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00:01:01,542\n但是呢我們看到這個月發生了那麼多起的案件那我們那麼多的委員不分朝野不分黨派大家也都在認為說那我們家暴房子從立法到現在這二三十年來是不是有很多的制度該檢討了尤其呢在執行面上包括剛剛我們廖副署長是不是你剛剛的回答我也覺得很驚訝\n\n4\n00:01:09,767 --> 00:01:28,449\n就是說這一個月發生這幾起案件已經在網路上在媒體上大家都已經討論那麼久了都已經指出問題之所在了而我們自己衛生福利部跟警政署相關的單位我們到現在都還沒有還沒有針對大家的質疑大家提出的問題來做\n\n5\n00:01:30,788 --> 00:01:54,634\n這個研議你剛剛還在用研議兩個字其實我都認為如果我們夠積極的話在今天的專案報告之前我們應該是在今天就要聽到你們告訴我你們研議之後覺得面對問題該有什麼樣的解決方案甚至我期待的是你剛剛跟我們講的這個不管是家報的這個紀錄的資料庫如何嫁接權限如何的來\n\n6\n00:01:55,974 --> 00:02:03,946\n放鬆或者是你要怎麼樣的來做這個機制檢討我們今天認為應該要聽到的是這些而不是在跟我講說一個月\n\n7\n00:02:06,611 --> 00:02:28,350\n來給你報告兩個月來幹什麼我們八月份要開會事情已經發生很多事已經發生這麼久了所以我們看不到我們不管是衛生福利部或者是警政署或是其他單位的積極作為部長你覺得這一個月來你看那麼多委員發生了這些事情大家都這麼關心那您自己認為呢部長我們可不可以再更積極一定要更積極\n\n8\n00:02:35,253 --> 00:02:48,181\n一定要更積極但是因為我看到媒體也有說出你今天指出我們要兩大精進作為但是這兩大精進作為就如同剛剛有其他委員在問你這兩大精進作為我們認為都很空虛啊不會啦那個報告委員\n\n9\n00:02:52,236 --> 00:03:06,219\n我們加強刑事的司法的技術力這個在幾次的討論裡面已經大家取得有共識然後各種資訊我們幾個部會的一個網絡的共同論資訊的一個整合、嫁接然後在研議是不是有更積極的立法來向有些國家它的電子的監控\n\n10\n00:03:17,661 --> 00:03:37,826\n這個你今天已經回答很多委員回答很多次了那我不知道你們在事情發生那麼多件之後我們到底有沒有原意到底有沒有什麼樣的一個具體作為是已經可以做的因為你今天的回答都到目前為止我們都看到聽到了都還不是可以做的具體作為保定\n\n11\n00:03:40,475 --> 00:04:06,832\n包括廖副署長我們警政署這邊大家都在談從保護令的核發到實際上的一個安全的空窗期那我們也沒有看到警政署這邊告訴我們說那除了要求這個不管是地檢署啦司法院啊他們速度要快啊那我們警政署在這個安全空窗期的時候我們可以積極什麼作為我的服務處甚至我自己本人接了從我過去當議員到現在當立法委員四屆了\n\n12\n00:04:07,853 --> 00:04:11,718\n我們都不斷的聽到這個受害人即使申請到保護令了他還是要擔心受怕為什麼他跑來問我我如果發生事情的時候我第一時間可以做什麼我們也都只能說就是報警報警之後呢\n\n13\n00:04:26,701 --> 00:04:43,453\n我跟你講很多保護令合法下來我們的受害人啊被保護人啊他可能啊往往反反說的往往反反是什麼他可能打舉起電話打110又放下舉起電話打110又放下那可能呢受到不斷的騷擾所以呢他\n\n14\n00:04:44,714 --> 00:04:59,093\n反反复复之间他的担心受怕他是精神上的折磨而且我必须要告诉你不是只有他个人是他整个家庭还有呢甚至连他的工作的伙伴们工作的场所都是受到\n\n15\n00:05:00,274 --> 00:05:15,272\n受到加害人或者是受到騷擾那很多這些方方面面我們的家暴防治法已經執行了那麼多年我想我們理論上要很有經驗跟有專業來做這些思考跟做一些\n\n16\n00:05:16,752 --> 00:05:39,639\n這個制度面的可以執行的到位的來保護這些申請保護令的人不是嗎是的是的可是到今天為止我聽了一整個早上我都發現我們每個單位都在告訴我要研議要研議那具體的作為我都還沒有呈現出來這第一個那第二個我覺得不是只有家暴防治的部分\n\n17\n00:05:40,699 --> 00:06:07,219\n我們現在實際上在服務處也收到個案我覺得我們司法院還有地檢署都有相關的配套要做什麼就是我們司法院法官跟地檢署的檢察官跟中央地方的設政單位的一個橫向的聯繫都還有第一個時間差第二個執行的一個不到位我舉一個例子這個召委說我們要控制時間我舉一個例子\n\n18\n00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:20,167\n一個單親的國中生自己打電話來服務處陳情他找不到他爸爸他爸爸本來告訴他他因為酒駕要去繳罰金酒駕是不對的當然要懲罰但是呢臨時法官改變不給他繳罰金要他服役\n\n19\n00:06:30,806 --> 00:06:44,534\n結果呢他的爸爸去到了台中看守所第一個單親的小單親的國中生他不知道他爸爸去哪裡了他打電話來阿姨的服務處問說阿姨你可不可以幫我找爸爸到哪裡去了\n\n20\n00:06:46,158 --> 00:07:06,382\n那請問一下我們就這個個案的情況之下我們法官在改判的時候第一個第一時間有沒有知道他家裡有所謂的未成年子女第二個有沒有考量到他單親家庭沒有親戚沒有家人你知道最後是誰收容了這個單親的孩子嗎鄰居然後鄰居幫他通報社會局跟通報學校\n\n21\n00:07:16,036 --> 00:07:40,342\n部長我在跟你講的是設政體系啊還有呢跟司法院啊跟可能地檢署就司法單位中間的橫向聯繫到底出了什麼問題那這些其實如果如果是一個完整的一個社會安全網絡的話這個單親的國中生不應該打電話來阿姨的服務處來問看看我要找爸爸你可不可以幫我找爸爸\n\n22\n00:07:42,677 --> 00:08:04,088\n然後而且還是鄰居收容的這一個單親的國中生喔我現在提這個個案只是來給大家做參考除了家庭暴力防治之外我們有很多的現在的社會的一個家庭的形態的多樣性那不一樣的一個社會環境裡面我們在司法院或是\n\n23\n00:08:04,528 --> 00:08:19,814\n司法單位在做相關的處置的時候是不是能夠考量多一點然後嫁接我們的社會安全網絡能夠呢好好的來保護該保護的人好不好好的以上謝謝好謝謝謝謝委員長指教謝謝好謝謝何委員謝謝邱部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8774\t11298\t衛生福利部部長以及警政署六戶署長\n17608\t24694\t部長好 那廖副署長部長其實剛剛聽到這個廖副署長的這樣子的回答我想家暴防治法立法到現在也歷經了好幾次的修法那我們的家庭暴力防治制度呢不管在法規或者是相關的一個中央地方政府該負各級政府該負責的我想很多的第一線的人員都很辛苦我們必須要肯定\n45712\t61542\t但是呢我們看到這個月發生了那麼多起的案件那我們那麼多的委員不分朝野不分黨派大家也都在認為說那我們家暴房子從立法到現在這二三十年來是不是有很多的制度該檢討了尤其呢在執行面上包括剛剛我們廖副署長是不是你剛剛的回答我也覺得很驚訝\n69767\t88449\t就是說這一個月發生這幾起案件已經在網路上在媒體上大家都已經討論那麼久了都已經指出問題之所在了而我們自己衛生福利部跟警政署相關的單位我們到現在都還沒有還沒有針對大家的質疑大家提出的問題來做\n90788\t114634\t這個研議你剛剛還在用研議兩個字其實我都認為如果我們夠積極的話在今天的專案報告之前我們應該是在今天就要聽到你們告訴我你們研議之後覺得面對問題該有什麼樣的解決方案甚至我期待的是你剛剛跟我們講的這個不管是家報的這個紀錄的資料庫如何嫁接權限如何的來\n115974\t123946\t放鬆或者是你要怎麼樣的來做這個機制檢討我們今天認為應該要聽到的是這些而不是在跟我講說一個月\n126611\t148350\t來給你報告兩個月來幹什麼我們八月份要開會事情已經發生很多事 已經發生這麼久了所以我們看不到我們不管是衛生福利部或者是警政署或是其他單位的積極作為部長你覺得這一個月來你看那麼多委員發生了這些事情大家都這麼關心那您自己認為呢部長我們可不可以再更積極一定要更積極\n155253\t168181\t一定要更積極但是因為我看到媒體也有說出你今天指出我們要兩大精進作為但是這兩大精進作為就如同剛剛有其他委員在問你這兩大精進作為我們認為都很空虛啊不會啦那個報告委員\n172236\t186219\t我們加強刑事的司法的技術力這個在幾次的討論裡面已經大家取得有共識然後各種資訊我們幾個部會的一個網絡的共同論資訊的一個整合、嫁接然後在研議是不是有更積極的立法來向有些國家它的電子的監控\n197661\t217826\t這個你今天已經回答很多委員回答很多次了那我不知道你們在事情發生那麼多件之後我們到底有沒有原意到底有沒有什麼樣的一個具體作為是已經可以做的因為你今天的回答都到目前為止我們都看到聽到了都還不是可以做的具體作為保定\n220475\t246832\t包括廖副署長我們警政署這邊大家都在談從保護令的核發到實際上的一個安全的空窗期那我們也沒有看到警政署這邊告訴我們說那除了要求這個不管是地檢署啦司法院啊他們速度要快啊那我們警政署在這個安全空窗期的時候我們可以積極什麼作為我的服務處甚至我自己本人接了從我過去當議員到現在當立法委員四屆了\n247853\t251718\t我們都不斷的聽到這個受害人即使申請到保護令了他還是要擔心受怕為什麼他跑來問我我如果發生事情的時候我第一時間可以做什麼我們也都只能說就是報警報警之後呢\n266701\t283453\t我跟你講很多保護令合法下來我們的受害人啊被保護人啊他可能啊往往反反說的往往反反是什麼他可能打舉起電話打110又放下舉起電話打110又放下那可能呢受到不斷的騷擾所以呢他\n284714\t299093\t反反复复之间他的担心受怕他是精神上的折磨而且我必须要告诉你不是只有他个人是他整个家庭还有呢甚至连他的工作的伙伴们工作的场所都是受到\n300274\t315272\t受到加害人或者是受到騷擾那很多這些方方面面我們的家暴防治法已經執行了那麼多年我想我們理論上要很有經驗跟有專業來做這些思考跟做一些\n316752\t339639\t這個制度面的可以執行的到位的來保護這些申請保護令的人不是嗎是的 是的可是到今天為止我聽了一整個早上我都發現我們每個單位都在告訴我要研議要研議那具體的作為我都還沒有呈現出來這第一個那第二個我覺得不是只有家暴防治的部分\n340699\t367219\t我們現在實際上在服務處也收到個案我覺得我們司法院還有地檢署都有相關的配套要做什麼就是我們司法院法官跟地檢署的檢察官跟中央地方的設政單位的一個橫向的聯繫都還有第一個時間差第二個執行的一個不到位我舉一個例子這個召委說我們要控制時間我舉一個例子\n369400\t380167\t一個單親的國中生自己打電話來服務處陳情他找不到他爸爸他爸爸本來告訴他他因為酒駕要去繳罰金酒駕是不對的當然要懲罰但是呢臨時法官改變不給他繳罰金要他服役\n390806\t404534\t結果呢他的爸爸去到了台中看守所第一個單親的小單親的國中生他不知道他爸爸去哪裡了他打電話來阿姨的服務處問說阿姨你可不可以幫我找爸爸到哪裡去了\n406158\t426382\t那請問一下我們就這個個案的情況之下我們法官在改判的時候第一個第一時間有沒有知道他家裡有所謂的未成年子女第二個有沒有考量到他單親家庭沒有親戚沒有家人你知道最後是誰收容了這個單親的孩子嗎鄰居然後鄰居幫他通報社會局跟通報學校\n436036\t460342\t部長我在跟你講的是設政體系啊還有呢跟司法院啊跟可能地檢署就司法單位中間的橫向聯繫到底出了什麼問題那這些其實如果如果是一個完整的一個社會安全網絡的話這個單親的國中生不應該打電話來阿姨的服務處來問看看我要找爸爸你可不可以幫我找爸爸\n462677\t484088\t然後而且還是鄰居收容的這一個單親的國中生喔我現在提這個個案只是來給大家做參考除了家庭暴力防治之外我們有很多的現在的社會的一個家庭的形態的多樣性那不一樣的一個社會環境裡面我們在司法院或是\n484528\t499814\t司法單位在做相關的處置的時候是不是能夠考量多一點然後嫁接我們的社會安全網絡能夠呢好好的來保護該保護的人好不好好的以上謝謝好謝謝謝謝委員長指教謝謝好謝謝何委員謝謝邱部長\n","txt":"衛生福利部部長以及警政署六戶署長\n部長好 那廖副署長部長其實剛剛聽到這個廖副署長的這樣子的回答我想家暴防治法立法到現在也歷經了好幾次的修法那我們的家庭暴力防治制度呢不管在法規或者是相關的一個中央地方政府該負各級政府該負責的我想很多的第一線的人員都很辛苦我們必須要肯定\n但是呢我們看到這個月發生了那麼多起的案件那我們那麼多的委員不分朝野不分黨派大家也都在認為說那我們家暴房子從立法到現在這二三十年來是不是有很多的制度該檢討了尤其呢在執行面上包括剛剛我們廖副署長是不是你剛剛的回答我也覺得很驚訝\n就是說這一個月發生這幾起案件已經在網路上在媒體上大家都已經討論那麼久了都已經指出問題之所在了而我們自己衛生福利部跟警政署相關的單位我們到現在都還沒有還沒有針對大家的質疑大家提出的問題來做\n這個研議你剛剛還在用研議兩個字其實我都認為如果我們夠積極的話在今天的專案報告之前我們應該是在今天就要聽到你們告訴我你們研議之後覺得面對問題該有什麼樣的解決方案甚至我期待的是你剛剛跟我們講的這個不管是家報的這個紀錄的資料庫如何嫁接權限如何的來\n放鬆或者是你要怎麼樣的來做這個機制檢討我們今天認為應該要聽到的是這些而不是在跟我講說一個月\n來給你報告兩個月來幹什麼我們八月份要開會事情已經發生很多事 已經發生這麼久了所以我們看不到我們不管是衛生福利部或者是警政署或是其他單位的積極作為部長你覺得這一個月來你看那麼多委員發生了這些事情大家都這麼關心那您自己認為呢部長我們可不可以再更積極一定要更積極\n一定要更積極但是因為我看到媒體也有說出你今天指出我們要兩大精進作為但是這兩大精進作為就如同剛剛有其他委員在問你這兩大精進作為我們認為都很空虛啊不會啦那個報告委員\n我們加強刑事的司法的技術力這個在幾次的討論裡面已經大家取得有共識然後各種資訊我們幾個部會的一個網絡的共同論資訊的一個整合、嫁接然後在研議是不是有更積極的立法來向有些國家它的電子的監控\n這個你今天已經回答很多委員回答很多次了那我不知道你們在事情發生那麼多件之後我們到底有沒有原意到底有沒有什麼樣的一個具體作為是已經可以做的因為你今天的回答都到目前為止我們都看到聽到了都還不是可以做的具體作為保定\n包括廖副署長我們警政署這邊大家都在談從保護令的核發到實際上的一個安全的空窗期那我們也沒有看到警政署這邊告訴我們說那除了要求這個不管是地檢署啦司法院啊他們速度要快啊那我們警政署在這個安全空窗期的時候我們可以積極什麼作為我的服務處甚至我自己本人接了從我過去當議員到現在當立法委員四屆了\n我們都不斷的聽到這個受害人即使申請到保護令了他還是要擔心受怕為什麼他跑來問我我如果發生事情的時候我第一時間可以做什麼我們也都只能說就是報警報警之後呢\n我跟你講很多保護令合法下來我們的受害人啊被保護人啊他可能啊往往反反說的往往反反是什麼他可能打舉起電話打110又放下舉起電話打110又放下那可能呢受到不斷的騷擾所以呢他\n反反复复之间他的担心受怕他是精神上的折磨而且我必须要告诉你不是只有他个人是他整个家庭还有呢甚至连他的工作的伙伴们工作的场所都是受到\n受到加害人或者是受到騷擾那很多這些方方面面我們的家暴防治法已經執行了那麼多年我想我們理論上要很有經驗跟有專業來做這些思考跟做一些\n這個制度面的可以執行的到位的來保護這些申請保護令的人不是嗎是的 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