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00:01:12,679\n署長有掌握嗎是的那我想講的是說你們後續有沒有後續的追蹤包委員其實我跟兩邊的負責的人都有一些都有見面又有在了解他們的狀況不過兩個聯盟說實在他們的差距會很大嗎\n\n5\n00:01:13,919 --> 00:01:28,815\n不小在經營的理念上面差距不小但我認為是這樣子還是要多收集一些相關的資料那你也應該要多跟產業人士多溝通我想我們也有很多的大前輩在籃球界\n\n6\n00:01:29,195 --> 00:01:51,878\n是不是有辦法繼續的去磨合那我要分享的是說網路有一些相關的文字我們也可以去做查詢他們有分享到日本整合成功的一個關鍵因素政府跟FIBA介入行程改革的壓力那FIBA他們現在是當時是直接對於日本藍鞋實施禁賽的處分\n\n7\n00:01:52,739 --> 00:02:18,134\n迫使JBA必須要放棄舊有的模式接受改革那我相信當時政府他們也一定會給予相關的資源讓診病不僅是體育的一個問題更上升到國家還有他們國家是怎麼樣的一個期待我想未來體育部要出來我們這個部分能不能合併攔血那這個對不起不是攔血直攔\n\n8\n00:02:19,658 --> 00:02:40,416\n這個是很多的球迷期待的我希望說你們要有更大的魄力如果過程會痛但是結果是甜美的我想你應該要繼續努力署長你覺得呢包委員那你剛剛說的沒有錯FIBA的部分的確針對每個地區每個國家的籃球職業聯盟都有一些他的一些做法規範\n\n9\n00:02:41,192 --> 00:03:03,326\n那這部分我要跟藍協再來研究看看可以怎麼樣來協助這兩個人對嘛去研究一下然後甚至是就教於這個前面的一些狀況是不是有一些例子可循啊或者是能夠找一些外部資源幫忙協助這部分我希望你能夠再更加的積極那部長我想再請教幾個問題營養午餐法什麼時候可以送立法院審查\n\n10\n00:03:05,300 --> 00:03:23,979\n3月20日說要持續跟地方政府溝通目前的狀況如何最棘手最分歧的有哪些跟委員說明一下委員的關心我們持續進行在下一週我們會找幾個縣市先行諮詢但是之前跟委員講\n\n11\n00:03:27,099 --> 00:03:54,079\n下一周之前跟委員報告的是有幾個議題它因為受財化法的影響比較深財化法的方向現在還沒有很明確所以我們先用諮詢不要耽誤時間所以確定的時候全縣市召開決策的會議所以現在先啟動諮詢第二點剛剛委員問到項目第一個是收費第二個是人第三個是偏鄉大概是這幾個課題還需要持續當然中間每一項都會涉及到財源的配置謝謝\n\n12\n00:03:55,100 --> 00:04:04,149\n才化法跟裁員的配置這我都可以尊重我們後續滾動是修正嘛但是就像我說的先行做溝通可是3月20到現在你下禮拜才要溝通是嗎\n\n13\n00:04:06,929 --> 00:04:26,035\n中間持續有只有剛剛講的三個議題溝通那因為當時4月14號答應委員之後受財化法的影響蠻深的但是我們也覺得不能再等可是財化法沒有很明確的話在溝通上地方政府也不知道我們要採取什麼樣的一個策略但是我們想有些還是可以先溝通譬如說我們先以50%為一個對象\n\n14\n00:04:27,836 --> 00:04:47,731\n好先溝通我們滾動式調整那第二個偏遠地區學校教育發展條例那我想當初為了這個立法的目的是想要解決偏鄉環境交通不利解決失之不穩的問題那解決學生學習經費不足的問題但是立法至今超過7年各界對於成效\n\n15\n00:04:48,892 --> 00:05:01,483\n有很多的反思討論還是日益的增加我想所以昨天才召開公聽會又聽取意見教育部也曾說要送版本進來但是到現在都沒有部長你在忙什麼\n\n16\n00:05:03,049 --> 00:05:26,234\n我想跟委員報告他確實是地方在這個營養午餐法的這個設立他還有許多不一樣的一些意見所以偏鄉條例這裡邊我想我們確實是在希望能夠在跟地方因為營養午餐還是在提供地方的這些小學生嘛地方如果有許多的差距\n\n17\n00:05:26,894 --> 00:05:46,889\n的一些意見因為地方各方面的一個條件事實上是不一樣以目前來講有的有的這個縣市他營養午餐是縣市裡面就前額免費那有的地方他是希望政府可以多更多的一些支持所以我們會希望有更多的一些建立共識不然\n\n18\n00:05:47,489 --> 00:06:16,272\n在這裡邊法令下去的時候事實上地方大概也會有許多的一些不同的意見但過程讓我們知道一下你們在忙什麼要不然我們真的對於現在這樣子我們是非常非常的擔憂因為包含其實我也很清楚營養午餐裡面公辦的營養午餐它的廚房所有廚工所有營養我知道那個都需要後續的整合去協調所以民辦民營的這個部分就會希望有一些我想這個各個學校\n\n19\n00:06:17,092 --> 00:06:36,257\n各個地方縣市政府真的樣態不太一樣我想委員也充分理解我們現在就希望能夠建立一個大家至少能夠有一定的共識這個法案提出來也許至少大家就能夠來支持大概做這樣一個補充那你有沒有什麼期程表什麼時候可以送進來\n\n20\n00:06:38,405 --> 00:06:54,977\n昨天在開會的時候本部市長張廖次長有回應基本上有兩個因素我們還在一起整合評估第一個因素才化法我也知道第二個因素八月份我們會召開一個全國性的會議這兩個會議跟那個因素處理了之後會具體跟委員做說明\n\n21\n00:06:56,377 --> 00:07:14,817\n部長那另外想跟你請問喔之前我有跟你就教校園目前依法禁用基改食品但台美關稅現在還在談面對國際貿易的壓力教育部如何堅守校園零基改這樣的底線喔與經濟部外交部是否有跨部會的協調機制這個部分\n\n22\n00:07:16,004 --> 00:07:39,711\n您要不要表達一下基改食品會不會進到校園我們目前的態度還是一樣的對所有的這些我們以在地食材提供我們這些小學生有一個更好的一個更新鮮健康的一個食材我想那是我們到目前的一個立場都沒有改變我想八月份主改傳聞不斷\n\n23\n00:07:41,351 --> 00:07:47,847\n部長你也是被執政黨的立委點名要下台的人選之一我想部長有沒有信心要留任\n\n24\n00:07:49,637 --> 00:08:17,602\n還是你覺得外界對你有些誤會要不要透過這個機會這個場合跟大家說明一下謝謝委員關心我的氣流但是我一直覺得政務官至少從我個人來講這個進退要優雅要雍容就像我剛才也有主席提我說也許說明委員希望我留下來但是我想很多的因素那不是我能夠假設性的問題我想我在這邊我就不方便回答部長這樣子八個字\n\n25\n00:08:19,031 --> 00:08:34,285\n盡力而為問心無愧啦那其他的政策執行面我不談喔但是我要跟你還是算是要鼓勵啦因為光是部長願意一同來支持夜光天使延伸事辦在台中\n\n26\n00:08:35,649 --> 00:08:51,123\n由台中先行來示範我就要給部長肯定那肯定部長願意給弱勢的學童能夠有一個翻身的機會多一些資源陪伴你沒有放棄這些弱勢的學童我想在這裡我還是要給你加油好嗎\n\n27\n00:08:53,952 --> 00:09:09,833\n但是另外我要跟你請教的一個問題我們教師能力到底是階段性的短缺還是結構性的崩壞照不到老師已經不是偶發的現象是現在逐漸成為常態過去我們就多認為缺老師\n\n28\n00:09:11,255 --> 00:09:33,311\n有可能是因為偏鄉或冷門的科目但是現在就連過去認為相對穩定的學科跟地區也都出現缺額補不滿報道率偏低部長教育部似乎是已經全面的掌握各個學校教師在職人力的實際缺額狀況有沒有建立一套依據學段學科\n\n29\n00:09:34,231 --> 00:09:55,679\n進行系統性的盤點人力資料的一個機制另外針對五年可預見的退休潮中央是不是已經有統籌規劃或者是有前瞻的佈局降低人力斷層的一個風險我想教育部在這幾年提出的值錢增益增量\n\n30\n00:09:56,581 --> 00:10:12,476\n培育擴大公費施培多元聘用方向我們都支持可是目前我是覺得這個方向沒有問題但是效果沒有到位啊到底我們現在的狀況是怎麼樣有沒有去做滾動式檢討根據\n\n31\n00:10:15,579 --> 00:10:38,171\n親子天下報導2022到2024全台教師增開缺超過1.5萬人占全體教師的10%卻有高達57.5的檢定合格人員不進入教職現在的情況是拿了證照卻不想當老師這樣的人越來越多那些師培生以及教職指教師\n\n32\n00:10:39,927 --> 00:10:45,503\n給我們的建議來看教育現場最大的痛點還是行政業務太多這我也有跟你講過\n\n33\n00:10:47,677 --> 00:11:09,908\n光老師他要處理的事情多如流氓我們要怎麼幫他增加終點費增加他的相關的權益教學的時間被壓縮升遷制度僵化長期職涯缺乏吸引力待遇有待提升整體就是不具吸引力部長我講了這麼多你到底有沒有針對這些問題去做全國性的調查\n\n34\n00:11:11,793 --> 00:11:31,085\n現在這三年來各縣市的教師正式只要他開出正式的缺以今年為例不管高中、國中、國小都超過入許率都超過90%以上也就是說我們事實上看到不足而只有少數大概以國中大概6%多\n\n35\n00:11:33,030 --> 00:12:00,135\n國小大概8%多那高中大概這個8點多%不到9%這裡邊反映了一個現象就是說各縣市他只要開出正式的名額大部分都招到了他們所需要的老師所以我們事實上有差距我也不敢否認就是說我們確實有少數的學校偏鄉的可能譬如說去年來講有某一個縣市\n\n36\n00:12:01,135 --> 00:12:15,913\n他希望招了十幾位的英文的老師報名有四十幾位可是經過教授們的這些這個所謂的委員的審查錄取是從缺\n\n37\n00:12:17,543 --> 00:12:34,598\n所以我當時也問了這個地方的教育局處長說那你這樣既然你缺了那麼多然後老師教授們都認為他不夠Qualify那這時候你的代理英文還是要有人上那這時候怎麼辦他說那我們還是從這裡邊的\n\n38\n00:12:37,646 --> 00:13:01,280\n來找代理老師這我要講的嘛所以我說數據上我們兩個有差距但是你不能否認還是有一些問題是那現在我就要講的學校正式的編制能力長期不足嘛仰賴的代理教師年年支撐課務嘛根據教師們的反應如今在學校教書的喔越來越困難也因此不少新進教師在報導不久後選擇離職啊這你有掌握嗎\n\n39\n00:13:02,521 --> 00:13:26,177\n我想有一些這個年輕人有更好的一個工作機會當然變動我們當然希望他不要有比教師更好的工作機會留財惜財愛財我們怎麼樣培育我們未來的主人翁我們一直在朝那個方向努力代理教師每年更換現在教學與行政工作\n\n40\n00:13:27,455 --> 00:13:47,600\n非常難以穩定的銜接這也是現在偏鄉地區更為嚴重師資缺額常常一缺再缺就是好幾個學期學校只能勉強靠遠距教學或者是跨校兼課來支撐這樣子最大的受害者是誰是孩子啊所以部長我剛剛提到這些問題教育部是不是有整體性的掌握\n\n41\n00:13:49,397 --> 00:14:11,564\n公文報告我們事實上這個從國教署第一線現場各地方的一些這個待遇老師其實你應該都知道啦我知道你知道啦但是問題是你知道但是不知道怎麼解決這就是問題我們沒有不知道怎麼解決但是解決是確實需要一些時間譬如說我們看到的小學老師偏鄉老師\n\n42\n00:14:12,904 --> 00:14:29,733\n你今天一個師培進來大學四年再加上教育學分要五年甚至六年才會有後端的這些合格老師他參加國家考試包括地方還有開學我們這裡邊也希望課程裡邊去做一些怎麼樣的改善\n\n43\n00:14:30,233 --> 00:14:46,508\n讓學生能夠他的教育學分能夠在畢業學分數裡面他就可以預修而且能夠成為一個他的同時能夠大學畢業的一個學分的一個承認我們事實上做了許多的改變包含偏鄉\n\n44\n00:14:47,509 --> 00:15:05,557\n一些代理代課的老師他怎麼樣讓他能夠有教育學分因為偏鄉他不可能白天出來上課當然我們就開始結合但是時間有限啦我們現在focus在這個行政減量了行政減量講了十幾年了啦感謝委員提醒其實蔡英文前總統\n\n45\n00:15:06,417 --> 00:15:24,647\n潘文忠前部長歷任國教署長到縣市政府首長都公開表態要支持行政減量但是基層老師反映行政工作不減反增全教總2023年調查超過六成老師認為行政負擔沉重而且教學時間被大幅壓縮最後還是我們的孩子受害\n\n46\n00:15:25,507 --> 00:15:40,252\n所以到底有沒有什麼辦法能夠再更有效的把這個行政減量我知道你有改進公委員報告如果以現在的我們所謂的許多的考核跟評鑑的那個項目大概至少都減少一半到三分之二\n\n47\n00:15:41,172 --> 00:16:01,101\n所以到底是你的感受跟老師的感受不一樣也跟委員報告當教育部在減量的時候事實上地方因為來自於家長更高的期待他們也在不知不覺又在增加嘛所以教育部在減量地方在增加來造成我們第一線上老師有許多的一些就我們來努力但是不能把所有的東西都\n\n48\n00:16:06,664 --> 00:16:34,534\n加在教育部我們真的有在努力我想可以讓署長來直接講許多的評鑑我剛剛才給你肯定啦你後面的國教署長有在做事我知道啦你有沒有減量有可是我現在要講的是說就像你說的嘛家長的期待地方縣市首長的期待可能增加一些行政的你們要去幫忙協助溝通去做一個整體的控管我覺得這部分你也要保護老師啊\n\n49\n00:16:35,194 --> 00:16:53,325\n因為保護老師才會保護學生啊包含校事會我剛才也有幾位委員在關心我們也在檢討好啦我最後30秒問一個問題啦教育部對不起運動部啦我們要成立了啦9月9號要掛牌到底可不可以運動部設置在台中你們現在還沒講啊可不可以\n\n50\n00:17:00,247 --> 00:17:26,750\n台中南來北往多麼方便高雄這些民意代表他們也可能要到台北很遠台中不是很好嗎報告委員我想很多縣市都對我們運動部的位置會蠻多的期待不過光是您看就我現在體育署我自己本身每天跑立法院跟行政院我的同仁每天這樣跑說實在所以你是覺得在立法院旁邊最好就對了事實上越近越好真的是這樣子\n\n51\n00:17:27,551 --> 00:17:47,948\n同仁其實每天都要跑我上次跆拳道的時候發生世大運的事情我支持你當部長喔包委員我們沒有被徵詢謝謝謝謝委員可不可以台中多考慮一下包委員這部分我們目前應該會在台北行政院到底有沒有在台北喔但是我們會在未來還要再重新再行政院核定了沒啦行政院核定了沒\n\n52\n00:17:49,789 --> 00:18:11,216\n呃目前是應該應該是核定了應該應該是在哪裡在目前在我們本本屬的體育大樓本部在這邊然後那個體育署直接轉體育部然後我們的全民運輸以及產業科技師都會在六張梨站旁邊的一個冠德和平大樓哦你說冠德培大樓對啊你的\n\n53\n00:18:12,376 --> 00:18:30,222\n體育署的運動部本身會在現在體育署所在地體育大樓哦好那未來會再尋找一塊地來重新來蓋一個整合的一個運動部但是應該很多年之後了好好好有有消息就好了啦那沒關係我們持續在爭取其他的在台中啊好謝謝謝謝羅廷偉委員的質詢官員請回座接下來有請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7874\t12837\t好謝謝召委有請部長體育署署長好請部長請署長被質詢謝謝\n17452\t39058\t部長好我想台師大這個風暴擴大那也有新聞在不斷的爆料出來有很多的一些像跆拳道的校友也自曝自己抽血過我想很多的這些相關的關鍵我們都非常關切所以今天所有的委員都非常關心此類案件到底後續的一個追蹤\n39958\t51111\t但是也有幾個問題想另外就教請問一下我想體育是要很多的地方需要我們再來幫忙協助的先請問一下台灣雙職籃合併現在確定破局\n55017\t72679\t署長有掌握嗎是的那我想講的是說你們後續有沒有後續的追蹤包委員其實我跟兩邊的負責的人都有一些都有見面又有在了解他們的狀況不過兩個聯盟說實在他們的差距會很大嗎\n73919\t88815\t不小在經營的理念上面差距不小但我認為是這樣子還是要多收集一些相關的資料那你也應該要多跟產業人士多溝通我想我們也有很多的大前輩在籃球界\n89195\t111878\t是不是有辦法繼續的去磨合那我要分享的是說網路有一些相關的文字我們也可以去做查詢他們有分享到日本整合成功的一個關鍵因素政府跟FIBA介入行程改革的壓力那FIBA他們現在是當時是直接對於日本藍鞋實施禁賽的處分\n112739\t138134\t迫使JBA必須要放棄舊有的模式接受改革那我相信當時政府他們也一定會給予相關的資源讓診病不僅是體育的一個問題更上升到國家還有他們國家是怎麼樣的一個期待我想未來體育部要出來我們這個部分能不能合併攔血那這個 對不起不是攔血 直攔\n139658\t160416\t這個是很多的球迷期待的我希望說你們要有更大的魄力如果過程會痛但是結果是甜美的我想你應該要繼續努力署長你覺得呢包委員那你剛剛說的沒有錯FIBA的部分的確針對每個地區每個國家的籃球職業聯盟都有一些他的一些做法規範\n161192\t183326\t那這部分我要跟藍協再來研究看看可以怎麼樣來協助這兩個人對嘛去研究一下然後甚至是就教於這個前面的一些狀況是不是有一些例子可循啊或者是能夠找一些外部資源幫忙協助這部分我希望你能夠再更加的積極那部長我想再請教幾個問題營養午餐法什麼時候可以送立法院審查\n185300\t203979\t3月20日說要持續跟地方政府溝通目前的狀況如何 最棘手 最分歧的有哪些跟委員說明一下 委員的關心我們持續進行在下一週我們會找幾個縣市先行諮詢但是之前跟委員講\n207099\t234079\t下一周之前跟委員報告的是有幾個議題它因為受財化法的影響比較深財化法的方向現在還沒有很明確所以我們先用諮詢不要耽誤時間所以確定的時候全縣市召開決策的會議所以現在先啟動諮詢第二點剛剛委員問到項目第一個是收費第二個是人第三個是偏鄉大概是這幾個課題還需要持續當然中間每一項都會涉及到財源的配置謝謝\n235100\t244149\t才化法跟裁員的配置這我都可以尊重我們後續滾動是修正嘛但是就像我說的先行做溝通可是3月20到現在你下禮拜才要溝通是嗎\n246929\t266035\t中間持續有只有剛剛講的三個議題溝通那因為當時4月14號答應委員之後受財化法的影響蠻深的但是我們也覺得不能再等可是財化法沒有很明確的話在溝通上地方政府也不知道我們要採取什麼樣的一個策略但是我們想有些還是可以先溝通譬如說我們先以50%為一個對象\n267836\t287731\t好先溝通我們滾動式調整那第二個偏遠地區學校教育發展條例那我想當初為了這個立法的目的是想要解決偏鄉環境交通不利解決失之不穩的問題那解決學生學習經費不足的問題但是立法至今超過7年各界對於成效\n288892\t301483\t有很多的反思討論還是日益的增加我想所以昨天才召開公聽會又聽取意見教育部也曾說要送版本進來但是到現在都沒有部長你在忙什麼\n303049\t326234\t我想跟委員報告他確實是地方在這個營養午餐法的這個設立他還有許多不一樣的一些意見所以偏鄉條例這裡邊我想我們確實是在希望能夠在跟地方因為營養午餐還是在提供地方的這些小學生嘛地方如果有許多的差距\n326894\t346889\t的一些意見因為地方各方面的一個條件事實上是不一樣以目前來講有的有的這個縣市他營養午餐是縣市裡面就前額免費那有的地方他是希望政府可以多更多的一些支持所以我們會希望有更多的一些建立共識不然\n347489\t376272\t在這裡邊法令下去的時候事實上地方大概也會有許多的一些不同的意見但過程讓我們知道一下你們在忙什麼要不然我們真的對於現在這樣子我們是非常非常的擔憂因為包含其實我也很清楚營養午餐裡面公辦的營養午餐它的廚房所有廚工所有營養我知道那個都需要後續的整合去協調所以民辦民營的這個部分就會希望有一些我想這個各個學校\n377092\t396257\t各個地方縣市政府真的樣態不太一樣我想委員也充分理解我們現在就希望能夠建立一個大家至少能夠有一定的共識這個法案提出來也許至少大家就能夠來支持大概做這樣一個補充那你有沒有什麼期程表什麼時候可以送進來\n398405\t414977\t昨天在開會的時候本部市長張廖次長有回應基本上有兩個因素我們還在一起整合評估第一個因素才化法我也知道第二個因素八月份我們會召開一個全國性的會議這兩個會議跟那個因素處理了之後會具體跟委員做說明\n416377\t434817\t部長那另外想跟你請問喔之前我有跟你就教校園目前依法禁用基改食品但台美關稅現在還在談面對國際貿易的壓力教育部如何堅守校園零基改這樣的底線喔與經濟部外交部是否有跨部會的協調機制這個部分\n436004\t459711\t您要不要表達一下基改食品會不會進到校園我們目前的態度還是一樣的對所有的這些我們以在地食材提供我們這些小學生有一個更好的一個更新鮮健康的一個食材我想那是我們到目前的一個立場都沒有改變我想八月份主改傳聞不斷\n461351\t467847\t部長 你也是被執政黨的立委點名要下台的人選之一我想部長有沒有信心要留任\n469637\t497602\t還是你覺得外界對你有些誤會要不要透過這個機會這個場合跟大家說明一下謝謝委員關心我的氣流但是我一直覺得政務官至少從我個人來講這個進退要優雅要雍容就像我剛才也有主席提我說也許說明委員希望我留下來但是我想很多的因素那不是我能夠假設性的問題我想我在這邊我就不方便回答部長這樣子八個字\n499031\t514285\t盡力而為 問心無愧啦那其他的政策執行面我不談喔但是我要跟你還是算是要鼓勵啦因為光是部長願意一同來支持夜光天使延伸事辦在台中\n515649\t531123\t由台中先行來示範我就要給部長肯定那肯定部長願意給弱勢的學童能夠有一個翻身的機會多一些資源陪伴你沒有放棄這些弱勢的學童我想在這裡我還是要給你加油好嗎\n533952\t549833\t但是另外我要跟你請教的一個問題我們教師能力到底是階段性的短缺還是結構性的崩壞照不到老師已經不是偶發的現象是現在逐漸成為常態過去我們就多認為缺老師\n551255\t573311\t有可能是因為偏鄉或冷門的科目但是現在就連過去認為相對穩定的學科跟地區也都出現缺額補不滿報道率偏低部長教育部似乎是已經全面的掌握各個學校教師在職人力的實際缺額狀況有沒有建立一套依據學段學科\n574231\t595679\t進行系統性的盤點人力資料的一個機制另外針對五年可預見的退休潮中央是不是已經有統籌規劃或者是有前瞻的佈局降低人力斷層的一個風險我想教育部在這幾年提出的值錢增益增量\n596581\t612476\t培育擴大公費施培多元聘用方向我們都支持可是目前我是覺得這個方向沒有問題但是效果沒有到位啊到底我們現在的狀況是怎麼樣有沒有去做滾動式檢討根據\n615579\t638171\t親子天下報導2022到2024全台教師增開缺超過1.5萬人占全體教師的10%卻有高達57.5的檢定合格人員不進入教職現在的情況是拿了證照卻不想當老師這樣的人越來越多那些師培生以及教職指教師\n639927\t645503\t給我們的建議來看教育現場最大的痛點還是行政業務太多這我也有跟你講過\n647677\t669908\t光老師他要處理的事情多如流氓我們要怎麼幫他增加終點費增加他的相關的權益教學的時間被壓縮升遷制度僵化長期職涯缺乏吸引力待遇有待提升整體就是不具吸引力部長我講了這麼多你到底有沒有針對這些問題去做全國性的調查\n671793\t691085\t現在這三年來各縣市的教師正式只要他開出正式的缺以今年為例不管高中、國中、國小都超過入許率都超過90%以上也就是說我們事實上看到不足而只有少數大概以國中大概6%多\n693030\t720135\t國小大概8%多那高中大概這個8點多%不到9%這裡邊反映了一個現象就是說各縣市他只要開出正式的名額大部分都招到了他們所需要的老師所以我們事實上有差距我也不敢否認就是說我們確實有少數的學校偏鄉的可能譬如說去年來講有某一個縣市\n721135\t735913\t他希望招了十幾位的英文的老師報名有四十幾位可是經過教授們的這些這個所謂的委員的審查錄取是從缺\n737543\t754598\t所以我當時也問了這個地方的教育局處長說那你這樣既然你缺了那麼多然後老師教授們都認為他不夠Qualify那這時候你的代理英文還是要有人上那這時候怎麼辦他說那我們還是從這裡邊的\n757646\t781280\t來找代理老師這我要講的嘛所以我說數據上我們兩個有差距但是你不能否認還是有一些問題是那現在我就要講的學校正式的編制能力長期不足嘛仰賴的代理教師年年支撐課務嘛根據教師們的反應如今在學校教書的喔越來越困難也因此不少新進教師在報導不久後選擇離職啊這你有掌握嗎\n782521\t806177\t我想有一些這個年輕人有更好的一個工作機會當然變動我們當然希望他不要有比教師更好的工作機會留財 惜財 愛財我們怎麼樣培育我們未來的主人翁我們一直在朝那個方向努力代理教師每年更換現在教學與行政工作\n807455\t827600\t非常難以穩定的銜接這也是現在偏鄉地區更為嚴重師資缺額常常一缺再缺就是好幾個學期學校只能勉強靠遠距教學或者是跨校兼課來支撐這樣子最大的受害者是誰是孩子啊所以部長我剛剛提到這些問題教育部是不是有整體性的掌握\n829397\t851564\t公文報告我們事實上這個從國教署第一線現場各地方的一些這個待遇老師其實你應該都知道啦我知道你知道啦但是問題是你知道但是不知道怎麼解決這就是問題我們沒有不知道怎麼解決但是解決是確實需要一些時間譬如說我們看到的小學老師偏鄉老師\n852904\t869733\t你今天一個師培進來大學四年再加上教育學分要五年甚至六年才會有後端的這些合格老師他參加國家考試包括地方還有開學我們這裡邊也希望課程裡邊去做一些怎麼樣的改善\n870233\t886508\t讓學生能夠他的教育學分能夠在畢業學分數裡面他就可以預修而且能夠成為一個他的同時能夠大學畢業的一個學分的一個承認我們事實上做了許多的改變包含偏鄉\n887509\t905557\t一些代理代課的老師他怎麼樣讓他能夠有教育學分因為偏鄉他不可能白天出來上課當然我們就開始結合但是時間有限啦我們現在focus在這個行政減量了行政減量講了十幾年了啦感謝委員提醒其實蔡英文前總統\n906417\t924647\t潘文忠前部長歷任國教署長到縣市政府首長都公開表態要支持行政減量但是基層老師反映行政工作不減反增全教總2023年調查超過六成老師認為行政負擔沉重而且教學時間被大幅壓縮最後還是我們的孩子受害\n925507\t940252\t所以到底有沒有什麼辦法能夠再更有效的把這個行政減量我知道你有改進公委員報告如果以現在的我們所謂的許多的考核跟評鑑的那個項目大概至少都減少一半到三分之二\n941172\t961101\t所以到底是你的感受跟老師的感受不一樣也跟委員報告當教育部在減量的時候事實上地方因為來自於家長更高的期待他們也在不知不覺又在增加嘛所以教育部在減量地方在增加來造成我們第一線上老師有許多的一些就我們來努力但是不能把所有的東西都\n966664\t994534\t加在教育部我們真的有在努力我想可以讓署長來直接講許多的評鑑我剛剛才給你肯定啦你後面的國教署長有在做事我知道啦你有沒有減量有可是我現在要講的是說就像你說的嘛家長的期待地方縣市首長的期待可能增加一些行政的你們要去幫忙協助溝通去做一個整體的控管我覺得這部分你也要保護老師啊\n995194\t1013325\t因為保護老師才會保護學生啊包含校事會 我剛才也有幾位委員在關心我們也在檢討好啦 我最後30秒問一個問題啦教育部 對不起 運動部啦我們要成立了啦 9月9號要掛牌到底可不可以運動部設置在台中你們現在還沒講啊可不可以\n1020247\t1046750\t台中南來北往多麼方便高雄這些民意代表他們也可能要到台北很遠台中不是很好嗎報告委員我想很多縣市都對我們運動部的位置會蠻多的期待不過光是您看就我現在體育署我自己本身每天跑立法院跟行政院我的同仁每天這樣跑說實在所以你是覺得在立法院旁邊最好就對了事實上越近越好真的是這樣子\n1047551\t1067948\t同仁其實每天都要跑我上次跆拳道的時候發生世大運的事情我支持你當部長喔包委員我們沒有被徵詢謝謝謝謝委員可不可以台中多考慮一下包委員這部分我們目前應該會在台北行政院到底有沒有在台北喔但是我們會在未來還要再重新再行政院核定了沒啦行政院核定了沒\n1069789\t1091216\t呃目前是應該應該是核定了應該應該是在哪裡在目前在我們本本屬的體育大樓本部在這邊然後那個體育署直接轉體育部然後我們的全民運輸以及產業科技師都會在六張梨站旁邊的一個冠德和平大樓哦你說冠德培大樓對啊你的\n1092376\t1110222\t體育署的運動部本身會在現在體育署所在地體育大樓哦好那未來會再尋找一塊地來重新來蓋一個整合的一個運動部但是應該很多年之後了好好好有有消息就好了啦那沒關係我們持續在爭取其他的在台中啊好謝謝謝謝羅廷偉委員的質詢官員請回座接下來有請\n","txt":"好謝謝召委有請部長體育署署長好請部長請署長被質詢謝謝\n部長好我想台師大這個風暴擴大那也有新聞在不斷的爆料出來有很多的一些像跆拳道的校友也自曝自己抽血過我想很多的這些相關的關鍵我們都非常關切所以今天所有的委員都非常關心此類案件到底後續的一個追蹤\n但是也有幾個問題想另外就教請問一下我想體育是要很多的地方需要我們再來幫忙協助的先請問一下台灣雙職籃合併現在確定破局\n署長有掌握嗎是的那我想講的是說你們後續有沒有後續的追蹤包委員其實我跟兩邊的負責的人都有一些都有見面又有在了解他們的狀況不過兩個聯盟說實在他們的差距會很大嗎\n不小在經營的理念上面差距不小但我認為是這樣子還是要多收集一些相關的資料那你也應該要多跟產業人士多溝通我想我們也有很多的大前輩在籃球界\n是不是有辦法繼續的去磨合那我要分享的是說網路有一些相關的文字我們也可以去做查詢他們有分享到日本整合成功的一個關鍵因素政府跟FIBA介入行程改革的壓力那FIBA他們現在是當時是直接對於日本藍鞋實施禁賽的處分\n迫使JBA必須要放棄舊有的模式接受改革那我相信當時政府他們也一定會給予相關的資源讓診病不僅是體育的一個問題更上升到國家還有他們國家是怎麼樣的一個期待我想未來體育部要出來我們這個部分能不能合併攔血那這個 對不起不是攔血 直攔\n這個是很多的球迷期待的我希望說你們要有更大的魄力如果過程會痛但是結果是甜美的我想你應該要繼續努力署長你覺得呢包委員那你剛剛說的沒有錯FIBA的部分的確針對每個地區每個國家的籃球職業聯盟都有一些他的一些做法規範\n那這部分我要跟藍協再來研究看看可以怎麼樣來協助這兩個人對嘛去研究一下然後甚至是就教於這個前面的一些狀況是不是有一些例子可循啊或者是能夠找一些外部資源幫忙協助這部分我希望你能夠再更加的積極那部長我想再請教幾個問題營養午餐法什麼時候可以送立法院審查\n3月20日說要持續跟地方政府溝通目前的狀況如何 最棘手 最分歧的有哪些跟委員說明一下 委員的關心我們持續進行在下一週我們會找幾個縣市先行諮詢但是之前跟委員講\n下一周之前跟委員報告的是有幾個議題它因為受財化法的影響比較深財化法的方向現在還沒有很明確所以我們先用諮詢不要耽誤時間所以確定的時候全縣市召開決策的會議所以現在先啟動諮詢第二點剛剛委員問到項目第一個是收費第二個是人第三個是偏鄉大概是這幾個課題還需要持續當然中間每一項都會涉及到財源的配置謝謝\n才化法跟裁員的配置這我都可以尊重我們後續滾動是修正嘛但是就像我說的先行做溝通可是3月20到現在你下禮拜才要溝通是嗎\n中間持續有只有剛剛講的三個議題溝通那因為當時4月14號答應委員之後受財化法的影響蠻深的但是我們也覺得不能再等可是財化法沒有很明確的話在溝通上地方政府也不知道我們要採取什麼樣的一個策略但是我們想有些還是可以先溝通譬如說我們先以50%為一個對象\n好先溝通我們滾動式調整那第二個偏遠地區學校教育發展條例那我想當初為了這個立法的目的是想要解決偏鄉環境交通不利解決失之不穩的問題那解決學生學習經費不足的問題但是立法至今超過7年各界對於成效\n有很多的反思討論還是日益的增加我想所以昨天才召開公聽會又聽取意見教育部也曾說要送版本進來但是到現在都沒有部長你在忙什麼\n我想跟委員報告他確實是地方在這個營養午餐法的這個設立他還有許多不一樣的一些意見所以偏鄉條例這裡邊我想我們確實是在希望能夠在跟地方因為營養午餐還是在提供地方的這些小學生嘛地方如果有許多的差距\n的一些意見因為地方各方面的一個條件事實上是不一樣以目前來講有的有的這個縣市他營養午餐是縣市裡面就前額免費那有的地方他是希望政府可以多更多的一些支持所以我們會希望有更多的一些建立共識不然\n在這裡邊法令下去的時候事實上地方大概也會有許多的一些不同的意見但過程讓我們知道一下你們在忙什麼要不然我們真的對於現在這樣子我們是非常非常的擔憂因為包含其實我也很清楚營養午餐裡面公辦的營養午餐它的廚房所有廚工所有營養我知道那個都需要後續的整合去協調所以民辦民營的這個部分就會希望有一些我想這個各個學校\n各個地方縣市政府真的樣態不太一樣我想委員也充分理解我們現在就希望能夠建立一個大家至少能夠有一定的共識這個法案提出來也許至少大家就能夠來支持大概做這樣一個補充那你有沒有什麼期程表什麼時候可以送進來\n昨天在開會的時候本部市長張廖次長有回應基本上有兩個因素我們還在一起整合評估第一個因素才化法我也知道第二個因素八月份我們會召開一個全國性的會議這兩個會議跟那個因素處理了之後會具體跟委員做說明\n部長那另外想跟你請問喔之前我有跟你就教校園目前依法禁用基改食品但台美關稅現在還在談面對國際貿易的壓力教育部如何堅守校園零基改這樣的底線喔與經濟部外交部是否有跨部會的協調機制這個部分\n您要不要表達一下基改食品會不會進到校園我們目前的態度還是一樣的對所有的這些我們以在地食材提供我們這些小學生有一個更好的一個更新鮮健康的一個食材我想那是我們到目前的一個立場都沒有改變我想八月份主改傳聞不斷\n部長 你也是被執政黨的立委點名要下台的人選之一我想部長有沒有信心要留任\n還是你覺得外界對你有些誤會要不要透過這個機會這個場合跟大家說明一下謝謝委員關心我的氣流但是我一直覺得政務官至少從我個人來講這個進退要優雅要雍容就像我剛才也有主席提我說也許說明委員希望我留下來但是我想很多的因素那不是我能夠假設性的問題我想我在這邊我就不方便回答部長這樣子八個字\n盡力而為 問心無愧啦那其他的政策執行面我不談喔但是我要跟你還是算是要鼓勵啦因為光是部長願意一同來支持夜光天使延伸事辦在台中\n由台中先行來示範我就要給部長肯定那肯定部長願意給弱勢的學童能夠有一個翻身的機會多一些資源陪伴你沒有放棄這些弱勢的學童我想在這裡我還是要給你加油好嗎\n但是另外我要跟你請教的一個問題我們教師能力到底是階段性的短缺還是結構性的崩壞照不到老師已經不是偶發的現象是現在逐漸成為常態過去我們就多認為缺老師\n有可能是因為偏鄉或冷門的科目但是現在就連過去認為相對穩定的學科跟地區也都出現缺額補不滿報道率偏低部長教育部似乎是已經全面的掌握各個學校教師在職人力的實際缺額狀況有沒有建立一套依據學段學科\n進行系統性的盤點人力資料的一個機制另外針對五年可預見的退休潮中央是不是已經有統籌規劃或者是有前瞻的佈局降低人力斷層的一個風險我想教育部在這幾年提出的值錢增益增量\n培育擴大公費施培多元聘用方向我們都支持可是目前我是覺得這個方向沒有問題但是效果沒有到位啊到底我們現在的狀況是怎麼樣有沒有去做滾動式檢討根據\n親子天下報導2022到2024全台教師增開缺超過1.5萬人占全體教師的10%卻有高達57.5的檢定合格人員不進入教職現在的情況是拿了證照卻不想當老師這樣的人越來越多那些師培生以及教職指教師\n給我們的建議來看教育現場最大的痛點還是行政業務太多這我也有跟你講過\n光老師他要處理的事情多如流氓我們要怎麼幫他增加終點費增加他的相關的權益教學的時間被壓縮升遷制度僵化長期職涯缺乏吸引力待遇有待提升整體就是不具吸引力部長我講了這麼多你到底有沒有針對這些問題去做全國性的調查\n現在這三年來各縣市的教師正式只要他開出正式的缺以今年為例不管高中、國中、國小都超過入許率都超過90%以上也就是說我們事實上看到不足而只有少數大概以國中大概6%多\n國小大概8%多那高中大概這個8點多%不到9%這裡邊反映了一個現象就是說各縣市他只要開出正式的名額大部分都招到了他們所需要的老師所以我們事實上有差距我也不敢否認就是說我們確實有少數的學校偏鄉的可能譬如說去年來講有某一個縣市\n他希望招了十幾位的英文的老師報名有四十幾位可是經過教授們的這些這個所謂的委員的審查錄取是從缺\n所以我當時也問了這個地方的教育局處長說那你這樣既然你缺了那麼多然後老師教授們都認為他不夠Qualify那這時候你的代理英文還是要有人上那這時候怎麼辦他說那我們還是從這裡邊的\n來找代理老師這我要講的嘛所以我說數據上我們兩個有差距但是你不能否認還是有一些問題是那現在我就要講的學校正式的編制能力長期不足嘛仰賴的代理教師年年支撐課務嘛根據教師們的反應如今在學校教書的喔越來越困難也因此不少新進教師在報導不久後選擇離職啊這你有掌握嗎\n我想有一些這個年輕人有更好的一個工作機會當然變動我們當然希望他不要有比教師更好的工作機會留財 惜財 愛財我們怎麼樣培育我們未來的主人翁我們一直在朝那個方向努力代理教師每年更換現在教學與行政工作\n非常難以穩定的銜接這也是現在偏鄉地區更為嚴重師資缺額常常一缺再缺就是好幾個學期學校只能勉強靠遠距教學或者是跨校兼課來支撐這樣子最大的受害者是誰是孩子啊所以部長我剛剛提到這些問題教育部是不是有整體性的掌握\n公文報告我們事實上這個從國教署第一線現場各地方的一些這個待遇老師其實你應該都知道啦我知道你知道啦但是問題是你知道但是不知道怎麼解決這就是問題我們沒有不知道怎麼解決但是解決是確實需要一些時間譬如說我們看到的小學老師偏鄉老師\n你今天一個師培進來大學四年再加上教育學分要五年甚至六年才會有後端的這些合格老師他參加國家考試包括地方還有開學我們這裡邊也希望課程裡邊去做一些怎麼樣的改善\n讓學生能夠他的教育學分能夠在畢業學分數裡面他就可以預修而且能夠成為一個他的同時能夠大學畢業的一個學分的一個承認我們事實上做了許多的改變包含偏鄉\n一些代理代課的老師他怎麼樣讓他能夠有教育學分因為偏鄉他不可能白天出來上課當然我們就開始結合但是時間有限啦我們現在focus在這個行政減量了行政減量講了十幾年了啦感謝委員提醒其實蔡英文前總統\n潘文忠前部長歷任國教署長到縣市政府首長都公開表態要支持行政減量但是基層老師反映行政工作不減反增全教總2023年調查超過六成老師認為行政負擔沉重而且教學時間被大幅壓縮最後還是我們的孩子受害\n所以到底有沒有什麼辦法能夠再更有效的把這個行政減量我知道你有改進公委員報告如果以現在的我們所謂的許多的考核跟評鑑的那個項目大概至少都減少一半到三分之二\n所以到底是你的感受跟老師的感受不一樣也跟委員報告當教育部在減量的時候事實上地方因為來自於家長更高的期待他們也在不知不覺又在增加嘛所以教育部在減量地方在增加來造成我們第一線上老師有許多的一些就我們來努力但是不能把所有的東西都\n加在教育部我們真的有在努力我想可以讓署長來直接講許多的評鑑我剛剛才給你肯定啦你後面的國教署長有在做事我知道啦你有沒有減量有可是我現在要講的是說就像你說的嘛家長的期待地方縣市首長的期待可能增加一些行政的你們要去幫忙協助溝通去做一個整體的控管我覺得這部分你也要保護老師啊\n因為保護老師才會保護學生啊包含校事會 我剛才也有幾位委員在關心我們也在檢討好啦 我最後30秒問一個問題啦教育部 對不起 運動部啦我們要成立了啦 9月9號要掛牌到底可不可以運動部設置在台中你們現在還沒講啊可不可以\n台中南來北往多麼方便高雄這些民意代表他們也可能要到台北很遠台中不是很好嗎報告委員我想很多縣市都對我們運動部的位置會蠻多的期待不過光是您看就我現在體育署我自己本身每天跑立法院跟行政院我的同仁每天這樣跑說實在所以你是覺得在立法院旁邊最好就對了事實上越近越好真的是這樣子\n同仁其實每天都要跑我上次跆拳道的時候發生世大運的事情我支持你當部長喔包委員我們沒有被徵詢謝謝謝謝委員可不可以台中多考慮一下包委員這部分我們目前應該會在台北行政院到底有沒有在台北喔但是我們會在未來還要再重新再行政院核定了沒啦行政院核定了沒\n呃目前是應該應該是核定了應該應該是在哪裡在目前在我們本本屬的體育大樓本部在這邊然後那個體育署直接轉體育部然後我們的全民運輸以及產業科技師都會在六張梨站旁邊的一個冠德和平大樓哦你說冠德培大樓對啊你的\n體育署的運動部本身會在現在體育署所在地體育大樓哦好那未來會再尋找一塊地來重新來蓋一個整合的一個運動部但是應該很多年之後了好好好有有消息就好了啦那沒關係我們持續在爭取其他的在台中啊好謝謝謝謝羅廷偉委員的質詢官員請回座接下來有請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.874 --> 00:12.837\n好謝謝召委有請部長體育署署長好請部長請署長被質詢謝謝\n\n00:17.452 --> 00:39.058\n部長好我想台師大這個風暴擴大那也有新聞在不斷的爆料出來有很多的一些像跆拳道的校友也自曝自己抽血過我想很多的這些相關的關鍵我們都非常關切所以今天所有的委員都非常關心此類案件到底後續的一個追蹤\n\n00:39.958 --> 00:51.111\n但是也有幾個問題想另外就教請問一下我想體育是要很多的地方需要我們再來幫忙協助的先請問一下台灣雙職籃合併現在確定破局\n\n00:55.017 --> 01:12.679\n署長有掌握嗎是的那我想講的是說你們後續有沒有後續的追蹤包委員其實我跟兩邊的負責的人都有一些都有見面又有在了解他們的狀況不過兩個聯盟說實在他們的差距會很大嗎\n\n01:13.919 --> 01:28.815\n不小在經營的理念上面差距不小但我認為是這樣子還是要多收集一些相關的資料那你也應該要多跟產業人士多溝通我想我們也有很多的大前輩在籃球界\n\n01:29.195 --> 01:51.878\n是不是有辦法繼續的去磨合那我要分享的是說網路有一些相關的文字我們也可以去做查詢他們有分享到日本整合成功的一個關鍵因素政府跟FIBA介入行程改革的壓力那FIBA他們現在是當時是直接對於日本藍鞋實施禁賽的處分\n\n01:52.739 --> 02:18.134\n迫使JBA必須要放棄舊有的模式接受改革那我相信當時政府他們也一定會給予相關的資源讓診病不僅是體育的一個問題更上升到國家還有他們國家是怎麼樣的一個期待我想未來體育部要出來我們這個部分能不能合併攔血那這個對不起不是攔血直攔\n\n02:19.658 --> 02:40.416\n這個是很多的球迷期待的我希望說你們要有更大的魄力如果過程會痛但是結果是甜美的我想你應該要繼續努力署長你覺得呢包委員那你剛剛說的沒有錯FIBA的部分的確針對每個地區每個國家的籃球職業聯盟都有一些他的一些做法規範\n\n02:41.192 --> 03:03.326\n那這部分我要跟藍協再來研究看看可以怎麼樣來協助這兩個人對嘛去研究一下然後甚至是就教於這個前面的一些狀況是不是有一些例子可循啊或者是能夠找一些外部資源幫忙協助這部分我希望你能夠再更加的積極那部長我想再請教幾個問題營養午餐法什麼時候可以送立法院審查\n\n03:05.300 --> 03:23.979\n3月20日說要持續跟地方政府溝通目前的狀況如何最棘手最分歧的有哪些跟委員說明一下委員的關心我們持續進行在下一週我們會找幾個縣市先行諮詢但是之前跟委員講\n\n03:27.099 --> 03:54.079\n下一周之前跟委員報告的是有幾個議題它因為受財化法的影響比較深財化法的方向現在還沒有很明確所以我們先用諮詢不要耽誤時間所以確定的時候全縣市召開決策的會議所以現在先啟動諮詢第二點剛剛委員問到項目第一個是收費第二個是人第三個是偏鄉大概是這幾個課題還需要持續當然中間每一項都會涉及到財源的配置謝謝\n\n03:55.100 --> 04:04.149\n才化法跟裁員的配置這我都可以尊重我們後續滾動是修正嘛但是就像我說的先行做溝通可是3月20到現在你下禮拜才要溝通是嗎\n\n04:06.929 --> 04:26.035\n中間持續有只有剛剛講的三個議題溝通那因為當時4月14號答應委員之後受財化法的影響蠻深的但是我們也覺得不能再等可是財化法沒有很明確的話在溝通上地方政府也不知道我們要採取什麼樣的一個策略但是我們想有些還是可以先溝通譬如說我們先以50%為一個對象\n\n04:27.836 --> 04:47.731\n好先溝通我們滾動式調整那第二個偏遠地區學校教育發展條例那我想當初為了這個立法的目的是想要解決偏鄉環境交通不利解決失之不穩的問題那解決學生學習經費不足的問題但是立法至今超過7年各界對於成效\n\n04:48.892 --> 05:01.483\n有很多的反思討論還是日益的增加我想所以昨天才召開公聽會又聽取意見教育部也曾說要送版本進來但是到現在都沒有部長你在忙什麼\n\n05:03.049 --> 05:26.234\n我想跟委員報告他確實是地方在這個營養午餐法的這個設立他還有許多不一樣的一些意見所以偏鄉條例這裡邊我想我們確實是在希望能夠在跟地方因為營養午餐還是在提供地方的這些小學生嘛地方如果有許多的差距\n\n05:26.894 --> 05:46.889\n的一些意見因為地方各方面的一個條件事實上是不一樣以目前來講有的有的這個縣市他營養午餐是縣市裡面就前額免費那有的地方他是希望政府可以多更多的一些支持所以我們會希望有更多的一些建立共識不然\n\n05:47.489 --> 06:16.272\n在這裡邊法令下去的時候事實上地方大概也會有許多的一些不同的意見但過程讓我們知道一下你們在忙什麼要不然我們真的對於現在這樣子我們是非常非常的擔憂因為包含其實我也很清楚營養午餐裡面公辦的營養午餐它的廚房所有廚工所有營養我知道那個都需要後續的整合去協調所以民辦民營的這個部分就會希望有一些我想這個各個學校\n\n06:17.092 --> 06:36.257\n各個地方縣市政府真的樣態不太一樣我想委員也充分理解我們現在就希望能夠建立一個大家至少能夠有一定的共識這個法案提出來也許至少大家就能夠來支持大概做這樣一個補充那你有沒有什麼期程表什麼時候可以送進來\n\n06:38.405 --> 06:54.977\n昨天在開會的時候本部市長張廖次長有回應基本上有兩個因素我們還在一起整合評估第一個因素才化法我也知道第二個因素八月份我們會召開一個全國性的會議這兩個會議跟那個因素處理了之後會具體跟委員做說明\n\n06:56.377 --> 07:14.817\n部長那另外想跟你請問喔之前我有跟你就教校園目前依法禁用基改食品但台美關稅現在還在談面對國際貿易的壓力教育部如何堅守校園零基改這樣的底線喔與經濟部外交部是否有跨部會的協調機制這個部分\n\n07:16.004 --> 07:39.711\n您要不要表達一下基改食品會不會進到校園我們目前的態度還是一樣的對所有的這些我們以在地食材提供我們這些小學生有一個更好的一個更新鮮健康的一個食材我想那是我們到目前的一個立場都沒有改變我想八月份主改傳聞不斷\n\n07:41.351 --> 07:47.847\n部長你也是被執政黨的立委點名要下台的人選之一我想部長有沒有信心要留任\n\n07:49.637 --> 08:17.602\n還是你覺得外界對你有些誤會要不要透過這個機會這個場合跟大家說明一下謝謝委員關心我的氣流但是我一直覺得政務官至少從我個人來講這個進退要優雅要雍容就像我剛才也有主席提我說也許說明委員希望我留下來但是我想很多的因素那不是我能夠假設性的問題我想我在這邊我就不方便回答部長這樣子八個字\n\n08:19.031 --> 08:34.285\n盡力而為問心無愧啦那其他的政策執行面我不談喔但是我要跟你還是算是要鼓勵啦因為光是部長願意一同來支持夜光天使延伸事辦在台中\n\n08:35.649 --> 08:51.123\n由台中先行來示範我就要給部長肯定那肯定部長願意給弱勢的學童能夠有一個翻身的機會多一些資源陪伴你沒有放棄這些弱勢的學童我想在這裡我還是要給你加油好嗎\n\n08:53.952 --> 09:09.833\n但是另外我要跟你請教的一個問題我們教師能力到底是階段性的短缺還是結構性的崩壞照不到老師已經不是偶發的現象是現在逐漸成為常態過去我們就多認為缺老師\n\n09:11.255 --> 09:33.311\n有可能是因為偏鄉或冷門的科目但是現在就連過去認為相對穩定的學科跟地區也都出現缺額補不滿報道率偏低部長教育部似乎是已經全面的掌握各個學校教師在職人力的實際缺額狀況有沒有建立一套依據學段學科\n\n09:34.231 --> 09:55.679\n進行系統性的盤點人力資料的一個機制另外針對五年可預見的退休潮中央是不是已經有統籌規劃或者是有前瞻的佈局降低人力斷層的一個風險我想教育部在這幾年提出的值錢增益增量\n\n09:56.581 --> 10:12.476\n培育擴大公費施培多元聘用方向我們都支持可是目前我是覺得這個方向沒有問題但是效果沒有到位啊到底我們現在的狀況是怎麼樣有沒有去做滾動式檢討根據\n\n10:15.579 --> 10:38.171\n親子天下報導2022到2024全台教師增開缺超過1.5萬人占全體教師的10%卻有高達57.5的檢定合格人員不進入教職現在的情況是拿了證照卻不想當老師這樣的人越來越多那些師培生以及教職指教師\n\n10:39.927 --> 10:45.503\n給我們的建議來看教育現場最大的痛點還是行政業務太多這我也有跟你講過\n\n10:47.677 --> 11:09.908\n光老師他要處理的事情多如流氓我們要怎麼幫他增加終點費增加他的相關的權益教學的時間被壓縮升遷制度僵化長期職涯缺乏吸引力待遇有待提升整體就是不具吸引力部長我講了這麼多你到底有沒有針對這些問題去做全國性的調查\n\n11:11.793 --> 11:31.085\n現在這三年來各縣市的教師正式只要他開出正式的缺以今年為例不管高中、國中、國小都超過入許率都超過90%以上也就是說我們事實上看到不足而只有少數大概以國中大概6%多\n\n11:33.030 --> 12:00.135\n國小大概8%多那高中大概這個8點多%不到9%這裡邊反映了一個現象就是說各縣市他只要開出正式的名額大部分都招到了他們所需要的老師所以我們事實上有差距我也不敢否認就是說我們確實有少數的學校偏鄉的可能譬如說去年來講有某一個縣市\n\n12:01.135 --> 12:15.913\n他希望招了十幾位的英文的老師報名有四十幾位可是經過教授們的這些這個所謂的委員的審查錄取是從缺\n\n12:17.543 --> 12:34.598\n所以我當時也問了這個地方的教育局處長說那你這樣既然你缺了那麼多然後老師教授們都認為他不夠Qualify那這時候你的代理英文還是要有人上那這時候怎麼辦他說那我們還是從這裡邊的\n\n12:37.646 --> 13:01.280\n來找代理老師這我要講的嘛所以我說數據上我們兩個有差距但是你不能否認還是有一些問題是那現在我就要講的學校正式的編制能力長期不足嘛仰賴的代理教師年年支撐課務嘛根據教師們的反應如今在學校教書的喔越來越困難也因此不少新進教師在報導不久後選擇離職啊這你有掌握嗎\n\n13:02.521 --> 13:26.177\n我想有一些這個年輕人有更好的一個工作機會當然變動我們當然希望他不要有比教師更好的工作機會留財惜財愛財我們怎麼樣培育我們未來的主人翁我們一直在朝那個方向努力代理教師每年更換現在教學與行政工作\n\n13:27.455 --> 13:47.600\n非常難以穩定的銜接這也是現在偏鄉地區更為嚴重師資缺額常常一缺再缺就是好幾個學期學校只能勉強靠遠距教學或者是跨校兼課來支撐這樣子最大的受害者是誰是孩子啊所以部長我剛剛提到這些問題教育部是不是有整體性的掌握\n\n13:49.397 --> 14:11.564\n公文報告我們事實上這個從國教署第一線現場各地方的一些這個待遇老師其實你應該都知道啦我知道你知道啦但是問題是你知道但是不知道怎麼解決這就是問題我們沒有不知道怎麼解決但是解決是確實需要一些時間譬如說我們看到的小學老師偏鄉老師\n\n14:12.904 --> 14:29.733\n你今天一個師培進來大學四年再加上教育學分要五年甚至六年才會有後端的這些合格老師他參加國家考試包括地方還有開學我們這裡邊也希望課程裡邊去做一些怎麼樣的改善\n\n14:30.233 --> 14:46.508\n讓學生能夠他的教育學分能夠在畢業學分數裡面他就可以預修而且能夠成為一個他的同時能夠大學畢業的一個學分的一個承認我們事實上做了許多的改變包含偏鄉\n\n14:47.509 --> 15:05.557\n一些代理代課的老師他怎麼樣讓他能夠有教育學分因為偏鄉他不可能白天出來上課當然我們就開始結合但是時間有限啦我們現在focus在這個行政減量了行政減量講了十幾年了啦感謝委員提醒其實蔡英文前總統\n\n15:06.417 --> 15:24.647\n潘文忠前部長歷任國教署長到縣市政府首長都公開表態要支持行政減量但是基層老師反映行政工作不減反增全教總2023年調查超過六成老師認為行政負擔沉重而且教學時間被大幅壓縮最後還是我們的孩子受害\n\n15:25.507 --> 15:40.252\n所以到底有沒有什麼辦法能夠再更有效的把這個行政減量我知道你有改進公委員報告如果以現在的我們所謂的許多的考核跟評鑑的那個項目大概至少都減少一半到三分之二\n\n15:41.172 --> 16:01.101\n所以到底是你的感受跟老師的感受不一樣也跟委員報告當教育部在減量的時候事實上地方因為來自於家長更高的期待他們也在不知不覺又在增加嘛所以教育部在減量地方在增加來造成我們第一線上老師有許多的一些就我們來努力但是不能把所有的東西都\n\n16:06.664 --> 16:34.534\n加在教育部我們真的有在努力我想可以讓署長來直接講許多的評鑑我剛剛才給你肯定啦你後面的國教署長有在做事我知道啦你有沒有減量有可是我現在要講的是說就像你說的嘛家長的期待地方縣市首長的期待可能增加一些行政的你們要去幫忙協助溝通去做一個整體的控管我覺得這部分你也要保護老師啊\n\n16:35.194 --> 16:53.325\n因為保護老師才會保護學生啊包含校事會我剛才也有幾位委員在關心我們也在檢討好啦我最後30秒問一個問題啦教育部對不起運動部啦我們要成立了啦9月9號要掛牌到底可不可以運動部設置在台中你們現在還沒講啊可不可以\n\n17:00.247 --> 17:26.750\n台中南來北往多麼方便高雄這些民意代表他們也可能要到台北很遠台中不是很好嗎報告委員我想很多縣市都對我們運動部的位置會蠻多的期待不過光是您看就我現在體育署我自己本身每天跑立法院跟行政院我的同仁每天這樣跑說實在所以你是覺得在立法院旁邊最好就對了事實上越近越好真的是這樣子\n\n17:27.551 --> 17:47.948\n同仁其實每天都要跑我上次跆拳道的時候發生世大運的事情我支持你當部長喔包委員我們沒有被徵詢謝謝謝謝委員可不可以台中多考慮一下包委員這部分我們目前應該會在台北行政院到底有沒有在台北喔但是我們會在未來還要再重新再行政院核定了沒啦行政院核定了沒\n\n17:49.789 --> 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他參加國家考試，包括地方還要有開缺，我們也希望從課程裡面去做一些改善，讓學生的教育學分能夠在畢業學分數裡面就可以預修，而且同時能夠獲得大學畢業抵免學分的承認，我們事實上做了許多的改變，包含偏鄉一些代理、代課的老師，怎麼樣讓他能夠有教育學分？因為偏鄉，他不可能白天出來上課，我們就開始結合線上的學習……"],["羅委員廷瑋：當然，但是時間有限，我們現在focus在行政減量，講十幾年了！"],["鄭部長英耀：關於行政減量，感謝委員提醒，其實我想……"],["羅委員廷瑋：蔡英文前總統、潘文忠前部長、歷任國教署長到縣市政府首長都公開表態要支持行政減量，但是基層老師反映行政工作不減反增，全教總2023年調查，超過六成老師認為行政負擔沉重，而且教學時間被大幅壓縮，最後還是我們的孩子受害。所以到底有沒有什麼辦法能夠更有效地把行政減量？我知道你有改進……"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，以現在我們許多的考核跟評鑑的項目，至少都減少了一半到三分之二，就是說這些指標……"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以你的感受跟老師的感受不一樣。"],["鄭部長英耀：也跟委員報告，當教育部在減量的時候，事實上地方因為來自於家長更高的期待，他們也在不知不覺再增加……"],["羅委員廷瑋：對，所以你不能說只有你減……"],["鄭部長英耀：教育部在減量，地方在增加，就造成第一線老師許多的……"],["羅委員廷瑋：整體的教學環境、整體的老師，該怎麼樣幫他大幅度的減少？這個我覺得教育部還要再多調查。"],["鄭部長英耀：這個我們來努力，但是不能把所有的東西都加在教育部身上，我們真的有在努力，我想可以讓署長來直接講，許多評鑑的項目……"],["羅委員廷瑋：我剛才有給你肯定，你後面的國教署長有在做事，我知道啦！你有沒有減量，有！可是我現在要講的是，就像你說的，家長的期待、地方縣市首長的期待，可能增加了一些行政的，你們要去幫忙、協助溝通，去做一個整體的控管。"],["鄭部長英耀：是，我們願意來努力，感謝委員提醒。"],["羅委員廷瑋：我覺得這部分你也要保護老師，因為保護老師才會保護學生。"],["鄭部長英耀：包含校事會議，剛才也有幾位委員在關心，我們也在檢討。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好啦！最後30秒我問一個問題，我們要成立運動部了，9月9日要掛牌，到底運動部可不可以設置在臺中？你們現在還沒講啊！可不可以？臺中南來北往多麼方便，高雄這些民意代表要到臺北也很遠，臺中不是很好嗎？"],["鄭署長世忠：報告委員，很多縣市都對運動部的位置會有滿多的期待，不過光是就我現在體育署每天跑立法院跟行政院，我的同仁每天這樣跑，說實在如果離開臺北地區……"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以你是覺得在立法院旁邊最好就對了？"],["鄭署長世忠：事實上離越近越好，真的是這樣子，我們的同仁其實每天都要跑。"],["羅委員廷瑋：上次世大運發生跆拳道事件的時候，我支持你當部長喔！"],["鄭署長世忠：報告委員，我沒有被徵詢，謝謝委員。"],["羅委員廷瑋：可不可以臺中多考慮一下？"],["鄭署長世忠：報告委員，這部分我們目前應該會在臺北。"],["羅委員廷瑋：在臺北喔？"],["鄭署長世忠：但是我們未來還會重新再找更大的……"],["羅委員廷瑋：行政院核定了沒？"],["鄭署長世忠：目前應該是核定了。"],["羅委員廷瑋：核定了？在哪裡？"],["鄭署長世忠：目前在本署的體育大樓，本部在這邊，然後……"],["羅委員廷瑋：所以就體育署直接轉體育部？"],["鄭署長世忠：然後我們的全民署以及產業及科技司都會在六張犁站旁邊的冠德和平大樓。"],["羅委員廷瑋：你說會在冠德和平大樓？"],["鄭署長世忠：對。"],["羅委員廷瑋：你的體育署的……"],["鄭署長世忠：運動部本身會在現在體育署所在地──體育大樓，未來會再尋找一塊地重新來蓋一個整合的運動部，但那應該是很多年之後了。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，有消息就好了，沒關係，我們再持續爭取其他的在臺中。"],["鄭署長世忠：謝謝委員。"],["羅委員廷瑋：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝羅廷瑋委員的質詢，官員請回座。","接下來有請廖先翔委員質詢，時間4分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":82,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-18","speakers":["葛如鈞","柯志恩","劉書彬","萬美玲","陳秀寳","張雅琳","林宜瑾","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","吳沛憶","郭昱晴","范雲","李坤城","黃捷","羅廷瑋","廖先翔","陳培瑜","葉元之","黃國昌","高金素梅","徐欣瑩"],"page_start":3,"meetingDate":["2025-08-07"],"gazette_id":"1147202","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147202_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第18次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請教育部部長列席就「全國中小學教師人力不足現況與具體因應對策」進行專題報告並備\n質詢；二、邀請教育部部長、國家科學及技術委員會、衛生福利部列席就「如何強化研究計畫之\n人體研究倫理把關機制，以保障人權，捍衛科研價值，並避免類似台師大女足抽血違反研究倫理\n之案件再次發生」進行專題報告，並備質詢；三、邀請教育部部長、行政院人事行政總處及行政\n院主計總處列席就「9月9日運動部成立籌備情形與後續推動規劃」進行專題報告並備質詢","agenda_id":"1147202_00002"}}}