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00:01:36,882\n本身要去執行清通道路的這些廠商他根本沒有辦法去執行這些任務的時候那就導致我們道路首先不能通道路不能通的話台電不能進入台電不能進入的話電信全部都沒有辦法進入所以這些緊急的相關的通訊設備數位部有沒有討論過這些關鍵的這一些來去排除緊急障礙的這些廠商他們自己的在家居家喔\n\n5\n00:01:37,082 --> 00:01:47,301\n不是公司喔因為他們接到電話或者是要接到訊息或者看到狀況的話他們要去執行公務的時候他們本身他們家裡就必須要有這些緊急通訊的設備不知道有沒有做這些準備\n\n6\n00:01:49,225 --> 00:02:15,552\n跟委員簡單回應就是跨部會要協力的部分在我們災防辦的那個應變中心那邊其實都有協調各部會有遇到什麼狀況要各部會來協調處理像剛剛委員提到說道路不通需要當地政府或者中央部會來協力的部分在那個機制底下會有這個協作會有這個協調通報機制我相信那邊應該可以做一定程度的處理\n\n7\n00:02:16,854 --> 00:02:43,365\n因為就是沒有得到緩解沒有得到處理上次就是有這樣子的例子在所以我這次特別提出來我是希望說數位部可以一起跟他們思考因為隨時都有可能再有下一次的天災那這一些的承包商他們是要排除道路障礙的承包商是要讓電信能夠通訊能夠順利進去來去復原的承包商他們必須要有最基本的通訊設備那這個通訊設備不是只有市化或者是他們手機因為那個時候都沒有通訊所以\n\n8\n00:02:44,665 --> 00:02:56,539\n可能包含緊急的這個無線電的系統或者是因為他們是在某一個鄉鎮裡面他就是負責那個鄉鎮嘛所以他必須要跟公所或者他必須跟消防隊至少有點對接這個應該很好去處理是吧\n\n9\n00:02:59,682 --> 00:03:16,130\n根本的報告其實我相信災防中主管機關其實會有一些衛星大哥大那些都可以來會有一個相關的工具來處理如果他們需要的話他們其實他們已經有這個資源像在IMASA他們都有這個\n\n10\n00:03:17,130 --> 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像剛剛委員所提到4小時是基本配備那高抗災部分是要要求72小時那另外剛剛講說抗風係數目前NCG的審議規範就已經要求要抗15級風那未來如果極端氣候需要再調整我們會跟 我們會來與時並進來檢討這個抗風級數的要求要不要提高\n278715\t294469\t好 因為我想就是這一次就把它當成是一個基礎就是說從今天開始我們可能會遇到的這個災損的狀況可能就是由這次NAS颱風作為基礎所以相關的這個規格可能就要以這次為基礎\n295129\t317816\t那我當然知道過去我們都會有什麼20年30年等等的標準等等那這一次可能就是未來天災或者是極端氣候可能會成為常態這樣的狀況之下我們的備援電力跟抗風結構能力的這個規格可能要向上提升那向上提升的話當然會付出的預算會比較多所以我們才特別請行政院提出特別的預算把這個多餘的這些成本納入考量\n318416\t333313\t那剛才提到的就是我們講到通訊的這個韌性我知道你說災防辦要去做處理災防等等等等但是我還是一樣提到規格就是包含這一次我提到的這些承包商他們也必須納入緊急\n334454\t362427\t應變或者是數位韌性的規格裡面也就是說以後我們要求這個相公所也好或者是縣府也好或者是行政院的中央部會也好我們配合的這些契約廠商他必須有一定的通訊能力不是什麼東西都去找政府你竟然要承包這個開口契約來去來去成造這個重要的這個緊急應變你必須要除了你本身之外的這個通訊設備你才可以在你自己需要幫忙的時候可以聯繫到外界\n362887\t391322\t你當你自己要去做緊急救助的時候你自己不能夠沒有得到幫助然後你根本出不去那這會延緩很多所以剛才我知道有些委員會說為什麼幾個小時都還沒有過去都還沒有辦法幫助因為有很多的例子是這些執行第一線的這些人員他們根本也在受困的狀況之下甚至是沒有通訊的狀況之下所以我剛才作為立法委員我不是指揮系統的這個一環事實上我認為我想藉著這次機會跟大家講說在指揮系統的一環就是說不可以在\n392663\t412796\t在災難的當時所有的民代我們全部都擠到第一線我們應該是可以去關心但是要讓現場的行政的指揮系統他不能夠被我們指指點點我們是在之後在災害之後我們提出來的是我們的政策 我們的規格 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