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00:01:03,104\n那如果成立客服專線他就沒辦法通訊他怎麼讓你們知道所以今天問題當然事情發生就發生了但我們要檢討說以後如果又發生類似的狀況技術上ACC到底能不能掌握到說有些地方已經斷訊了你們會知道嗎還是一定要等人通報你們才會知道\n\n4\n00:01:04,874 --> 00:01:23,852\n跟委員回報第一點這個通報部分可以是當地里長里長如果他跟他不通的在民也許不同但是他會知道的話那他可以透過他來服務然後另外第二部分剛剛委員講到說NC如何掌握哪邊通信不通\n\n5\n00:01:24,572 --> 00:01:37,646\n這邊因為在海頂成立之後我們大概都跟三大跟地心業者都有在協助連線也會進駐在網辦那邊多次會有一些每家業者的網路的狀況他們都要請他們回報\n\n6\n00:01:39,048 --> 00:02:06,213\n所以今天今天只是風災我們現在講因為今天剛好因為這個風災讓大家發現說原來我們通訊看起來本來就覺得我們是個先進的國家嘛科技之島但沒想到風災過後居然有這麼多地方沒辦法被沒辦法聯繫到其實說真的這個新聞就南部這個災情爆發出來還是因為有一些這個網友他們去現場拍的畫面空拍啊等等然後他們我們很多人主流媒體或是我們社會大眾突然發現到原來有這麼多地方聯繫不到\n\n7\n00:02:07,333 --> 00:02:35,711\n所以我今天要問的是說你今天主委我還是要問的問題是如果今天發生這種大規模斷訊的時候你們有掌握的機制嗎還是都一定要等像你剛剛講的要離場要基層通報不用但是其中之一而已為什麼因為業者本身都有網路管理他有通過連線的哪邊記憶體不通他那個節點就黑掉他們都知道然後他們會通報我們所以我們在統計上都說記憶體壞掉幾台都是這樣子業者的網管系統都可以知道哪些點不通\n\n8\n00:02:36,499 --> 00:02:40,767\n那所以以當當是颱風為例啦這一次你們什麼時候知道那些地方斷訊的\n\n9\n00:02:41,618 --> 00:03:06,770\n其實第一時間都知道第一時間業者會通報給我們好所以那既然第一時間知道那你看後面包含說這有提到我們接下來要談的問題去年7月8號的時候這個跟數位部有點關係去年7月8號的時候數位部講說這個非同步軌道衛星通訊已經涵蓋台灣全島那時候我們看的那個計畫裡面是因為2022年有一個前瞻計畫叫應變或暫時應用新興科技通訊\n\n10\n00:03:07,890 --> 00:03:21,454\n的這個網路數位韌性的一個計畫那時候做了這樣的計畫之後7月8號的時候去年7月8號講說全島台灣就全覆蓋了所以以後萬一遇到像這種斷訊緊急事件的時候我們的敵軌衛星我們這相關東西能夠補位進來\n\n11\n00:03:24,349 --> 00:03:43,157\n但是從這次的事件發生之後你會看到說包含總統去勘災然後還要去點名說特別去點名郭國文有訊號其他的沒訊號為什麼會發生這樣的事情那這個地位衛星的訊號在這樣的狀況發生的時候在這種緊急狀況發生的時候他沒有辦法馬上補位嗎還是要透過什麼機制才能夠把它補上來\n\n12\n00:03:44,282 --> 00:04:09,567\n跟委員報告就是其實郭國倫委員的訊號他是中華電信那他如果是透過行動基地台車出現的那其實他就是借接低軌衛星那也就是說在在發生的第一時間我們已經調度了28台車到災區去支援那這28台車都是有低軌衛星的那但是呢因為因為只有28台28台很難去補1200\n\n13\n00:04:13,288 --> 00:04:13,608\n那所以所以呃\n\n14\n00:04:32,479 --> 00:04:56,313\n我們認為就是除了除了這一個低軌衛星的車跟這個行動基地台以外那強化原來的基站的建設那也是重要的一部分這個是我們在災後檢討就是包含高抗災基地台跟跟這個加油跟這個電力供應因為我們去分析1260幾個基站失效發現有40%是因為\n\n15\n00:05:00,976 --> 00:05:19,828\n沒有電那有50%是因為沒有網路那有10%是其他的因素比如說鐵塔倒了或綜合性的災害那所以去補足這個光纖網路的建設跟補足電力的供應是我們在下一期前瞻預算第一個要做的事情市長\n\n16\n00:05:20,929 --> 00:05:32,341\n這個前瞻計畫叫做應變或暫時應用新興科技強化通訊那今天是在風災所以大家還有辦法同步來處理那今天如果我們按照這個前瞻計畫是為了應付假設是應變這種暫時的狀況我想暫時假設真的發生戰爭\n\n17\n00:05:38,444 --> 00:05:52,335\n通訊團都斷掉了那如果全台灣只有三十台車二十八台車可以用的話今天是只有台南比較嚴重所以今天要派車去台南然後覆蓋沒辦法覆蓋到這麼廣泛那如果今天全台灣都陷入這種通訊中斷的情況下\n\n18\n00:05:54,537 --> 00:06:08,838\n加上你已經講了我們非同步軌道衛星是可以涵蓋台灣全球那當時的這個資訊裡面在去年也說年底前要佈建70個基地台的這個後設的這個基地台佈建完成了沒佈建在哪裡夠不夠\n\n19\n00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:30,564\n70個基地台大部分都部件完成了那很多是在重要的通訊節點比如說立法院行政院然後還有離島離島比如說像現在的東沙島東沙島它現在的backhole就是它原來的基地台中華電信機台原來是透過同步衛星\n\n20\n00:06:31,704 --> 00:06:52,590\n大概兩個月前他已經透過低軌道衛星傳回來那這個對於那個島上面的官兵的通訊品質也有很大的改善那太平島也是透過中軌衛星那包含了一些偏鄉跟島嶼的部分呢我們除了微波都是用衛星去補他的背後那另外這個700多個衛星的節點因為\n\n21\n00:06:56,211 --> 00:07:21,380\n有一百多個是用來做緊急的聯繫比如說像在災害應變中心在之前的演練我們就跟內政部的災害應變中心災害應變中心跟其他的縣市的災害應變中心視訊的時候也是有好幾個站點我們是用地軌衛星在運作的那所以這一個東西就是要在日常的演練都要拿出來用\n\n22\n00:07:22,020 --> 00:07:42,553\n那當然希望未來可以不斷的增加這個接收器的數目因為現在700多個雖然全台灣都有訊號包含離島都有訊號可是700多個只能單點的去救援那需要更多的接收器才能夠增加涵蓋率這樣我們是誤會了就是說你講的意思是說今天\n\n23\n00:07:43,891 --> 00:08:00,520\n技術上它也涵蓋全島台灣全島但是我們接收的機器不夠車子也好機台也好所以等於還不夠嘛你還要繼續佈建嘛是不是這個意思那需要多少數量因為今天講真的你不用再演練了我們看到台南的風災這個事情就發現了這個問題的存在\n\n24\n00:08:03,415 --> 00:08:16,054\n就像我剛剛講的我們從去年的地震得到的教訓就是說這個車子不能要8小時以後才到災區所以我們就配合災害應變中心30台每一個地方都確保一個小時之內會到災區這個是爭取時效\n\n25\n00:08:19,738 --> 00:08:45,188\n但是如果要涵蓋率針對這樣的大規模災害那一個車子的數量跟碟子的數量要大幅的增加我們原來有規劃一個五年計畫是要逐步增加到2500個而且這個2500個希望是涵蓋不同的衛星因為你全部依賴單一的衛星也會有風險好既然講到不同衛星我也想要問一下因為我們現在台灣使用的是OneWeb\n\n26\n00:08:45,928 --> 00:09:03,775\n好是用OneWeb那OneWeb是由我們中華電信代理的嘛代理申請的嘛對不對是由我們中華電信來申請的那今天剛剛次長也提到了我們希望有不同的衛星不同的公司來幫忙協助這個工作那為什麼台灣現在只選擇OneWeb那Starlink我們有去代理嗎有去處理嗎\n\n27\n00:09:04,975 --> 00:09:21,657\n不能申請的原因或是沒有申請的原因是什麼除了跟委員報告Starlink在速發部成立的時候就有來跟我們討論過兩三次那但是呢他真我們有兩個當初是有兩個法規造成這個障礙\n\n28\n00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:43,598\n那其中一個是gateway的設置另外一個是這個持股比例的設置那gateway設置這個法規限制已經拿掉了我們就是希望他能夠提供virtual的管理平台但是持股比例因為我們也就這一題跟\n\n29\n00:09:46,580 --> 00:10:05,357\n包含了外國的單位也做了討論那因為這一個法規是跟跟其他國家的法規是一致的那我們也有提出就是說包含STARLINK他在日本落地的模式跟韓國落地的模式我們都可以討論但是這都牽涉到複雜的\n\n30\n00:10:06,858 --> 00:10:25,712\n貿易問題跟跟自由貿易協定的問題所以所以大概之前的討論就停留在兩年前一年半前那但是我們當初要建我們當初要建設這個低軌衛星的時候呢我們也是希望一直多元所以我們同步跟好幾個廠商\n\n31\n00:10:27,113 --> 00:10:47,884\n去做聯繫那目前市面上除了Sarlink以外包含了Utersight的OneWave那還有這個SES就是中軌的部分我們都已經引入台灣然後在太空中心跟國科會的指導下面在下一期的太空計畫那也有計畫要引進新的星系\n\n32\n00:10:48,504 --> 00:11:08,998\n那這些新的新系因為都還在實驗的階段所以我們會持續關注也會持續的來做這樣的規劃那事實上我們是有非常我們有把握就是說任何新系只要他落地了我們一定會在第一時間讓他在台灣能夠運行\n\n33\n00:11:10,305 --> 00:11:31,751\n好市長謝謝我想時間到了那今天主要就是最後一個是要提到主要要建議說不能只有OneWeb一間公司啦如果他們是透過代理的方式我想別間提供低軌衛星或中軌衛星的這種平台的技術我們應該也要考慮進去因為今天如果只有OneWeb它的覆蓋率也好它的出狀況萬一因為尤其是現在\n\n34\n00:11:32,711 --> 00:11:48,591\n我們經過這次事件之後發現我認為這樣子的一間公司的量能或是我們的技術面是沒辦法符合真的遇到緊急狀況或是萬一真的發生戰爭的時候我們是沒辦法處理的所以我希望我們數位部跟NCC能夠盡快的去跟其他公司\n\n35\n00:11:49,471 --> 00:12:15,291\n能夠趕快接上這個平台不要說只有一間而已好不好是跟剛委員補充報告這個STARLINK如果要在台灣落地其實方法並不是說現在的外資比例是個上限是個障礙不是因為電信法到電信管理法外資比例部分這個規定都沒有修正但是電信法時期的不管是海蘭還有其他的外資比例其實當時外人要投資台灣都可以操作處理那只是說\n\n36\n00:12:16,832 --> 00:12:24,581\n他實際上願不願意走以前的那種方式來處理他有意願的話就可以處理你說代理就好了嘛代理是請問處理對好謝謝好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4209\t12946\t好謝謝主席那我們一樣請蘇衛部缺次長然後 蘇衛部缺次長NCC陳主委好 NCC陳主委\n20572\t43922\t兩位好一開始當然我們還是要關心這次的這個風災過後的一些狀況我想這個通訊斷掉我想對所有國人的影響都非常的重大因為沒有辦法通訊嘛那你看一下這個新聞這7月30號的新聞單大颱風第二十四天還有部分地方斷訊那NCC的說法是說要成立客服專線不過問題就在這裡啊今天我都沒有辦法通訊了\n45270\t63104\t那如果成立客服專線他就沒辦法通訊他怎麼讓你們知道所以今天問題當然事情發生就發生了但我們要檢討說以後如果又發生類似的狀況技術上ACC到底能不能掌握到說有些地方已經斷訊了你們會知道嗎還是一定要等人通報你們才會知道\n64874\t83852\t跟委員回報第一點這個通報部分可以是當地里長里長如果他跟他不通的在民也許不同但是他會知道的話那他可以透過他來服務然後另外第二部分剛剛委員講到說NC如何掌握哪邊通信不通\n84572\t97646\t這邊因為在海頂成立之後我們大概都跟三大跟地心業者都有在協助連線也會進駐在網辦那邊多次會有一些每家業者的網路的狀況他們都要請他們回報\n99048\t126213\t所以今天今天只是風災我們現在講因為今天剛好因為這個風災讓大家發現說原來我們通訊看起來本來就覺得我們是個先進的國家嘛科技之島但沒想到風災過後居然有這麼多地方沒辦法被沒辦法聯繫到其實說真的這個新聞就南部這個災情爆發出來還是因為有一些這個網友他們去現場拍的畫面空拍啊等等然後他們我們很多人主流媒體或是我們社會大眾突然發現到原來有這麼多地方聯繫不到\n127333\t155711\t所以我今天要問的是說你今天主委我還是要問的問題是如果今天發生這種大規模斷訊的時候你們有掌握的機制嗎還是都一定要等像你剛剛講的要離場要基層通報不用 但是其中之一而已為什麼因為業者本身都有網路管理他有通過連線的哪邊記憶體不通他那個節點就黑掉他們都知道然後他們會通報我們所以我們在統計上都說記憶體壞掉幾台都是這樣子業者的網管系統都可以知道哪些點不通\n156499\t160767\t那所以 以當當是颱風為例啦這一次你們什麼時候知道那些地方斷訊的\n161618\t186770\t其實第一時間都知道第一時間業者會通報給我們好 所以那既然第一時間知道那你看後面包含說這有提到我們接下來要談的問題去年7月8號的時候這個跟數位部有點關係去年7月8號的時候數位部講說這個非同步軌道衛星通訊已經涵蓋台灣全島那時候我們看的那個計畫裡面是因為2022年有一個前瞻計畫叫應變或暫時應用新興科技通訊\n187890\t201454\t的這個網路數位韌性的一個計畫那時候做了這樣的計畫之後7月8號的時候去年7月8號講說全島台灣就全覆蓋了所以以後萬一遇到像這種斷訊緊急事件的時候我們的敵軌衛星我們這相關東西能夠補位進來\n204349\t223157\t但是從這次的事件發生之後你會看到說包含總統去勘災然後還要去點名說特別去點名郭國文有訊號其他的沒訊號為什麼會發生這樣的事情那這個地位衛星的訊號在這樣的狀況發生的時候在這種緊急狀況發生的時候他沒有辦法馬上補位嗎還是要透過什麼機制才能夠把它補上來\n224282\t249567\t跟委員報告就是其實郭國倫委員的訊號他是中華電信那他如果是透過行動基地台車出現的那其實他就是借接低軌衛星那也就是說在在發生的第一時間我們已經調度了28台車到災區去支援那這28台車都是有低軌衛星的那但是呢因為因為只有28台28台很難去補1200\n253288\t253608\t那所以所以呃\n272479\t296313\t我們認為就是除了除了這一個低軌衛星的車跟這個行動基地台以外那強化原來的基站的建設那也是重要的一部分這個是我們在災後檢討就是包含高抗災基地台跟跟這個加油跟這個電力供應因為我們去分析1260幾個基站失效發現有40%是因為\n300976\t319828\t沒有電那有50%是因為沒有網路那有10%是其他的因素比如說鐵塔倒了或綜合性的災害那所以去補足這個光纖網路的建設跟補足電力的供應是我們在下一期前瞻預算第一個要做的事情市長\n320929\t332341\t這個前瞻計畫叫做應變或暫時應用新興科技強化通訊那今天是在風災所以大家還有辦法同步來處理那今天如果我們按照這個前瞻計畫是為了應付假設是應變這種暫時的狀況我想暫時假設真的發生戰爭\n338444\t352335\t通訊團都斷掉了那如果全台灣只有三十台車二十八台車可以用的話今天是只有台南比較嚴重所以今天要派車去台南然後覆蓋沒辦法覆蓋到這麼廣泛那如果今天全台灣都陷入這種通訊中斷的情況下\n354537\t368838\t加上你已經講了我們非同步軌道衛星是可以涵蓋台灣全球那當時的這個資訊裡面在去年也說年底前要佈建70個基地台的這個後設的這個基地台佈建完成了沒 佈建在哪裡 夠不夠\n370279\t390564\t70個基地台大部分都部件完成了那很多是在重要的通訊節點比如說立法院行政院然後還有離島離島比如說像現在的東沙島東沙島它現在的backhole就是它原來的基地台中華電信機台原來是透過同步衛星\n391704\t412590\t大概兩個月前他已經透過低軌道衛星傳回來那這個對於那個島上面的官兵的通訊品質也有很大的改善那太平島也是透過中軌衛星那包含了一些偏鄉跟島嶼的部分呢我們除了微波都是用衛星去補他的背後那另外這個700多個衛星的節點因為\n416211\t441380\t有一百多個是用來做緊急的聯繫比如說像在災害應變中心在之前的演練我們就跟內政部的災害應變中心災害應變中心跟其他的縣市的災害應變中心視訊的時候也是有好幾個站點我們是用地軌衛星在運作的那所以這一個東西就是要在日常的演練都要拿出來用\n442020\t462553\t那當然希望未來可以不斷的增加這個接收器的數目因為現在700多個雖然全台灣都有訊號包含離島都有訊號可是700多個只能單點的去救援那需要更多的接收器才能夠增加涵蓋率這樣我們是誤會了就是說你講的意思是說今天\n463891\t480520\t技術上它也涵蓋全島 台灣全島但是我們接收的機器不夠 車子也好機台也好 所以等於還不夠嘛 你還要繼續佈建嘛 是不是這個意思那需要多少數量 因為今天講真的你不用再演練了 我們看到台南的風災這個事情就發現了這個問題的存在\n483415\t496054\t就像我剛剛講的我們從去年的地震得到的教訓就是說這個車子不能要8小時以後才到災區所以我們就配合災害應變中心30台每一個地方都確保一個小時之內會到災區這個是爭取時效\n499738\t525188\t但是如果要涵蓋率針對這樣的大規模災害那一個車子的數量跟碟子的數量要大幅的增加我們原來有規劃一個五年計畫是要逐步增加到2500個而且這個2500個希望是涵蓋不同的衛星因為你全部依賴單一的衛星也會有風險好 既然講到不同衛星我也想要問一下因為我們現在台灣使用的是OneWeb\n525928\t543775\t好是用OneWeb那OneWeb是由我們中華電信代理的嘛代理申請的嘛對不對是由我們中華電信來申請的那今天剛剛次長也提到了我們希望有不同的衛星不同的公司來幫忙協助這個工作那為什麼台灣現在只選擇OneWeb那Starlink我們有去代理嗎有去處理嗎\n544975\t561657\t不能申請的原因或是沒有申請的原因是什麼除了跟委員報告Starlink在速發部成立的時候就有來跟我們討論過兩三次那但是呢他真我們有兩個當初是有兩個法規造成這個障礙\n563399\t583598\t那其中一個是gateway的設置另外一個是這個持股比例的設置那gateway設置這個法規限制已經拿掉了我們就是希望他能夠提供virtual的管理平台但是持股比例因為我們也就這一題跟\n586580\t605357\t包含了外國的單位也做了討論那因為這一個法規是跟跟其他國家的法規是一致的那我們也有提出就是說包含STARLINK他在日本落地的模式跟韓國落地的模式我們都可以討論但是這都牽涉到複雜的\n606858\t625712\t貿易問題跟跟自由貿易協定的問題所以所以大概之前的討論就停留在兩年前一年半前那但是我們當初要建我們當初要建設這個低軌衛星的時候呢我們也是希望一直多元所以我們同步跟好幾個廠商\n627113\t647884\t去做聯繫那目前市面上除了Sarlink以外包含了Utersight的OneWave那還有這個SES就是中軌的部分我們都已經引入台灣然後在太空中心跟國科會的指導下面在下一期的太空計畫那也有計畫要引進新的星系\n648504\t668998\t那這些新的新系因為都還在實驗的階段所以我們會持續關注也會持續的來做這樣的規劃那事實上我們是有非常我們有把握就是說任何新系只要他落地了我們一定會在第一時間讓他在台灣能夠運行\n670305\t691751\t好 市長謝謝我想時間到了那今天主要就是最後一個是要提到主要要建議說不能只有OneWeb一間公司啦如果他們是透過代理的方式我想別間提供低軌衛星或中軌衛星的這種平台的技術我們應該也要考慮進去因為今天如果只有OneWeb它的覆蓋率也好它的出狀況萬一因為尤其是現在\n692711\t708591\t我們經過這次事件之後發現我認為這樣子的一間公司的量能或是我們的技術面是沒辦法符合真的遇到緊急狀況或是萬一真的發生戰爭的時候我們是沒辦法處理的所以我希望我們數位部跟NCC能夠盡快的去跟其他公司\n709471\t735291\t能夠趕快接上這個平台不要說只有一間而已好不好是 跟剛委員補充報告這個STAR LINK如果要在台灣落地其實方法並不是說現在的外資比例是個上限是個障礙不是因為電信法到電信管理法外資比例部分這個規定都沒有修正但是電信法時期的不管是海蘭還有其他的外資比例其實當時外人要投資台灣都可以操作處理那只是說\n736832\t744581\t他實際上願不願意走以前的那種方式來處理他有意願的話就可以處理你說代理就好了嘛代理是請問處理對好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席那我們一樣請蘇衛部缺次長然後 蘇衛部缺次長NCC陳主委好 NCC陳主委\n兩位好一開始當然我們還是要關心這次的這個風災過後的一些狀況我想這個通訊斷掉我想對所有國人的影響都非常的重大因為沒有辦法通訊嘛那你看一下這個新聞這7月30號的新聞單大颱風第二十四天還有部分地方斷訊那NCC的說法是說要成立客服專線不過問題就在這裡啊今天我都沒有辦法通訊了\n那如果成立客服專線他就沒辦法通訊他怎麼讓你們知道所以今天問題當然事情發生就發生了但我們要檢討說以後如果又發生類似的狀況技術上ACC到底能不能掌握到說有些地方已經斷訊了你們會知道嗎還是一定要等人通報你們才會知道\n跟委員回報第一點這個通報部分可以是當地里長里長如果他跟他不通的在民也許不同但是他會知道的話那他可以透過他來服務然後另外第二部分剛剛委員講到說NC如何掌握哪邊通信不通\n這邊因為在海頂成立之後我們大概都跟三大跟地心業者都有在協助連線也會進駐在網辦那邊多次會有一些每家業者的網路的狀況他們都要請他們回報\n所以今天今天只是風災我們現在講因為今天剛好因為這個風災讓大家發現說原來我們通訊看起來本來就覺得我們是個先進的國家嘛科技之島但沒想到風災過後居然有這麼多地方沒辦法被沒辦法聯繫到其實說真的這個新聞就南部這個災情爆發出來還是因為有一些這個網友他們去現場拍的畫面空拍啊等等然後他們我們很多人主流媒體或是我們社會大眾突然發現到原來有這麼多地方聯繫不到\n所以我今天要問的是說你今天主委我還是要問的問題是如果今天發生這種大規模斷訊的時候你們有掌握的機制嗎還是都一定要等像你剛剛講的要離場要基層通報不用 但是其中之一而已為什麼因為業者本身都有網路管理他有通過連線的哪邊記憶體不通他那個節點就黑掉他們都知道然後他們會通報我們所以我們在統計上都說記憶體壞掉幾台都是這樣子業者的網管系統都可以知道哪些點不通\n那所以 以當當是颱風為例啦這一次你們什麼時候知道那些地方斷訊的\n其實第一時間都知道第一時間業者會通報給我們好 所以那既然第一時間知道那你看後面包含說這有提到我們接下來要談的問題去年7月8號的時候這個跟數位部有點關係去年7月8號的時候數位部講說這個非同步軌道衛星通訊已經涵蓋台灣全島那時候我們看的那個計畫裡面是因為2022年有一個前瞻計畫叫應變或暫時應用新興科技通訊\n的這個網路數位韌性的一個計畫那時候做了這樣的計畫之後7月8號的時候去年7月8號講說全島台灣就全覆蓋了所以以後萬一遇到像這種斷訊緊急事件的時候我們的敵軌衛星我們這相關東西能夠補位進來\n但是從這次的事件發生之後你會看到說包含總統去勘災然後還要去點名說特別去點名郭國文有訊號其他的沒訊號為什麼會發生這樣的事情那這個地位衛星的訊號在這樣的狀況發生的時候在這種緊急狀況發生的時候他沒有辦法馬上補位嗎還是要透過什麼機制才能夠把它補上來\n跟委員報告就是其實郭國倫委員的訊號他是中華電信那他如果是透過行動基地台車出現的那其實他就是借接低軌衛星那也就是說在在發生的第一時間我們已經調度了28台車到災區去支援那這28台車都是有低軌衛星的那但是呢因為因為只有28台28台很難去補1200\n那所以所以呃\n我們認為就是除了除了這一個低軌衛星的車跟這個行動基地台以外那強化原來的基站的建設那也是重要的一部分這個是我們在災後檢討就是包含高抗災基地台跟跟這個加油跟這個電力供應因為我們去分析1260幾個基站失效發現有40%是因為\n沒有電那有50%是因為沒有網路那有10%是其他的因素比如說鐵塔倒了或綜合性的災害那所以去補足這個光纖網路的建設跟補足電力的供應是我們在下一期前瞻預算第一個要做的事情市長\n這個前瞻計畫叫做應變或暫時應用新興科技強化通訊那今天是在風災所以大家還有辦法同步來處理那今天如果我們按照這個前瞻計畫是為了應付假設是應變這種暫時的狀況我想暫時假設真的發生戰爭\n通訊團都斷掉了那如果全台灣只有三十台車二十八台車可以用的話今天是只有台南比較嚴重所以今天要派車去台南然後覆蓋沒辦法覆蓋到這麼廣泛那如果今天全台灣都陷入這種通訊中斷的情況下\n加上你已經講了我們非同步軌道衛星是可以涵蓋台灣全球那當時的這個資訊裡面在去年也說年底前要佈建70個基地台的這個後設的這個基地台佈建完成了沒 佈建在哪裡 夠不夠\n70個基地台大部分都部件完成了那很多是在重要的通訊節點比如說立法院行政院然後還有離島離島比如說像現在的東沙島東沙島它現在的backhole就是它原來的基地台中華電信機台原來是透過同步衛星\n大概兩個月前他已經透過低軌道衛星傳回來那這個對於那個島上面的官兵的通訊品質也有很大的改善那太平島也是透過中軌衛星那包含了一些偏鄉跟島嶼的部分呢我們除了微波都是用衛星去補他的背後那另外這個700多個衛星的節點因為\n有一百多個是用來做緊急的聯繫比如說像在災害應變中心在之前的演練我們就跟內政部的災害應變中心災害應變中心跟其他的縣市的災害應變中心視訊的時候也是有好幾個站點我們是用地軌衛星在運作的那所以這一個東西就是要在日常的演練都要拿出來用\n那當然希望未來可以不斷的增加這個接收器的數目因為現在700多個雖然全台灣都有訊號包含離島都有訊號可是700多個只能單點的去救援那需要更多的接收器才能夠增加涵蓋率這樣我們是誤會了就是說你講的意思是說今天\n技術上它也涵蓋全島 台灣全島但是我們接收的機器不夠 車子也好機台也好 所以等於還不夠嘛 你還要繼續佈建嘛 是不是這個意思那需要多少數量 因為今天講真的你不用再演練了 我們看到台南的風災這個事情就發現了這個問題的存在\n就像我剛剛講的我們從去年的地震得到的教訓就是說這個車子不能要8小時以後才到災區所以我們就配合災害應變中心30台每一個地方都確保一個小時之內會到災區這個是爭取時效\n但是如果要涵蓋率針對這樣的大規模災害那一個車子的數量跟碟子的數量要大幅的增加我們原來有規劃一個五年計畫是要逐步增加到2500個而且這個2500個希望是涵蓋不同的衛星因為你全部依賴單一的衛星也會有風險好 既然講到不同衛星我也想要問一下因為我們現在台灣使用的是OneWeb\n好是用OneWeb那OneWeb是由我們中華電信代理的嘛代理申請的嘛對不對是由我們中華電信來申請的那今天剛剛次長也提到了我們希望有不同的衛星不同的公司來幫忙協助這個工作那為什麼台灣現在只選擇OneWeb那Starlink我們有去代理嗎有去處理嗎\n不能申請的原因或是沒有申請的原因是什麼除了跟委員報告Starlink在速發部成立的時候就有來跟我們討論過兩三次那但是呢他真我們有兩個當初是有兩個法規造成這個障礙\n那其中一個是gateway的設置另外一個是這個持股比例的設置那gateway設置這個法規限制已經拿掉了我們就是希望他能夠提供virtual的管理平台但是持股比例因為我們也就這一題跟\n包含了外國的單位也做了討論那因為這一個法規是跟跟其他國家的法規是一致的那我們也有提出就是說包含STARLINK他在日本落地的模式跟韓國落地的模式我們都可以討論但是這都牽涉到複雜的\n貿易問題跟跟自由貿易協定的問題所以所以大概之前的討論就停留在兩年前一年半前那但是我們當初要建我們當初要建設這個低軌衛星的時候呢我們也是希望一直多元所以我們同步跟好幾個廠商\n去做聯繫那目前市面上除了Sarlink以外包含了Utersight的OneWave那還有這個SES就是中軌的部分我們都已經引入台灣然後在太空中心跟國科會的指導下面在下一期的太空計畫那也有計畫要引進新的星系\n那這些新的新系因為都還在實驗的階段所以我們會持續關注也會持續的來做這樣的規劃那事實上我們是有非常我們有把握就是說任何新系只要他落地了我們一定會在第一時間讓他在台灣能夠運行\n好 市長謝謝我想時間到了那今天主要就是最後一個是要提到主要要建議說不能只有OneWeb一間公司啦如果他們是透過代理的方式我想別間提供低軌衛星或中軌衛星的這種平台的技術我們應該也要考慮進去因為今天如果只有OneWeb它的覆蓋率也好它的出狀況萬一因為尤其是現在\n我們經過這次事件之後發現我認為這樣子的一間公司的量能或是我們的技術面是沒辦法符合真的遇到緊急狀況或是萬一真的發生戰爭的時候我們是沒辦法處理的所以我希望我們數位部跟NCC能夠盡快的去跟其他公司\n能夠趕快接上這個平台不要說只有一間而已好不好是 跟剛委員補充報告這個STAR LINK如果要在台灣落地其實方法並不是說現在的外資比例是個上限是個障礙不是因為電信法到電信管理法外資比例部分這個規定都沒有修正但是電信法時期的不管是海蘭還有其他的外資比例其實當時外人要投資台灣都可以操作處理那只是說\n他實際上願不願意走以前的那種方式來處理他有意願的話就可以處理你說代理就好了嘛代理是請問處理對好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.209 --> 00:12.946\n好謝謝主席那我們一樣請蘇衛部缺次長然後蘇衛部缺次長NCC陳主委好NCC陳主委\n\n00:20.572 --> 00:43.922\n兩位好一開始當然我們還是要關心這次的這個風災過後的一些狀況我想這個通訊斷掉我想對所有國人的影響都非常的重大因為沒有辦法通訊嘛那你看一下這個新聞這7月30號的新聞單大颱風第二十四天還有部分地方斷訊那NCC的說法是說要成立客服專線不過問題就在這裡啊今天我都沒有辦法通訊了\n\n00:45.270 --> 01:03.104\n那如果成立客服專線他就沒辦法通訊他怎麼讓你們知道所以今天問題當然事情發生就發生了但我們要檢討說以後如果又發生類似的狀況技術上ACC到底能不能掌握到說有些地方已經斷訊了你們會知道嗎還是一定要等人通報你們才會知道\n\n01:04.874 --> 01:23.852\n跟委員回報第一點這個通報部分可以是當地里長里長如果他跟他不通的在民也許不同但是他會知道的話那他可以透過他來服務然後另外第二部分剛剛委員講到說NC如何掌握哪邊通信不通\n\n01:24.572 --> 01:37.646\n這邊因為在海頂成立之後我們大概都跟三大跟地心業者都有在協助連線也會進駐在網辦那邊多次會有一些每家業者的網路的狀況他們都要請他們回報\n\n01:39.048 --> 02:06.213\n所以今天今天只是風災我們現在講因為今天剛好因為這個風災讓大家發現說原來我們通訊看起來本來就覺得我們是個先進的國家嘛科技之島但沒想到風災過後居然有這麼多地方沒辦法被沒辦法聯繫到其實說真的這個新聞就南部這個災情爆發出來還是因為有一些這個網友他們去現場拍的畫面空拍啊等等然後他們我們很多人主流媒體或是我們社會大眾突然發現到原來有這麼多地方聯繫不到\n\n02:07.333 --> 02:35.711\n所以我今天要問的是說你今天主委我還是要問的問題是如果今天發生這種大規模斷訊的時候你們有掌握的機制嗎還是都一定要等像你剛剛講的要離場要基層通報不用但是其中之一而已為什麼因為業者本身都有網路管理他有通過連線的哪邊記憶體不通他那個節點就黑掉他們都知道然後他們會通報我們所以我們在統計上都說記憶體壞掉幾台都是這樣子業者的網管系統都可以知道哪些點不通\n\n02:36.499 --> 02:40.767\n那所以以當當是颱風為例啦這一次你們什麼時候知道那些地方斷訊的\n\n02:41.618 --> 03:06.770\n其實第一時間都知道第一時間業者會通報給我們好所以那既然第一時間知道那你看後面包含說這有提到我們接下來要談的問題去年7月8號的時候這個跟數位部有點關係去年7月8號的時候數位部講說這個非同步軌道衛星通訊已經涵蓋台灣全島那時候我們看的那個計畫裡面是因為2022年有一個前瞻計畫叫應變或暫時應用新興科技通訊\n\n03:07.890 --> 03:21.454\n的這個網路數位韌性的一個計畫那時候做了這樣的計畫之後7月8號的時候去年7月8號講說全島台灣就全覆蓋了所以以後萬一遇到像這種斷訊緊急事件的時候我們的敵軌衛星我們這相關東西能夠補位進來\n\n03:24.349 --> 03:43.157\n但是從這次的事件發生之後你會看到說包含總統去勘災然後還要去點名說特別去點名郭國文有訊號其他的沒訊號為什麼會發生這樣的事情那這個地位衛星的訊號在這樣的狀況發生的時候在這種緊急狀況發生的時候他沒有辦法馬上補位嗎還是要透過什麼機制才能夠把它補上來\n\n03:44.282 --> 04:09.567\n跟委員報告就是其實郭國倫委員的訊號他是中華電信那他如果是透過行動基地台車出現的那其實他就是借接低軌衛星那也就是說在在發生的第一時間我們已經調度了28台車到災區去支援那這28台車都是有低軌衛星的那但是呢因為因為只有28台28台很難去補1200\n\n04:13.288 --> 04:13.608\n那所以所以呃\n\n04:32.479 --> 04:56.313\n我們認為就是除了除了這一個低軌衛星的車跟這個行動基地台以外那強化原來的基站的建設那也是重要的一部分這個是我們在災後檢討就是包含高抗災基地台跟跟這個加油跟這個電力供應因為我們去分析1260幾個基站失效發現有40%是因為\n\n05:00.976 --> 05:19.828\n沒有電那有50%是因為沒有網路那有10%是其他的因素比如說鐵塔倒了或綜合性的災害那所以去補足這個光纖網路的建設跟補足電力的供應是我們在下一期前瞻預算第一個要做的事情市長\n\n05:20.929 --> 05:32.341\n這個前瞻計畫叫做應變或暫時應用新興科技強化通訊那今天是在風災所以大家還有辦法同步來處理那今天如果我們按照這個前瞻計畫是為了應付假設是應變這種暫時的狀況我想暫時假設真的發生戰爭\n\n05:38.444 --> 05:52.335\n通訊團都斷掉了那如果全台灣只有三十台車二十八台車可以用的話今天是只有台南比較嚴重所以今天要派車去台南然後覆蓋沒辦法覆蓋到這麼廣泛那如果今天全台灣都陷入這種通訊中斷的情況下\n\n05:54.537 --> 06:08.838\n加上你已經講了我們非同步軌道衛星是可以涵蓋台灣全球那當時的這個資訊裡面在去年也說年底前要佈建70個基地台的這個後設的這個基地台佈建完成了沒佈建在哪裡夠不夠\n\n06:10.279 --> 06:30.564\n70個基地台大部分都部件完成了那很多是在重要的通訊節點比如說立法院行政院然後還有離島離島比如說像現在的東沙島東沙島它現在的backhole就是它原來的基地台中華電信機台原來是透過同步衛星\n\n06:31.704 --> 06:52.590\n大概兩個月前他已經透過低軌道衛星傳回來那這個對於那個島上面的官兵的通訊品質也有很大的改善那太平島也是透過中軌衛星那包含了一些偏鄉跟島嶼的部分呢我們除了微波都是用衛星去補他的背後那另外這個700多個衛星的節點因為\n\n06:56.211 --> 07:21.380\n有一百多個是用來做緊急的聯繫比如說像在災害應變中心在之前的演練我們就跟內政部的災害應變中心災害應變中心跟其他的縣市的災害應變中心視訊的時候也是有好幾個站點我們是用地軌衛星在運作的那所以這一個東西就是要在日常的演練都要拿出來用\n\n07:22.020 --> 07:42.553\n那當然希望未來可以不斷的增加這個接收器的數目因為現在700多個雖然全台灣都有訊號包含離島都有訊號可是700多個只能單點的去救援那需要更多的接收器才能夠增加涵蓋率這樣我們是誤會了就是說你講的意思是說今天\n\n07:43.891 --> 08:00.520\n技術上它也涵蓋全島台灣全島但是我們接收的機器不夠車子也好機台也好所以等於還不夠嘛你還要繼續佈建嘛是不是這個意思那需要多少數量因為今天講真的你不用再演練了我們看到台南的風災這個事情就發現了這個問題的存在\n\n08:03.415 --> 08:16.054\n就像我剛剛講的我們從去年的地震得到的教訓就是說這個車子不能要8小時以後才到災區所以我們就配合災害應變中心30台每一個地方都確保一個小時之內會到災區這個是爭取時效\n\n08:19.738 --> 08:45.188\n但是如果要涵蓋率針對這樣的大規模災害那一個車子的數量跟碟子的數量要大幅的增加我們原來有規劃一個五年計畫是要逐步增加到2500個而且這個2500個希望是涵蓋不同的衛星因為你全部依賴單一的衛星也會有風險好既然講到不同衛星我也想要問一下因為我們現在台灣使用的是OneWeb\n\n08:45.928 --> 09:03.775\n好是用OneWeb那OneWeb是由我們中華電信代理的嘛代理申請的嘛對不對是由我們中華電信來申請的那今天剛剛次長也提到了我們希望有不同的衛星不同的公司來幫忙協助這個工作那為什麼台灣現在只選擇OneWeb那Starlink我們有去代理嗎有去處理嗎\n\n09:04.975 --> 09:21.657\n不能申請的原因或是沒有申請的原因是什麼除了跟委員報告Starlink在速發部成立的時候就有來跟我們討論過兩三次那但是呢他真我們有兩個當初是有兩個法規造成這個障礙\n\n09:23.399 --> 09:43.598\n那其中一個是gateway的設置另外一個是這個持股比例的設置那gateway設置這個法規限制已經拿掉了我們就是希望他能夠提供virtual的管理平台但是持股比例因為我們也就這一題跟\n\n09:46.580 --> 10:05.357\n包含了外國的單位也做了討論那因為這一個法規是跟跟其他國家的法規是一致的那我們也有提出就是說包含STARLINK他在日本落地的模式跟韓國落地的模式我們都可以討論但是這都牽涉到複雜的\n\n10:06.858 --> 10:25.712\n貿易問題跟跟自由貿易協定的問題所以所以大概之前的討論就停留在兩年前一年半前那但是我們當初要建我們當初要建設這個低軌衛星的時候呢我們也是希望一直多元所以我們同步跟好幾個廠商\n\n10:27.113 --> 10:47.884\n去做聯繫那目前市面上除了Sarlink以外包含了Utersight的OneWave那還有這個SES就是中軌的部分我們都已經引入台灣然後在太空中心跟國科會的指導下面在下一期的太空計畫那也有計畫要引進新的星系\n\n10:48.504 --> 11:08.998\n那這些新的新系因為都還在實驗的階段所以我們會持續關注也會持續的來做這樣的規劃那事實上我們是有非常我們有把握就是說任何新系只要他落地了我們一定會在第一時間讓他在台灣能夠運行\n\n11:10.305 --> 11:31.751\n好市長謝謝我想時間到了那今天主要就是最後一個是要提到主要要建議說不能只有OneWeb一間公司啦如果他們是透過代理的方式我想別間提供低軌衛星或中軌衛星的這種平台的技術我們應該也要考慮進去因為今天如果只有OneWeb它的覆蓋率也好它的出狀況萬一因為尤其是現在\n\n11:32.711 --> 11:48.591\n我們經過這次事件之後發現我認為這樣子的一間公司的量能或是我們的技術面是沒辦法符合真的遇到緊急狀況或是萬一真的發生戰爭的時候我們是沒辦法處理的所以我希望我們數位部跟NCC能夠盡快的去跟其他公司\n\n11:49.471 --> 12:15.291\n能夠趕快接上這個平台不要說只有一間而已好不好是跟剛委員補充報告這個STARLINK如果要在台灣落地其實方法並不是說現在的外資比例是個上限是個障礙不是因為電信法到電信管理法外資比例部分這個規定都沒有修正但是電信法時期的不管是海蘭還有其他的外資比例其實當時外人要投資台灣都可以操作處理那只是說\n\n12:16.832 --> 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