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00:01:35,065\n那麼當然就是這幾天的這個又下大好雨那可能又造成就是搶救是極為困難但是呢本席在這裡想要跟你們請教就是因為事實上災防中心這個依照就災害防救法它本來就應該有一套就是各個部會的這個災防計畫那請問到底NCC跟蘇巴部有沒有這樣子做這個災防計畫\n\n5\n00:01:42,501 --> 00:02:11,053\n跟我們報告災害防救計畫我們就有依據這個災防法請業者都是要提報然後我們會來審理然後也請他們定期每兩年都要報一次然後要更新就是事前的那事中如果發生天然災害這個既有機制我們只要是災防辦那邊或者海警成立的時候我們跟業者都會成立應變中心然後\n\n6\n00:02:11,633 --> 00:02:13,135\n都會有災情的一些協助來回應回饋處理是謝謝陳書偉因為我聽您這樣說的話好像似乎是業者提出這個災防計畫但是呢其實依照災害防救法的這個相關規定\n\n7\n00:02:28,232 --> 00:02:44,800\n行政院可能是當然的這個災害防救匯報的召集人那其他的機關其實也都有這個責任必須要去擬定相關的計畫那麼所以就NCC跟述發部你們過去從來沒有提過類似這種遇到大規模的通訊災害的時候要怎麼緊急處理\n\n8\n00:02:45,760 --> 00:03:07,076\n至少你們要有一個統籌的能力因為從這一次的情況來看發現說一旦當機地台整個都受損那麼其他的這個救援的通訊機制就是沒有辦法銜接起來或是銜接的很好所以你們之前都沒有各個書發部跟NCC都沒有相關的計畫嗎\n\n9\n00:03:08,157 --> 00:03:34,887\n跟我們報告您提的問題分兩個層次第一個層次就是關鍵基礎設施他本來就有關鍵基礎設施的應變計畫那這一個呢只要他被列為通傳的關鍵基礎設施我們都有去檢驗他的應變計畫那也有做演練那第二個是在災防的時候呢災防的時候速發部跟NCC都是在災害應變中心的水電維生組裡面\n\n10\n00:03:36,468 --> 00:03:53,613\n那我們的同仁也都會到新店的災害應變中心去值班那在每一次的會議也都會統計基地台跟這個通訊車派遣的情況那這些調度也都是在應變中心的架構裡面下的指令\n\n11\n00:03:54,005 --> 00:04:15,034\n好了解了但是就是說從這次看起來似乎就是說你們應變的處理的狀況並不是很理想那麼當然從今天你們報告裡面有看到就是說你們當時也其實也緊急了也調判了這個行動基地台車那麼請問一下各個電信業者當時個別是有幾輛還是全部都是中華電信的行動基地台的車\n\n12\n00:04:16,750 --> 00:04:40,496\n三家都有總共136台30台是自然衛星的那中華電信本身就有50台然後其他的電信業者其他電信業者台哥大跟遠傳的他們行動基地談車大概也就只有十幾二十部囉不只不只但是有衛星有自然衛星oneweb的時候各10台各是三家各10台而已\n\n13\n00:04:40,936 --> 00:05:04,824\n是可是現在就是支援OneWeb衛星的不是只有中華電信嗎就是中華電信沒有沒有沒有三家都有都是自衛部補助他們一家十台是在今年五月的時候我其實有在交通的總諮詢當中有問過說現在OneWeb的這個設置的狀況怎麼樣當時陳主委是說2024年的年底就全部都可以建置完畢\n\n14\n00:05:06,656 --> 00:05:21,732\n應該說他已經拿到我們那個審議合格所以他已經可以那去年前年以來數位部是在做POC實驗那現在已經他可以正式商轉那未來就是數位部本身有個700多點的計畫已經進行前端計畫進行了好幾年\n\n15\n00:05:24,275 --> 00:05:41,615\n因為你們之前並沒有說要把這個OneWave拿來做商轉所以這也是當時本席在總諮詢的時候有提出為什麼未來不朝向商轉的這樣的可能性你們現在看起來就是做這個OneWave的低軌衛星只是為了就是發生這種緊急狀況災害的時候要提出救援\n\n16\n00:05:44,787 --> 00:06:01,088\n對不對那但是在這一次發生這麼重大災害的時候我們看到其實這個利用低軌衛星的這個通訊的這個狀況也沒有說那麼好對所以這部分是不是應該通盤檢討而且本席在這裡要提醒就是說其實除了onewave之外還有starlinks\n\n17\n00:06:01,728 --> 00:06:22,416\n這個是全世界現在使用率最多的而且現在很多的手機基本上都已經支援Starlink或者是這個OneWave當然Starlink是因為它的這個佈局率是最高的所以你們現在是不是因為經過了這次的風災水災之後有沒有考慮就是認真考慮要開放\n\n18\n00:06:23,870 --> 00:06:46,618\n跟委員報告我們國內其實一直都持開放態度兩三年前中華電信或者其他一個其實都有在跟STARLINK在談那目前就是先前STARLINK他是有其他的考量也比較沒有意願在台灣落地其實他現在要落地的話他先前講的幾個他覺得是有問題的其實都不是問題第一個他說\n\n19\n00:06:48,118 --> 00:07:05,937\n因為當時最大的問題就是法規上面的障礙嘛他認為是外資比例那一塊其實外資比例那一塊其實不是問題因為電信法時期到現在這條規則都沒有改變但是電信法時期的海南業者那時候所謂的一流業者都要符合這個外資比例的法尊其實都可以操作都有問題那他最大的問題為什麼他不願意來台灣呢\n\n20\n00:07:11,162 --> 00:07:38,354\n因為那都是他的選擇我們中華電視也很引力去跟他談當然我們看到了其他的新聞報導好像似乎是台灣政府這邊不是很有意願開放不過我是真的認為說經過這一次的這麼重大的風災水災之後我們發現其實光是靠傳統的這種基地台或是最普遍的一般基地台的這種機制是不夠的那麼低軌衛星這個是必然的趨勢而且就像我講的其實現在很多國家都已經開放商轉了\n\n21\n00:07:39,855 --> 00:07:49,165\n如果說未來能夠讓很多的民眾當他沒有辦法連接到一般行動通訊的時候可以直接連接到低軌衛星的話這個基本上對於救災來講絕對是有幫助那我也希望就是書發部跟NCC兩個機關能夠認真的思考要朝向這方面去做開放那麼至於就是說到底什麼原因\n\n22\n00:08:00,496 --> 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謝謝陳書偉因為我聽您這樣說的話好像似乎是業者提出這個災防計畫但是呢其實依照災害防救法的這個相關規定\n148232\t164800\t行政院可能是當然的這個災害防救匯報的召集人那其他的機關其實也都有這個責任必須要去擬定相關的計畫那麼所以就NCC跟述發部你們過去從來沒有提過類似這種遇到大規模的通訊災害的時候要怎麼緊急處理\n165760\t187076\t至少你們要有一個統籌的能力因為從這一次的情況來看發現說一旦當機地台整個都受損那麼其他的這個救援的通訊機制就是沒有辦法銜接起來或是銜接的很好所以你們之前都沒有各個書發部跟NCC都沒有相關的計畫嗎\n188157\t214887\t跟我們報告您提的問題分兩個層次第一個層次就是關鍵基礎設施他本來就有關鍵基礎設施的應變計畫那這一個呢只要他被列為通傳的關鍵基礎設施我們都有去檢驗他的應變計畫那也有做演練那第二個是在災防的時候呢災防的時候速發部跟NCC都是在災害應變中心的水電維生組裡面\n216468\t233613\t那我們的同仁也都會到新店的災害應變中心去值班那在每一次的會議也都會統計基地台跟這個通訊車派遣的情況那這些調度也都是在應變中心的架構裡面下的指令\n234005\t255034\t好了解了但是就是說從這次看起來似乎就是說你們應變的處理的狀況並不是很理想那麼當然從今天你們報告裡面有看到就是說你們當時也其實也緊急了也調判了這個行動基地台車那麼請問一下各個電信業者當時個別是有幾輛還是全部都是中華電信的行動基地台的車\n256750\t280496\t三家都有 總共136台 30台是自然衛星的那中華電信本身就有50台然後其他的電信業者其他電信業者 台哥大跟遠傳的 他們行動基地談車大概也就只有十幾二十部囉不只不只 但是有衛星 有自然衛星oneweb的時候各10台 各是三家各10台而已\n280936\t304824\t是 可是現在就是支援OneWeb衛星的不是只有中華電信嗎就是中華電信沒有沒有沒有 三家都有都是自衛部補助他們一家十台是 在今年五月的時候我其實有在交通的總諮詢當中有問過說現在OneWeb的這個設置的狀況怎麼樣當時陳主委是說2024年的年底就全部都可以建置完畢\n306656\t321732\t應該說他已經拿到我們那個審議合格所以他已經可以那去年前年以來數位部是在做POC實驗那現在已經他可以正式商轉那未來就是數位部本身有個700多點的計畫已經進行前端計畫進行了好幾年\n324275\t341615\t因為你們之前並沒有說要把這個One Wave拿來做商轉所以這也是當時本席在總諮詢的時候有提出為什麼未來不朝向商轉的這樣的可能性你們現在看起來就是做這個One Wave的低軌衛星只是為了就是發生這種緊急狀況災害的時候要提出救援\n344787\t361088\t對不對那但是在這一次發生這麼重大災害的時候我們看到其實這個利用低軌衛星的這個通訊的這個狀況也沒有說那麼好對所以這部分是不是應該通盤檢討而且本席在這裡要提醒就是說其實除了one wave之外還有starlinks\n361728\t382416\t這個是全世界現在使用率最多的而且現在很多的手機基本上都已經支援Starlink或者是這個OneWave當然Starlink是因為它的這個佈局率是最高的所以你們現在是不是因為經過了這次的風災水災之後有沒有考慮就是認真考慮要開放\n383870\t406618\t跟委員報告我們國內其實一直都持開放態度兩三年前中華電信或者其他一個其實都有在跟STARLINK在談那目前就是先前STARLINK他是有其他的考量也比較沒有意願在台灣落地其實他現在要落地的話他先前講的幾個他覺得是有問題的其實都不是問題第一個他說\n408118\t425937\t因為當時最大的問題就是法規上面的障礙嘛他認為是外資比例那一塊其實外資比例那一塊其實不是問題因為電信法時期到現在這條規則都沒有改變但是電信法時期的海南業者那時候所謂的一流業者都要符合這個外資比例的法尊其實都可以操作都有問題那他最大的問題為什麼他不願意來台灣呢\n431162\t458354\t因為那都是他的選擇我們中華電視也很引力去跟他談當然我們看到了其他的新聞報導好像似乎是台灣政府這邊不是很有意願開放不過我是真的認為說經過這一次的這麼重大的風災水災之後我們發現其實光是靠傳統的這種基地台或是最普遍的一般基地台的這種機制是不夠的那麼低軌衛星這個是必然的趨勢而且就像我講的其實現在很多國家都已經開放商轉了\n459855\t469165\t如果說未來能夠讓很多的民眾當他沒有辦法連接到一般行動通訊的時候可以直接連接到低軌衛星的話這個基本上對於救災來講絕對是有幫助那我也希望就是書發部跟NCC兩個機關能夠認真的思考要朝向這方面去做開放那麼至於就是說到底什麼原因\n480496\t502325\t以至於Stonix不願意來臺灣落地來做商轉是不是可以請NCC或是書發部到底哪個機關是主管機關可以給我一份報告外資比例這邊目前是NCC管我們會寫一份報告給你還有就是說其他的原因到底現在的評審是在哪邊可以兩個禮拜之內給我一份報告說好嗎好 我們盡快好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席好 在這邊我先有請速發部的副市長然後NCC的陳主委然後在韓辦公室的王主任以及中華電信時間董事長前董事長還有我們王主任\n是 大家好是這樣子的這個這次的丹納斯颱風的災情確實是造成中南部的通訊這個破壞受損很嚴重那麼我知道其實中華電信還有包含NCC要速發布然後在防辦公室在這個過程當中其實也很盡心盡力的希望能夠儘速的搶救恢復通訊但是我們知道這個\n這個過程其實坦白說對於很多的受災民眾來講還是覺得時間太緩慢尤其是我們看到有好些地區一直拖拖到現在可能還沒有辦法全部恢復那麼這個已經從這個風災發生到現在已經大概也二十來天了\n那麼當然就是這幾天的這個又下大好雨那可能又造成就是搶救是極為困難但是呢本席在這裡想要跟你們請教就是因為事實上災防中心這個依照就災害防救法它本來就應該有一套就是各個部會的這個災防計畫那請問到底NCC跟蘇巴部有沒有這樣子做這個災防計畫\n跟我們報告災害防救計畫我們就有依據這個災防法請業者都是要提報然後我們會來審理然後也請他們定期每兩年都要報一次然後要更新就是事前的那事中如果發生天然災害這個既有機制我們只要是災防辦那邊或者海警成立的時候我們跟業者都會成立應變中心然後\n都會有災情的一些協助來回應回饋處理是 謝謝陳書偉因為我聽您這樣說的話好像似乎是業者提出這個災防計畫但是呢其實依照災害防救法的這個相關規定\n行政院可能是當然的這個災害防救匯報的召集人那其他的機關其實也都有這個責任必須要去擬定相關的計畫那麼所以就NCC跟述發部你們過去從來沒有提過類似這種遇到大規模的通訊災害的時候要怎麼緊急處理\n至少你們要有一個統籌的能力因為從這一次的情況來看發現說一旦當機地台整個都受損那麼其他的這個救援的通訊機制就是沒有辦法銜接起來或是銜接的很好所以你們之前都沒有各個書發部跟NCC都沒有相關的計畫嗎\n跟我們報告您提的問題分兩個層次第一個層次就是關鍵基礎設施他本來就有關鍵基礎設施的應變計畫那這一個呢只要他被列為通傳的關鍵基礎設施我們都有去檢驗他的應變計畫那也有做演練那第二個是在災防的時候呢災防的時候速發部跟NCC都是在災害應變中心的水電維生組裡面\n那我們的同仁也都會到新店的災害應變中心去值班那在每一次的會議也都會統計基地台跟這個通訊車派遣的情況那這些調度也都是在應變中心的架構裡面下的指令\n好了解了但是就是說從這次看起來似乎就是說你們應變的處理的狀況並不是很理想那麼當然從今天你們報告裡面有看到就是說你們當時也其實也緊急了也調判了這個行動基地台車那麼請問一下各個電信業者當時個別是有幾輛還是全部都是中華電信的行動基地台的車\n三家都有 總共136台 30台是自然衛星的那中華電信本身就有50台然後其他的電信業者其他電信業者 台哥大跟遠傳的 他們行動基地談車大概也就只有十幾二十部囉不只不只 但是有衛星 有自然衛星oneweb的時候各10台 各是三家各10台而已\n是 可是現在就是支援OneWeb衛星的不是只有中華電信嗎就是中華電信沒有沒有沒有 三家都有都是自衛部補助他們一家十台是 在今年五月的時候我其實有在交通的總諮詢當中有問過說現在OneWeb的這個設置的狀況怎麼樣當時陳主委是說2024年的年底就全部都可以建置完畢\n應該說他已經拿到我們那個審議合格所以他已經可以那去年前年以來數位部是在做POC實驗那現在已經他可以正式商轉那未來就是數位部本身有個700多點的計畫已經進行前端計畫進行了好幾年\n因為你們之前並沒有說要把這個One Wave拿來做商轉所以這也是當時本席在總諮詢的時候有提出為什麼未來不朝向商轉的這樣的可能性你們現在看起來就是做這個One Wave的低軌衛星只是為了就是發生這種緊急狀況災害的時候要提出救援\n對不對那但是在這一次發生這麼重大災害的時候我們看到其實這個利用低軌衛星的這個通訊的這個狀況也沒有說那麼好對所以這部分是不是應該通盤檢討而且本席在這裡要提醒就是說其實除了one wave之外還有starlinks\n這個是全世界現在使用率最多的而且現在很多的手機基本上都已經支援Starlink或者是這個OneWave當然Starlink是因為它的這個佈局率是最高的所以你們現在是不是因為經過了這次的風災水災之後有沒有考慮就是認真考慮要開放\n跟委員報告我們國內其實一直都持開放態度兩三年前中華電信或者其他一個其實都有在跟STARLINK在談那目前就是先前STARLINK他是有其他的考量也比較沒有意願在台灣落地其實他現在要落地的話他先前講的幾個他覺得是有問題的其實都不是問題第一個他說\n因為當時最大的問題就是法規上面的障礙嘛他認為是外資比例那一塊其實外資比例那一塊其實不是問題因為電信法時期到現在這條規則都沒有改變但是電信法時期的海南業者那時候所謂的一流業者都要符合這個外資比例的法尊其實都可以操作都有問題那他最大的問題為什麼他不願意來台灣呢\n因為那都是他的選擇我們中華電視也很引力去跟他談當然我們看到了其他的新聞報導好像似乎是台灣政府這邊不是很有意願開放不過我是真的認為說經過這一次的這麼重大的風災水災之後我們發現其實光是靠傳統的這種基地台或是最普遍的一般基地台的這種機制是不夠的那麼低軌衛星這個是必然的趨勢而且就像我講的其實現在很多國家都已經開放商轉了\n如果說未來能夠讓很多的民眾當他沒有辦法連接到一般行動通訊的時候可以直接連接到低軌衛星的話這個基本上對於救災來講絕對是有幫助那我也希望就是書發部跟NCC兩個機關能夠認真的思考要朝向這方面去做開放那麼至於就是說到底什麼原因\n以至於Stonix不願意來臺灣落地來做商轉是不是可以請NCC或是書發部到底哪個機關是主管機關可以給我一份報告外資比例這邊目前是NCC管我們會寫一份報告給你還有就是說其他的原因到底現在的評審是在哪邊可以兩個禮拜之內給我一份報告說好嗎好 我們盡快好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.162 --> 00:22.683\n主席好在這邊我先有請速發部的副市長然後NCC的陳主委然後在韓辦公室的王主任以及中華電信時間董事長前董事長還有我們王主任\n\n00:28.781 --> 00:52.169\n是大家好是這樣子的這個這次的丹納斯颱風的災情確實是造成中南部的通訊這個破壞受損很嚴重那麼我知道其實中華電信還有包含NCC要速發布然後在防辦公室在這個過程當中其實也很盡心盡力的希望能夠儘速的搶救恢復通訊但是我們知道這個\n\n00:54.889 --> 01:10.695\n這個過程其實坦白說對於很多的受災民眾來講還是覺得時間太緩慢尤其是我們看到有好些地區一直拖拖到現在可能還沒有辦法全部恢復那麼這個已經從這個風災發生到現在已經大概也二十來天了\n\n01:15.416 --> 01:35.065\n那麼當然就是這幾天的這個又下大好雨那可能又造成就是搶救是極為困難但是呢本席在這裡想要跟你們請教就是因為事實上災防中心這個依照就災害防救法它本來就應該有一套就是各個部會的這個災防計畫那請問到底NCC跟蘇巴部有沒有這樣子做這個災防計畫\n\n01:42.501 --> 02:11.053\n跟我們報告災害防救計畫我們就有依據這個災防法請業者都是要提報然後我們會來審理然後也請他們定期每兩年都要報一次然後要更新就是事前的那事中如果發生天然災害這個既有機制我們只要是災防辦那邊或者海警成立的時候我們跟業者都會成立應變中心然後\n\n02:11.633 --> 02:13.135\n都會有災情的一些協助來回應回饋處理是謝謝陳書偉因為我聽您這樣說的話好像似乎是業者提出這個災防計畫但是呢其實依照災害防救法的這個相關規定\n\n02:28.232 --> 02:44.800\n行政院可能是當然的這個災害防救匯報的召集人那其他的機關其實也都有這個責任必須要去擬定相關的計畫那麼所以就NCC跟述發部你們過去從來沒有提過類似這種遇到大規模的通訊災害的時候要怎麼緊急處理\n\n02:45.760 --> 03:07.076\n至少你們要有一個統籌的能力因為從這一次的情況來看發現說一旦當機地台整個都受損那麼其他的這個救援的通訊機制就是沒有辦法銜接起來或是銜接的很好所以你們之前都沒有各個書發部跟NCC都沒有相關的計畫嗎\n\n03:08.157 --> 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