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\"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:03,390 --> 00:00:06,052\n好謝謝主席一樣麻煩請我們主委劉主委主委午安就是美國在川普總統上任之後那就對於國際貿易的秩序有一個新的一個做法那我想先請問主委一個大方向的一個問題你認為這樣子無論是川普總統\n\n2\n00:00:30,067 --> 00:00:54,657\n請一些貿易對美國來說貿易逆差的國家來增加關稅或者是要擴大美國投資的這樣子的一件事情對於美國的這個經濟來看長遠來看對美國的經濟是好的還是不好的你認為這個是一個很難答的題目因為他有利有弊有利有弊就長遠來看\n\n3\n00:00:57,687 --> 00:01:22,839\n長遠來看如果用很長遠的角度來看對美國應該是好的可是在短期的衝擊會不會影響到長遠是一個值得觀察的可是我的疑問是說一個國家這樣子的貿然的去改變國際的貿易秩序然後對於廠商有這麼多不穩定的一個投資因素在裡面\n\n4\n00:01:23,459 --> 00:01:25,906\n那對於他的國家的經濟您認為這樣對他的國家經濟長期來說還是好的\n\n5\n00:01:28,437 --> 00:01:55,423\n現在即使在我們觀察美國的即使美國的經濟學者的看法也是會有兩極化就會有兩個面向那所以它還是一個因為有點顛覆很多過去的看法跟學術理論所以它變成一個是必須要被觀察的其實商業行為尤其是大型的投資案其實大部分的人都是求一個穩定其實很多人在關稅例上面他其實都會認為說關稅幾%對他來說\n\n6\n00:01:58,284 --> 00:02:26,474\n他不是那麼的在乎只要是能夠接受範圍內但是就是要穩定不要早上一個政策晚上一個政策因此我認為在美國川普總統就任之後每天都有新的一個貿易政策跟貿易的規矩出來會影響很多不只是台灣中華民國而是全世界各個國家對於美國的一個投資他可能會抱持一個光榮的態度他可能會對於在美國的投資他會\n\n7\n00:02:27,154 --> 00:02:46,866\n放完腳步所以我都認為這樣子的一個不穩定性長期而言我會認為說對美國的經濟它長遠影響可能短期間內可以看到可能要求一些企業去做投資短期內可能會有一些數字上會比較好看但是因為長期的不穩定性我相信對美國的經濟長期而言或許我認為是會不好的那在不好的情況下\n\n8\n00:02:53,783 --> 00:03:06,469\n就是在美國這麼樣的一個貿易不穩定的情況下那身為我們國發會的一個角色你會認為我們台灣的中華民國的企業持續的擴大對美國的投資嗎\n\n9\n00:03:08,523 --> 00:03:31,131\n其實如果您記得在2017那個時候1718的時候大家也是跟現在生活有點接近那時候我們每天都在跟我們的廠商在探討怎麼樣去面對未來跟解決那個時候我自己學到一件事情就是你自己的競爭力在什麼程度會決定你會做什麼事情\n\n10\n00:03:34,032 --> 00:03:51,373\n當你很薄弱的時候是一種做法你很強壯是一個做法所以我在思考就是說未來的變局其實我相信也不是只有這一次我們也不知道什麼時候還有再來的變局就像我們剛才總統說的暫時金融關稅我相信川普現在的關稅對全世界每個國家來說\n\n11\n00:03:52,294 --> 00:04:16,577\n都是暫時性的我相信只要一個他不開心他就會挑啊都是挑戰所以我們反而怎麼去讓自己的企業變強還有我們的體質變好所以我們才會端出AI新時代建設希望透過這樣的一個機會不但是提升我們的體質第二個轉變我們的行業特性增加軟體的部分那也讓關鍵技術再增加\n\n12\n00:04:17,998 --> 00:04:41,992\n那我們希望透過這樣的方式讓整個台灣有一個比較大的體質改變當然就現階段而言美國確實還是我們全球最大的經濟體那也是我們許多自動汽產業現在應該躍升為第一大的一個粗糙國了這是一個出口貿易的國家了短期內我們確實是不能沒有中斷跟美國的交易但是我認為站在國家的發展長遠來看其實\n\n13\n00:04:43,793 --> 00:05:07,768\n你說川普這樣的很多行為很多人對他是非常憤怒但是其實站在川普的角度看如果說我們換到我們每一個人換到川普這個位置來看其實他也是站在自己的角度可能在為了自己的國家在爭取貿易上面更多的有利的一個條件每一個人的角度來看你要美國要拿的多那其他國家要拿的少美國更有利一點的條件那其他國家就去\n\n14\n00:05:08,428 --> 00:05:24,633\n你也是我覺得每個條件不一樣那每一個國家都是在為了自己的產業在做最好的政策的規劃那在這樣子的方向我覺得在未來啦你們國家在發展上面你們未來人會持續用以美國為最大的比如說你們未來在輔導一些\n\n15\n00:05:27,234 --> 00:05:41,160\n產業創立或是輔導產業在做國際貿易的時候你們一樣會把美國當作一個最大的籃子嗎還是你們會記取這一次的經驗你們會認為說全球貿易應該是一個分散化的一個一個分散化的一個\n\n16\n00:05:42,421 --> 00:06:02,971\n的態度來讓產業能夠分散風險我的主張一向是多元佈局因為在全球的進口的總額就每個國家進口的金額加總美國大概占18%左右大概還有82%的進口市場就是市在別的地方對我們來講是出口市場\n\n17\n00:06:04,412 --> 00:06:23,673\n所以我比較主張的是我們要多元步其實這個就是最近我們國家常常講的韌性其實貿易也必須要有韌性所以在未來或許說在過去一段時間因為政治的關係或什麼的關係我們過度的依賴美國但是我們現在也知道說每個國家都是以自己國家的利益為最大的利益在調整自己的政策那我覺得在國家範圍會的一個立場\n\n18\n00:06:25,555 --> 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--> 00:06.052\n好謝謝主席一樣麻煩請我們主委劉主委主委午安就是美國在川普總統上任之後那就對於國際貿易的秩序有一個新的一個做法那我想先請問主委一個大方向的一個問題你認為這樣子無論是川普總統\n\n00:30.067 --> 00:54.657\n請一些貿易對美國來說貿易逆差的國家來增加關稅或者是要擴大美國投資的這樣子的一件事情對於美國的這個經濟來看長遠來看對美國的經濟是好的還是不好的你認為這個是一個很難答的題目因為他有利有弊有利有弊就長遠來看\n\n00:57.687 --> 01:22.839\n長遠來看如果用很長遠的角度來看對美國應該是好的可是在短期的衝擊會不會影響到長遠是一個值得觀察的可是我的疑問是說一個國家這樣子的貿然的去改變國際的貿易秩序然後對於廠商有這麼多不穩定的一個投資因素在裡面\n\n01:23.459 --> 01:25.906\n那對於他的國家的經濟您認為這樣對他的國家經濟長期來說還是好的\n\n01:28.437 --> 01:55.423\n現在即使在我們觀察美國的即使美國的經濟學者的看法也是會有兩極化就會有兩個面向那所以它還是一個因為有點顛覆很多過去的看法跟學術理論所以它變成一個是必須要被觀察的其實商業行為尤其是大型的投資案其實大部分的人都是求一個穩定其實很多人在關稅例上面他其實都會認為說關稅幾%對他來說\n\n01:58.284 --> 02:26.474\n他不是那麼的在乎只要是能夠接受範圍內但是就是要穩定不要早上一個政策晚上一個政策因此我認為在美國川普總統就任之後每天都有新的一個貿易政策跟貿易的規矩出來會影響很多不只是台灣中華民國而是全世界各個國家對於美國的一個投資他可能會抱持一個光榮的態度他可能會對於在美國的投資他會\n\n02:27.154 --> 02:46.866\n放完腳步所以我都認為這樣子的一個不穩定性長期而言我會認為說對美國的經濟它長遠影響可能短期間內可以看到可能要求一些企業去做投資短期內可能會有一些數字上會比較好看但是因為長期的不穩定性我相信對美國的經濟長期而言或許我認為是會不好的那在不好的情況下\n\n02:53.783 --> 03:06.469\n就是在美國這麼樣的一個貿易不穩定的情況下那身為我們國發會的一個角色你會認為我們台灣的中華民國的企業持續的擴大對美國的投資嗎\n\n03:08.523 --> 03:31.131\n其實如果您記得在2017那個時候1718的時候大家也是跟現在生活有點接近那時候我們每天都在跟我們的廠商在探討怎麼樣去面對未來跟解決那個時候我自己學到一件事情就是你自己的競爭力在什麼程度會決定你會做什麼事情\n\n03:34.032 --> 03:51.373\n當你很薄弱的時候是一種做法你很強壯是一個做法所以我在思考就是說未來的變局其實我相信也不是只有這一次我們也不知道什麼時候還有再來的變局就像我們剛才總統說的暫時金融關稅我相信川普現在的關稅對全世界每個國家來說\n\n03:52.294 --> 04:16.577\n都是暫時性的我相信只要一個他不開心他就會挑啊都是挑戰所以我們反而怎麼去讓自己的企業變強還有我們的體質變好所以我們才會端出AI新時代建設希望透過這樣的一個機會不但是提升我們的體質第二個轉變我們的行業特性增加軟體的部分那也讓關鍵技術再增加\n\n04:17.998 --> 04:41.992\n那我們希望透過這樣的方式讓整個台灣有一個比較大的體質改變當然就現階段而言美國確實還是我們全球最大的經濟體那也是我們許多自動汽產業現在應該躍升為第一大的一個粗糙國了這是一個出口貿易的國家了短期內我們確實是不能沒有中斷跟美國的交易但是我認為站在國家的發展長遠來看其實\n\n04:43.793 --> 05:07.768\n你說川普這樣的很多行為很多人對他是非常憤怒但是其實站在川普的角度看如果說我們換到我們每一個人換到川普這個位置來看其實他也是站在自己的角度可能在為了自己的國家在爭取貿易上面更多的有利的一個條件每一個人的角度來看你要美國要拿的多那其他國家要拿的少美國更有利一點的條件那其他國家就去\n\n05:08.428 --> 05:24.633\n你也是我覺得每個條件不一樣那每一個國家都是在為了自己的產業在做最好的政策的規劃那在這樣子的方向我覺得在未來啦你們國家在發展上面你們未來人會持續用以美國為最大的比如說你們未來在輔導一些\n\n05:27.234 --> 05:41.160\n產業創立或是輔導產業在做國際貿易的時候你們一樣會把美國當作一個最大的籃子嗎還是你們會記取這一次的經驗你們會認為說全球貿易應該是一個分散化的一個一個分散化的一個\n\n05:42.421 --> 06:02.971\n的態度來讓產業能夠分散風險我的主張一向是多元佈局因為在全球的進口的總額就每個國家進口的金額加總美國大概占18%左右大概還有82%的進口市場就是市在別的地方對我們來講是出口市場\n\n06:04.412 --> 06:23.673\n所以我比較主張的是我們要多元步其實這個就是最近我們國家常常講的韌性其實貿易也必須要有韌性所以在未來或許說在過去一段時間因為政治的關係或什麼的關係我們過度的依賴美國但是我們現在也知道說每個國家都是以自己國家的利益為最大的利益在調整自己的政策那我覺得在國家範圍會的一個立場\n\n06:25.555 --> 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