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00:00:36,452\n我去聞了就是加熱菸你們審查通過了你們在7月29號審查通過美商的菲利普莫里斯日商的潔泰日菸審查通過請問你什麼時候上市\n\n3\n00:00:39,795 --> 00:00:46,065\n什麼時候可以上市因為這個是A5單位在處理一個月呢兩個月呢這個要看他的一個因為\n\n4\n00:00:51,339 --> 00:01:14,090\n他們逼上來我當然有仔細的來看看他們有很多他們自行要同意的事情一定要廠商做到嘛做到以後才能夠進一步的簽約所以應該預計如果說廠商能夠配合的好的話應該幾個月就幾個月一個月還兩個月三個月你認為\n\n5\n00:01:17,828 --> 00:01:37,725\n三個月應該可以吧一個月應該可以一個月大概不太可能因為他還要按照那樣去開始製造製造他要開始製造我們的符合我們的要求所以大概兩個月嘛可能要三個月三個月上市然後我就請問你審查標準是什麼\n\n6\n00:01:39,082 --> 00:01:56,800\n審查標準你說以前的審查還是後來這一次審查通過的啊7月9號上個禮拜的事情啊審查的標準就是委員會審查的啊是什麼標準部長你看好看清楚喔我去文賴世保辦公室去文我去文7月30號我就去文了\n\n7\n00:02:03,642 --> 00:02:16,278\n這個事情董事基金會非常感冒啊我也非常感冒啊我們希望你快但是要有標準啊結果我私底下問你們沒有標準你們的標準就是廠商的標準這何其的可恥啊衛福部怎麼會拿廠商標準跟他們的標準啊\n\n8\n00:02:22,185 --> 00:02:41,324\n不可能拿廠商來表演不然我們會省兩人多到最後就是因為有高層施壓媒體施壓高層施壓所以國建署的署長也因此退休了我們都一直按照那個審查的辦法進行為什麼我的文跟您要了一個禮拜要不到答案\n\n9\n00:02:42,686 --> 00:02:44,309\n我今天來講是很嚴肅告訴你我\n\n10\n00:02:55,854 --> 00:03:12,850\n一個國會議員問你你們審完了你總是可以告訴我們標準是怎麼審的結果你一個禮拜都不給我回私底下也不敢講然後呢我聽到的是你們的標準就是廠商的標準不可能上全入國啊\n\n11\n00:03:13,470 --> 00:03:19,232\n不可能加熱煙啊如果廠商的標準那為什麼兩年省那麼久啊因為有高層受益啊你們以前黨獨處之下黨不獨會國務院署長下台啦我們面對各方面的要已經好幾年了但是我們都堅守專業的專業的審查標準我看你偶爾你到我們參議會的時候我說你很棒來我們參議會這裡或者說加熱煙就趕快省但是越有標準結果到現在為止\n\n12\n00:03:43,019 --> 00:04:05,899\n我問你的標準在哪裡你今天給我標準我就服氣了今天我要一個禮拜然後完全不回火完全不回火喔報告委員你給我時間我最快的速度給你幾天時間三天可以嗎好三天三天馬上給我答案標準在哪裡好不好否則我高度的質疑你的標準就是廠商的標準這個一定報告委員這個\n\n13\n00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:16,628\n我們在講這件事情的時候一定要尊重這個審查委員好那我就告訴你了都是教授部長沒有人可以去影響那些部長我告訴你了二三十個教授來來來部長我告訴你了因為我得到的是說標準在哪裡國際的標準國際標準是什麼沒有\n\n14\n00:04:23,894 --> 00:04:49,007\n這樣他就是用國際標準這樣來說結果沒有conversion就是沒有收斂啦你知道嗎沒有這個沒有統一起來這個很嚴重喔這障礙我們的健康啊因為這個是投票每一個專家去投票我知道啦你投票我知道啦問題是這個都是可以運作的啦來第二個問題喔今天幾個小時才公布的川普說幾個小時\n\n15\n00:04:52,429 --> 00:05:10,547\n你看接受CNBC專訪他對進口藥品的關稅要一開始少一點一年到一年半150%之後要到250%台灣的藥品到美國去有多少2024年的統計我們有10億美金\n\n16\n00:05:13,206 --> 00:05:38,724\n那麼我們百分之三十去美國我們百分之三十去美國這個台幣現在這個匯率是過去的數字了那麼十億美金我就請教部長請教部長對國內的其實我們的資料業其實不怎麼樣沒有很厲害啦但是影響也蠻大的喔這個你有什麼因應沒有\n\n17\n00:05:39,304 --> 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