者各會增加三台那總共九台全新的車子\n\n17\n00:06:06,218 --> 00:06:25,009\n那再來呢剛剛委員的投影片裡面有提到有一些行動基地台車是沒有衛星的大概有106台這裡面有一定的比例是沒有衛星的那我們也會在前瞻計畫補助他先把衛星的支架裝起來那如果我們在救災的時候有\n\n18\n00:06:25,649 --> 00:06:42,127\n有其他的衛星接收器可以調度就可以很快的裝到這些車子上面去這些相關的時程都必須如期如止而且希望能夠盡快的提早完成那相關的我們在這一次的這些通訊設備的恢復過程裡面\n\n19\n00:06:44,790 --> 00:07:05,155\n其實在丹納斯風災期間我們是可以看到中華電信的恢復比較快那遠傳跟台客大是比較慢這也不是說遠傳跟台客大他們相關的這種恢復能力他們的意願不高也不是因為中華電信啊他\n\n20\n00:07:05,875 --> 00:07:34,557\n相關的在一些重要的工友監務它的電力的供應部分因為跟台電的這些配合啊他們也是比較早成立的這種中華電信是比較早的一個電信公司而且是以前具有這種官方的性質所以在電力的供應部分啊他們能夠比較快的一個恢復因為我們知道這種電力中斷啊你有沒有備援電力這個非常重要啊\n\n21\n00:07:35,017 --> 00:07:49,578\n因為多數的機率台雖然配有UPS發電機但是你只能續航幾個小時而已如果主電源沒有恢復發電機供油中斷通訊就立即中斷\n\n22\n00:07:51,628 --> 00:08:15,119\n剛才中華電信在報告的過程裡面他們希望能夠跟台電更加的合作能夠在相關的經濟台的合作能夠數量更多中華電信已經是最多了那遠傳跟台客大我們也必須要來協助不只是台電而且是相關的工友建物我們如何來協調這些開放因為也是在偏鄉相關的這些\n\n23\n00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:33,392\n地區更應該在救渣的這種過程裡面要扮演重要的一個協助的角色來說明一下這個NCC說明一下文說得非常專業這個在公有建物提供成熟來\n\n24\n00:08:34,193 --> 00:08:53,258\n供業者來設置這塊是大概從由院長時期開始持續推動我們上禮拜才進行頒獎這部分我們會加強力道持續來推進那另外也補充那三家電信業者因為體質上不一樣中華電信早期是綜合網路業者所以他有很多的那個中計局還有機房\n\n25\n00:08:53,658 --> 00:09:13,326\n所以它在這個本身的一些站台上的的制高點或者電力的供應上會比另外兩家好另外兩家很多都是民宅部分所以在電力還沒恢復前另外兩家的復原能力會比較稍微慢一點好雖然在基地台設置的相關使用管理辦法第14條第15條都有規定公共場域應該優先來控告那管理區管\n\n26\n00:09:19,229 --> 00:09:36,346\n不得沒有正當的理由來拒絕但是其實相關的公交部分都是比較消極因為我們除了地方政府同意也要經過安全的一些檢驗還有警官的一些考量等等其實這種地方政府配合意願都不高\n\n27\n00:09:37,186 --> 00:09:52,942\n這個NCC應該針對這些不管是消防派出所相關所比較偏向這些地區必須要盡力的來去做協調主動的積極的來協調這是一個重要的方向那最後時間的關係\n\n28\n00:09:55,305 --> 00:10:11,753\n我來請教一下除了臨時的基地台除了行動基地台車除了衛星通訊車這三個臨時的處置的方式之外那漫遊可不可行\n\n29\n00:10:13,566 --> 00:10:25,776\n國際漫遊可不可行因為中華電信有這個設備跟能力啊當然費用是一個要考慮的問題費用會比較高那費用如何來做處理或是技術的問題有沒有問題來說明一下\n\n30\n00:10:29,406 --> 00:10:39,919\n我們這邊這個問題大概是在平時轉暫時暫時的這個漫遊部分國內漫遊國內漫遊基礎上一定都沒問題那社會部也做過了那個POC的試驗\n\n31\n00:10:43,463 --> 00:10:55,349\n對於這個非特殊時期的一些蔓延目前法制上是有這個空間那我上禮拜也跟內政部的部長有聯繫過了我們明天就會找內政部跟數位部來開會來協調延伸這塊機制\n\n32\n00:10:59,071 --> 00:11:15,796\n跟業者來協調政府各部門之間的協調跟業者協調必須在技術可行而且是合理的費用那相關的經費來源是不是我們也來考慮使用普及服務基金這個部分來相關的支援\n\n33\n00:11:16,996 --> 00:11:36,545\n這個在國內漫遊在這樣的一個不管是我們剛才講的臨時的集體台或是行動集體台車或是衛星通訊車之外國內漫遊的方式也是來處理一個臨時通訊緊急應用的一個重要的方向來那個次長你說明一下\n\n34\n00:11:38,203 --> 00:11:39,845\n根據救災還有緊急動員的法律這些漫遊的費用是必須比如說在動員時期電信管理法裡面有規定\n\n35\n00:11:55,485 --> 00:12:19,371\n這些費用衍生的費用必須由國家來負擔那能不能用普及基金來處理的這個我們會回去討論因為普及基金本身是業者的錢那我們也必須回去盤點這個法律就是說在普及基金裡面的條例裡面有沒有能不能處理漫遊那目前在平時的漫遊是用商業機制來處理那救災的時候能不能用\n\n36\n00:12:21,331 --> 00:12:36,501\n行政命令跟政府的錢來處理這個我們會回去研議要盡快的提出相關對應的政策那我在這邊再提醒兩位極端氣候的肆虐這種強台豪雨的侵襲\n\n37\n00:12:38,323 --> 00:13:06,483\n會越來越常見那對於國人生命財產的保障我講過不管是電力飲食還有通訊的一個基本的暢通都是我們政府最重要的基本責任那我們也希望你們盡快的針對相關的行動基地台車衛星通訊車以及臨時基地台的建置的能力以及相關的數量以及相關的漫遊的這個部分\n\n38\n00:13:07,364 --> 00:13:13,248\n政策的一個推動跟執行我們都希望再看到具體的這樣的一個目標跟成績出來好謝謝李坤哲委員的執行\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3465\t9942\t謝謝昭偉 請一下蘇阿布 薛市長還有NCC陳大理主委\n16987\t36516\t市長跟主委現在極端氣候四面尤其像這樣的一個牆台豪雨的這個衝擊對人民生活影響非常的大那在整個災情期間我想不管是電力的恢復飲食的提供以及電信的暢通是災民\n37256\t50127\t最期望能夠迅速能夠政府能夠處理的但是我們看到當那次颱風啊在7月6號登陸之後有1322座的基地台受到損害有2800根的電纜受損那\n53630\t77080\t我們看到基地台因為天線的偏移倒塌或者是相關附掛於電感的這些通訊設施因為電線感倒塌受到損害那整個災區的電路大概是在災後的第16天才全部的一個基本的恢復但是在災後的14到24天將近一個月的期間整個通訊的品質\n82982\t90909\t還是因為常常頻繁的斷訊網路不穩或者是有線電視停播的這種狀況造成這種通訊孤島的狀況對人民的這個生活衝擊非常的大塑化部跟NCC責任非常的重大\n102401\t120402\t我現在請教一下我們現在除了要讓這些基地台重新的建置恢復搶修之外我們主要的處理這種臨時的大量的通訊的斷訊塑化部還有什麼處理的方案嗎 來說明一下\n123712\t146626\t報告委員 在這一次的救災蘇發部這邊最主要是調度28台有低軌衛星的行動基地車在災害應變中心總共有106台行動基地台車是由NCC跟蘇發部統籌來調度這裡面因為我們判斷災害的原因有\n147426\t174540\t有一半是電一半是網路那所以這時候這30台有低軌衛星還有10台有這個同步衛星的車子變得非常重要市長我們對於這樣一個電訊的恢復主要還是在臨時的處置還是有三大方向的第一個當然是臨時行動臨時基地台的建置但臨時基地台的建置它的覆蓋率還是會有個問題\n175680\t197869\t那接下來就是行動集體台車還有衛星通訊車但是我們的行動集體台車跟衛星通訊車數量是明顯的不足啦這是一個很重要的問題在整個災情的期間那如果災民無法在通訊方面保持基本的暢通的話\n198669\t226491\t他們對於國家重要的即時資訊氣象資訊還有相關的重要的訊息等等生活的訊息等等都完全無法掌握這對人民的生活憧憬非常的大那我們來看我們的行動基地台車它是可以暫時的恢復相關通訊的重要的功能那行動基地台車中華電信有50輛\n228046\t246343\t台客大有32輛那遠傳有24輛那行動機綠台車當然比較適合在電線桿斷裂但是光線仍然通行的這樣的一個狀況下來做使用那衛星通訊車中華電信台客大遠傳各有10輛那\n248208\t269444\t更能夠支援整片的這種骨幹網路在癱瘓的一個時刻他們都是有重要的一個功能但是啊數量不夠而且要買這樣的一個行動經濟台車或尤其是衛星通訊車它費用比較高費用比較高來市長你了解的狀況說明一下\n271704\t295630\t跟委員報告就是說衛星通信車的部分呢那以我們現在看到的每一個建置費用大概要1150萬到1500萬因為它包含它的車體啦電力設備改裝工程單單這個部分大概就要600萬那你還有5G的基地台設備啦資安設備運輸設備也要大概400到800那低軌衛星的中端設備也大概要150\n300931\t322211\t整體的這種建置的費用就大概1,150萬到1,550萬左右那這種相關的我們政府要去督促業者來負起社會責任添夠必要的這些衛星通信車那政府除了這樣的一個督促的\n323924\t335652\t這樣的一個責任之外也不能只是消極的等待業者去擔負這樣的社會責任我們政府能不能有積極的一個做法或者是我們會不會去討論我們針對相關的衛星通信車\n339534\t365197\t在硬體來給予跟業者合作或者是在軟體的部分來跟他們給予合作不管是車體通信設備這些資安設備等等來說明一下市長我們有什麼規劃嗎跟委員報告第一個就是說我們在第五期的前瞻計畫已經有規劃就是在今年的下半年三家業者各會增加三台那總共九台全新的車子\n366218\t385009\t那再來呢剛剛委員的投影片裡面有提到有一些行動基地台車是沒有衛星的大概有106台這裡面有一定的比例是沒有衛星的那我們也會在前瞻計畫補助他先把衛星的支架裝起來那如果我們在救災的時候有\n385649\t402127\t有其他的衛星接收器可以調度就可以很快的裝到這些車子上面去這些相關的時程都必須如期如止而且希望能夠盡快的提早完成那相關的我們在這一次的這些通訊設備的恢復過程裡面\n404790\t425155\t其實在丹納斯風災期間我們是可以看到中華電信的恢復比較快那遠傳跟台客大是比較慢這也不是說遠傳跟台客大他們相關的這種恢復能力他們的意願不高也不是因為中華電信啊他\n425875\t454557\t相關的在一些重要的工友監務它的電力的供應部分因為跟台電的這些配合啊他們也是比較早成立的這種中華電信是比較早的一個電信公司而且是以前具有這種官方的性質所以在電力的供應部分啊他們能夠比較快的一個恢復因為我們知道這種電力中斷啊你有沒有備援電力這個非常重要啊\n455017\t469578\t因為多數的機率台雖然配有UPS發電機但是你只能續航幾個小時而已如果主電源沒有恢復發電機供油中斷通訊就立即中斷\n471628\t495119\t剛才中華電信在報告的過程裡面他們希望能夠跟台電更加的合作能夠在相關的經濟台的合作能夠數量更多中華電信已經是最多了那遠傳跟台客大我們也必須要來協助不只是台電而且是相關的工友建物我們如何來協調這些開放因為也是在偏鄉相關的這些\n497580\t513392\t地區更應該在救渣的這種過程裡面要扮演重要的一個協助的角色來說明一下這個NCC說明一下文說得非常專業這個在公有建物提供成熟來\n514193\t533258\t供業者來設置這塊是大概從由院長時期開始持續推動我們上禮拜才進行頒獎這部分我們會加強力道持續來推進那另外也補充那三家電信業者因為體質上不一樣中華電信早期是綜合網路業者所以他有很多的那個中計局還有機房\n533658\t553326\t所以它在這個本身的一些站台上的的制高點或者電力的供應上會比另外兩家好另外兩家很多都是民宅部分所以在電力還沒恢復前另外兩家的復原能力會比較稍微慢一點好 雖然在基地台設置的相關使用管理辦法第14條第15條都有規定公共場域應該優先來控告那管理區管\n559229\t576346\t不得沒有正當的理由來拒絕但是其實相關的公交部分都是比較消極因為我們除了地方政府同意也要經過安全的一些檢驗還有警官的一些考量等等其實這種地方政府配合意願都不高\n577186\t592942\t這個NCC應該針對這些不管是消防派出所 相關所比較偏向這些地區必須要盡力的來去做協調主動的 積極的來協調這是一個重要的方向那最後時間的關係\n595305\t611753\t我來請教一下除了臨時的基地台除了行動基地台車除了衛星通訊車這三個臨時的處置的方式之外那漫遊可不可行\n613566\t625776\t國際漫遊可不可行因為中華電信有這個設備跟能力啊當然費用是一個要考慮的問題費用會比較高那費用如何來做處理或是技術的問題有沒有問題來說明一下\n629406\t639919\t我們這邊這個問題大概是在平時轉暫時 暫時的這個漫遊部分國內漫遊 國內漫遊基礎上一定都沒問題那社會部也做過了那個POC的試驗\n643463\t655349\t對於這個非特殊時期的一些蔓延目前法制上是有這個空間那我上禮拜也跟內政部的部長有聯繫過了我們明天就會找內政部跟數位部來開會來協調延伸這塊機制\n659071\t675796\t跟業者來協調政府各部門之間的協調跟業者協調必須在技術可行而且是合理的費用那相關的經費來源是不是我們也來考慮使用普及服務基金這個部分來相關的支援\n676996\t696545\t這個在國內漫遊在這樣的一個不管是我們剛才講的臨時的集體台或是行動集體台車或是衛星通訊車之外國內漫遊的方式也是來處理一個臨時通訊緊急應用的一個重要的方向來那個次長你說明一下\n698203\t699845\t根據救災還有緊急動員的法律這些漫遊的費用是必須比如說在動員時期電信管理法裡面有規定\n715485\t739371\t這些費用衍生的費用必須由國家來負擔那能不能用普及基金來處理的這個我們會回去討論因為普及基金本身是業者的錢那我們也必須回去盤點這個法律就是說在普及基金裡面的條例裡面有沒有能不能處理漫遊那目前在平時的漫遊是用商業機制來處理那救災的時候能不能用\n741331\t756501\t行政命令跟政府的錢來處理這個我們會回去研議要盡快的提出相關對應的政策那我在這邊再提醒兩位極端氣候的肆虐這種強台豪雨的侵襲\n758323\t786483\t會越來越常見那對於國人生命財產的保障我講過不管是電力飲食還有通訊的一個基本的暢通都是我們政府最重要的基本責任那我們也希望你們盡快的針對相關的行動基地台車衛星通訊車以及臨時基地台的建置的能力以及相關的數量以及相關的漫遊的這個部分\n787364\t793248\t政策的一個推動跟執行我們都希望再看到具體的這樣的一個目標跟成績出來好謝謝李坤哲委員的執行\n","txt":"謝謝昭偉 請一下蘇阿布 薛市長還有NCC陳大理主委\n市長跟主委現在極端氣候四面尤其像這樣的一個牆台豪雨的這個衝擊對人民生活影響非常的大那在整個災情期間我想不管是電力的恢復飲食的提供以及電信的暢通是災民\n最期望能夠迅速能夠政府能夠處理的但是我們看到當那次颱風啊在7月6號登陸之後有1322座的基地台受到損害有2800根的電纜受損那\n我們看到基地台因為天線的偏移倒塌或者是相關附掛於電感的這些通訊設施因為電線感倒塌受到損害那整個災區的電路大概是在災後的第16天才全部的一個基本的恢復但是在災後的14到24天將近一個月的期間整個通訊的品質\n還是因為常常頻繁的斷訊網路不穩或者是有線電視停播的這種狀況造成這種通訊孤島的狀況對人民的這個生活衝擊非常的大塑化部跟NCC責任非常的重大\n我現在請教一下我們現在除了要讓這些基地台重新的建置恢復搶修之外我們主要的處理這種臨時的大量的通訊的斷訊塑化部還有什麼處理的方案嗎 來說明一下\n報告委員 在這一次的救災蘇發部這邊最主要是調度28台有低軌衛星的行動基地車在災害應變中心總共有106台行動基地台車是由NCC跟蘇發部統籌來調度這裡面因為我們判斷災害的原因有\n有一半是電一半是網路那所以這時候這30台有低軌衛星還有10台有這個同步衛星的車子變得非常重要市長我們對於這樣一個電訊的恢復主要還是在臨時的處置還是有三大方向的第一個當然是臨時行動臨時基地台的建置但臨時基地台的建置它的覆蓋率還是會有個問題\n那接下來就是行動集體台車還有衛星通訊車但是我們的行動集體台車跟衛星通訊車數量是明顯的不足啦這是一個很重要的問題在整個災情的期間那如果災民無法在通訊方面保持基本的暢通的話\n他們對於國家重要的即時資訊氣象資訊還有相關的重要的訊息等等生活的訊息等等都完全無法掌握這對人民的生活憧憬非常的大那我們來看我們的行動基地台車它是可以暫時的恢復相關通訊的重要的功能那行動基地台車中華電信有50輛\n台客大有32輛那遠傳有24輛那行動機綠台車當然比較適合在電線桿斷裂但是光線仍然通行的這樣的一個狀況下來做使用那衛星通訊車中華電信台客大遠傳各有10輛那\n更能夠支援整片的這種骨幹網路在癱瘓的一個時刻他們都是有重要的一個功能但是啊數量不夠而且要買這樣的一個行動經濟台車或尤其是衛星通訊車它費用比較高費用比較高來市長你了解的狀況說明一下\n跟委員報告就是說衛星通信車的部分呢那以我們現在看到的每一個建置費用大概要1150萬到1500萬因為它包含它的車體啦電力設備改裝工程單單這個部分大概就要600萬那你還有5G的基地台設備啦資安設備運輸設備也要大概400到800那低軌衛星的中端設備也大概要150\n整體的這種建置的費用就大概1,150萬到1,550萬左右那這種相關的我們政府要去督促業者來負起社會責任添夠必要的這些衛星通信車那政府除了這樣的一個督促的\n這樣的一個責任之外也不能只是消極的等待業者去擔負這樣的社會責任我們政府能不能有積極的一個做法或者是我們會不會去討論我們針對相關的衛星通信車\n在硬體來給予跟業者合作或者是在軟體的部分來跟他們給予合作不管是車體通信設備這些資安設備等等來說明一下市長我們有什麼規劃嗎跟委員報告第一個就是說我們在第五期的前瞻計畫已經有規劃就是在今年的下半年三家業者各會增加三台那總共九台全新的車子\n那再來呢剛剛委員的投影片裡面有提到有一些行動基地台車是沒有衛星的大概有106台這裡面有一定的比例是沒有衛星的那我們也會在前瞻計畫補助他先把衛星的支架裝起來那如果我們在救災的時候有\n有其他的衛星接收器可以調度就可以很快的裝到這些車子上面去這些相關的時程都必須如期如止而且希望能夠盡快的提早完成那相關的我們在這一次的這些通訊設備的恢復過程裡面\n其實在丹納斯風災期間我們是可以看到中華電信的恢復比較快那遠傳跟台客大是比較慢這也不是說遠傳跟台客大他們相關的這種恢復能力他們的意願不高也不是因為中華電信啊他\n相關的在一些重要的工友監務它的電力的供應部分因為跟台電的這些配合啊他們也是比較早成立的這種中華電信是比較早的一個電信公司而且是以前具有這種官方的性質所以在電力的供應部分啊他們能夠比較快的一個恢復因為我們知道這種電力中斷啊你有沒有備援電力這個非常重要啊\n因為多數的機率台雖然配有UPS發電機但是你只能續航幾個小時而已如果主電源沒有恢復發電機供油中斷通訊就立即中斷\n剛才中華電信在報告的過程裡面他們希望能夠跟台電更加的合作能夠在相關的經濟台的合作能夠數量更多中華電信已經是最多了那遠傳跟台客大我們也必須要來協助不只是台電而且是相關的工友建物我們如何來協調這些開放因為也是在偏鄉相關的這些\n地區更應該在救渣的這種過程裡面要扮演重要的一個協助的角色來說明一下這個NCC說明一下文說得非常專業這個在公有建物提供成熟來\n供業者來設置這塊是大概從由院長時期開始持續推動我們上禮拜才進行頒獎這部分我們會加強力道持續來推進那另外也補充那三家電信業者因為體質上不一樣中華電信早期是綜合網路業者所以他有很多的那個中計局還有機房\n所以它在這個本身的一些站台上的的制高點或者電力的供應上會比另外兩家好另外兩家很多都是民宅部分所以在電力還沒恢復前另外兩家的復原能力會比較稍微慢一點好 雖然在基地台設置的相關使用管理辦法第14條第15條都有規定公共場域應該優先來控告那管理區管\n不得沒有正當的理由來拒絕但是其實相關的公交部分都是比較消極因為我們除了地方政府同意也要經過安全的一些檢驗還有警官的一些考量等等其實這種地方政府配合意願都不高\n這個NCC應該針對這些不管是消防派出所 相關所比較偏向這些地區必須要盡力的來去做協調主動的 積極的來協調這是一個重要的方向那最後時間的關係\n我來請教一下除了臨時的基地台除了行動基地台車除了衛星通訊車這三個臨時的處置的方式之外那漫遊可不可行\n國際漫遊可不可行因為中華電信有這個設備跟能力啊當然費用是一個要考慮的問題費用會比較高那費用如何來做處理或是技術的問題有沒有問題來說明一下\n我們這邊這個問題大概是在平時轉暫時 暫時的這個漫遊部分國內漫遊 國內漫遊基礎上一定都沒問題那社會部也做過了那個POC的試驗\n對於這個非特殊時期的一些蔓延目前法制上是有這個空間那我上禮拜也跟內政部的部長有聯繫過了我們明天就會找內政部跟數位部來開會來協調延伸這塊機制\n跟業者來協調政府各部門之間的協調跟業者協調必須在技術可行而且是合理的費用那相關的經費來源是不是我們也來考慮使用普及服務基金這個部分來相關的支援\n這個在國內漫遊在這樣的一個不管是我們剛才講的臨時的集體台或是行動集體台車或是衛星通訊車之外國內漫遊的方式也是來處理一個臨時通訊緊急應用的一個重要的方向來那個次長你說明一下\n根據救災還有緊急動員的法律這些漫遊的費用是必須比如說在動員時期電信管理法裡面有規定\n這些費用衍生的費用必須由國家來負擔那能不能用普及基金來處理的這個我們會回去討論因為普及基金本身是業者的錢那我們也必須回去盤點這個法律就是說在普及基金裡面的條例裡面有沒有能不能處理漫遊那目前在平時的漫遊是用商業機制來處理那救災的時候能不能用\n行政命令跟政府的錢來處理這個我們會回去研議要盡快的提出相關對應的政策那我在這邊再提醒兩位極端氣候的肆虐這種強台豪雨的侵襲\n會越來越常見那對於國人生命財產的保障我講過不管是電力飲食還有通訊的一個基本的暢通都是我們政府最重要的基本責任那我們也希望你們盡快的針對相關的行動基地台車衛星通訊車以及臨時基地台的建置的能力以及相關的數量以及相關的漫遊的這個部分\n政策的一個推動跟執行我們都希望再看到具體的這樣的一個目標跟成績出來好謝謝李坤哲委員的執行\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.465 --> 00:09.942\n謝謝昭偉請一下蘇阿布薛市長還有NCC陳大理主委\n\n00:16.987 --> 00:36.516\n市長跟主委現在極端氣候四面尤其像這樣的一個牆台豪雨的這個衝擊對人民生活影響非常的大那在整個災情期間我想不管是電力的恢復飲食的提供以及電信的暢通是災民\n\n00:37.256 --> 00:50.127\n最期望能夠迅速能夠政府能夠處理的但是我們看到當那次颱風啊在7月6號登陸之後有1322座的基地台受到損害有2800根的電纜受損那\n\n00:53.630 --> 01:17.080\n我們看到基地台因為天線的偏移倒塌或者是相關附掛於電感的這些通訊設施因為電線感倒塌受到損害那整個災區的電路大概是在災後的第16天才全部的一個基本的恢復但是在災後的14到24天將近一個月的期間整個通訊的品質\n\n01:22.982 --> 01:30.909\n還是因為常常頻繁的斷訊網路不穩或者是有線電視停播的這種狀況造成這種通訊孤島的狀況對人民的這個生活衝擊非常的大塑化部跟NCC責任非常的重大\n\n01:42.401 --> 02:00.402\n我現在請教一下我們現在除了要讓這些基地台重新的建置恢復搶修之外我們主要的處理這種臨時的大量的通訊的斷訊塑化部還有什麼處理的方案嗎來說明一下\n\n02:03.712 --> 02:26.626\n報告委員在這一次的救災蘇發部這邊最主要是調度28台有低軌衛星的行動基地車在災害應變中心總共有106台行動基地台車是由NCC跟蘇發部統籌來調度這裡面因為我們判斷災害的原因有\n\n02:27.426 --> 02:54.540\n有一半是電一半是網路那所以這時候這30台有低軌衛星還有10台有這個同步衛星的車子變得非常重要市長我們對於這樣一個電訊的恢復主要還是在臨時的處置還是有三大方向的第一個當然是臨時行動臨時基地台的建置但臨時基地台的建置它的覆蓋率還是會有個問題\n\n02:55.680 --> 03:17.869\n那接下來就是行動集體台車還有衛星通訊車但是我們的行動集體台車跟衛星通訊車數量是明顯的不足啦這是一個很重要的問題在整個災情的期間那如果災民無法在通訊方面保持基本的暢通的話\n\n03:18.669 --> 03:46.491\n他們對於國家重要的即時資訊氣象資訊還有相關的重要的訊息等等生活的訊息等等都完全無法掌握這對人民的生活憧憬非常的大那我們來看我們的行動基地台車它是可以暫時的恢復相關通訊的重要的功能那行動基地台車中華電信有50輛\n\n03:48.046 --> 04:06.343\n台客大有32輛那遠傳有24輛那行動機綠台車當然比較適合在電線桿斷裂但是光線仍然通行的這樣的一個狀況下來做使用那衛星通訊車中華電信台客大遠傳各有10輛那\n\n04:08.208 --> 04:29.444\n更能夠支援整片的這種骨幹網路在癱瘓的一個時刻他們都是有重要的一個功能但是啊數量不夠而且要買這樣的一個行動經濟台車或尤其是衛星通訊車它費用比較高費用比較高來市長你了解的狀況說明一下\n\n04:31.704 --> 04:55.630\n跟委員報告就是說衛星通信車的部分呢那以我們現在看到的每一個建置費用大概要1150萬到1500萬因為它包含它的車體啦電力設備改裝工程單單這個部分大概就要600萬那你還有5G的基地台設備啦資安設備運輸設備也要大概400到800那低軌衛星的中端設備也大概要150\n\n05:00.931 --> 05:22.211\n整體的這種建置的費用就大概1,150萬到1,550萬左右那這種相關的我們政府要去督促業者來負起社會責任添夠必要的這些衛星通信車那政府除了這樣的一個督促的\n\n05:23.924 --> 05:35.652\n這樣的一個責任之外也不能只是消極的等待業者去擔負這樣的社會責任我們政府能不能有積極的一個做法或者是我們會不會去討論我們針對相關的衛星通信車\n\n05:39.534 --> 06:05.197\n在硬體來給予跟業者合作或者是在軟體的部分來跟他們給予合作不管是車體通信設備這些資安設備等等來說明一下市長我們有什麼規劃嗎跟委員報告第一個就是說我們在第五期的前瞻計畫已經有規劃就是在今年的下半年三家業者各會增加三台那總共九台全新的車子\n\n06:06.218 --> 06:25.009\n那再來呢剛剛委員的投影片裡面有提到有一些行動基地台車是沒有衛星的大概有106台這裡面有一定的比例是沒有衛星的那我們也會在前瞻計畫補助他先把衛星的支架裝起來那如果我們在救災的時候有\n\n06:25.649 --> 06:42.127\n有其他的衛星接收器可以調度就可以很快的裝到這些車子上面去這些相關的時程都必須如期如止而且希望能夠盡快的提早完成那相關的我們在這一次的這些通訊設備的恢復過程裡面\n\n06:44.790 --> 07:05.155\n其實在丹納斯風災期間我們是可以看到中華電信的恢復比較快那遠傳跟台客大是比較慢這也不是說遠傳跟台客大他們相關的這種恢復能力他們的意願不高也不是因為中華電信啊他\n\n07:05.875 --> 07:34.557\n相關的在一些重要的工友監務它的電力的供應部分因為跟台電的這些配合啊他們也是比較早成立的這種中華電信是比較早的一個電信公司而且是以前具有這種官方的性質所以在電力的供應部分啊他們能夠比較快的一個恢復因為我們知道這種電力中斷啊你有沒有備援電力這個非常重要啊\n\n07:35.017 --> 07:49.578\n因為多數的機率台雖然配有UPS發電機但是你只能續航幾個小時而已如果主電源沒有恢復發電機供油中斷通訊就立即中斷\n\n07:51.628 --> 08:15.119\n剛才中華電信在報告的過程裡面他們希望能夠跟台電更加的合作能夠在相關的經濟台的合作能夠數量更多中華電信已經是最多了那遠傳跟台客大我們也必須要來協助不只是台電而且是相關的工友建物我們如何來協調這些開放因為也是在偏鄉相關的這些\n\n08:17.580 --> 08:33.392\n地區更應該在救渣的這種過程裡面要扮演重要的一個協助的角色來說明一下這個NCC說明一下文說得非常專業這個在公有建物提供成熟來\n\n08:34.193 --> 08:53.258\n供業者來設置這塊是大概從由院長時期開始持續推動我們上禮拜才進行頒獎這部分我們會加強力道持續來推進那另外也補充那三家電信業者因為體質上不一樣中華電信早期是綜合網路業者所以他有很多的那個中計局還有機房\n\n08:53.658 --> 09:13.326\n所以它在這個本身的一些站台上的的制高點或者電力的供應上會比另外兩家好另外兩家很多都是民宅部分所以在電力還沒恢復前另外兩家的復原能力會比較稍微慢一點好雖然在基地台設置的相關使用管理辦法第14條第15條都有規定公共場域應該優先來控告那管理區管\n\n09:19.229 --> 09:36.346\n不得沒有正當的理由來拒絕但是其實相關的公交部分都是比較消極因為我們除了地方政府同意也要經過安全的一些檢驗還有警官的一些考量等等其實這種地方政府配合意願都不高\n\n09:37.186 --> 09:52.942\n這個NCC應該針對這些不管是消防派出所相關所比較偏向這些地區必須要盡力的來去做協調主動的積極的來協調這是一個重要的方向那最後時間的關係\n\n09:55.305 --> 10:11.753\n我來請教一下除了臨時的基地台除了行動基地台車除了衛星通訊車這三個臨時的處置的方式之外那漫遊可不可行\n\n10:13.566 --> 10:25.776\n國際漫遊可不可行因為中華電信有這個設備跟能力啊當然費用是一個要考慮的問題費用會比較高那費用如何來做處理或是技術的問題有沒有問題來說明一下\n\n10:29.406 --> 10:39.919\n我們這邊這個問題大概是在平時轉暫時暫時的這個漫遊部分國內漫遊國內漫遊基礎上一定都沒問題那社會部也做過了那個POC的試驗\n\n10:43.463 --> 10:55.349\n對於這個非特殊時期的一些蔓延目前法制上是有這個空間那我上禮拜也跟內政部的部長有聯繫過了我們明天就會找內政部跟數位部來開會來協調延伸這塊機制\n\n10:59.071 --> 11:15.796\n跟業者來協調政府各部門之間的協調跟業者協調必須在技術可行而且是合理的費用那相關的經費來源是不是我們也來考慮使用普及服務基金這個部分來相關的支援\n\n11:16.996 --> 11:36.545\n這個在國內漫遊在這樣的一個不管是我們剛才講的臨時的集體台或是行動集體台車或是衛星通訊車之外國內漫遊的方式也是來處理一個臨時通訊緊急應用的一個重要的方向來那個次長你說明一下\n\n11:38.203 --> 11:39.845\n根據救災還有緊急動員的法律這些漫遊的費用是必須比如說在動員時期電信管理法裡面有規定\n\n11:55.485 --> 12:19.371\n這些費用衍生的費用必須由國家來負擔那能不能用普及基金來處理的這個我們會回去討論因為普及基金本身是業者的錢那我們也必須回去盤點這個法律就是說在普及基金裡面的條例裡面有沒有能不能處理漫遊那目前在平時的漫遊是用商業機制來處理那救災的時候能不能用\n\n12:21.331 --> 12:36.501\n行政命令跟政府的錢來處理這個我們會回去研議要盡快的提出相關對應的政策那我在這邊再提醒兩位極端氣候的肆虐這種強台豪雨的侵襲\n\n12:38.323 --> 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