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00:03:20,737\n實施之後還是發生了這麼多重大的兇殺命案那我們想說這個是不是因為我們的罰則太輕因為看違反保護令這裡面有七成的被判拘役但是這裡面有九成五幾乎都是一顆罰金而且這個罰金大概都在三萬塊以下所以我們看起來這個處罰根本沒有威嚇的效果而且也沒有\n\n10\n00:03:21,937 --> 00:03:36,227\n這裡面我們也覺得缺乏了我們強制治療跟行為矯正的問題所以大家一直說這個保護令根本就是紙上彈兵那是不是我們警政跟社福\n\n11\n00:03:36,967 --> 00:03:55,023\n這些跨部門是不是應該要資源來整合來加強監督不然這個申請保護令看起來反而激怒了加害者反而發生更多嚴重的事情你看像我們第一個我們\n\n12\n00:03:56,340 --> 00:04:23,117\n信義區這夜店裡公關這割喉案他的保護令7月29號生效結果7月30號他就受害那新北土城街頭家暴命案7月6號犯案7月7號上午開庭結果他下午就去發生了這兇殺命案所以照這樣子看起來反而激怒了加害者所以是不是針對這些問題我們應該要有一個\n\n13\n00:04:26,431 --> 00:04:54,705\n比較好的方式去做處理不然反而這個保護令下去沒有實質的去做一些強制治療跟後續的社工去去跟監跟蹤處理後續的追蹤然後後續一些行為矯正的問題而且有些已經發生了結果說情節不重大就把它放出來一放出來以後結果發生了不可挽回的一些命案\n\n14\n00:04:55,305 --> 00:05:08,394\n那是不是針對這一部分,我們應該做一個檢討、做一個討論是的,這個就是我們在精進,網絡的一個共同落實來相關的一個安全計畫\n\n15\n00:05:11,775 --> 00:05:26,990\n所以我覺得這個後續申請保護令之後其實後續有一些問題像加害者甚至這個被害人是不是我們應該社工要去介入去追蹤是不是加害者在精神各方面\n\n16\n00:05:27,470 --> 00:05:44,484\n是不是有一些问题并不是申请保护令以后结果就不去管他结果发生了不可挽回的事情我们再来追踪一下因为其实我们现在社会上常常发生很多精神上面的问题结果很多的民众去报案\n\n17\n00:05:44,924 --> 00:06:08,796\n他們都說不會怎麼樣啊這情節很輕啊沒有怎麼樣結果都等到事情發生了以後民眾都講我早就已經講了結果連報警都沒辦法處理找各個主管單位來也沒辦法處理都等到事情發生以後才來檢討機制都有就是要落實那我想委員講的這幾個案例都在落實面的部分我們還可以再\n\n18\n00:06:09,626 --> 00:06:29,099\n網絡之間彼此大家來彼此提醒然後在機制部分再來重新做一些調整對像我們我請問一下部長我們跟地方法院是不是有推行高風險家庭的個案管理那請問一下這高風險家庭的個案這怎麼定義我們這個有有一個評估\n\n19\n00:06:36,747 --> 00:07:02,103\n平等量表來評估有八個題目來評估到達一定的分數的時候就是列為比較高風險所以其實針對這高風險的個案那我想請問一下像我們剛剛舉的這幾個例子它本身有沒有被列入高風險土城那一案後來在後來有手動進然後台北市那一案是有兩案都有\n\n20\n00:07:03,274 --> 00:07:23,819\n兩岸都有列入高風險那有列入高風險我們後來有什麼機制去做處理嗎因為這個後來導致的命案真的來得又快又急那高風險的這個網絡會議都在進行中也在提醒被害人的安全跟加害人的行為的約制告誡\n\n21\n00:07:24,659 --> 00:07:40,990\n那都在這個過程都有注意但是就是在那個時間來得又快又急所以剛才前端早上有很多委員提到所謂的預警機制有沒有一些要服以電子監控這個部分這個恐怕是將來我們要來處理的問題他列入高風險以後是不是我們就會啟動這個儲遇計畫\n\n22\n00:07:47,839 --> 00:08:08,218\n沒有處於計畫是要到保護令法院要核發第十款的加害人處於計畫那個是保護令要有這個核發這一款才會有治療或者是輔導這個機制那他已經列入高風險家庭個案我們都社工都沒有去強制去諮詢去輔導甚至做一些精神治療這方面的問題去處理嗎\n\n23\n00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:39,435\n在高風險的平台會議裡頭相對人因為他還沒有申請保護令他叫相對人那相對人有相對人的服務也就是說他也有社工那這兩岸的部分都有相對人服務但是的確這些案件社工在追甚至要提供服務的時候都約談不到都約尋不到這都是很困難的地方因為他沒有約束力那他就是一個服務方案\n\n24\n00:08:40,937 --> 00:09:01,665\n現在他們申請保護令之後其實反而發生了很多重大的兇殺命案所以其實保護令其實只是一個開端是不是我們後期應該針對他申請保護令之後甚至他已經列入高風險家庭個案我們就應該要有精神醫療跟社工\n\n25\n00:09:04,066 --> 00:09:33,349\n强制去介入甚至像这些加害人就应该要去做一些辅导甚至要去做一些精神治疗这一方面应该是要有强制力才对啊所以是不是我们这一部分是不是应该要修法增订我们精神医疗与社工强制介入的条文尤其他这个已经都列入高风险了结果你还是没有机制去做处理啊那这样子列入高风险家庭个案有什么意义呢\n\n26\n00:09:36,027 --> 00:09:40,658\n我想委員所提的這個我們會在精進的過程當中列納入來\n\n27\n00:09:42,527 --> 00:10:07,265\n所以这边建议部长我们就增订精神医疗与社工强制介入的条文而且我们要设立高风险家庭个案处理这个处于专法机制针对这部分已经列入了结果你没有实质的作为那列入根本毫无意义又是一个纸上谈边只是列入以后并没有实质强制介入去做一些\n\n28\n00:10:07,925 --> 00:10:23,586\n精神醫療或者社工強制去介入去了解去輔導甚至請他們去諮商做一些心理輔導一些的作為謝謝委員提出這麼重要的一個建議我們在精進的時候其實我們也有朝這個方向在努力\n\n29\n00:10:24,407 --> 00:10:51,347\n但是謝謝這個寶貴的意見一定納入進去來把它精進因為居然事情已經發生了前面發生了我們來不及擬補但是後續針對這部分我們這些增訂的條文還有該設立這些機制我希望部長我們好好研議一下不然最近這個事情一連串的發生對於我們整個社會上治安上也是一個重大的影響我們也十分難過所以一定會精進來\n\n30\n00:10:53,249 --> 00:11:04,919\n經濟相關的一個計畫好希望那個部長喔這個有些部分像我們社福啊還有警政還有衛福我們這個跨部會的來來去檢討來去跨部會這個機制來把他們合作來處理這個問題好感謝委員好那請部長再多費心好謝謝謝謝主席謝謝徒兒\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n200\t7282\t那先請我們邱部長還有我們法務部的張司長那我先請教一下我們張司長\n21840\t40161\t那我們最近你看這幾週內發生了這麼多政經社會的重大面案你看一個是我們信義夜店的割喉案那這個加害人他本身其實就有前科跟糾纏的記錄那第二件是我們土城的殺妻案\n40902\t62821\t那兇嫌你看在馬上違反保護令之後開庭然後馬上就犯下了這起的兇殺案那第三件我們封員的砍人案那今天早上凌晨我們嘉義又發生了一起家暴的兇殺案那這些共同點基本上他們都是有申請保護令對不對\n64582\t80188\t那所以我們想了解一下你看這這麼短的時間內他們都有申請保護令然後而且還馬上犯下這麼嚴重甚至都有上命那請問一下那這個制度上是不是有出現了什麼問題\n84966\t101012\t我先報告一下,我想民事保護令這個制度,其實是還是有保護被害人跟他家人的一個作用八成的加害人是不會再施保,但是如果有前科精神疾病\n101952\t115523\t或者嚴重暴力、脅迫等還有剛剛其實很多委員有指教在爭吵的那種特別是情緒比較不穩定的時候當然都可能會發生所以我們未來就是來精進\n118305\t142037\t整個加強刑事的司法技術力還有網絡我們網絡共同來落實相關的安全計畫這樣來維護被害人的安全那至於空窗期的時候我們當然也是希望各個防治網的成員能夠提高敏感度加害人如果有跟蹤騷擾的情況我想警方應該依法對加害人進行查房約告誡\n143058\t169443\t病逝危機的程度來提高頻率採取必要的安全措施對 部長因為我們知道你看這麼短的時間內就發生這麼多嚴重的兇殺命案那據我們來了解每年申請保護令的數量我們看這111年到113年大概每年平均大概是三萬六千件那我們核發的數量大概有兩萬件那它現在這個保護令\n172462\t200737\t實施之後還是發生了這麼多重大的兇殺命案那我們想說這個是不是因為我們的罰則太輕因為看違反保護令這裡面有七成的被判拘役但是這裡面有九成五幾乎都是一顆罰金而且這個罰金大概都在三萬塊以下所以我們看起來這個處罰根本沒有威嚇的效果而且也沒有\n201937\t216227\t這裡面我們也覺得缺乏了我們強制治療跟行為矯正的問題所以大家一直說這個保護令根本就是紙上彈兵那是不是我們警政跟社福\n216967\t235023\t這些跨部門是不是應該要資源來整合來加強監督不然這個申請保護令看起來反而激怒了加害者反而發生更多嚴重的事情你看像我們第一個我們\n236340\t263117\t信義區這夜店裡公關這割喉案他的保護令7月29號生效結果7月30號他就受害那新北土城街頭家暴命案7月6號犯案7月7號上午開庭結果他下午就去發生了這兇殺命案所以照這樣子看起來反而激怒了加害者所以是不是針對這些問題我們應該要有一個\n266431\t294705\t比較好的方式去做處理不然反而這個保護令下去沒有實質的去做一些強制治療跟後續的社工去去跟監跟蹤處理後續的追蹤然後後續一些行為矯正的問題而且有些已經發生了結果說情節不重大就把它放出來一放出來以後結果發生了不可挽回的一些命案\n295305\t308394\t那是不是針對這一部分,我們應該做一個檢討、做一個討論是的,這個就是我們在精進,網絡的一個共同落實來相關的一個安全計畫\n311775\t326990\t所以我覺得這個後續申請保護令之後其實後續有一些問題像加害者甚至這個被害人是不是我們應該社工要去介入去追蹤是不是加害者在精神各方面\n327470\t344484\t是不是有一些问题并不是申请保护令以后结果就不去管他结果发生了不可挽回的事情我们再来追踪一下因为其实我们现在社会上常常发生很多精神上面的问题结果很多的民众去报案\n344924\t368796\t他們都說不會怎麼樣啊這情節很輕啊沒有怎麼樣結果都等到事情發生了以後民眾都講我早就已經講了結果連報警都沒辦法處理找各個主管單位來也沒辦法處理都等到事情發生以後才來檢討機制都有就是要落實那我想委員講的這幾個案例都在落實面的部分我們還可以再\n369626\t389099\t網絡之間彼此大家來彼此提醒然後在機制部分再來重新做一些調整對像我們我請問一下部長我們跟地方法院是不是有推行高風險家庭的個案管理那請問一下這高風險家庭的個案這怎麼定義我們這個有有一個評估\n396747\t422103\t平等量表來評估有八個題目來評估到達一定的分數的時候就是列為比較高風險所以其實針對這高風險的個案那我想請問一下像我們剛剛舉的這幾個例子它本身有沒有被列入高風險土城那一案後來在後來有手動進然後台北市那一案是有兩案都有\n423274\t443819\t兩岸都有列入高風險那有列入高風險我們後來有什麼機制去做處理嗎因為這個後來導致的命案真的來得又快又急那高風險的這個網絡會議都在進行中也在提醒被害人的安全跟加害人的行為的約制告誡\n444659\t460990\t那都在這個過程都有注意但是就是在那個時間來得又快又急所以剛才前端早上有很多委員提到所謂的預警機制有沒有一些要服以電子監控這個部分這個恐怕是將來我們要來處理的問題他列入高風險以後是不是我們就會啟動這個儲遇計畫\n467839\t488218\t沒有 處於計畫是要到保護令法院要核發第十款的加害人處於計畫那個是保護令要有這個核發這一款才會有治療或者是輔導這個機制那他已經列入高風險家庭個案我們都社工都沒有去強制去諮詢去輔導甚至做一些精神治療這方面的問題去處理嗎\n491600\t519435\t在高風險的平台會議裡頭相對人因為他還沒有申請保護令他叫相對人那相對人有相對人的服務也就是說他也有社工那這兩岸的部分都有相對人服務但是的確這些案件社工在追甚至要提供服務的時候都約談不到都約尋不到這都是很困難的地方因為他沒有約束力那他就是一個服務方案\n520937\t541665\t現在他們申請保護令之後其實反而發生了很多重大的兇殺命案所以其實保護令其實只是一個開端是不是我們後期應該針對他申請保護令之後甚至他已經列入高風險家庭個案我們就應該要有精神醫療跟社工\n544066\t573349\t强制去介入甚至像这些加害人就应该要去做一些辅导甚至要去做一些精神治疗这一方面应该是要有强制力才对啊所以是不是我们这一部分是不是应该要修法增订我们精神医疗与社工强制介入的条文尤其他这个已经都列入高风险了结果你还是没有机制去做处理啊那这样子列入高风险家庭个案有什么意义呢\n576027\t580658\t我想委員所提的這個我們會在精進的過程當中列納入來\n582527\t607265\t所以这边建议部长我们就增订精神医疗与社工强制介入的条文而且我们要设立高风险家庭个案处理这个处于专法机制针对这部分已经列入了结果你没有实质的作为那列入根本毫无意义又是一个纸上谈边只是列入以后并没有实质强制介入去做一些\n607925\t623586\t精神醫療或者社工強制去介入去了解去輔導甚至請他們去諮商做一些心理輔導一些的作為謝謝委員提出這麼重要的一個建議我們在精進的時候其實我們也有朝這個方向在努力\n624407\t651347\t但是謝謝這個寶貴的意見一定納入進去來把它精進因為居然事情已經發生了前面發生了我們來不及擬補但是後續針對這部分我們這些增訂的條文還有該設立這些機制我希望部長我們好好研議一下不然最近這個事情一連串的發生對於我們整個社會上治安上也是一個重大的影響我們也十分難過所以一定會精進來\n653249\t664919\t經濟相關的一個計畫好 希望那個部長喔 這個有些部分像我們社福啊 還有警政還有衛福 我們這個跨部會的來來去檢討 來去跨部會這個機制來把他們合作來處理這個問題好 感謝委員好 那請部長再多費心好 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝徒兒\n","txt":"那先請我們邱部長還有我們法務部的張司長那我先請教一下我們張司長\n那我們最近你看這幾週內發生了這麼多政經社會的重大面案你看一個是我們信義夜店的割喉案那這個加害人他本身其實就有前科跟糾纏的記錄那第二件是我們土城的殺妻案\n那兇嫌你看在馬上違反保護令之後開庭然後馬上就犯下了這起的兇殺案那第三件我們封員的砍人案那今天早上凌晨我們嘉義又發生了一起家暴的兇殺案那這些共同點基本上他們都是有申請保護令對不對\n那所以我們想了解一下你看這這麼短的時間內他們都有申請保護令然後而且還馬上犯下這麼嚴重甚至都有上命那請問一下那這個制度上是不是有出現了什麼問題\n我先報告一下,我想民事保護令這個制度,其實是還是有保護被害人跟他家人的一個作用八成的加害人是不會再施保,但是如果有前科精神疾病\n或者嚴重暴力、脅迫等還有剛剛其實很多委員有指教在爭吵的那種特別是情緒比較不穩定的時候當然都可能會發生所以我們未來就是來精進\n整個加強刑事的司法技術力還有網絡我們網絡共同來落實相關的安全計畫這樣來維護被害人的安全那至於空窗期的時候我們當然也是希望各個防治網的成員能夠提高敏感度加害人如果有跟蹤騷擾的情況我想警方應該依法對加害人進行查房約告誡\n病逝危機的程度來提高頻率採取必要的安全措施對 部長因為我們知道你看這麼短的時間內就發生這麼多嚴重的兇殺命案那據我們來了解每年申請保護令的數量我們看這111年到113年大概每年平均大概是三萬六千件那我們核發的數量大概有兩萬件那它現在這個保護令\n實施之後還是發生了這麼多重大的兇殺命案那我們想說這個是不是因為我們的罰則太輕因為看違反保護令這裡面有七成的被判拘役但是這裡面有九成五幾乎都是一顆罰金而且這個罰金大概都在三萬塊以下所以我們看起來這個處罰根本沒有威嚇的效果而且也沒有\n這裡面我們也覺得缺乏了我們強制治療跟行為矯正的問題所以大家一直說這個保護令根本就是紙上彈兵那是不是我們警政跟社福\n這些跨部門是不是應該要資源來整合來加強監督不然這個申請保護令看起來反而激怒了加害者反而發生更多嚴重的事情你看像我們第一個我們\n信義區這夜店裡公關這割喉案他的保護令7月29號生效結果7月30號他就受害那新北土城街頭家暴命案7月6號犯案7月7號上午開庭結果他下午就去發生了這兇殺命案所以照這樣子看起來反而激怒了加害者所以是不是針對這些問題我們應該要有一個\n比較好的方式去做處理不然反而這個保護令下去沒有實質的去做一些強制治療跟後續的社工去去跟監跟蹤處理後續的追蹤然後後續一些行為矯正的問題而且有些已經發生了結果說情節不重大就把它放出來一放出來以後結果發生了不可挽回的一些命案\n那是不是針對這一部分,我們應該做一個檢討、做一個討論是的,這個就是我們在精進,網絡的一個共同落實來相關的一個安全計畫\n所以我覺得這個後續申請保護令之後其實後續有一些問題像加害者甚至這個被害人是不是我們應該社工要去介入去追蹤是不是加害者在精神各方面\n是不是有一些问题并不是申请保护令以后结果就不去管他结果发生了不可挽回的事情我们再来追踪一下因为其实我们现在社会上常常发生很多精神上面的问题结果很多的民众去报案\n他們都說不會怎麼樣啊這情節很輕啊沒有怎麼樣結果都等到事情發生了以後民眾都講我早就已經講了結果連報警都沒辦法處理找各個主管單位來也沒辦法處理都等到事情發生以後才來檢討機制都有就是要落實那我想委員講的這幾個案例都在落實面的部分我們還可以再\n網絡之間彼此大家來彼此提醒然後在機制部分再來重新做一些調整對像我們我請問一下部長我們跟地方法院是不是有推行高風險家庭的個案管理那請問一下這高風險家庭的個案這怎麼定義我們這個有有一個評估\n平等量表來評估有八個題目來評估到達一定的分數的時候就是列為比較高風險所以其實針對這高風險的個案那我想請問一下像我們剛剛舉的這幾個例子它本身有沒有被列入高風險土城那一案後來在後來有手動進然後台北市那一案是有兩案都有\n兩岸都有列入高風險那有列入高風險我們後來有什麼機制去做處理嗎因為這個後來導致的命案真的來得又快又急那高風險的這個網絡會議都在進行中也在提醒被害人的安全跟加害人的行為的約制告誡\n那都在這個過程都有注意但是就是在那個時間來得又快又急所以剛才前端早上有很多委員提到所謂的預警機制有沒有一些要服以電子監控這個部分這個恐怕是將來我們要來處理的問題他列入高風險以後是不是我們就會啟動這個儲遇計畫\n沒有 處於計畫是要到保護令法院要核發第十款的加害人處於計畫那個是保護令要有這個核發這一款才會有治療或者是輔導這個機制那他已經列入高風險家庭個案我們都社工都沒有去強制去諮詢去輔導甚至做一些精神治療這方面的問題去處理嗎\n在高風險的平台會議裡頭相對人因為他還沒有申請保護令他叫相對人那相對人有相對人的服務也就是說他也有社工那這兩岸的部分都有相對人服務但是的確這些案件社工在追甚至要提供服務的時候都約談不到都約尋不到這都是很困難的地方因為他沒有約束力那他就是一個服務方案\n現在他們申請保護令之後其實反而發生了很多重大的兇殺命案所以其實保護令其實只是一個開端是不是我們後期應該針對他申請保護令之後甚至他已經列入高風險家庭個案我們就應該要有精神醫療跟社工\n强制去介入甚至像这些加害人就应该要去做一些辅导甚至要去做一些精神治疗这一方面应该是要有强制力才对啊所以是不是我们这一部分是不是应该要修法增订我们精神医疗与社工强制介入的条文尤其他这个已经都列入高风险了结果你还是没有机制去做处理啊那这样子列入高风险家庭个案有什么意义呢\n我想委員所提的這個我們會在精進的過程當中列納入來\n所以这边建议部长我们就增订精神医疗与社工强制介入的条文而且我们要设立高风险家庭个案处理这个处于专法机制针对这部分已经列入了结果你没有实质的作为那列入根本毫无意义又是一个纸上谈边只是列入以后并没有实质强制介入去做一些\n精神醫療或者社工強制去介入去了解去輔導甚至請他們去諮商做一些心理輔導一些的作為謝謝委員提出這麼重要的一個建議我們在精進的時候其實我們也有朝這個方向在努力\n但是謝謝這個寶貴的意見一定納入進去來把它精進因為居然事情已經發生了前面發生了我們來不及擬補但是後續針對這部分我們這些增訂的條文還有該設立這些機制我希望部長我們好好研議一下不然最近這個事情一連串的發生對於我們整個社會上治安上也是一個重大的影響我們也十分難過所以一定會精進來\n經濟相關的一個計畫好 希望那個部長喔 這個有些部分像我們社福啊 還有警政還有衛福 我們這個跨部會的來來去檢討 來去跨部會這個機制來把他們合作來處理這個問題好 感謝委員好 那請部長再多費心好 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝徒兒\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.200 --> 00:07.282\n那先請我們邱部長還有我們法務部的張司長那我先請教一下我們張司長\n\n00:21.840 --> 00:40.161\n那我們最近你看這幾週內發生了這麼多政經社會的重大面案你看一個是我們信義夜店的割喉案那這個加害人他本身其實就有前科跟糾纏的記錄那第二件是我們土城的殺妻案\n\n00:40.902 --> 01:02.821\n那兇嫌你看在馬上違反保護令之後開庭然後馬上就犯下了這起的兇殺案那第三件我們封員的砍人案那今天早上凌晨我們嘉義又發生了一起家暴的兇殺案那這些共同點基本上他們都是有申請保護令對不對\n\n01:04.582 --> 01:20.188\n那所以我們想了解一下你看這這麼短的時間內他們都有申請保護令然後而且還馬上犯下這麼嚴重甚至都有上命那請問一下那這個制度上是不是有出現了什麼問題\n\n01:24.966 --> 01:41.012\n我先報告一下,我想民事保護令這個制度,其實是還是有保護被害人跟他家人的一個作用八成的加害人是不會再施保,但是如果有前科精神疾病\n\n01:41.952 --> 01:55.523\n或者嚴重暴力、脅迫等還有剛剛其實很多委員有指教在爭吵的那種特別是情緒比較不穩定的時候當然都可能會發生所以我們未來就是來精進\n\n01:58.305 --> 02:22.037\n整個加強刑事的司法技術力還有網絡我們網絡共同來落實相關的安全計畫這樣來維護被害人的安全那至於空窗期的時候我們當然也是希望各個防治網的成員能夠提高敏感度加害人如果有跟蹤騷擾的情況我想警方應該依法對加害人進行查房約告誡\n\n02:23.058 --> 02:49.443\n病逝危機的程度來提高頻率採取必要的安全措施對部長因為我們知道你看這麼短的時間內就發生這麼多嚴重的兇殺命案那據我們來了解每年申請保護令的數量我們看這111年到113年大概每年平均大概是三萬六千件那我們核發的數量大概有兩萬件那它現在這個保護令\n\n02:52.462 --> 03:20.737\n實施之後還是發生了這麼多重大的兇殺命案那我們想說這個是不是因為我們的罰則太輕因為看違反保護令這裡面有七成的被判拘役但是這裡面有九成五幾乎都是一顆罰金而且這個罰金大概都在三萬塊以下所以我們看起來這個處罰根本沒有威嚇的效果而且也沒有\n\n03:21.937 --> 03:36.227\n這裡面我們也覺得缺乏了我們強制治療跟行為矯正的問題所以大家一直說這個保護令根本就是紙上彈兵那是不是我們警政跟社福\n\n03:36.967 --> 03:55.023\n這些跨部門是不是應該要資源來整合來加強監督不然這個申請保護令看起來反而激怒了加害者反而發生更多嚴重的事情你看像我們第一個我們\n\n03:56.340 --> 04:23.117\n信義區這夜店裡公關這割喉案他的保護令7月29號生效結果7月30號他就受害那新北土城街頭家暴命案7月6號犯案7月7號上午開庭結果他下午就去發生了這兇殺命案所以照這樣子看起來反而激怒了加害者所以是不是針對這些問題我們應該要有一個\n\n04:26.431 --> 04:54.705\n比較好的方式去做處理不然反而這個保護令下去沒有實質的去做一些強制治療跟後續的社工去去跟監跟蹤處理後續的追蹤然後後續一些行為矯正的問題而且有些已經發生了結果說情節不重大就把它放出來一放出來以後結果發生了不可挽回的一些命案\n\n04:55.305 --> 05:08.394\n那是不是針對這一部分,我們應該做一個檢討、做一個討論是的,這個就是我們在精進,網絡的一個共同落實來相關的一個安全計畫\n\n05:11.775 --> 05:26.990\n所以我覺得這個後續申請保護令之後其實後續有一些問題像加害者甚至這個被害人是不是我們應該社工要去介入去追蹤是不是加害者在精神各方面\n\n05:27.470 --> 05:44.484\n是不是有一些问题并不是申请保护令以后结果就不去管他结果发生了不可挽回的事情我们再来追踪一下因为其实我们现在社会上常常发生很多精神上面的问题结果很多的民众去报案\n\n05:44.924 --> 06:08.796\n他們都說不會怎麼樣啊這情節很輕啊沒有怎麼樣結果都等到事情發生了以後民眾都講我早就已經講了結果連報警都沒辦法處理找各個主管單位來也沒辦法處理都等到事情發生以後才來檢討機制都有就是要落實那我想委員講的這幾個案例都在落實面的部分我們還可以再\n\n06:09.626 --> 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