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00:01:53,642\n沒問題我想馬祖的醫院那邊的醫療人員都非常優秀而且都是訓練好在台灣已經訓練好回去工作也很久因為有一些網路的聲音不停的就逼著說立委現場你們要成立部立院\n\n6\n00:01:54,246 --> 00:02:19,342\n那不立院不是我們的問題,不立院大概幾十億也十幾二十幾億除了那個腹地的問題,要有土地嘛對不對我們趕快充實他必要的人力跟設備比較重要那如果部長如果能夠朝著這個把裡面的醫生更精進更充實當然我們是也可以接受的好不好這個是我們一直在努力的目標分享離島的醫療人力最近這幾天啊\n\n7\n00:02:23,405 --> 00:02:52,244\n大概心肌梗塞的病人很多還有中風的病人還有說摔倒了摔倒了腦幹出血等等這些都要大陣醫院來協助那就扯到林天的航空公司目前是林天得標目前還在執行他一年的合約裡面標案的一年合約裡面有一個月是稅休那就表示有一個月的空裝期沒有直升機駐地在馬祖\n\n8\n00:02:53,925 --> 00:03:06,313\n那我們如果發生事情的話就馬上就直升機就準備我們就起飛送到松山機場我們送到大樂醫院去那現在當然部裡面有幫忙協調空軍有海鷗那警政署內政部有空軍總隊\n\n9\n00:03:17,186 --> 00:03:45,601\n到目前為止執行任務的狀況還好像昨天前天都是有空警隊在執行但是這裡面從台北飛到馬祖要一個鐘頭還要看氣候氣候不好的話還要等待所以沒辦法及時的搶救生命這是個問題我說衛福部在下次當然這一次的標案對不起他到117年標案才結束\n\n10\n00:03:47,100 --> 00:04:09,378\n衛福部能不能回去討論一下因為就錢的問題嘛大概一年需要三千多萬那三千多萬如果衛福部看看有沒有經費就找林天達就備用的直升機找一台我看起碼兩千萬跑不掉了部長能不能幫這個忙\n\n11\n00:04:11,826 --> 00:04:28,422\n我想我們再找我們部內相關的部門來研議是不是部內主動召集縣政府好不好好找縣政府衛生局你們是哪一個師在辦這個事情一般來講衣服會是比較有\n\n12\n00:04:30,391 --> 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--> 00:25.627\n我們中午還有一個協商,下午還有一個法案審查好,謝謝主席,是不是邱部長邱部長邱部長早我請問一下,之前我曾經找部長就研議一下,馬祖啊因為金門跟澎湖都有部立院\n\n00:27.473 --> 00:54.946\n馬祖連江縣大概人少一點,但是有國軍、公安科加起來也不少人有沒有機會成立部立醫院這個是這幾天一直在評估也跟縣政府討論那以縣政府目前是先不適合成為部立醫院不適合吧有跟縣政府有討論過了嗎你如果不適合的話也還好我是說對縣立醫院\n\n00:57.110 --> 01:16.735\n因為你曉得我們的規模比金門澎湖小很多啊主要就是心臟內科神經內科外科我們不談啦外科這些手術啊這個一定要到大的醫院嘛我們小的醫院也沒辦法處理啦我是說能不能再加強一下指派\n\n01:18.220 --> 01:35.497\n心臟內科、神經內科這些醫生請衛福部幫個忙好不好好沒問題還有麻醉醫生我們也缺找軍醫局我們在國防部軍醫局局長蔡局長也幫了我們很大的忙也支援我們醫生因為那裡阿兵哥很多嘛好不好\n\n01:36.892 --> 01:53.642\n沒問題我想馬祖的醫院那邊的醫療人員都非常優秀而且都是訓練好在台灣已經訓練好回去工作也很久因為有一些網路的聲音不停的就逼著說立委現場你們要成立部立院\n\n01:54.246 --> 02:19.342\n那不立院不是我們的問題,不立院大概幾十億也十幾二十幾億除了那個腹地的問題,要有土地嘛對不對我們趕快充實他必要的人力跟設備比較重要那如果部長如果能夠朝著這個把裡面的醫生更精進更充實當然我們是也可以接受的好不好這個是我們一直在努力的目標分享離島的醫療人力最近這幾天啊\n\n02:23.405 --> 02:52.244\n大概心肌梗塞的病人很多還有中風的病人還有說摔倒了摔倒了腦幹出血等等這些都要大陣醫院來協助那就扯到林天的航空公司目前是林天得標目前還在執行他一年的合約裡面標案的一年合約裡面有一個月是稅休那就表示有一個月的空裝期沒有直升機駐地在馬祖\n\n02:53.925 --> 03:06.313\n那我們如果發生事情的話就馬上就直升機就準備我們就起飛送到松山機場我們送到大樂醫院去那現在當然部裡面有幫忙協調空軍有海鷗那警政署內政部有空軍總隊\n\n03:17.186 --> 03:45.601\n到目前為止執行任務的狀況還好像昨天前天都是有空警隊在執行但是這裡面從台北飛到馬祖要一個鐘頭還要看氣候氣候不好的話還要等待所以沒辦法及時的搶救生命這是個問題我說衛福部在下次當然這一次的標案對不起他到117年標案才結束\n\n03:47.100 --> 04:09.378\n衛福部能不能回去討論一下因為就錢的問題嘛大概一年需要三千多萬那三千多萬如果衛福部看看有沒有經費就找林天達就備用的直升機找一台我看起碼兩千萬跑不掉了部長能不能幫這個忙\n\n04:11.826 --> 04:28.422\n我想我們再找我們部內相關的部門來研議是不是部內主動召集縣政府好不好好找縣政府衛生局你們是哪一個師在辦這個事情一般來講衣服會是比較有\n\n04:30.391 --> 04:58.361\n照護師是偏鄉啦,要跟議會一起來努力這樣子你回去請你們同仁記下來好不好,到縣政府我們的衛福局啊我們定期在委員的指導之下,其實我們定期都有跟馬祖這個不管是縣長啦,或者是衛生局這樣都有都有在...你們空警、海鷗你們都有幫忙,尤其部長齁,邱部長上任以後\n\n05:01.875 --> 05:28.131\n這個對馬祖我真的有實質的幫助你看我向你要求要電腦斷層八百切的你雖然沒有給我八百切但是給了一百多切的嘛是不是那個效果也非常好我知道我知道因為那個以前的斷層掃描那個用了十幾二十年了嘛所以那邊找一次到那個直升機送到台北來還要再找一次\n\n05:31.057 --> 05:49.023\n現在不但有比較清楚,而且有AI輔助,所以在傳遞上面非常方便,可以及時來救治所以外面也有一些聲音很吵雜,說你怎麼做得不好,我覺得你做得很好,這個每個人想法看法都不太一樣\n\n05:50.644 --> 06:06.922\n所以教育部長你要好好做繼續領導然後把我們馬祖這個醫療再繼續提升馬祖的醫療人員真的都是好朋友都是盡心盡力在那邊你都很熟啊我們一定全力給他最大的全力尤其理導平台嘛而且都是我們的學生啦等於是我們這邊訓練好過去的所以關係非常的好\n\n06:10.306 --> 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