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00:01:02,474\n受到波及那如果受到波及的話剛才你說了可能我們的補貼或者是協助產業的預算可能要超過930億那你預估未來有可能是多少我們還要再投入多少來協助產業\n\n4\n00:01:04,500 --> 00:01:22,682\n其實我們這個是我們只是做一些準備就是我剛剛提到的我們是樂觀但是我們在做備援方案的時候我們要有不同的劇本這個是我們的準備項目之一至於會不會發生\n\n5\n00:01:24,929 --> 00:01:47,912\n我們很難去一起但是如果它真的發生會有很巨大的影響會有很巨大的影響那這個還是要看這個實際狀況所以如果含晶片的產品那美國沒有在這一次的就是232的裡面把它豁免的話對於這個整體的產業會有很大的影響是不是\n\n6\n00:01:48,533 --> 00:02:03,162\n那產業現在如果沒有辦法留在台灣你看到我們現在在台灣目前的關稅是20%日韓是15%會不會這些廠商他們會移轉到日韓去做相關的生產這個是不會的現在的20%15%都不含這些產品這些產品是在豁免清單\n\n7\n00:02:13,948 --> 00:02:23,488\n那它如果會發生它只有一個可能它放進了232來做規範但是一旦是232的規範那就大家都會一樣\n\n8\n00:02:24,403 --> 00:02:49,718\n所以如果放在232裡面日韓的也是一樣的都一樣所以都不會受到相關的那第二個事情也跟委員報告因為台灣這種屬於這個部分的大廠幾乎都在墨西哥跟美國在佈局中那其實大家都有做很好的準備\n\n9\n00:02:50,888 --> 00:03:12,606\n是在美國跟墨西哥現在是在達拉斯在墨西哥都是那我們也知道美墨之間的各種的協議裡面都沒有觸及到這個USDNA的部分所以呢事實上在墨西哥還是受USDNA的保障在那即使到達拉斯也是\n\n10\n00:03:13,487 --> 00:03:24,106\n也是在美國境內那所以如果他按照這次晶片的方式來做的話我們這幾個大廠大概因為都在美國境內也有投資所以影響就會比較小\n\n11\n00:03:24,912 --> 00:03:48,281\n好那現在美國要求就是不管是要求也好暗示也好就是希望台積電能夠多投資那但是我不是以你就公司利益的角度來看這件事我是就國家未來經濟發展的角度來看這件事情未來我們怎麼樣子\n\n12\n00:03:50,342 --> 00:04:17,115\n讓台積電的優勢能夠留在台灣因為我們知道目前不管是AI產業以及其他相關你們規劃的發展都是在這樣子相關的基礎之下你怎麼樣子協助台積電讓最關鍵的技術留在台灣能夠讓下一個世代的這樣子的一個產業發展不會受到影響\n\n13\n00:04:17,975 --> 00:04:47,305\n你有什麼樣子的策略委員您問這個題目是非常非常重要的一個題目所以我們第一個我們兩件事情第一個我們在審核的時候我們對於關鍵技術最新技術我們不會讓它優先出去以台積電現在往1.4奈米的方向在走的時候它的廠目前的規劃都在台灣所以現在2奈米也在台灣其他地方也還沒有\n\n14\n00:04:47,905 --> 00:05:06,276\n所以關鍵技術我們是守得住的第二個部分它的研發有一萬多人那幾乎百分之九十幾以上都在這裡除了製程的部分以外都在台灣那關鍵的領導團隊也在台灣總部也在台灣所以基本上是絕對守得住的\n\n15\n00:05:07,349 --> 00:05:21,806\n那投資來講的話目前台灣的再建工程正在進行建設的廠也是最多的遠遠超過六個廠遠遠超過在海外的部分所以這一點我們是很有信心的\n\n16\n00:05:22,574 --> 00:05:44,449\n好那你要有信心可是問題是現在昨天就新聞就是做很大嘛就是東京的威力科創它對於我們台積電的2奈米的金屬可能在某一些製程上面都是獨家的製程嘛\n\n17\n00:05:44,929 --> 00:05:56,443\n可能它的光容積的那個光阻塗布啊或者是它的電晶體製成的溶顆等等這都是這個台積電兩奈米的這樣關鍵製成那問題是未來怎麼樣子\n\n18\n00:06:01,229 --> 00:06:18,159\n如果台積電跟東京的威力科創它進行訴訟會不會影響到目前我們在日本的投資呢會不會這個跟在日本投資是我認為是沒有關聯性的\n\n19\n00:06:18,979 --> 00:06:41,178\n那你講的是一般來講很多企業在進行輸送中還是會進行交易因為這是兩件事一個是針對兩個部門的事情那日本的確在特殊化學等領域是全球領先的地位那其實半導體產業本來就是很多第一合在一起的我們是製造第一\n\n20\n00:06:41,758 --> 00:07:00,119\n他在化特用化學是第一那當然還有像ASMO的光刻機是第一那美國有很多的第一是兜起來的本來就是兜起來的那我們從國家的產業韌性這也是我們之前有報告過我們會強化兩塊的發展一個就是特用化學的發展一個是設備的發展\n\n21\n00:07:01,340 --> 00:07:15,850\n所以我們台灣的特用化學有辦法遵應嗎我們想要往這裡進行突破那特用化學目前有一些我們分大廠小廠大廠大部分都比較目前是偏向後段製程的化學那以走純度為第一\n\n22\n00:07:16,630 --> 00:07:39,839\n那現在有一些小廠已經開始在太空化學進行發展因為這些人都有一定的關鍵技術所以我們也一直在往這個方向來輔導那另外在設備部分我們也希望提高我們的自治率我們的目標是希望在八成以上所以我們一直在往這裡發展讓我們的整個韌性的提升會比較完整第二個一個帶動產業的發展跟更多的經濟的發展\n\n23\n00:07:43,612 --> 00:08:11,226\n那這一次的就是說關於他的那個機密被竊的這樣事件會不會影響到整個兩奈米的佈局會不會應該不會兩奈米的佈局目前只有在台灣不會有到日本目前他也沒有兩奈米的佈局他之前是在七奈米六奈米左右那個範圍內那是二廠但二廠現在是延後了\n\n24\n00:08:12,046 --> 00:08:23,691\n那整個兩奈米佈局目前只有在台灣在高雄那下一個世代預計應該會在也是在台灣在中部跟南部各一目前都在規劃中了\n\n25\n00:08:25,814 --> 00:08:46,741\n好那最後我想要請問你就是說我們還有傳產的出口這個部分我們剛才講的都是半導體以及科技業的相關的產品出口那傳產的出口呢那對於傳產的出口我們知道現在對美的這個部分影響很大那怎麼樣子協助廠商\n\n26\n00:08:48,906 --> 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謝謝主席我想要請劉主委主委\n13362\t38461\t我想請教一下就是現在美國已經宣布了課徵百分之百的關稅對半導體晶片那其實我們知道很多的產品晶片不一定是它直接銷售它都是放在各項的產品裡面那未來就這些商品會不會\n39622\t62474\t受到波及那如果受到波及的話剛才你說了可能我們的補貼或者是協助產業的預算可能要超過930億那你預估未來有可能是多少我們還要再投入多少來協助產業\n64500\t82682\t其實我們這個是我們只是做一些準備就是我剛剛提到的我們是樂觀但是我們在做備援方案的時候我們要有不同的劇本這個是我們的準備項目之一至於會不會發生\n84929\t107912\t我們很難去一起但是如果它真的發生會有很巨大的影響會有很巨大的影響那這個還是要看這個實際狀況所以如果含晶片的產品那美國沒有在這一次的就是232的裡面把它豁免的話對於這個整體的產業會有很大的影響是不是\n108533\t123162\t那產業現在如果沒有辦法留在台灣你看到我們現在在台灣目前的關稅是20%日韓是15%會不會這些廠商他們會移轉到日韓去做相關的生產這個是不會的現在的20% 15%都不含這些產品這些產品是在豁免清單\n133948\t143488\t那它如果會發生它只有一個可能它放進了232來做規範但是一旦是232的規範那就大家都會一樣\n144403\t169718\t所以如果放在232裡面日韓的也是一樣的都一樣所以都不會受到相關的那第二個事情也跟委員報告因為台灣這種屬於這個部分的大廠幾乎都在墨西哥跟美國在佈局中那其實大家都有做很好的準備\n170888\t192606\t是在美國跟墨西哥現在是在達拉斯在墨西哥都是那我們也知道美墨之間的各種的協議裡面都沒有觸及到這個USDNA的部分所以呢事實上在墨西哥還是受USDNA的保障在那即使到達拉斯也是\n193487\t204106\t也是在美國境內那所以如果他按照這次晶片的方式來做的話我們這幾個大廠大概因為都在美國境內也有投資所以影響就會比較小\n204912\t228281\t好 那現在美國要求就是不管是要求也好 暗示也好就是希望台積電能夠多投資那但是我不是以你就公司利益的角度來看這件事我是就國家未來經濟發展的角度來看這件事情未來我們怎麼樣子\n230342\t257115\t讓台積電的優勢能夠留在台灣因為我們知道目前不管是AI產業以及其他相關你們規劃的發展都是在這樣子相關的基礎之下你怎麼樣子協助台積電讓最關鍵的技術留在台灣能夠讓下一個世代的這樣子的一個產業發展不會受到影響\n257975\t287305\t你有什麼樣子的策略委員您問這個題目是非常非常重要的一個題目所以我們第一個我們兩件事情第一個我們在審核的時候我們對於關鍵技術最新技術我們不會讓它優先出去以台積電現在往1.4奈米的方向在走的時候它的廠目前的規劃都在台灣所以現在2奈米也在台灣其他地方也還沒有\n287905\t306276\t所以關鍵技術我們是守得住的第二個部分它的研發有一萬多人那幾乎百分之九十幾以上都在這裡除了製程的部分以外都在台灣那關鍵的領導團隊也在台灣總部也在台灣所以基本上是絕對守得住的\n307349\t321806\t那投資來講的話目前台灣的再建工程正在進行建設的廠也是最多的遠遠超過六個廠遠遠超過在海外的部分所以這一點我們是很有信心的\n322574\t344449\t好那你要有信心可是問題是現在昨天就新聞就是做很大嘛就是東京的威力科創它對於我們台積電的2奈米的金屬可能在某一些製程上面都是獨家的製程嘛\n344929\t356443\t可能它的光容積的那個光阻塗布啊或者是它的電晶體製成的溶顆等等這都是這個台積電兩奈米的這樣關鍵製成那問題是未來怎麼樣子\n361229\t378159\t如果台積電跟東京的威力科創它進行訴訟會不會影響到目前我們在日本的投資呢會不會這個跟在日本投資是我認為是沒有關聯性的\n378979\t401178\t那你講的是一般來講很多企業在進行輸送中還是會進行交易因為這是兩件事一個是針對兩個部門的事情那日本的確在特殊化學等領域是全球領先的地位那其實半導體產業本來就是很多第一合在一起的我們是製造第一\n401758\t420119\t他在化特用化學是第一那當然還有像ASMO的光刻機是第一那美國有很多的第一是兜起來的本來就是兜起來的那我們從國家的產業韌性這也是我們之前有報告過我們會強化兩塊的發展一個就是特用化學的發展一個是設備的發展\n421340\t435850\t所以我們台灣的特用化學有辦法遵應嗎我們想要往這裡進行突破那特用化學目前有一些我們分大廠小廠大廠大部分都比較目前是偏向後段製程的化學那以走純度為第一\n436630\t459839\t那現在有一些小廠已經開始在太空化學進行發展因為這些人都有一定的關鍵技術所以我們也一直在往這個方向來輔導那另外在設備部分我們也希望提高我們的自治率我們的目標是希望在八成以上所以我們一直在往這裡發展讓我們的整個韌性的提升會比較完整第二個一個帶動產業的發展跟更多的經濟的發展\n463612\t491226\t那這一次的就是說關於他的那個機密被竊的這樣事件會不會影響到整個兩奈米的佈局會不會應該不會兩奈米的佈局目前只有在台灣不會有到日本目前他也沒有兩奈米的佈局他之前是在七奈米六奈米左右那個範圍內那是二廠但二廠現在是延後了\n492046\t503691\t那整個兩奈米佈局目前只有在台灣在高雄那下一個世代預計應該會在也是在台灣在中部跟南部各一目前都在規劃中了\n505814\t526741\t好那最後我想要請問你就是說我們還有傳產的出口這個部分我們剛才講的都是半導體以及科技業的相關的產品出口那傳產的出口呢那對於傳產的出口我們知道現在對美的這個部分影響很大那怎麼樣子協助廠商\n528906\t549124\t我們協助廠商就是我們編列的短期因應方案就是在出口的協助包括他的保險他的運輸等等我們與協助之外那我們也協助他進行研發的改造讓他的這個讓過去比較比價格的可以進到比\n549915\t576267\t比那個技術的部分那中長期的部分我們也在AI時代建設有一個產業AI化裡面兩個重點一個重點就是三個重點第一個重點就是產品的AI化讓它的跟這個競爭會提升另外就是在它的運作流程供應鏈上還有在銷售上面都是透過AI化來協助他們來做所以我們才會有一個\n577768\t595796\tAI運用百萬家的計畫出來希望讓大家透過AI的方式發展那我們也會給予適度的協助在經費這些方面讓他們再轉型在中長期的部分那也就是為什麼我們在中部推動那個推動這個智慧精密新核心的原因在這裡\n596556\t614485\t我們希望政府可以持續的推動整個AI的轉型然後協助這些傳產企業能夠讓他們的產品在國際上更具競爭力才不會受到現在這一波的關稅以及匯率的影響 好不好好的 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席我想要請劉主委主委\n我想請教一下就是現在美國已經宣布了課徵百分之百的關稅對半導體晶片那其實我們知道很多的產品晶片不一定是它直接銷售它都是放在各項的產品裡面那未來就這些商品會不會\n受到波及那如果受到波及的話剛才你說了可能我們的補貼或者是協助產業的預算可能要超過930億那你預估未來有可能是多少我們還要再投入多少來協助產業\n其實我們這個是我們只是做一些準備就是我剛剛提到的我們是樂觀但是我們在做備援方案的時候我們要有不同的劇本這個是我們的準備項目之一至於會不會發生\n我們很難去一起但是如果它真的發生會有很巨大的影響會有很巨大的影響那這個還是要看這個實際狀況所以如果含晶片的產品那美國沒有在這一次的就是232的裡面把它豁免的話對於這個整體的產業會有很大的影響是不是\n那產業現在如果沒有辦法留在台灣你看到我們現在在台灣目前的關稅是20%日韓是15%會不會這些廠商他們會移轉到日韓去做相關的生產這個是不會的現在的20% 15%都不含這些產品這些產品是在豁免清單\n那它如果會發生它只有一個可能它放進了232來做規範但是一旦是232的規範那就大家都會一樣\n所以如果放在232裡面日韓的也是一樣的都一樣所以都不會受到相關的那第二個事情也跟委員報告因為台灣這種屬於這個部分的大廠幾乎都在墨西哥跟美國在佈局中那其實大家都有做很好的準備\n是在美國跟墨西哥現在是在達拉斯在墨西哥都是那我們也知道美墨之間的各種的協議裡面都沒有觸及到這個USDNA的部分所以呢事實上在墨西哥還是受USDNA的保障在那即使到達拉斯也是\n也是在美國境內那所以如果他按照這次晶片的方式來做的話我們這幾個大廠大概因為都在美國境內也有投資所以影響就會比較小\n好 那現在美國要求就是不管是要求也好 暗示也好就是希望台積電能夠多投資那但是我不是以你就公司利益的角度來看這件事我是就國家未來經濟發展的角度來看這件事情未來我們怎麼樣子\n讓台積電的優勢能夠留在台灣因為我們知道目前不管是AI產業以及其他相關你們規劃的發展都是在這樣子相關的基礎之下你怎麼樣子協助台積電讓最關鍵的技術留在台灣能夠讓下一個世代的這樣子的一個產業發展不會受到影響\n你有什麼樣子的策略委員您問這個題目是非常非常重要的一個題目所以我們第一個我們兩件事情第一個我們在審核的時候我們對於關鍵技術最新技術我們不會讓它優先出去以台積電現在往1.4奈米的方向在走的時候它的廠目前的規劃都在台灣所以現在2奈米也在台灣其他地方也還沒有\n所以關鍵技術我們是守得住的第二個部分它的研發有一萬多人那幾乎百分之九十幾以上都在這裡除了製程的部分以外都在台灣那關鍵的領導團隊也在台灣總部也在台灣所以基本上是絕對守得住的\n那投資來講的話目前台灣的再建工程正在進行建設的廠也是最多的遠遠超過六個廠遠遠超過在海外的部分所以這一點我們是很有信心的\n好那你要有信心可是問題是現在昨天就新聞就是做很大嘛就是東京的威力科創它對於我們台積電的2奈米的金屬可能在某一些製程上面都是獨家的製程嘛\n可能它的光容積的那個光阻塗布啊或者是它的電晶體製成的溶顆等等這都是這個台積電兩奈米的這樣關鍵製成那問題是未來怎麼樣子\n如果台積電跟東京的威力科創它進行訴訟會不會影響到目前我們在日本的投資呢會不會這個跟在日本投資是我認為是沒有關聯性的\n那你講的是一般來講很多企業在進行輸送中還是會進行交易因為這是兩件事一個是針對兩個部門的事情那日本的確在特殊化學等領域是全球領先的地位那其實半導體產業本來就是很多第一合在一起的我們是製造第一\n他在化特用化學是第一那當然還有像ASMO的光刻機是第一那美國有很多的第一是兜起來的本來就是兜起來的那我們從國家的產業韌性這也是我們之前有報告過我們會強化兩塊的發展一個就是特用化學的發展一個是設備的發展\n所以我們台灣的特用化學有辦法遵應嗎我們想要往這裡進行突破那特用化學目前有一些我們分大廠小廠大廠大部分都比較目前是偏向後段製程的化學那以走純度為第一\n那現在有一些小廠已經開始在太空化學進行發展因為這些人都有一定的關鍵技術所以我們也一直在往這個方向來輔導那另外在設備部分我們也希望提高我們的自治率我們的目標是希望在八成以上所以我們一直在往這裡發展讓我們的整個韌性的提升會比較完整第二個一個帶動產業的發展跟更多的經濟的發展\n那這一次的就是說關於他的那個機密被竊的這樣事件會不會影響到整個兩奈米的佈局會不會應該不會兩奈米的佈局目前只有在台灣不會有到日本目前他也沒有兩奈米的佈局他之前是在七奈米六奈米左右那個範圍內那是二廠但二廠現在是延後了\n那整個兩奈米佈局目前只有在台灣在高雄那下一個世代預計應該會在也是在台灣在中部跟南部各一目前都在規劃中了\n好那最後我想要請問你就是說我們還有傳產的出口這個部分我們剛才講的都是半導體以及科技業的相關的產品出口那傳產的出口呢那對於傳產的出口我們知道現在對美的這個部分影響很大那怎麼樣子協助廠商\n我們協助廠商就是我們編列的短期因應方案就是在出口的協助包括他的保險他的運輸等等我們與協助之外那我們也協助他進行研發的改造讓他的這個讓過去比較比價格的可以進到比\n比那個技術的部分那中長期的部分我們也在AI時代建設有一個產業AI化裡面兩個重點一個重點就是三個重點第一個重點就是產品的AI化讓它的跟這個競爭會提升另外就是在它的運作流程供應鏈上還有在銷售上面都是透過AI化來協助他們來做所以我們才會有一個\nAI運用百萬家的計畫出來希望讓大家透過AI的方式發展那我們也會給予適度的協助在經費這些方面讓他們再轉型在中長期的部分那也就是為什麼我們在中部推動那個推動這個智慧精密新核心的原因在這裡\n我們希望政府可以持續的推動整個AI的轉型然後協助這些傳產企業能夠讓他們的產品在國際上更具競爭力才不會受到現在這一波的關稅以及匯率的影響 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