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00:02:15,391\n這部分我們沒有特別留意但是因為這部分是我們有告訴業者這邊的要相關的中選會相關的選舉報名法那是必須要遵守的\n\n8\n00:02:16,018 --> 00:02:39,404\n因為那一家電視台他在發布的一個民調的結果跟選後這個實際的開票的結果有非常大的一個落差那這個就可能牽扯到他在因為民調是一個客觀的一個數據嘛那所以我才剛剛才請教主委在如果說電視台提供一個客觀的基本的事實如果事實有出入的情況下那我們相關的檢討的機制那當然不代表說\n\n9\n00:02:41,545 --> 00:02:50,693\n他選前兩個禮拜前做的民調跟選舉結果有落差那一定是假的有三種可能嘛第一種可能就是可能民調在設計上面他可能本來就有一點問題導致了民意的普查出現了落差\n\n10\n00:02:56,658 --> 00:03:01,982\n那第二個就是民調做完了之後到選舉這段時間國內的政治的情勢發生很大的變化導致那個時候的民調的參考跟現在那個選舉的結果沒有辦法吻合那第三種情況那當然就是他們蓄意在民調上面去做一些操弄然後可能來\n\n11\n00:03:15,653 --> 00:03:32,496\n散佈一些不是那麼準確的一個民調然後可能企圖有一些政治的一個目的來影響選舉的一個結果那我本人擔心的就是第三項那一些媒體自由他假借了這個言論自由的一個方式但是他如果說引述的是一些\n\n12\n00:03:33,513 --> 00:03:46,942\n不是事實的一些數據企圖來做一些政治上面的影響我覺得這已經違反到了新聞自由的一個範疇了他已經有藉由這個新聞媒體自由的這個權力來影響我們國內的政治的一個情況了那針對這樣的情況我不曉得主委有辦法去調查這樣的情況說他們當初所做的民調到底是他們捏造出來的還是說他們有實際上去委託民調公司去做出來的一個結果我們有辦法去做這樣的一個\n\n13\n00:04:04,054 --> 00:04:21,428\n就是去確認他所報導的一個基本的客觀事實到底有沒有那個事實存在好謝謝委員剛剛跟委員報告的那因為我們是尊重性的自由所人絕對不會有事前審查然後是事後事後如果一般民眾有檢舉有申訴的話我們會請會啟動這個程序這個機制的請業者來就都陳情意見請業者來意見陳述\n\n14\n00:04:29,634 --> 00:04:36,236\n那如果是涉及到違反事實查證的部分如果是新聞台會請他們提他們的新聞的委員會來開會來討論結果之後或許才會進到我們的第三個步驟進入NCC的節目廣告諮詢委員會議再來是最後一個步驟NCC的委員會議來處理\n\n15\n00:04:48,837 --> 00:05:08,859\n好那後續我再提供一些資料我就不針對他們評論的部分去做任何的一個檢舉就是剛剛陳儒剛剛講的這屬於可能言論自由的範疇我非常的尊重但是他們引述的資料這部分我就有高度的一個懷疑他到底是不是他們捏造或者是真的有去做相關的民調我在會後再請主委你們再做後續的一些會後調查\n\n16\n00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:37,625\n那另外一個就是開票啦這個台灣看開票這個每一家電視台落差都很大啦那甚至有一些電視台開票的結果開一開還會倒退嚕我想說其實我們能夠理解啦就是電視台有每個電視台他想要獲取的一個受眾他也有競爭的一個壓力他必須要可能要有一些符合他觀眾期待一些開票的結果但是倒退嚕這個東西實在是太扯了啦那個得票出來會倒退嚕那這部分\n\n17\n00:05:38,366 --> 00:05:39,802\n主委應該也略有所聞吧\n\n18\n00:05:41,188 --> 00:06:10,147\n是的跟委員報告每次開票每次選舉我們大概會前就選舉前都會跟電視業者來跟傳播業者來行政指導說你們的開票結果要符合三個條件第一個要有事實依據第二個要有所本你的報票你的體系來源是自己報的還是怎麼樣的第三個是可供查證那我們事後發現一些異樣的時候有一些電視台每次都\n\n19\n00:06:10,727 --> 00:06:27,739\n都會有這個報的比其他人快然後到最後倒退入的這種情況我們有沒有曾經有沒有曾經去含詢過或詢問過他的一些報票的一些可能流程是怎麼樣或者是去問一些工作人員到底有沒有長官的收益啊還是怎麼樣的情況怎麼會發現這樣子一個每次的常態性的慣犯的落差\n\n20\n00:06:31,403 --> 00:06:43,329\n是跟委員報告有過往也確實發生過我們也根據剛剛跟委員報告三個原則有所本可供查證我們請業者來說明為什麼您的票數您統計的票數跟後來為什麼會有這種\n\n21\n00:06:47,111 --> 00:07:02,997\n特別的情況那他們都會有一個告訴我們他情況是可能是他們自己報票體系的一些作業上的一些的結果造成的那最終他們大概都會說他們最終會從他們自己的報票系統\n\n22\n00:07:04,324 --> 00:07:20,390\n所以起到他們那個中選會的報票系統我們也不好幾次的不次的提醒他們這一部分一定要注意那我們除了提醒之外我們有沒有任何的一個主管機關可以做的作為希望我們電視台提供正確的資訊給我們所有的一個這個收聽收看電視節目的觀眾\n\n23\n00:07:22,442 --> 00:07:49,177\n這一部分開票這一塊其實我們跟中選會有密切合作我們也曾經把相關的案件也移給中選會來做處理那他們中選會依據他們的這個好像是一把零幾條意圖意圖叭叭叭這個造成這個選舉結果獲得那個投票結果有請他們來處理那先前中選會有告訴我們說如果電視台的開票作業開票數不符合40名這一塊目前\n\n24\n00:07:49,577 --> 00:08:15,295\n那中選會的一些相關的法律目前是目前還沒有相關的法治我們NCC這部分就是我們NCC一定是希望所有的電視媒體提供正確的一個資訊給民眾嘛那開票是一個很明確的一個不會有不一樣的情況嘛那倒退路很明確的就是有一些異樣在裡面嘛我們將來怎麼樣有一些實質的作為讓這些異樣盡量的減少出現或者是在特定的一個頻道業者\n\n25\n00:08:16,976 --> 00:08:29,907\n可能常出現這樣的情況我們不要說他去提供假訊息至少他不是假訊息的情況下他在內部作業很明確的可能就會有一些錯誤的地方才會有這樣的情況那是不是請這些電子產業的怎麼樣來檢討他們內部的作業舒適怎麼每次都會有這樣的情況\n\n26\n00:08:35,498 --> 00:09:02,962\n是那只要有民眾申訴或陳情我們都會找他們來叫他們來表達意見那我們也會同案性的在每次選舉前也會找他們來開會來跟他行政指導說哪些過往發生過的一樣的情況不要發生我希望還是有一課則這個電視節目才會因為我們不適合略到他們的言論自由我們只是要求希望他提供正確的客觀資訊我想這是每個電視台最基本的一個責任那如果說他們沒有辦法做到的話\n\n27\n00:09:03,502 --> 00:09:07,255\n我也希望主管機關要有你們的擔當以行政相關的一些懲處要給這些業者\n\n28\n00:09:08,843 --> 00:09:34,751\n是我們會依法來依規定來法規來辦理好另外回到今天的這個主題我簡單請教一下就好了我們目前因為就是災害來我們就是在其實也是在它是一個災害但是同時也可以來檢視一下我們過去這段時間來做一些這個網路任性的一些檢討對不對那我們目前依靠低軌衛星或是說衛星通訊所能夠做的最大量的這個頻寬\n\n29\n00:09:38,172 --> 00:09:57,867\n大概是多大這部分大概說一部分更清楚那地軌衛星的頻寬一定比中軌高軌或者同步衛星要好那但是因為目前在台灣的這個相關在災情期間如果統一統假設統一在某個地方來使用的話那它的那會使用的一些分散的效果會造成使用頻寬會稍微縮一點一點\n\n30\n00:09:59,428 --> 00:10:12,423\n所以現在很明確就是實際的數字我們不知道但是目前就災區的範圍來看其實我們國內的一個衛星通訊的一個能量甚至連現在災區的所需要的一個頻寬可能都還負荷不了\n\n31\n00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:40,015\n第一軌衛星它的規格是目前我們配備的規格是Download是100然後Upload是40那這一次在災區28台通通都出動的情況下我們量測出來的數據是Download是60然後Upload大概是20\n\n32\n00:10:40,936 --> 00:10:42,838\n所以實際上去分享給每一個民眾的話原則上你們會限流嘛對不對\n\n33\n00:10:47,731 --> 00:11:14,727\n沒有,因為衛星它是把一個大區域當成一個我知道每一個使用者你們就誰先用誰先占了就占了這樣子就是目前看起來我們現在使用量是在現在這個數目是OK的可是如果當你的車子或者是衛星接收器增加到數千個的時候有可能沒辦法分攤到這麼大量因為我們跟衛星\n\n34\n00:11:15,167 --> 00:11:30,145\n我只想提醒就是我們國家過去投資了這麼多資源在網路任性上面結果現在目前就是到了一個檢驗的一個階段的時候那我相信相對於台北或者是人口密集區這次災區它可能受影響的用戶數相對起來是較少的在全國這個全體的比例來看是較少的\n\n35\n00:11:33,689 --> 00:11:44,935\n但是我們現在投入那麼大的量能下來之後卻連這樣子的一個傳輸能力都沒有辦法可能符合大家的需求那就希望大家再繼續努力啦好不好以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3764\t9126\t謝謝主席 麻煩我們請NCC我們陳大理主委好 陳主委\n17646\t35280\t好 主委好 原則上在這個新聞媒體自由這一塊我們是非常 原則上我們是非常尊重言論自由的嘛 對不對所以說我們對於這個相當的媒體的一些製作 只要沒有太違背事實的情況下我們都原則上不會干預嘛 原則上是這樣子嘛\n36001\t56882\t但是在做任何的評論之前應該都是基於客觀的事實然後才有評論那當然評論的部分就是尊重言論自由但是前端的客觀的事實如果在相關的報導在前端的客觀的事實有刻意扭曲或者是不實的一些消息的話那原則上我們的在通常會的立場會是怎麼樣\n59054\t83464\t陳議員剛剛所提到的這部分是我們是尊重業者的編輯自由言論自由但是如果說有民眾陳情申訴的話我們會調出他們的節目帶來看然後確定是有這疑慮的話我們會請業者來陳述意見那如果涉及違反事實查證的部分也會請他業者提他們自己的輪委會來開會討論\n86525\t99497\t然後這個數據業者層次意見跟他假設有輪廓會的開完會議的資料給NCC之後我們會再研議然後提我們的節目廣告諮詢委員會然後再會上我們的委員會來處理反正我們就有一個檢討的機制在對\n104241\t109605\t我想這個不知道的這個主委在我們可能726之前那還是民調可以發布的時候其實在針對各個罷免案的時候大概只有一家電視台有針對個別的選區去做民調的發布原則上我記得只有一家不知道的主委有沒有看過\n123736\t135391\t這部分我們沒有特別留意但是因為這部分是我們有告訴業者這邊的要相關的中選會相關的選舉報名法那是必須要遵守的\n136018\t159404\t因為那一家電視台他在發布的一個民調的結果跟選後這個實際的開票的結果有非常大的一個落差那這個就可能牽扯到他在因為民調是一個客觀的一個數據嘛那所以我才剛剛才請教主委在如果說電視台提供一個客觀的基本的事實如果事實有出入的情況下那我們相關的檢討的機制那當然不代表說\n161545\t170693\t他選前兩個禮拜前做的民調跟選舉結果有落差那一定是假的有三種可能嘛第一種可能就是可能民調在設計上面他可能本來就有一點問題導致了民意的普查出現了落差\n176658\t181982\t那第二個就是民調做完了之後到選舉這段時間國內的政治的情勢發生很大的變化導致那個時候的民調的參考跟現在那個選舉的結果沒有辦法吻合那第三種情況那當然就是他們蓄意在民調上面去做一些操弄然後可能來\n195653\t212496\t散佈一些不是那麼準確的一個民調然後可能企圖有一些政治的一個目的來影響選舉的一個結果那我本人擔心的就是第三項那一些媒體自由他假借了這個言論自由的一個方式但是他如果說引述的是一些\n213513\t226942\t不是事實的一些數據 企圖來做一些政治上面的影響我覺得這已經違反到了新聞自由的一個範疇了 他已經有藉由這個新聞媒體自由的這個權力來影響我們國內的政治的一個情況了那針對這樣的情況我不曉得主委有辦法去調查這樣的情況說他們當初所做的民調到底是他們捏造出來的還是說他們有實際上去委託民調公司去做出來的一個結果我們有辦法去做這樣的一個\n244054\t261428\t就是去確認他所報導的一個基本的客觀事實到底有沒有那個事實存在好 謝謝委員剛剛跟委員報告的那因為我們是尊重性的自由所人絕對不會有事前審查然後是事後事後如果一般民眾有檢舉有申訴的話我們會請會啟動這個程序這個機制的請業者來就都陳情意見請業者來意見陳述\n269634\t276236\t那如果是涉及到違反事實查證的部分如果是新聞台會請他們提他們的新聞的委員會來開會來討論結果之後或許才會進到我們的第三個步驟進入NCC的節目廣告諮詢委員會議再來是最後一個步驟NCC的委員會議來處理\n288837\t308859\t好 那後續我再提供一些資料我就不針對他們評論的部分去做任何的一個檢舉就是剛剛陳儒剛剛講的這屬於可能言論自由的範疇我非常的尊重但是他們引述的資料這部分我就有高度的一個懷疑他到底是不是他們捏造或者是真的有去做相關的民調我在會後再請主委你們再做後續的一些會後調查\n309560\t337625\t那另外一個就是開票啦這個台灣看開票這個每一家電視台落差都很大啦那甚至有一些電視台開票的結果開一開還會倒退嚕我想說其實我們能夠理解啦就是電視台有每個電視台他想要獲取的一個受眾他也有競爭的一個壓力他必須要可能要有一些符合他觀眾期待一些開票的結果但是倒退嚕這個東西實在是太扯了啦那個得票出來會倒退嚕那這部分\n338366\t339802\t主委應該也略有所聞吧\n341188\t370147\t是的跟委員報告每次開票每次選舉我們大概會前就選舉前都會跟電視業者來跟傳播業者來行政指導說你們的開票結果要符合三個條件第一個要有事實依據第二個要有所本你的報票你的體系來源是自己報的還是怎麼樣的第三個是可供查證那我們事後發現一些異樣的時候有一些電視台每次都\n370727\t387739\t都會有這個報的比其他人快然後到最後倒退入的這種情況我們有沒有曾經有沒有曾經去含詢過或詢問過他的一些報票的一些可能流程是怎麼樣或者是去問一些工作人員到底有沒有長官的收益啊還是怎麼樣的情況怎麼會發現這樣子一個每次的常態性的慣犯的落差\n391403\t403329\t是跟委員報告有過往也確實發生過我們也根據剛剛跟委員報告三個原則有所本可供查證我們請業者來說明為什麼您的票數您統計的票數跟後來為什麼會有這種\n407111\t422997\t特別的情況那他們都會有一個告訴我們他情況是可能是他們自己報票體系的一些作業上的一些的結果造成的那最終他們大概都會說他們最終會從他們自己的報票系統\n424324\t440390\t所以起到他們那個中選會的報票系統我們也不好幾次的不次的提醒他們這一部分一定要注意那我們除了提醒之外我們有沒有任何的一個主管機關可以做的作為希望我們電視台提供正確的資訊給我們所有的一個這個收聽收看電視節目的觀眾\n442442\t469177\t這一部分開票這一塊其實我們跟中選會有密切合作我們也曾經把相關的案件也移給中選會來做處理那他們中選會依據他們的這個好像是一把零幾條意圖意圖叭叭叭這個造成這個選舉結果獲得那個投票結果有請他們來處理那先前中選會有告訴我們說如果電視台的開票作業開票數不符合40名這一塊目前\n469577\t495295\t那中選會的一些相關的法律 目前是目前還沒有相關的法治我們NCC這部分就是我們NCC一定是希望所有的電視媒體提供正確的一個資訊給民眾嘛那開票是一個很明確的一個不會有不一樣的情況嘛那倒退路很明確的就是有一些異樣在裡面嘛我們將來怎麼樣有一些實質的作為讓這些異樣盡量的減少出現或者是在特定的一個頻道業者\n496976\t509907\t可能常出現這樣的情況我們不要說他去提供假訊息至少他不是假訊息的情況下他在內部作業很明確的可能就會有一些錯誤的地方才會有這樣的情況那是不是請這些電子產業的怎麼樣來檢討他們內部的作業舒適怎麼每次都會有這樣的情況\n515498\t542962\t是 那只要有民眾申訴或陳情我們都會找他們來 叫他們來表達意見那我們也會同案性的在每次選舉前也會找他們來開會來跟他行政指導說哪些過往發生過的一樣的情況不要發生我希望還是有一課則 這個電視節目才會因為我們不適合略到他們的言論自由我們只是要求希望他提供正確的客觀資訊我想這是每個電視台最基本的一個責任那如果說他們沒有辦法做到的話\n543502\t547255\t我也希望主管機關要有你們的擔當以行政相關的一些懲處要給這些業者\n548843\t574751\t是 我們會依法來依規定來 法規來辦理好 另外回到今天的這個主題我簡單請教一下就好了我們目前因為就是災害來我們就是在其實也是在它是一個災害但是同時也可以來檢視一下我們過去這段時間來做一些這個網路任性的一些檢討對不對那我們目前依靠低軌衛星或是說衛星通訊所能夠做的最大量的這個頻寬\n578172\t597867\t大概是多大這部分大概說一部分更清楚那地軌衛星的頻寬一定比中軌高軌或者同步衛星要好那但是因為目前在台灣的這個相關在災情期間如果統一統假設統一在某個地方來使用的話那它的那會使用的一些分散的效果會造成使用頻寬會稍微縮一點一點\n599428\t612423\t所以現在很明確就是實際的數字我們不知道但是目前就災區的範圍來看其實我們國內的一個衛星通訊的一個能量甚至連現在災區的所需要的一個頻寬可能都還負荷不了\n617559\t640015\t第一軌衛星它的規格是目前我們配備的規格是Download是100然後Upload是40那這一次在災區28台通通都出動的情況下我們量測出來的數據是Download是60然後Upload大概是20\n640936\t642838\t所以實際上去分享給每一個民眾的話原則上你們會限流嘛對不對\n647731\t674727\t沒有,因為衛星它是把一個大區域當成一個我知道每一個使用者你們就誰先用誰先占了就占了這樣子就是目前看起來我們現在使用量是在現在這個數目是OK的可是如果當你的車子或者是衛星接收器增加到數千個的時候有可能沒辦法分攤到這麼大量因為我們跟衛星\n675167\t690145\t我只想提醒就是我們國家過去投資了這麼多資源在網路任性上面結果現在目前就是到了一個檢驗的一個階段的時候那我相信相對於台北或者是人口密集區這次災區它可能受影響的用戶數相對起來是較少的在全國這個全體的比例來看是較少的\n693689\t704935\t但是我們現在投入那麼大的量能下來之後卻連這樣子的一個傳輸能力都沒有辦法可能符合大家的需求那就希望大家再繼續努力啦好不好 以上 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 麻煩我們請NCC我們陳大理主委好 陳主委\n好 主委好 原則上在這個新聞媒體自由這一塊我們是非常 原則上我們是非常尊重言論自由的嘛 對不對所以說我們對於這個相當的媒體的一些製作 只要沒有太違背事實的情況下我們都原則上不會干預嘛 原則上是這樣子嘛\n但是在做任何的評論之前應該都是基於客觀的事實然後才有評論那當然評論的部分就是尊重言論自由但是前端的客觀的事實如果在相關的報導在前端的客觀的事實有刻意扭曲或者是不實的一些消息的話那原則上我們的在通常會的立場會是怎麼樣\n陳議員剛剛所提到的這部分是我們是尊重業者的編輯自由言論自由但是如果說有民眾陳情申訴的話我們會調出他們的節目帶來看然後確定是有這疑慮的話我們會請業者來陳述意見那如果涉及違反事實查證的部分也會請他業者提他們自己的輪委會來開會討論\n然後這個數據業者層次意見跟他假設有輪廓會的開完會議的資料給NCC之後我們會再研議然後提我們的節目廣告諮詢委員會然後再會上我們的委員會來處理反正我們就有一個檢討的機制在對\n我想這個不知道的這個主委在我們可能726之前那還是民調可以發布的時候其實在針對各個罷免案的時候大概只有一家電視台有針對個別的選區去做民調的發布原則上我記得只有一家不知道的主委有沒有看過\n這部分我們沒有特別留意但是因為這部分是我們有告訴業者這邊的要相關的中選會相關的選舉報名法那是必須要遵守的\n因為那一家電視台他在發布的一個民調的結果跟選後這個實際的開票的結果有非常大的一個落差那這個就可能牽扯到他在因為民調是一個客觀的一個數據嘛那所以我才剛剛才請教主委在如果說電視台提供一個客觀的基本的事實如果事實有出入的情況下那我們相關的檢討的機制那當然不代表說\n他選前兩個禮拜前做的民調跟選舉結果有落差那一定是假的有三種可能嘛第一種可能就是可能民調在設計上面他可能本來就有一點問題導致了民意的普查出現了落差\n那第二個就是民調做完了之後到選舉這段時間國內的政治的情勢發生很大的變化導致那個時候的民調的參考跟現在那個選舉的結果沒有辦法吻合那第三種情況那當然就是他們蓄意在民調上面去做一些操弄然後可能來\n散佈一些不是那麼準確的一個民調然後可能企圖有一些政治的一個目的來影響選舉的一個結果那我本人擔心的就是第三項那一些媒體自由他假借了這個言論自由的一個方式但是他如果說引述的是一些\n不是事實的一些數據 企圖來做一些政治上面的影響我覺得這已經違反到了新聞自由的一個範疇了 他已經有藉由這個新聞媒體自由的這個權力來影響我們國內的政治的一個情況了那針對這樣的情況我不曉得主委有辦法去調查這樣的情況說他們當初所做的民調到底是他們捏造出來的還是說他們有實際上去委託民調公司去做出來的一個結果我們有辦法去做這樣的一個\n就是去確認他所報導的一個基本的客觀事實到底有沒有那個事實存在好 謝謝委員剛剛跟委員報告的那因為我們是尊重性的自由所人絕對不會有事前審查然後是事後事後如果一般民眾有檢舉有申訴的話我們會請會啟動這個程序這個機制的請業者來就都陳情意見請業者來意見陳述\n那如果是涉及到違反事實查證的部分如果是新聞台會請他們提他們的新聞的委員會來開會來討論結果之後或許才會進到我們的第三個步驟進入NCC的節目廣告諮詢委員會議再來是最後一個步驟NCC的委員會議來處理\n好 那後續我再提供一些資料我就不針對他們評論的部分去做任何的一個檢舉就是剛剛陳儒剛剛講的這屬於可能言論自由的範疇我非常的尊重但是他們引述的資料這部分我就有高度的一個懷疑他到底是不是他們捏造或者是真的有去做相關的民調我在會後再請主委你們再做後續的一些會後調查\n那另外一個就是開票啦這個台灣看開票這個每一家電視台落差都很大啦那甚至有一些電視台開票的結果開一開還會倒退嚕我想說其實我們能夠理解啦就是電視台有每個電視台他想要獲取的一個受眾他也有競爭的一個壓力他必須要可能要有一些符合他觀眾期待一些開票的結果但是倒退嚕這個東西實在是太扯了啦那個得票出來會倒退嚕那這部分\n主委應該也略有所聞吧\n是的跟委員報告每次開票每次選舉我們大概會前就選舉前都會跟電視業者來跟傳播業者來行政指導說你們的開票結果要符合三個條件第一個要有事實依據第二個要有所本你的報票你的體系來源是自己報的還是怎麼樣的第三個是可供查證那我們事後發現一些異樣的時候有一些電視台每次都\n都會有這個報的比其他人快然後到最後倒退入的這種情況我們有沒有曾經有沒有曾經去含詢過或詢問過他的一些報票的一些可能流程是怎麼樣或者是去問一些工作人員到底有沒有長官的收益啊還是怎麼樣的情況怎麼會發現這樣子一個每次的常態性的慣犯的落差\n是跟委員報告有過往也確實發生過我們也根據剛剛跟委員報告三個原則有所本可供查證我們請業者來說明為什麼您的票數您統計的票數跟後來為什麼會有這種\n特別的情況那他們都會有一個告訴我們他情況是可能是他們自己報票體系的一些作業上的一些的結果造成的那最終他們大概都會說他們最終會從他們自己的報票系統\n所以起到他們那個中選會的報票系統我們也不好幾次的不次的提醒他們這一部分一定要注意那我們除了提醒之外我們有沒有任何的一個主管機關可以做的作為希望我們電視台提供正確的資訊給我們所有的一個這個收聽收看電視節目的觀眾\n這一部分開票這一塊其實我們跟中選會有密切合作我們也曾經把相關的案件也移給中選會來做處理那他們中選會依據他們的這個好像是一把零幾條意圖意圖叭叭叭這個造成這個選舉結果獲得那個投票結果有請他們來處理那先前中選會有告訴我們說如果電視台的開票作業開票數不符合40名這一塊目前\n那中選會的一些相關的法律 目前是目前還沒有相關的法治我們NCC這部分就是我們NCC一定是希望所有的電視媒體提供正確的一個資訊給民眾嘛那開票是一個很明確的一個不會有不一樣的情況嘛那倒退路很明確的就是有一些異樣在裡面嘛我們將來怎麼樣有一些實質的作為讓這些異樣盡量的減少出現或者是在特定的一個頻道業者\n可能常出現這樣的情況我們不要說他去提供假訊息至少他不是假訊息的情況下他在內部作業很明確的可能就會有一些錯誤的地方才會有這樣的情況那是不是請這些電子產業的怎麼樣來檢討他們內部的作業舒適怎麼每次都會有這樣的情況\n是 那只要有民眾申訴或陳情我們都會找他們來 叫他們來表達意見那我們也會同案性的在每次選舉前也會找他們來開會來跟他行政指導說哪些過往發生過的一樣的情況不要發生我希望還是有一課則 這個電視節目才會因為我們不適合略到他們的言論自由我們只是要求希望他提供正確的客觀資訊我想這是每個電視台最基本的一個責任那如果說他們沒有辦法做到的話\n我也希望主管機關要有你們的擔當以行政相關的一些懲處要給這些業者\n是 我們會依法來依規定來 法規來辦理好 另外回到今天的這個主題我簡單請教一下就好了我們目前因為就是災害來我們就是在其實也是在它是一個災害但是同時也可以來檢視一下我們過去這段時間來做一些這個網路任性的一些檢討對不對那我們目前依靠低軌衛星或是說衛星通訊所能夠做的最大量的這個頻寬\n大概是多大這部分大概說一部分更清楚那地軌衛星的頻寬一定比中軌高軌或者同步衛星要好那但是因為目前在台灣的這個相關在災情期間如果統一統假設統一在某個地方來使用的話那它的那會使用的一些分散的效果會造成使用頻寬會稍微縮一點一點\n所以現在很明確就是實際的數字我們不知道但是目前就災區的範圍來看其實我們國內的一個衛星通訊的一個能量甚至連現在災區的所需要的一個頻寬可能都還負荷不了\n第一軌衛星它的規格是目前我們配備的規格是Download是100然後Upload是40那這一次在災區28台通通都出動的情況下我們量測出來的數據是Download是60然後Upload大概是20\n所以實際上去分享給每一個民眾的話原則上你們會限流嘛對不對\n沒有,因為衛星它是把一個大區域當成一個我知道每一個使用者你們就誰先用誰先占了就占了這樣子就是目前看起來我們現在使用量是在現在這個數目是OK的可是如果當你的車子或者是衛星接收器增加到數千個的時候有可能沒辦法分攤到這麼大量因為我們跟衛星\n我只想提醒就是我們國家過去投資了這麼多資源在網路任性上面結果現在目前就是到了一個檢驗的一個階段的時候那我相信相對於台北或者是人口密集區這次災區它可能受影響的用戶數相對起來是較少的在全國這個全體的比例來看是較少的\n但是我們現在投入那麼大的量能下來之後卻連這樣子的一個傳輸能力都沒有辦法可能符合大家的需求那就希望大家再繼續努力啦好不好 以上 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.764 --> 00:09.126\n謝謝主席麻煩我們請NCC我們陳大理主委好陳主委\n\n00:17.646 --> 00:35.280\n好主委好原則上在這個新聞媒體自由這一塊我們是非常原則上我們是非常尊重言論自由的嘛對不對所以說我們對於這個相當的媒體的一些製作只要沒有太違背事實的情況下我們都原則上不會干預嘛原則上是這樣子嘛\n\n00:36.001 --> 00:56.882\n但是在做任何的評論之前應該都是基於客觀的事實然後才有評論那當然評論的部分就是尊重言論自由但是前端的客觀的事實如果在相關的報導在前端的客觀的事實有刻意扭曲或者是不實的一些消息的話那原則上我們的在通常會的立場會是怎麼樣\n\n00:59.054 --> 01:23.464\n陳議員剛剛所提到的這部分是我們是尊重業者的編輯自由言論自由但是如果說有民眾陳情申訴的話我們會調出他們的節目帶來看然後確定是有這疑慮的話我們會請業者來陳述意見那如果涉及違反事實查證的部分也會請他業者提他們自己的輪委會來開會討論\n\n01:26.525 --> 01:39.497\n然後這個數據業者層次意見跟他假設有輪廓會的開完會議的資料給NCC之後我們會再研議然後提我們的節目廣告諮詢委員會然後再會上我們的委員會來處理反正我們就有一個檢討的機制在對\n\n01:44.241 --> 01:49.605\n我想這個不知道的這個主委在我們可能726之前那還是民調可以發布的時候其實在針對各個罷免案的時候大概只有一家電視台有針對個別的選區去做民調的發布原則上我記得只有一家不知道的主委有沒有看過\n\n02:03.736 --> 02:15.391\n這部分我們沒有特別留意但是因為這部分是我們有告訴業者這邊的要相關的中選會相關的選舉報名法那是必須要遵守的\n\n02:16.018 --> 02:39.404\n因為那一家電視台他在發布的一個民調的結果跟選後這個實際的開票的結果有非常大的一個落差那這個就可能牽扯到他在因為民調是一個客觀的一個數據嘛那所以我才剛剛才請教主委在如果說電視台提供一個客觀的基本的事實如果事實有出入的情況下那我們相關的檢討的機制那當然不代表說\n\n02:41.545 --> 02:50.693\n他選前兩個禮拜前做的民調跟選舉結果有落差那一定是假的有三種可能嘛第一種可能就是可能民調在設計上面他可能本來就有一點問題導致了民意的普查出現了落差\n\n02:56.658 --> 03:01.982\n那第二個就是民調做完了之後到選舉這段時間國內的政治的情勢發生很大的變化導致那個時候的民調的參考跟現在那個選舉的結果沒有辦法吻合那第三種情況那當然就是他們蓄意在民調上面去做一些操弄然後可能來\n\n03:15.653 --> 03:32.496\n散佈一些不是那麼準確的一個民調然後可能企圖有一些政治的一個目的來影響選舉的一個結果那我本人擔心的就是第三項那一些媒體自由他假借了這個言論自由的一個方式但是他如果說引述的是一些\n\n03:33.513 --> 03:46.942\n不是事實的一些數據企圖來做一些政治上面的影響我覺得這已經違反到了新聞自由的一個範疇了他已經有藉由這個新聞媒體自由的這個權力來影響我們國內的政治的一個情況了那針對這樣的情況我不曉得主委有辦法去調查這樣的情況說他們當初所做的民調到底是他們捏造出來的還是說他們有實際上去委託民調公司去做出來的一個結果我們有辦法去做這樣的一個\n\n04:04.054 --> 04:21.428\n就是去確認他所報導的一個基本的客觀事實到底有沒有那個事實存在好謝謝委員剛剛跟委員報告的那因為我們是尊重性的自由所人絕對不會有事前審查然後是事後事後如果一般民眾有檢舉有申訴的話我們會請會啟動這個程序這個機制的請業者來就都陳情意見請業者來意見陳述\n\n04:29.634 --> 04:36.236\n那如果是涉及到違反事實查證的部分如果是新聞台會請他們提他們的新聞的委員會來開會來討論結果之後或許才會進到我們的第三個步驟進入NCC的節目廣告諮詢委員會議再來是最後一個步驟NCC的委員會議來處理\n\n04:48.837 --> 05:08.859\n好那後續我再提供一些資料我就不針對他們評論的部分去做任何的一個檢舉就是剛剛陳儒剛剛講的這屬於可能言論自由的範疇我非常的尊重但是他們引述的資料這部分我就有高度的一個懷疑他到底是不是他們捏造或者是真的有去做相關的民調我在會後再請主委你們再做後續的一些會後調查\n\n05:09.560 --> 05:37.625\n那另外一個就是開票啦這個台灣看開票這個每一家電視台落差都很大啦那甚至有一些電視台開票的結果開一開還會倒退嚕我想說其實我們能夠理解啦就是電視台有每個電視台他想要獲取的一個受眾他也有競爭的一個壓力他必須要可能要有一些符合他觀眾期待一些開票的結果但是倒退嚕這個東西實在是太扯了啦那個得票出來會倒退嚕那這部分\n\n05:38.366 --> 05:39.802\n主委應該也略有所聞吧\n\n05:41.188 --> 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08:29.907\n可能常出現這樣的情況我們不要說他去提供假訊息至少他不是假訊息的情況下他在內部作業很明確的可能就會有一些錯誤的地方才會有這樣的情況那是不是請這些電子產業的怎麼樣來檢討他們內部的作業舒適怎麼每次都會有這樣的情況\n\n08:35.498 --> 09:02.962\n是那只要有民眾申訴或陳情我們都會找他們來叫他們來表達意見那我們也會同案性的在每次選舉前也會找他們來開會來跟他行政指導說哪些過往發生過的一樣的情況不要發生我希望還是有一課則這個電視節目才會因為我們不適合略到他們的言論自由我們只是要求希望他提供正確的客觀資訊我想這是每個電視台最基本的一個責任那如果說他們沒有辦法做到的話\n\n09:03.502 --> 09:07.255\n我也希望主管機關要有你們的擔當以行政相關的一些懲處要給這些業者\n\n09:08.843 --> 09:34.751\n是我們會依法來依規定來法規來辦理好另外回到今天的這個主題我簡單請教一下就好了我們目前因為就是災害來我們就是在其實也是在它是一個災害但是同時也可以來檢視一下我們過去這段時間來做一些這個網路任性的一些檢討對不對那我們目前依靠低軌衛星或是說衛星通訊所能夠做的最大量的這個頻寬\n\n09:38.172 --> 09:57.867\n大概是多大這部分大概說一部分更清楚那地軌衛星的頻寬一定比中軌高軌或者同步衛星要好那但是因為目前在台灣的這個相關在災情期間如果統一統假設統一在某個地方來使用的話那它的那會使用的一些分散的效果會造成使用頻寬會稍微縮一點一點\n\n09:59.428 --> 10:12.423\n所以現在很明確就是實際的數字我們不知道但是目前就災區的範圍來看其實我們國內的一個衛星通訊的一個能量甚至連現在災區的所需要的一個頻寬可能都還負荷不了\n\n10:17.559 --> 10:40.015\n第一軌衛星它的規格是目前我們配備的規格是Download是100然後Upload是40那這一次在災區28台通通都出動的情況下我們量測出來的數據是Download是60然後Upload大概是20\n\n10:40.936 --> 10:42.838\n所以實際上去分享給每一個民眾的話原則上你們會限流嘛對不對\n\n10:47.731 --> 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