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00:01:30,734\n那我們也期待這個水電通訊這些民生的設施必須要有這樣的一個韌性我想應該在座幾位都同意這樣的一個論調不過從這一次的這個剛剛這次委員會討論到現在我個人是蠻失望的因為我聽到的我們不是未雨綢繆在做很多的討論而是大家\n\n5\n00:01:33,836 --> 00:01:51,869\n聽起來真的是很可悲所以我想我們在座幾位我想還是有幾個問題期待未來大家要共同趕快盡快來努力的部分我想這次剛剛大家都提到基地台為什麼會有一個出現大的問題當然電力中斷是一個很大的因素那當然這個電力中斷\n\n6\n00:01:52,709 --> 00:02:14,555\n因為過去我們這個尤其我們這個費六都我們有山區有沿海地區我們記得這個整個對於這個風力對於這個颱風的一個侵襲我們這個承受力的部分那尤其大家都說這一次這個陣風高達十幾級這真的是很恐怖但是我想未來隨著極端氣候的一個影響\n\n7\n00:02:16,227 --> 00:02:39,683\n因為災害有可能會越來越多而且越來越大這不是我們可以預估所以我們必須要做更大的一個準備更好的一個因應才對啦所以我想針對這個基地台跟這個電力的部分我們還是期待這個NCC跟蘇發部一個是管理這個經費輔助一個是關電信業者怎麼樣整合這個平台我還是很期待聽到你們的答案各位請你們答覆一下\n\n8\n00:02:41,812 --> 00:02:59,862\n我這邊先簡單跟你們報告這是風災基台通信不通大概三個原因大概前面那個說不也有說明大概基台本身被摧毀然後基台沒有電然後基台後端的傳輸壞掉比方說那個光影線都他附掛在電線桿上都斷掉了\n\n9\n00:03:03,144 --> 00:03:27,882\n所以要處理這三個區塊那如果機台要讓它長得更強更強韌韌性更好的話就高抗災是個解方之一那電力的部分那如果是高抗災本身它可以撐72小時這個也沒問題那另外就是說找公有建地或者說台電來在他們的建築物上來蓋因為本身它會有那個\n\n10\n00:03:28,863 --> 00:03:49,031\n緊急電源這塊電力部分也相對沒問題在傳輸的部分這個事情我去年就提過了比如說我舉例來講嘛我們六都就是有區公所我們非六都都有鄉鎮公所我們看到狀況與商業會連鄉鎮公所自己的電力都癱瘓通區都不通他怎麼當指揮中心怎麼去調度這是大問題啊\n\n11\n00:03:50,351 --> 00:04:04,202\n這部分我去年就已經提醒要建置這樣的一個設備好像到目前為止也都沒得討論沒得說連我們的指揮中心都癱瘓怎麼樣去協助災民真的都沒有我們真的都沒有去面對這樣的一個困境然後第二個\n\n12\n00:04:05,436 --> 00:04:33,573\n剛剛提到我們業者除了中華電信當然是我們的龍頭嘛那其他兩家業者我想這個每一年我們看到大家都賺很多錢但是我們的社會責任跟企業責任在哪裡遇到事情的時候我們到底有多少的人力跟這個通訊設備能夠去支援災區我們也講不出一個數據嘛大家都要等一星期等兩星期等三星期難道要這樣子無止盡的下去等待嗎總是要有一個解決的一個方案啊\n\n13\n00:04:34,894 --> 00:04:52,965\n跟我們說明7月6號以後到試電恢復之前其實業者有就他們所能動用的資源調派行動機器車都過去然後其他機台毀損情況輕微的他們去維修然後也讓他的備用電源\n\n14\n00:04:54,267 --> 00:05:08,265\n有油機的部分去補充柴油去發電這塊就是在當時他的條件之下他能夠做的他們大概都已經做了那中華電信當然是相對他們在其他過往的比較強壯說他們這邊整體的情況會復原的更快一點\n\n15\n00:05:13,925 --> 00:05:33,397\n呃主委我還是要提醒就是說剛剛講的嘛你說那個我們建棟有在說我們用發電機嘛齁啊有的收台漏的不通還是沒辦法油就沒夠還是要怎麼辦啊這些不是只有災民欸還有連救災隊伍進去之後他們怎麼去做一個通訊的聯繫這些都是大問題有沒有什麼樣補救的一個方案\n\n16\n00:05:35,994 --> 00:06:02,572\n像這幾天水災在某些偏鄉地區我們行動業者想要進去維修可是路線不通啊工程車也沒有辦法進去所以這種情況要對應的解決方式說那基台如果蓋得夠穩夠壯的話它就相對是風險會比較低但是如果當地發生土石流那大概也是相對比較沒有辦法處理但是如果說高礦災能夠有建的話那風險係數會比較低一點\n\n17\n00:06:04,613 --> 00:06:25,583\n對啦,所以這個過去我們在沿海地區我們也要求台電嘛因為過去台電為什麼這個沿海的電感很脆弱因為長期被這個海水侵蝕之後所以加強這個基底的一個穩固性也是未來我們建設基地台要強化的一個部分啦你不能用一般的標準啦這整十幾方的標準,你要延伏十五幾個,你不也要倒移\n\n18\n00:06:26,443 --> 00:06:47,275\n我想這個未來建制基地台一定要有這個真的要超任性的一個基準來建立然後我們剛提到那個低軌衛星的行動基地台請問一下目前我們各縣市都有配置嗎跟委員報告就是我們總共有30台那是依據災害防治中心他把全台灣分成4區還是5區那這包含離島總共5區\n\n19\n00:06:53,510 --> 00:07:15,458\n北部有七台中部十台南部八台東部五台那這個都是對應到災害防治中心它的災害應變中心它的分區由這個分區來調度但是在這一次我們是把進入全台灣的行動車都調到台南跟嘉義去了這次我們使用率怎麼樣\n\n20\n00:07:17,151 --> 00:07:26,008\n根據我們看到的資料這個只要有調度過去的那個使用率都非常高包含他的資料量都非常大所以一定有這個必要性繼續建置嗎\n\n21\n00:07:28,716 --> 00:07:45,777\n我相信是有必要因為他在這一次他針對局部是有發揮關鍵的效益對但是我們未來要因應是全面性有可能會回到你現在能夠處理局部性那未來遇到更大規模甚至暫時的時候我們不是應該要做一樣超前部署的一個規劃嗎\n\n22\n00:07:47,109 --> 00:08:08,431\n局部性的因為因為這個低軌衛星的車子就像支架一樣是針對局部那你如果是全面性的其實電力的韌性跟這個光纖的韌性這個也是必須要考慮的如果是這樣講那就不用做了因為沒有通通都要做卡了那麼多的關卡都沒有一個可以竊決啊\n\n23\n00:08:10,251 --> 00:08:29,732\n全面性的災害本來就是要全面性的解決嘛你不可能單靠一招就可以解決啊對所以我們才是我剛才為什麼提說因為現在連撥泡撥泡幫你就講不清楚是要讓大家這些災民能夠安心啊所以我們在下半年的補助就會針對高抗災基地台跟發電機這邊來做補助\n\n24\n00:08:31,454 --> 00:08:54,967\n這次我就是要你講這句話是不是趁這一次我們也有特別預算有相關的預算應該是不是及早把這些我相信這一次包含不分不分朝野不分政黨我想應該大家都會支持這樣的一個預算你們要順這個資金提出你們的需求是不是應該這樣做你要分好幾次到位嗎不如要一次到位這我們看就是要一次到位所以我請裁判辦王主任\n\n25\n00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:14,359\n主任我想你剛剛也從早上做到現在那災防辦的角色來講你自己目前聽到目前為止這麼單位的答覆你個人滿意嗎\n\n26\n00:09:17,273 --> 00:09:44,610\n我們災防辦負責就是在中央災害應變中心擔任不了參謀那各部會進駐的同仁在整個應變中心的作業過程當中包括通訊的資源調度其實是他們是非常努力的因為這次災害的剛才委員有提到說風力已經超過了一些極限所以是非常的大那他們在很多的一個調度上真的都盡心盡力啦\n\n27\n00:09:44,910 --> 00:10:11,638\n但是還是有不足的地方當然是那災防辦應該扮演什麼角色可不可以再協助做整合的一個平台是對於這個部分其實在比較短期的部分我們行政院長卓院長已經在對於災後的復原重建包括通訊的這一塊剛才有提到非常多的一個委員的一些相關的建議我們可以納入\n\n28\n00:10:12,678 --> 00:10:28,824\n近期這個關於通訊把它任性把它做一些強化那中長期當然需要靠一些中長程的一個計畫去做推動在預算資源的投入人力的投入也要去做一些強化我想\n\n29\n00:10:29,764 --> 00:10:46,130\n這個對於我們整個國家未來通訊的或電力的一個韌性會去做一個很大一個因為這一次的災害的經驗我們每一次的災害經驗都是一個學習我們希望能夠去克服然後更加的一個精進這樣子\n\n30\n00:10:47,386 --> 00:11:06,142\n主任我記得我過去也在屏東縣政府服務過我們每年都會辦災害防煉演習那我想因為我們的災害型態有很多不一樣的類型那我建議應該像這次的案例應該也要做各縣市的一個演練這非常非常的重要\n\n31\n00:11:06,482 --> 00:11:21,996\n委員這建議非常好我們可以把它納入將來對於這現在已經有這樣的一個情境那這樣的一個情境下我們如何去做更好的調度支援做演練我覺得一個大規模的一個演練\n\n32\n00:11:23,097 --> 00:11:51,426\n這絕對不是只有電信業者跟NCC蘇華部的事情包含跟未來怎麼樣跟我們的這個縣市政府甚至我們鄉鎮區公所能夠做緊密的結合我想要讓所有的從中央到地方能夠緊密的針對這個救災的體系能夠完整的一個結合然後做怎麼樣一個事實的分工然後中央把資源怎麼樣能夠善盡這個中央資源讓地方能夠最快的速度來這個救災我想這應該是我們要扮演的角色\n\n33\n00:11:51,966 --> 00:12:16,814\n是是我們透過因為我們依災害防救法有一個計劃的體系剛才我也有問到就是說在事前我們就要對於大家橫向協調聯繫該怎麼做會比較好然後平時有演練在災時應變中心開設的時候大家資源調度要能夠非常到位然後才能夠再復原重建所以我還是剛剛那句話\n\n34\n00:12:18,106 --> 00:12:35,577\n藉由今天的會議我相信未來應該是我們檢討之後應該是要做未雨綢繆的準備而不是鼠狼在撥泡泡又撥不好我相信這不是我們全面所樂見的啦也期待我們這一方應該扮演更重要的一個角色能夠去做這樣的一個提醒是非常感謝委員謝謝謝謝習護魁委員的執行\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2570\t21928\t謝謝主席 有請我們 蘇發部我們的政事好 蘇發部 切政事NCC 我們陳代理主委好 NCC 陳主委中華電信 簡董事長好 中華電信 簡董事長還有台電 許副總台電 許副總您好 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是要讓大家這些災民能夠安心啊所以我們在下半年的補助就會針對高抗災基地台跟發電機這邊來做補助\n511454\t534967\t這次我就是要你講這句話是不是趁這一次我們也有特別預算有相關的預算應該是不是及早把這些我相信這一次包含不分不分朝野不分政黨我想應該大家都會支持這樣的一個預算你們要順這個資金提出你們的需求是不是應該這樣做你要分好幾次到位嗎不如要一次到位這我們看就是要一次到位所以我請裁判辦王主任\n545200\t554359\t主任我想你剛剛也從早上做到現在那災防辦的角色來講你自己目前聽到目前為止這麼單位的答覆你個人滿意嗎\n557273\t584610\t我們災防辦負責就是在中央災害應變中心擔任不了參謀那各部會進駐的同仁在整個應變中心的作業過程當中包括通訊的資源調度其實是他們是非常努力的因為這次災害的剛才委員有提到說風力已經超過了一些極限所以是非常的大那他們在很多的一個調度上真的都盡心盡力啦\n584910\t611638\t但是還是有不足的地方當然是那災防辦應該扮演什麼角色可不可以再協助做整合的一個平台是對於這個部分其實在比較短期的部分我們行政院長 卓院長已經在對於災後的復原重建包括通訊的這一塊剛才有提到非常多的一個委員的一些相關的建議我們可以納入\n612678\t628824\t近期這個關於通訊把它任性把它做一些強化那中長期當然需要靠一些中長程的一個計畫去做推動在預算資源的投入人力的投入也要去做一些強化我想\n629764\t646130\t這個對於我們整個國家未來通訊的或電力的一個韌性會去做一個很大一個因為這一次的災害的經驗我們每一次的災害經驗都是一個學習我們希望能夠去克服然後更加的一個精進這樣子\n647386\t666142\t主任我記得我過去也在屏東縣政府服務過我們每年都會辦災害防煉演習那我想因為我們的災害型態有很多不一樣的類型那我建議應該像這次的案例應該也要做各縣市的一個演練這非常非常的重要\n666482\t681996\t委員這建議非常好我們可以把它納入將來對於這現在已經有這樣的一個情境那這樣的一個情境下我們如何去做更好的調度支援做演練我覺得一個大規模的一個演練\n683097\t711426\t這絕對不是只有電信業者跟NCC蘇華部的事情包含跟未來怎麼樣跟我們的這個縣市政府甚至我們鄉鎮區公所能夠做緊密的結合我想要讓所有的從中央到地方能夠緊密的針對這個救災的體系能夠完整的一個結合然後做怎麼樣一個事實的分工然後中央把資源怎麼樣能夠善盡這個中央資源讓地方能夠最快的速度來這個救災我想這應該是我們要扮演的角色\n711966\t736814\t是是我們透過因為我們依災害防救法有一個計劃的體系剛才我也有問到就是說在事前我們就要對於大家橫向協調聯繫該怎麼做會比較好然後平時有演練在災時應變中心開設的時候大家資源調度要能夠非常到位然後才能夠再復原重建所以我還是剛剛那句話\n738106\t755577\t藉由今天的會議我相信未來應該是我們檢討之後應該是要做未雨綢繆的準備而不是鼠狼在撥泡泡又撥不好我相信這不是我們全面所樂見的啦也期待我們這一方應該扮演更重要的一個角色能夠去做這樣的一個提醒是非常感謝委員謝謝謝謝習護魁委員的執行\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請我們 蘇發部我們的政事好 蘇發部 切政事NCC 我們陳代理主委好 NCC 陳主委中華電信 簡董事長好 中華電信 簡董事長還有台電 許副總台電 許副總您好 委員好\n謝謝大家辛苦了那我想這一次是針對我們丹納斯颱風還有最近的這個豪大雨針對我們南部地區災後的這個通訊中斷的一個復原機制來做討論但是我想這個我記得去年我們去年也接連好幾個颱風包含這個康納山陀爾好幾個颱風\n清洗我們整個南部地區那我當時我記得我在委員會我就特別提出這個高抗災的基地台的一個設置還有所有一個電力系統的一個修復的一個建議然後我想我們就是因為過去屏東縣是一個颱風很容易清洗的一個縣市所以我想過去我們從屏東縣政府我們結合中央我們做了很多的努力\n那我們也期待這個水電通訊這些民生的設施必須要有這樣的一個韌性我想應該在座幾位都同意這樣的一個論調不過從這一次的這個剛剛這次委員會討論到現在我個人是蠻失望的因為我聽到的我們不是未雨綢繆在做很多的討論而是大家\n聽起來真的是很可悲所以我想我們在座幾位我想還是有幾個問題期待未來大家要共同趕快盡快來努力的部分我想這次剛剛大家都提到基地台為什麼會有一個出現大的問題當然電力中斷是一個很大的因素那當然這個電力中斷\n因為過去我們這個尤其我們這個費六都我們有山區有沿海地區我們記得這個整個對於這個風力對於這個颱風的一個侵襲我們這個承受力的部分那尤其大家都說這一次這個陣風高達十幾級這真的是很恐怖但是我想未來隨著極端氣候的一個影響\n因為災害有可能會越來越多而且越來越大這不是我們可以預估所以我們必須要做更大的一個準備更好的一個因應才對啦所以我想針對這個基地台跟這個電力的部分我們還是期待這個NCC跟蘇發部一個是管理這個經費輔助一個是關電信業者怎麼樣整合這個平台我還是很期待聽到你們的答案各位請你們答覆一下\n我這邊先簡單跟你們報告這是風災基台通信不通大概三個原因大概前面那個說不也有說明大概基台本身被摧毀然後基台沒有電然後基台後端的傳輸壞掉比方說那個光影線都他附掛在電線桿上都斷掉了\n所以要處理這三個區塊那如果機台要讓它長得更強更強韌 韌性更好的話就高抗災是個解方之一那電力的部分那如果是高抗災本身它可以撐72小時這個也沒問題那另外就是說找公有建地或者說台電來在他們的建築物上來蓋因為本身它會有那個\n緊急電源這塊電力部分也相對沒問題在傳輸的部分這個事情我去年就提過了比如說我舉例來講嘛我們六都就是有區公所我們非六都都有鄉鎮公所我們看到狀況與商業會連鄉鎮公所自己的電力都癱瘓通區都不通他怎麼當指揮中心怎麼去調度這是大問題啊\n這部分我去年就已經提醒要建置這樣的一個設備好像到目前為止也都沒得討論沒得說連我們的指揮中心都癱瘓怎麼樣去協助災民真的都沒有我們真的都沒有去面對這樣的一個困境然後第二個\n剛剛提到我們業者 除了中華電信當然是我們的龍頭嘛那其他兩家業者我想這個每一年我們看到大家都賺很多錢但是我們的社會責任跟企業責任在哪裡遇到事情的時候我們到底有多少的人力跟這個通訊設備能夠去支援災區我們也講不出一個數據嘛大家都要等一星期 等兩星期 等三星期難道要這樣子無止盡的下去等待嗎總是要有一個解決的一個方案啊\n跟我們說明7月6號以後到試電恢復之前其實業者有就他們所能動用的資源調派行動機器車都過去然後其他機台毀損情況輕微的他們去維修然後也讓他的備用電源\n有油機的部分去補充柴油去發電這塊就是在當時他的條件之下他能夠做的他們大概都已經做了那中華電信當然是相對他們在其他過往的比較強壯說他們這邊整體的情況會復原的更快一點\n呃 主委我還是要提醒就是說剛剛講的嘛 你說那個我們建棟有在說我們用發電機嘛齁 啊有的收台漏的不通 還是沒辦法 油就沒夠 還是要怎麼辦啊這些不是只有災民欸 還有連救災隊伍進去之後 他們怎麼去做一個通訊的聯繫這些都是大問題 有沒有什麼樣補救的一個方案\n像這幾天水災在某些偏鄉地區我們行動業者想要進去維修可是路線不通啊工程車也沒有辦法進去所以這種情況要對應的解決方式說那基台如果蓋得夠穩夠壯的話它就相對是風險會比較低但是如果當地發生土石流那大概也是相對比較沒有辦法處理但是如果說高礦災能夠有建的話那風險係數會比較低一點\n對啦,所以這個過去我們在沿海地區我們也要求台電嘛因為過去台電為什麼這個沿海的電感很脆弱因為長期被這個海水侵蝕之後所以加強這個基底的一個穩固性也是未來我們建設基地台要強化的一個部分啦你不能用一般的標準啦這整十幾方的標準,你要延伏十五幾個,你不也要倒移\n我想這個未來建制基地台一定要有這個真的要超任性的一個基準來建立然後我們剛提到那個低軌衛星的行動基地台請問一下目前我們各縣市都有配置嗎跟委員報告就是我們總共有30台那是依據災害防治中心他把全台灣分成4區還是5區那這包含離島總共5區\n北部有七台中部十台南部八台東部五台那這個都是對應到災害防治中心它的災害應變中心它的分區由這個分區來調度但是在這一次我們是把進入全台灣的行動車都調到台南跟嘉義去了這次我們使用率怎麼樣\n根據我們看到的資料這個只要有調度過去的那個使用率都非常高包含他的資料量都非常大所以一定有這個必要性繼續建置嗎\n我相信是有必要因為他在這一次他針對局部是有發揮關鍵的效益對但是我們未來要因應是全面性有可能會回到你現在能夠處理局部性那未來遇到更大規模甚至暫時的時候我們不是應該要做一樣超前部署的一個規劃嗎\n局部性的因為因為這個低軌衛星的車子就像支架一樣是針對局部那你如果是全面性的其實電力的韌性跟這個光纖的韌性這個也是必須要考慮的如果是這樣講那就不用做了因為沒有通通都要做卡了那麼多的關卡都沒有一個可以竊決啊\n全面性的災害本來就是要全面性的解決嘛 你不可能單靠一招就可以解決啊對 所以我們才是 我剛才為什麼提說 因為現在連撥泡 撥泡幫你就講不清楚 是要讓大家這些災民能夠安心啊所以我們在下半年的補助就會針對高抗災基地台跟發電機這邊來做補助\n這次我就是要你講這句話是不是趁這一次我們也有特別預算有相關的預算應該是不是及早把這些我相信這一次包含不分不分朝野不分政黨我想應該大家都會支持這樣的一個預算你們要順這個資金提出你們的需求是不是應該這樣做你要分好幾次到位嗎不如要一次到位這我們看就是要一次到位所以我請裁判辦王主任\n主任我想你剛剛也從早上做到現在那災防辦的角色來講你自己目前聽到目前為止這麼單位的答覆你個人滿意嗎\n我們災防辦負責就是在中央災害應變中心擔任不了參謀那各部會進駐的同仁在整個應變中心的作業過程當中包括通訊的資源調度其實是他們是非常努力的因為這次災害的剛才委員有提到說風力已經超過了一些極限所以是非常的大那他們在很多的一個調度上真的都盡心盡力啦\n但是還是有不足的地方當然是那災防辦應該扮演什麼角色可不可以再協助做整合的一個平台是對於這個部分其實在比較短期的部分我們行政院長 卓院長已經在對於災後的復原重建包括通訊的這一塊剛才有提到非常多的一個委員的一些相關的建議我們可以納入\n近期這個關於通訊把它任性把它做一些強化那中長期當然需要靠一些中長程的一個計畫去做推動在預算資源的投入人力的投入也要去做一些強化我想\n這個對於我們整個國家未來通訊的或電力的一個韌性會去做一個很大一個因為這一次的災害的經驗我們每一次的災害經驗都是一個學習我們希望能夠去克服然後更加的一個精進這樣子\n主任我記得我過去也在屏東縣政府服務過我們每年都會辦災害防煉演習那我想因為我們的災害型態有很多不一樣的類型那我建議應該像這次的案例應該也要做各縣市的一個演練這非常非常的重要\n委員這建議非常好我們可以把它納入將來對於這現在已經有這樣的一個情境那這樣的一個情境下我們如何去做更好的調度支援做演練我覺得一個大規模的一個演練\n這絕對不是只有電信業者跟NCC蘇華部的事情包含跟未來怎麼樣跟我們的這個縣市政府甚至我們鄉鎮區公所能夠做緊密的結合我想要讓所有的從中央到地方能夠緊密的針對這個救災的體系能夠完整的一個結合然後做怎麼樣一個事實的分工然後中央把資源怎麼樣能夠善盡這個中央資源讓地方能夠最快的速度來這個救災我想這應該是我們要扮演的角色\n是是我們透過因為我們依災害防救法有一個計劃的體系剛才我也有問到就是說在事前我們就要對於大家橫向協調聯繫該怎麼做會比較好然後平時有演練在災時應變中心開設的時候大家資源調度要能夠非常到位然後才能夠再復原重建所以我還是剛剛那句話\n藉由今天的會議我相信未來應該是我們檢討之後應該是要做未雨綢繆的準備而不是鼠狼在撥泡泡又撥不好我相信這不是我們全面所樂見的啦也期待我們這一方應該扮演更重要的一個角色能夠去做這樣的一個提醒是非常感謝委員謝謝謝謝習護魁委員的執行\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.570 --> 00:21.928\n謝謝主席有請我們蘇發部我們的政事好蘇發部切政事NCC我們陳代理主委好NCC陳主委中華電信簡董事長好中華電信簡董事長還有台電許副總台電許副總您好委員好\n\n00:24.075 --> 00:44.248\n謝謝大家辛苦了那我想這一次是針對我們丹納斯颱風還有最近的這個豪大雨針對我們南部地區災後的這個通訊中斷的一個復原機制來做討論但是我想這個我記得去年我們去年也接連好幾個颱風包含這個康納山陀爾好幾個颱風\n\n00:45.729 --> 01:08.320\n清洗我們整個南部地區那我當時我記得我在委員會我就特別提出這個高抗災的基地台的一個設置還有所有一個電力系統的一個修復的一個建議然後我想我們就是因為過去屏東縣是一個颱風很容易清洗的一個縣市所以我想過去我們從屏東縣政府我們結合中央我們做了很多的努力\n\n01:08.820 --> 01:30.734\n那我們也期待這個水電通訊這些民生的設施必須要有這樣的一個韌性我想應該在座幾位都同意這樣的一個論調不過從這一次的這個剛剛這次委員會討論到現在我個人是蠻失望的因為我聽到的我們不是未雨綢繆在做很多的討論而是大家\n\n01:33.836 --> 01:51.869\n聽起來真的是很可悲所以我想我們在座幾位我想還是有幾個問題期待未來大家要共同趕快盡快來努力的部分我想這次剛剛大家都提到基地台為什麼會有一個出現大的問題當然電力中斷是一個很大的因素那當然這個電力中斷\n\n01:52.709 --> 02:14.555\n因為過去我們這個尤其我們這個費六都我們有山區有沿海地區我們記得這個整個對於這個風力對於這個颱風的一個侵襲我們這個承受力的部分那尤其大家都說這一次這個陣風高達十幾級這真的是很恐怖但是我想未來隨著極端氣候的一個影響\n\n02:16.227 --> 02:39.683\n因為災害有可能會越來越多而且越來越大這不是我們可以預估所以我們必須要做更大的一個準備更好的一個因應才對啦所以我想針對這個基地台跟這個電力的部分我們還是期待這個NCC跟蘇發部一個是管理這個經費輔助一個是關電信業者怎麼樣整合這個平台我還是很期待聽到你們的答案各位請你們答覆一下\n\n02:41.812 --> 02:59.862\n我這邊先簡單跟你們報告這是風災基台通信不通大概三個原因大概前面那個說不也有說明大概基台本身被摧毀然後基台沒有電然後基台後端的傳輸壞掉比方說那個光影線都他附掛在電線桿上都斷掉了\n\n03:03.144 --> 03:27.882\n所以要處理這三個區塊那如果機台要讓它長得更強更強韌韌性更好的話就高抗災是個解方之一那電力的部分那如果是高抗災本身它可以撐72小時這個也沒問題那另外就是說找公有建地或者說台電來在他們的建築物上來蓋因為本身它會有那個\n\n03:28.863 --> 03:49.031\n緊急電源這塊電力部分也相對沒問題在傳輸的部分這個事情我去年就提過了比如說我舉例來講嘛我們六都就是有區公所我們非六都都有鄉鎮公所我們看到狀況與商業會連鄉鎮公所自己的電力都癱瘓通區都不通他怎麼當指揮中心怎麼去調度這是大問題啊\n\n03:50.351 --> 04:04.202\n這部分我去年就已經提醒要建置這樣的一個設備好像到目前為止也都沒得討論沒得說連我們的指揮中心都癱瘓怎麼樣去協助災民真的都沒有我們真的都沒有去面對這樣的一個困境然後第二個\n\n04:05.436 --> 04:33.573\n剛剛提到我們業者除了中華電信當然是我們的龍頭嘛那其他兩家業者我想這個每一年我們看到大家都賺很多錢但是我們的社會責任跟企業責任在哪裡遇到事情的時候我們到底有多少的人力跟這個通訊設備能夠去支援災區我們也講不出一個數據嘛大家都要等一星期等兩星期等三星期難道要這樣子無止盡的下去等待嗎總是要有一個解決的一個方案啊\n\n04:34.894 --> 04:52.965\n跟我們說明7月6號以後到試電恢復之前其實業者有就他們所能動用的資源調派行動機器車都過去然後其他機台毀損情況輕微的他們去維修然後也讓他的備用電源\n\n04:54.267 --> 05:08.265\n有油機的部分去補充柴油去發電這塊就是在當時他的條件之下他能夠做的他們大概都已經做了那中華電信當然是相對他們在其他過往的比較強壯說他們這邊整體的情況會復原的更快一點\n\n05:13.925 --> 05:33.397\n呃主委我還是要提醒就是說剛剛講的嘛你說那個我們建棟有在說我們用發電機嘛齁啊有的收台漏的不通還是沒辦法油就沒夠還是要怎麼辦啊這些不是只有災民欸還有連救災隊伍進去之後他們怎麼去做一個通訊的聯繫這些都是大問題有沒有什麼樣補救的一個方案\n\n05:35.994 --> 06:02.572\n像這幾天水災在某些偏鄉地區我們行動業者想要進去維修可是路線不通啊工程車也沒有辦法進去所以這種情況要對應的解決方式說那基台如果蓋得夠穩夠壯的話它就相對是風險會比較低但是如果當地發生土石流那大概也是相對比較沒有辦法處理但是如果說高礦災能夠有建的話那風險係數會比較低一點\n\n06:04.613 --> 06:25.583\n對啦,所以這個過去我們在沿海地區我們也要求台電嘛因為過去台電為什麼這個沿海的電感很脆弱因為長期被這個海水侵蝕之後所以加強這個基底的一個穩固性也是未來我們建設基地台要強化的一個部分啦你不能用一般的標準啦這整十幾方的標準,你要延伏十五幾個,你不也要倒移\n\n06:26.443 --> 06:47.275\n我想這個未來建制基地台一定要有這個真的要超任性的一個基準來建立然後我們剛提到那個低軌衛星的行動基地台請問一下目前我們各縣市都有配置嗎跟委員報告就是我們總共有30台那是依據災害防治中心他把全台灣分成4區還是5區那這包含離島總共5區\n\n06:53.510 --> 07:15.458\n北部有七台中部十台南部八台東部五台那這個都是對應到災害防治中心它的災害應變中心它的分區由這個分區來調度但是在這一次我們是把進入全台灣的行動車都調到台南跟嘉義去了這次我們使用率怎麼樣\n\n07:17.151 --> 07:26.008\n根據我們看到的資料這個只要有調度過去的那個使用率都非常高包含他的資料量都非常大所以一定有這個必要性繼續建置嗎\n\n07:28.716 --> 07:45.777\n我相信是有必要因為他在這一次他針對局部是有發揮關鍵的效益對但是我們未來要因應是全面性有可能會回到你現在能夠處理局部性那未來遇到更大規模甚至暫時的時候我們不是應該要做一樣超前部署的一個規劃嗎\n\n07:47.109 --> 08:08.431\n局部性的因為因為這個低軌衛星的車子就像支架一樣是針對局部那你如果是全面性的其實電力的韌性跟這個光纖的韌性這個也是必須要考慮的如果是這樣講那就不用做了因為沒有通通都要做卡了那麼多的關卡都沒有一個可以竊決啊\n\n08:10.251 --> 08:29.732\n全面性的災害本來就是要全面性的解決嘛你不可能單靠一招就可以解決啊對所以我們才是我剛才為什麼提說因為現在連撥泡撥泡幫你就講不清楚是要讓大家這些災民能夠安心啊所以我們在下半年的補助就會針對高抗災基地台跟發電機這邊來做補助\n\n08:31.454 --> 08:54.967\n這次我就是要你講這句話是不是趁這一次我們也有特別預算有相關的預算應該是不是及早把這些我相信這一次包含不分不分朝野不分政黨我想應該大家都會支持這樣的一個預算你們要順這個資金提出你們的需求是不是應該這樣做你要分好幾次到位嗎不如要一次到位這我們看就是要一次到位所以我請裁判辦王主任\n\n09:05.200 --> 09:14.359\n主任我想你剛剛也從早上做到現在那災防辦的角色來講你自己目前聽到目前為止這麼單位的答覆你個人滿意嗎\n\n09:17.273 --> 09:44.610\n我們災防辦負責就是在中央災害應變中心擔任不了參謀那各部會進駐的同仁在整個應變中心的作業過程當中包括通訊的資源調度其實是他們是非常努力的因為這次災害的剛才委員有提到說風力已經超過了一些極限所以是非常的大那他們在很多的一個調度上真的都盡心盡力啦\n\n09:44.910 --> 10:11.638\n但是還是有不足的地方當然是那災防辦應該扮演什麼角色可不可以再協助做整合的一個平台是對於這個部分其實在比較短期的部分我們行政院長卓院長已經在對於災後的復原重建包括通訊的這一塊剛才有提到非常多的一個委員的一些相關的建議我們可以納入\n\n10:12.678 --> 10:28.824\n近期這個關於通訊把它任性把它做一些強化那中長期當然需要靠一些中長程的一個計畫去做推動在預算資源的投入人力的投入也要去做一些強化我想\n\n10:29.764 --> 10:46.130\n這個對於我們整個國家未來通訊的或電力的一個韌性會去做一個很大一個因為這一次的災害的經驗我們每一次的災害經驗都是一個學習我們希望能夠去克服然後更加的一個精進這樣子\n\n10:47.386 --> 11:06.142\n主任我記得我過去也在屏東縣政府服務過我們每年都會辦災害防煉演習那我想因為我們的災害型態有很多不一樣的類型那我建議應該像這次的案例應該也要做各縣市的一個演練這非常非常的重要\n\n11:06.482 --> 11:21.996\n委員這建議非常好我們可以把它納入將來對於這現在已經有這樣的一個情境那這樣的一個情境下我們如何去做更好的調度支援做演練我覺得一個大規模的一個演練\n\n11:23.097 --> 11:51.426\n這絕對不是只有電信業者跟NCC蘇華部的事情包含跟未來怎麼樣跟我們的這個縣市政府甚至我們鄉鎮區公所能夠做緊密的結合我想要讓所有的從中央到地方能夠緊密的針對這個救災的體系能夠完整的一個結合然後做怎麼樣一個事實的分工然後中央把資源怎麼樣能夠善盡這個中央資源讓地方能夠最快的速度來這個救災我想這應該是我們要扮演的角色\n\n11:51.966 --> 12:16.814\n是是我們透過因為我們依災害防救法有一個計劃的體系剛才我也有問到就是說在事前我們就要對於大家橫向協調聯繫該怎麼做會比較好然後平時有演練在災時應變中心開設的時候大家資源調度要能夠非常到位然後才能夠再復原重建所以我還是剛剛那句話\n\n12:18.106 --> 12:35.577\n藉由今天的會議我相信未來應該是我們檢討之後應該是要做未雨綢繆的準備而不是鼠狼在撥泡泡又撥不好我相信這不是我們全面所樂見的啦也期待我們這一方應該扮演更重要的一個角色能夠去做這樣的一個提醒是非常感謝委員謝謝謝謝習護魁委員的執行\n\n","segments":[{"start":2.57,"end":21.928,"text":"謝謝主席 有請我們 蘇發部我們的政事好 蘇發部 切政事NCC 我們陳代理主委好 NCC 陳主委中華電信 簡董事長好 中華電信 簡董事長還有台電 許副總台電 許副總您好 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有沒有什麼樣補救的一個方案"},{"start":335.994,"end":362.572,"text":"像這幾天水災在某些偏鄉地區我們行動業者想要進去維修可是路線不通啊工程車也沒有辦法進去所以這種情況要對應的解決方式說那基台如果蓋得夠穩夠壯的話它就相對是風險會比較低但是如果當地發生土石流那大概也是相對比較沒有辦法處理但是如果說高礦災能夠有建的話那風險係數會比較低一點"},{"start":364.613,"end":385.583,"text":"對啦,所以這個過去我們在沿海地區我們也要求台電嘛因為過去台電為什麼這個沿海的電感很脆弱因為長期被這個海水侵蝕之後所以加強這個基底的一個穩固性也是未來我們建設基地台要強化的一個部分啦你不能用一般的標準啦這整十幾方的標準,你要延伏十五幾個,你不也要倒移"},{"start":386.443,"end":407.275,"text":"我想這個未來建制基地台一定要有這個真的要超任性的一個基準來建立然後我們剛提到那個低軌衛星的行動基地台請問一下目前我們各縣市都有配置嗎跟委員報告就是我們總共有30台那是依據災害防治中心他把全台灣分成4區還是5區那這包含離島總共5區"},{"start":413.51,"end":435.458,"text":"北部有七台中部十台南部八台東部五台那這個都是對應到災害防治中心它的災害應變中心它的分區由這個分區來調度但是在這一次我們是把進入全台灣的行動車都調到台南跟嘉義去了這次我們使用率怎麼樣"},{"start":437.151,"end":446.008,"text":"根據我們看到的資料這個只要有調度過去的那個使用率都非常高包含他的資料量都非常大所以一定有這個必要性繼續建置嗎"},{"start":448.716,"end":465.777,"text":"我相信是有必要因為他在這一次他針對局部是有發揮關鍵的效益對但是我們未來要因應是全面性有可能會回到你現在能夠處理局部性那未來遇到更大規模甚至暫時的時候我們不是應該要做一樣超前部署的一個規劃嗎"},{"start":467.109,"end":488.431,"text":"局部性的因為因為這個低軌衛星的車子就像支架一樣是針對局部那你如果是全面性的其實電力的韌性跟這個光纖的韌性這個也是必須要考慮的如果是這樣講那就不用做了因為沒有通通都要做卡了那麼多的關卡都沒有一個可以竊決啊"},{"start":490.251,"end":509.732,"text":"全面性的災害本來就是要全面性的解決嘛 你不可能單靠一招就可以解決啊對 所以我們才是 我剛才為什麼提說 因為現在連撥泡 撥泡幫你就講不清楚 是要讓大家這些災民能夠安心啊所以我們在下半年的補助就會針對高抗災基地台跟發電機這邊來做補助"},{"start":511.454,"end":534.967,"text":"這次我就是要你講這句話是不是趁這一次我們也有特別預算有相關的預算應該是不是及早把這些我相信這一次包含不分不分朝野不分政黨我想應該大家都會支持這樣的一個預算你們要順這個資金提出你們的需求是不是應該這樣做你要分好幾次到位嗎不如要一次到位這我們看就是要一次到位所以我請裁判辦王主任"},{"start":545.2,"end":554.359,"text":"主任我想你剛剛也從早上做到現在那災防辦的角色來講你自己目前聽到目前為止這麼單位的答覆你個人滿意嗎"},{"start":557.273,"end":584.61,"text":"我們災防辦負責就是在中央災害應變中心擔任不了參謀那各部會進駐的同仁在整個應變中心的作業過程當中包括通訊的資源調度其實是他們是非常努力的因為這次災害的剛才委員有提到說風力已經超過了一些極限所以是非常的大那他們在很多的一個調度上真的都盡心盡力啦"},{"start":584.91,"end":611.638,"text":"但是還是有不足的地方當然是那災防辦應該扮演什麼角色可不可以再協助做整合的一個平台是對於這個部分其實在比較短期的部分我們行政院長 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