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00:01:54,616\n這部分我們目前的確在規劃上面我們先短中長期那已經有一個出版出來我們可以提供給委辦那短期部分我們現在在做文物整個的盤點那中期的部分就是要去做一個像一些像我們現在台史博我這樣說好了啦當初喔在審運動部組織法的時候針對於有關國家體育博物館的部分你們有一些想法\n\n5\n00:01:55,902 --> 00:02:22,190\n然後說先不要成立啦未來以後我們會再研議嘛我們就持續的等嘛今天從你們今天交給教委委員會的書面報告當中就整個組織架構裡面我完全看不到到底是這個部裡面的哪一個署哪一個中心甚至是哪一個司要主責這樣子的事項我今天這件事情提出來正式的質詢只是希望記得\n\n6\n00:02:23,890 --> 00:02:44,805\n當初運動部組織法的時候在審議的過程當中因為你們委員做了一些讓步委員做讓步並不代表這些事情不用做當初承諾的事項要記在心裡面當初承諾的事項要記在心裡面要好好的去做我不希望以後再看到的狀況是今天針對運動部\n\n7\n00:02:48,007 --> 00:03:05,567\n我們成立了以後接下來各司的職長上面竟然在運動部組織法裡面有法定職長事項結果在這份書面報告裡面一個字啊都沒有提因為到時候如果要就責的話到底誰要負啊這個責任啊必須要清楚可以嗎好來\n\n8\n00:03:08,786 --> 00:03:29,875\n不要講空的啦現在誰要當部長還不是很清楚啦我只是現在藉由這個質詢的機會提醒你們啦不要講空的啦當初我們在審運動部組織法的時候有一些委員說要設國家級的運動技藝博物館事實上我從很多球員那邊所得到的澄清我是贊成的\n\n9\n00:03:30,717 --> 00:03:55,205\n我是贊成的但是當初因為你們反對嘛你們希望給你們一些空間嘛你們會好好的去做嘛所以我們就一直等嘛今天提這樣的質詢我再強調一次善意的提醒答應的事就要做到到時候沒有做到就要有人負責包括有關於法國他們一樣有國家體育博物館\n\n10\n00:03:58,134 --> 00:04:21,579\n很多學者也站出來講運動部缺的不是預算缺乏的是保存機制跟推動計畫你們現在這幾年基本上全部都是在搞什麼數位典藏然後每年大概編了從運發基金大概每年編兩千萬下去做這樣子的事情希望運動部正式成立以後這件事情要認真把它當做一件事來做可以嗎\n\n11\n00:04:22,566 --> 00:04:37,380\n幫委員會的會喔好來接下來請教育部部長跟國歌會副主委我之前啊我非常重視的一件事啊我們的高中生學習歷程\n\n12\n00:04:39,819 --> 00:05:08,674\n裡面內容虛偽不實結果被學校撤銷入局資格一個學生在學習的過程當中當然不可以造假基本正確的觀念從學生時代就要建立但是是不是要下這麼重的手社會上面有很多不同的聲音我相信部長也聽到了但這不是我今天要講的重點我今天要講的重點是我不知道我們國家的教育怎麼了\n\n13\n00:05:09,693 --> 00:05:29,896\n我也不知道我們國家的學術圈到底怎麼了我自己是從學界出來的在中央研究院裡面我們針對有關於學術的倫理也好學術的基本的要求也好事情應該是怎麼樣就是怎麼樣向來都是很清楚\n\n14\n00:05:31,092 --> 00:05:57,200\n但是我發現這個政府讓我們不知道怎麼教育我們的下一代一個高中生學習歷程不實被五個學校撤銷錄取資格結果一個大教授自己的學歷造假自己的學歷造假現在出任英國公使現在出任英國公使這在學界已經成為最諷刺\n\n15\n00:06:01,107 --> 00:06:25,781\n但絕對不好笑的笑話最諷刺但絕對不好笑的笑話當初這件事情有人檢舉的時候從教育部到科技部一路護航一路護航我之前有帶你們看過了2011年這件事情開始的時候還把它變更審議處理的原則\n\n16\n00:06:28,036 --> 00:06:46,252\n說不包括身份資料物證或其他類似的顯然錯誤我已經看不懂了你有沒有去念過法學院自己不知道沒有念過法學院寫畢業的我拿到的是法學院的博士學位這個叫顯然錯誤喔這個叫顯然造假這個叫顯然造假這叫顯然造假\n\n17\n00:06:51,909 --> 00:06:59,514\n我再說三次我在國會也這樣講我面對學界的朋友也這樣子講過去這段時間我們這個國家我們這個政府我們這些大人們怎麼樣對在學習當中的高中生砍到見骨砍到見骨但是呢\n\n18\n00:07:17,877 --> 00:07:38,653\n對於抱對大腿抱對民進黨大腿公然造假的學者卻是呵護被制啊呵護被制啊當他變更標準甚至出現了什麼狀況來繼續往下看當初科技部他的學文事件\n\n19\n00:07:39,844 --> 00:07:53,627\n法律專業學門一自覺要停權到你們學倫大會上面翻盤主導的就是民進黨的御用律師陳鵬光也是台堂的董事接了台電的這樣的標案拿了這麼多的標案\n\n20\n00:08:05,185 --> 00:08:20,237\n然後台電的董事也就是江雅琪的學輪案件她參與審議我上一次在這邊問這件事情的時候國歌會說整個情況不是很瞭解要回去做瞭解\n\n21\n00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:49,692\n這種事情不應該發生顯然意見的顯然意見的根本應該要迴避結果沒有迴避這還不是我說的這還不是我說的當初你們都跟我承諾要徹查結果呢我請你們徹查徹查回來教育部回給我的公文國科會回給我的公文全部公文編密件保密20年全部編密件保密20年我現在問題來了\n\n22\n00:08:51,209 --> 00:09:12,751\n我如果把你們回給我編為密件的公文我曾經作為中研院的研究員來自於學界我看了快要吐血的公文我把它公開我會不會違反洩密罪部長我會違反洩密罪嗎國科會的副主委我會違反洩密罪嗎\n\n23\n00:09:14,707 --> 00:09:35,737\n保密20年這為什麼要保密20年不敢讓社會公平不敢讓社會大眾知道不敢讓大家知道這個民進黨政府關關相護誇張到什麼程度連最基本的學術倫理要求直接叮爆垃圾桶啊台灣學術之恥啊台灣學術之恥啊政治人物啊你如果要關關相護社會觀感不佳\n\n24\n00:09:44,803 --> 00:10:09,039\n這種腐敗的風氣蔓延到學界啊這就是學術倫理標準的崩壞徹底的崩壞以後我們要怎麼樣告訴我們的學生啊最高學歷啊欽猜瞎瞎的沒關係啦教育部不會管啊國科會也不會管啊自己從什麼學院拿到博士學位的忘記了也沒有關係啊即使記得\n\n25\n00:10:10,732 --> 00:10:23,119\n閉上眼睛瞎寫也沒有關係啊因為民進黨政府所主導的教育部跟國科會已經向全台灣的學術界宣告這都沒關係啦是這樣嗎來請教部長\n\n26\n00:10:30,677 --> 00:10:54,939\n跟委員報告他之所以會列為密件是因為我們提供給委員的資料有涉及到一些什麼東西這一個他的一個教授的一些沒有啊我跟部長報告我看完了我看不到任何國家機密我看不到任何個人隱私我唯一看到的只有什麼叫做官官相護啊\n\n27\n00:10:58,130 --> 00:11:14,024\n跟委員報告,當事人這一個我們在110年的時候接到了科技部的一個調查請問我們查詢他的教師資格審查的時候他的這個案子確實有經過我們的相關的會議在討論說他登載的這樣的一個學位論文的疑義的案子我們確實有進行討論跟審議討論出來就沒有關係嘛,對不對?\n\n28\n00:11:25,194 --> 00:11:52,367\n沒有跟委員報告他當時在深等教授在北科大深等教授的時候因為審查意見就有指出來這樣的一個疑義所以他當時深等教授的資格是沒有通過的那後來經過我們開就是說110年4月27號開完會之後審議這樣的情形也提醒當事人以後要確實登載這樣子的一個為什麼要提醒當事人以後要登載正確\n\n29\n00:11:53,647 --> 00:12:21,878\n我現在登載不如正確又怎麼樣我現在登載不正確你們教育部說沒有關係啊國科會也說沒有關係啊大家都說沒有關係啊委員他在審查教師資格的時候有反映在他的教授身上對沒有錯你講得很好啊反映出來的結果就是我們的教育部加上國科會告訴整個台灣社會這根本不重要沒有關係\n\n30\n00:12:23,513 --> 00:12:48,204\n不是嗎報告委員他在北科大升等教授的時候是沒有通過的是因為確實裡頭意見有這樣子的一個呈現那後來他的教師資格的履歷表經過就是說我們現在掌握到的他後來有如實的登載所以在海洋所以是知過能改就好了嘛對不對報告委員因為他已經確實反映在他的教師資格審定的部分來請國科會你們給我的密件說\n\n31\n00:12:53,391 --> 00:13:15,910\n那個大會民進黨的那個御用律師去幫他主導法律學門、專業學門說違反學術倫理去學倫大會一手幫他主導方案的這個沒有違反利益迴避相關的規範那就很奇怪賴清德提名的大法官這是賴清德提名的\n\n32\n00:13:16,943 --> 00:13:38,717\n不是別人提名的賴清德提名的大法官詹正榮在同意權行使的審查會上就擺明的很清楚第一個他們當初根本不知道這件事當初根本不知道這件事代表什麼意思代表的是連自我揭露都沒做到連基本的自我揭露都沒有做到進一步請教他他說這當然應該要迴避\n\n33\n00:13:40,957 --> 00:14:07,905\n這當然應該要迴避啊但是你們國科會很厲害你們回給我的密件當中說這個不用迴避沒有關係啊所以現在這個是國科會告訴全台灣所有的學者這是OK的嗎?這是國科會的標準嗎?報告委員這個案子我們依照程序進行學乳檢定會的是是是是你們非常會搞程序啦這個體制啊被你們玩得如火純青啊\n\n34\n00:14:10,046 --> 00:14:31,767\n你們很會玩體制很會玩程序啊程序考完最後產出的結果叫做謝謝指教茶無不法這就是我痛心的地方啊為了一個人台灣的學術界基本的倫理要求全部丟到垃圾桶裡面去\n\n35\n00:14:34,057 --> 00:14:59,923\n賴清德政府要包庇這樣的一個人送到英國當公使我老實說啦丟的是全台灣的臉賴清德拉不下這個臉面硬要派他去當駐英國的公使丟的是全台灣人的臉但是我本來期待學術人還有一點最起碼的學術良心教授還有最起碼的一點學者的良知\n\n36\n00:15:01,366 --> 00:15:24,953\n結果搞到今天啦教育部也好國科會也好報告委員我們有跑程序程序出來一切合法謝謝指教具體的內容列為密件保密20年委員你不要公開你一公開可能就觸犯了中華民國刑法洩漏國防以外的機密罪我們的政府是在玩這種遊戲\n\n37\n00:15:31,766 --> 00:16:00,277\n我們的政府是在玩這種遊戲我已經不期待現在的教育部我也不期待現在的國科會能夠進一步去做什麼自我糾正的事情我只要留下歷史的記錄在中華民國的學術史上留下歷史的記錄在中華民國的教育史上留下歷史的記錄未來的學子就拿姜雅琪當作例子嘛有什麼關係\n\n38\n00:16:02,571 --> 00:16:26,793\n我沒有拿到學院的法學博士又如何我照寫前例在前面了這沒關係啦我找我自己擔任董事公司收我公司錢的律師來參與我的學倫大會幫我方案也沒有關係因為我們的國科會已經宣布標準了這種情況完全不需要迴避\n\n39\n00:16:28,897 --> 00:16:38,883\n連一開始在審查的過程當中連自我揭露都沒有做到也沒有關係我第一次質詢的時候我已經質疑了\n\n40\n00:16:40,721 --> 00:17:00,256\n學倫的這種事情高度的學術專業倫理找一個律師來當學倫大會的評選委員我對你們當初的科技部是怎麼挑選的我已經下巴都快要掉下來我已經下巴都快要掉下來而且還是去找了一個收錢的律師這是什麼標準\n\n41\n00:17:01,892 --> 00:17:12,960\n然後呢自我沒有揭露呼嚕呼嚕出了這種整個學術界大家沒辦法接受的結論到今天繼續關關相護丟臉丟臉非常的丟臉非常非常的丟臉\n\n42\n00:17:25,390 --> 00:17:32,233\n今天在中華民國的教育史上在中華民國的學術史上寫下這恥辱的一頁歷史會記得謝謝黃國昌委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1587\t29270\t接下來有請黃國昌委員質詢謝謝主席 本來有請教育部部長過客會副主委有請部長副主委備質詢 謝謝委員好兩位好 運動部9月9號要掛牌當初我們在實驗組織法的之後\n30519\t58719\t運動部組織法第二條本部長理下列事項其中有一個是運動文化之一的收集保存在線展示及推廣這個是運動部在組織法裡面的法定職場事項今天拜讀的教育部所送來的關於運動部成立籌備的情況以及後續的推畫裡面有一部一屬三中心部裡面有六個師請問有關於運動文化之一的收集保存在線展示及推廣是哪一個部門的選擇\n60581\t80897\t保護委員未來應該會是在產業與科技室在哪裡產業及科技室產業及科技室來把你們今天的書面報告拿出來看到第二頁產業及科技室你們今天在產業及科技室裡面執掌的事項半個字都沒有提啊\n87418\t114616\t這部分我們目前的確在規劃上面我們先短中長期那已經有一個出版出來我們可以提供給委辦那短期部分我們現在在做文物整個的盤點那中期的部分就是要去做一個像一些像我們現在台史博我這樣說好了啦當初喔在審運動部組織法的時候針對於有關國家體育博物館的部分你們有一些想法\n115902\t142190\t然後說先不要成立啦未來以後我們會再研議嘛我們就持續的等嘛今天從你們今天交給教委委員會的書面報告當中就整個組織架構裡面我完全看不到到底是這個部裡面的哪一個署哪一個中心甚至是哪一個司要主責這樣子的事項我今天這件事情提出來正式的質詢只是希望記得\n143890\t164805\t當初運動部組織法的時候在審議的過程當中因為你們委員做了一些讓步委員做讓步並不代表這些事情不用做當初承諾的事項要記在心裡面當初承諾的事項要記在心裡面要好好的去做我不希望以後再看到的狀況是今天針對運動部\n168007\t185567\t我們成立了以後接下來各司的職長上面竟然在運動部組織法裡面有法定職長事項結果在這份書面報告裡面一個字啊都沒有提因為到時候如果要就責的話到底誰要負啊這個責任啊必須要清楚可以嗎好來\n188786\t209875\t不要講空的啦現在誰要當部長還不是很清楚啦我只是現在藉由這個質詢的機會提醒你們啦不要講空的啦當初我們在審運動部組織法的時候有一些委員說要設國家級的運動技藝博物館事實上我從很多球員那邊所得到的澄清我是贊成的\n210717\t235205\t我是贊成的但是當初因為你們反對嘛你們希望給你們一些空間嘛你們會好好的去做嘛所以我們就一直等嘛今天提這樣的質詢我再強調一次善意的提醒答應的事就要做到到時候沒有做到就要有人負責包括有關於法國他們一樣有國家體育博物館\n238134\t261579\t很多學者也站出來講運動部缺的不是預算缺乏的是保存機制跟推動計畫你們現在這幾年基本上全部都是在搞什麼數位典藏然後每年大概編了從運發基金大概每年編兩千萬下去做這樣子的事情希望運動部正式成立以後這件事情要認真把它當做一件事來做可以嗎\n262566\t277380\t幫委員會的會喔 好來 接下來請教育部部長跟國歌會副主委我之前啊 我非常重視的一件事啊我們的高中生學習歷程\n279819\t308674\t裡面內容虛偽不實結果被學校撤銷入局資格一個學生在學習的過程當中當然不可以造假基本正確的觀念從學生時代就要建立但是是不是要下這麼重的手社會上面有很多不同的聲音我相信部長也聽到了但這不是我今天要講的重點我今天要講的重點是我不知道我們國家的教育怎麼了\n309693\t329896\t我也不知道我們國家的學術圈到底怎麼了我自己是從學界出來的在中央研究院裡面我們針對有關於學術的倫理也好學術的基本的要求也好事情應該是怎麼樣就是怎麼樣向來都是很清楚\n331092\t357200\t但是我發現這個政府讓我們不知道怎麼教育我們的下一代一個高中生學習歷程不實被五個學校撤銷錄取資格結果一個大教授自己的學歷造假自己的學歷造假現在出任英國公使現在出任英國公使這在學界已經成為最諷刺\n361107\t385781\t但絕對不好笑的笑話最諷刺但絕對不好笑的笑話當初這件事情有人檢舉的時候從教育部到科技部一路護航一路護航我之前有帶你們看過了2011年這件事情開始的時候還把它變更審議處理的原則\n388036\t406252\t說不包括身份資料物證或其他類似的顯然錯誤我已經看不懂了你有沒有去念過法學院自己不知道沒有念過法學院寫畢業的我拿到的是法學院的博士學位這個叫顯然錯誤喔這個叫顯然造假這個叫顯然造假這叫顯然造假\n411909\t419514\t我再說三次我在國會也這樣講我面對學界的朋友也這樣子講過去這段時間我們這個國家我們這個政府我們這些大人們怎麼樣對在學習當中的高中生砍到見骨砍到見骨但是呢\n437877\t458653\t對於抱對大腿抱對民進黨大腿公然造假的學者卻是呵護被制啊呵護被制啊當他變更標準甚至出現了什麼狀況來繼續往下看當初科技部他的學文事件\n459844\t473627\t法律專業學門一自覺要停權到你們學倫大會上面翻盤主導的就是民進黨的御用律師陳鵬光也是台堂的董事接了台電的這樣的標案拿了這麼多的標案\n485185\t500237\t然後台電的董事 也就是江雅琪的學輪案件她參與審議我上一次在這邊問這件事情的時候國歌會說整個情況不是很瞭解要回去做瞭解\n501720\t529692\t這種事情不應該發生顯然意見的 顯然意見的根本應該要迴避 結果沒有迴避這還不是我說的這還不是我說的當初你們都跟我承諾要徹查結果呢 我請你們徹查 徹查回來教育部回給我的公文國科會回給我的公文 全部公文編密件保密20年全部編密件 保密20年我現在問題來了\n531209\t552751\t我如果把你們回給我編為密件的公文我曾經作為中研院的研究員來自於學界我看了快要吐血的公文我把它公開我會不會違反洩密罪部長我會違反洩密罪嗎國科會的副主委我會違反洩密罪嗎\n554707\t575737\t保密20年 這為什麼要保密20年不敢讓社會公平不敢讓社會大眾知道不敢讓大家知道這個民進黨政府關關相護誇張到什麼程度連最基本的學術倫理要求直接叮爆垃圾桶啊台灣學術之恥啊台灣學術之恥啊政治人物啊 你如果要關關相護社會觀感不佳\n584803\t609039\t這種腐敗的風氣 蔓延到學界啊這就是學術倫理標準的崩壞 徹底的崩壞以後我們要怎麼樣告訴我們的學生啊最高學歷啊 欽猜瞎瞎的沒關係啦教育部不會管啊 國科會也不會管啊自己從什麼學院拿到博士學位的忘記了也沒有關係啊 即使記得\n610732\t623119\t閉上眼睛瞎寫也沒有關係啊因為民進黨政府所主導的教育部跟國科會已經向全台灣的學術界宣告這都沒關係啦是這樣嗎來 請教部長\n630677\t654939\t跟委員報告 他之所以會列為密件是因為我們提供給委員的資料有涉及到一些什麼東西這一個他的一個教授的一些沒有啊 我跟部長報告我看完了 我看不到任何國家機密我看不到任何個人隱私我唯一看到的只有什麼叫做官官相護啊\n658130\t674024\t跟委員報告,當事人這一個我們在110年的時候接到了科技部的一個調查請問我們查詢他的教師資格審查的時候他的這個案子確實有經過我們的相關的會議在討論說他登載的這樣的一個學位論文的疑義的案子我們確實有進行討論跟審議討論出來就沒有關係嘛,對不對?\n685194\t712367\t沒有 跟委員報告 他當時在深等教授在北科大深等教授的時候因為審查意見就有指出來這樣的一個疑義所以他當時深等教授的資格是沒有通過的那後來經過我們開 就是說110年4月27號開完會之後審議這樣的情形也提醒當事人以後要確實登載這樣子的一個為什麼要提醒當事人以後要登載正確\n713647\t741878\t我現在登載不如正確又怎麼樣我現在登載不正確你們教育部說沒有關係啊國科會也說沒有關係啊大家都說沒有關係啊委員他在審查教師資格的時候有反映在他的教授身上對沒有錯你講得很好啊反映出來的結果就是我們的教育部加上國科會告訴整個台灣社會這根本不重要沒有關係\n743513\t768204\t不是嗎報告委員他在北科大升等教授的時候是沒有通過的是因為確實裡頭意見有這樣子的一個呈現那後來他的教師資格的履歷表經過就是說我們現在掌握到的他後來有如實的登載所以在海洋所以是知過能改就好了嘛對不對報告委員因為他已經確實反映在他的教師資格審定的部分來 請國科會你們給我的密件說\n773391\t795910\t那個大會民進黨的那個御用律師去幫他主導法律學門、專業學門說違反學術倫理去學倫大會一手幫他主導方案的這個沒有違反利益迴避相關的規範那就很奇怪賴清德提名的大法官這是賴清德提名的\n796943\t818717\t不是別人提名的賴清德提名的大法官詹正榮在同意權行使的審查會上就擺明的很清楚第一個他們當初根本不知道這件事當初根本不知道這件事代表什麼意思代表的是連自我揭露都沒做到連基本的自我揭露都沒有做到進一步請教他他說這當然應該要迴避\n820957\t847905\t這當然應該要迴避啊但是你們國科會很厲害你們回給我的密件當中說這個不用迴避沒有關係啊所以現在這個是國科會告訴全台灣所有的學者這是OK的嗎?這是國科會的標準嗎?報告委員這個案子我們依照程序進行學乳檢定會的是是是是你們非常會搞程序啦這個體制啊被你們玩得如火純青啊\n850046\t871767\t你們很會玩體制很會玩程序啊程序考完最後產出的結果叫做謝謝指教茶無不法這就是我痛心的地方啊為了一個人台灣的學術界基本的倫理要求全部丟到垃圾桶裡面去\n874057\t899923\t賴清德政府要包庇這樣的一個人送到英國當公使我老實說啦丟的是全台灣的臉賴清德拉不下這個臉面硬要派他去當駐英國的公使丟的是全台灣人的臉但是我本來期待學術人還有一點最起碼的學術良心教授還有最起碼的一點學者的良知\n901366\t924953\t結果搞到今天啦 教育部也好 國科會也好報告委員 我們有跑程序程序出來一切合法 謝謝指教具體的內容列為密件 保密20年委員你不要公開 你一公開可能就觸犯了中華民國刑法洩漏國防以外的機密罪我們的政府是在玩這種遊戲\n931766\t960277\t我們的政府是在玩這種遊戲我已經不期待現在的教育部我也不期待現在的國科會能夠進一步去做什麼自我糾正的事情我只要留下歷史的記錄在中華民國的學術史上留下歷史的記錄在中華民國的教育史上留下歷史的記錄未來的學子就拿姜雅琪當作例子嘛有什麼關係\n962571\t986793\t我沒有拿到學院的法學博士又如何我照寫 前例在前面了這沒關係啦我找我自己擔任董事公司 收我公司錢的律師來參與我的學倫大會幫我方案 也沒有關係因為我們的國科會已經宣布標準了這種情況完全不需要迴避\n988897\t998883\t連一開始在審查的過程當中連自我揭露都沒有做到也沒有關係我第一次質詢的時候我已經質疑了\n1000721\t1020256\t學倫的這種事情高度的學術專業倫理找一個律師來當學倫大會的評選委員我對你們當初的科技部是怎麼挑選的我已經下巴都快要掉下來我已經下巴都快要掉下來而且還是去找了一個收錢的律師這是什麼標準\n1021892\t1032960\t然後呢自我沒有揭露呼嚕呼嚕出了這種整個學術界大家沒辦法接受的結論到今天繼續關關相護丟臉丟臉非常的丟臉非常非常的丟臉\n1045390\t1052233\t今天在中華民國的教育史上在中華民國的學術史上寫下這恥辱的一頁歷史會記得謝謝黃國昌委員質詢\n","txt":"接下來有請黃國昌委員質詢謝謝主席 本來有請教育部部長過客會副主委有請部長副主委備質詢 謝謝委員好兩位好 運動部9月9號要掛牌當初我們在實驗組織法的之後\n運動部組織法第二條本部長理下列事項其中有一個是運動文化之一的收集保存在線展示及推廣這個是運動部在組織法裡面的法定職場事項今天拜讀的教育部所送來的關於運動部成立籌備的情況以及後續的推畫裡面有一部一屬三中心部裡面有六個師請問有關於運動文化之一的收集保存在線展示及推廣是哪一個部門的選擇\n保護委員未來應該會是在產業與科技室在哪裡產業及科技室產業及科技室來把你們今天的書面報告拿出來看到第二頁產業及科技室你們今天在產業及科技室裡面執掌的事項半個字都沒有提啊\n這部分我們目前的確在規劃上面我們先短中長期那已經有一個出版出來我們可以提供給委辦那短期部分我們現在在做文物整個的盤點那中期的部分就是要去做一個像一些像我們現在台史博我這樣說好了啦當初喔在審運動部組織法的時候針對於有關國家體育博物館的部分你們有一些想法\n然後說先不要成立啦未來以後我們會再研議嘛我們就持續的等嘛今天從你們今天交給教委委員會的書面報告當中就整個組織架構裡面我完全看不到到底是這個部裡面的哪一個署哪一個中心甚至是哪一個司要主責這樣子的事項我今天這件事情提出來正式的質詢只是希望記得\n當初運動部組織法的時候在審議的過程當中因為你們委員做了一些讓步委員做讓步並不代表這些事情不用做當初承諾的事項要記在心裡面當初承諾的事項要記在心裡面要好好的去做我不希望以後再看到的狀況是今天針對運動部\n我們成立了以後接下來各司的職長上面竟然在運動部組織法裡面有法定職長事項結果在這份書面報告裡面一個字啊都沒有提因為到時候如果要就責的話到底誰要負啊這個責任啊必須要清楚可以嗎好來\n不要講空的啦現在誰要當部長還不是很清楚啦我只是現在藉由這個質詢的機會提醒你們啦不要講空的啦當初我們在審運動部組織法的時候有一些委員說要設國家級的運動技藝博物館事實上我從很多球員那邊所得到的澄清我是贊成的\n我是贊成的但是當初因為你們反對嘛你們希望給你們一些空間嘛你們會好好的去做嘛所以我們就一直等嘛今天提這樣的質詢我再強調一次善意的提醒答應的事就要做到到時候沒有做到就要有人負責包括有關於法國他們一樣有國家體育博物館\n很多學者也站出來講運動部缺的不是預算缺乏的是保存機制跟推動計畫你們現在這幾年基本上全部都是在搞什麼數位典藏然後每年大概編了從運發基金大概每年編兩千萬下去做這樣子的事情希望運動部正式成立以後這件事情要認真把它當做一件事來做可以嗎\n幫委員會的會喔 好來 接下來請教育部部長跟國歌會副主委我之前啊 我非常重視的一件事啊我們的高中生學習歷程\n裡面內容虛偽不實結果被學校撤銷入局資格一個學生在學習的過程當中當然不可以造假基本正確的觀念從學生時代就要建立但是是不是要下這麼重的手社會上面有很多不同的聲音我相信部長也聽到了但這不是我今天要講的重點我今天要講的重點是我不知道我們國家的教育怎麼了\n我也不知道我們國家的學術圈到底怎麼了我自己是從學界出來的在中央研究院裡面我們針對有關於學術的倫理也好學術的基本的要求也好事情應該是怎麼樣就是怎麼樣向來都是很清楚\n但是我發現這個政府讓我們不知道怎麼教育我們的下一代一個高中生學習歷程不實被五個學校撤銷錄取資格結果一個大教授自己的學歷造假自己的學歷造假現在出任英國公使現在出任英國公使這在學界已經成為最諷刺\n但絕對不好笑的笑話最諷刺但絕對不好笑的笑話當初這件事情有人檢舉的時候從教育部到科技部一路護航一路護航我之前有帶你們看過了2011年這件事情開始的時候還把它變更審議處理的原則\n說不包括身份資料物證或其他類似的顯然錯誤我已經看不懂了你有沒有去念過法學院自己不知道沒有念過法學院寫畢業的我拿到的是法學院的博士學位這個叫顯然錯誤喔這個叫顯然造假這個叫顯然造假這叫顯然造假\n我再說三次我在國會也這樣講我面對學界的朋友也這樣子講過去這段時間我們這個國家我們這個政府我們這些大人們怎麼樣對在學習當中的高中生砍到見骨砍到見骨但是呢\n對於抱對大腿抱對民進黨大腿公然造假的學者卻是呵護被制啊呵護被制啊當他變更標準甚至出現了什麼狀況來繼續往下看當初科技部他的學文事件\n法律專業學門一自覺要停權到你們學倫大會上面翻盤主導的就是民進黨的御用律師陳鵬光也是台堂的董事接了台電的這樣的標案拿了這麼多的標案\n然後台電的董事 也就是江雅琪的學輪案件她參與審議我上一次在這邊問這件事情的時候國歌會說整個情況不是很瞭解要回去做瞭解\n這種事情不應該發生顯然意見的 顯然意見的根本應該要迴避 結果沒有迴避這還不是我說的這還不是我說的當初你們都跟我承諾要徹查結果呢 我請你們徹查 徹查回來教育部回給我的公文國科會回給我的公文 全部公文編密件保密20年全部編密件 保密20年我現在問題來了\n我如果把你們回給我編為密件的公文我曾經作為中研院的研究員來自於學界我看了快要吐血的公文我把它公開我會不會違反洩密罪部長我會違反洩密罪嗎國科會的副主委我會違反洩密罪嗎\n保密20年 這為什麼要保密20年不敢讓社會公平不敢讓社會大眾知道不敢讓大家知道這個民進黨政府關關相護誇張到什麼程度連最基本的學術倫理要求直接叮爆垃圾桶啊台灣學術之恥啊台灣學術之恥啊政治人物啊 你如果要關關相護社會觀感不佳\n這種腐敗的風氣 蔓延到學界啊這就是學術倫理標準的崩壞 徹底的崩壞以後我們要怎麼樣告訴我們的學生啊最高學歷啊 欽猜瞎瞎的沒關係啦教育部不會管啊 國科會也不會管啊自己從什麼學院拿到博士學位的忘記了也沒有關係啊 即使記得\n閉上眼睛瞎寫也沒有關係啊因為民進黨政府所主導的教育部跟國科會已經向全台灣的學術界宣告這都沒關係啦是這樣嗎來 請教部長\n跟委員報告 他之所以會列為密件是因為我們提供給委員的資料有涉及到一些什麼東西這一個他的一個教授的一些沒有啊 我跟部長報告我看完了 我看不到任何國家機密我看不到任何個人隱私我唯一看到的只有什麼叫做官官相護啊\n跟委員報告,當事人這一個我們在110年的時候接到了科技部的一個調查請問我們查詢他的教師資格審查的時候他的這個案子確實有經過我們的相關的會議在討論說他登載的這樣的一個學位論文的疑義的案子我們確實有進行討論跟審議討論出來就沒有關係嘛,對不對?\n沒有 跟委員報告 他當時在深等教授在北科大深等教授的時候因為審查意見就有指出來這樣的一個疑義所以他當時深等教授的資格是沒有通過的那後來經過我們開 就是說110年4月27號開完會之後審議這樣的情形也提醒當事人以後要確實登載這樣子的一個為什麼要提醒當事人以後要登載正確\n我現在登載不如正確又怎麼樣我現在登載不正確你們教育部說沒有關係啊國科會也說沒有關係啊大家都說沒有關係啊委員他在審查教師資格的時候有反映在他的教授身上對沒有錯你講得很好啊反映出來的結果就是我們的教育部加上國科會告訴整個台灣社會這根本不重要沒有關係\n不是嗎報告委員他在北科大升等教授的時候是沒有通過的是因為確實裡頭意見有這樣子的一個呈現那後來他的教師資格的履歷表經過就是說我們現在掌握到的他後來有如實的登載所以在海洋所以是知過能改就好了嘛對不對報告委員因為他已經確實反映在他的教師資格審定的部分來 請國科會你們給我的密件說\n那個大會民進黨的那個御用律師去幫他主導法律學門、專業學門說違反學術倫理去學倫大會一手幫他主導方案的這個沒有違反利益迴避相關的規範那就很奇怪賴清德提名的大法官這是賴清德提名的\n不是別人提名的賴清德提名的大法官詹正榮在同意權行使的審查會上就擺明的很清楚第一個他們當初根本不知道這件事當初根本不知道這件事代表什麼意思代表的是連自我揭露都沒做到連基本的自我揭露都沒有做到進一步請教他他說這當然應該要迴避\n這當然應該要迴避啊但是你們國科會很厲害你們回給我的密件當中說這個不用迴避沒有關係啊所以現在這個是國科會告訴全台灣所有的學者這是OK的嗎?這是國科會的標準嗎?報告委員這個案子我們依照程序進行學乳檢定會的是是是是你們非常會搞程序啦這個體制啊被你們玩得如火純青啊\n你們很會玩體制很會玩程序啊程序考完最後產出的結果叫做謝謝指教茶無不法這就是我痛心的地方啊為了一個人台灣的學術界基本的倫理要求全部丟到垃圾桶裡面去\n賴清德政府要包庇這樣的一個人送到英國當公使我老實說啦丟的是全台灣的臉賴清德拉不下這個臉面硬要派他去當駐英國的公使丟的是全台灣人的臉但是我本來期待學術人還有一點最起碼的學術良心教授還有最起碼的一點學者的良知\n結果搞到今天啦 教育部也好 國科會也好報告委員 我們有跑程序程序出來一切合法 謝謝指教具體的內容列為密件 保密20年委員你不要公開 你一公開可能就觸犯了中華民國刑法洩漏國防以外的機密罪我們的政府是在玩這種遊戲\n我們的政府是在玩這種遊戲我已經不期待現在的教育部我也不期待現在的國科會能夠進一步去做什麼自我糾正的事情我只要留下歷史的記錄在中華民國的學術史上留下歷史的記錄在中華民國的教育史上留下歷史的記錄未來的學子就拿姜雅琪當作例子嘛有什麼關係\n我沒有拿到學院的法學博士又如何我照寫 前例在前面了這沒關係啦我找我自己擔任董事公司 收我公司錢的律師來參與我的學倫大會幫我方案 也沒有關係因為我們的國科會已經宣布標準了這種情況完全不需要迴避\n連一開始在審查的過程當中連自我揭露都沒有做到也沒有關係我第一次質詢的時候我已經質疑了\n學倫的這種事情高度的學術專業倫理找一個律師來當學倫大會的評選委員我對你們當初的科技部是怎麼挑選的我已經下巴都快要掉下來我已經下巴都快要掉下來而且還是去找了一個收錢的律師這是什麼標準\n然後呢自我沒有揭露呼嚕呼嚕出了這種整個學術界大家沒辦法接受的結論到今天繼續關關相護丟臉丟臉非常的丟臉非常非常的丟臉\n今天在中華民國的教育史上在中華民國的學術史上寫下這恥辱的一頁歷史會記得謝謝黃國昌委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.587 --> 00:29.270\n接下來有請黃國昌委員質詢謝謝主席本來有請教育部部長過客會副主委有請部長副主委備質詢謝謝委員好兩位好運動部9月9號要掛牌當初我們在實驗組織法的之後\n\n00:30.519 --> 00:58.719\n運動部組織法第二條本部長理下列事項其中有一個是運動文化之一的收集保存在線展示及推廣這個是運動部在組織法裡面的法定職場事項今天拜讀的教育部所送來的關於運動部成立籌備的情況以及後續的推畫裡面有一部一屬三中心部裡面有六個師請問有關於運動文化之一的收集保存在線展示及推廣是哪一個部門的選擇\n\n01:00.581 --> 01:20.897\n保護委員未來應該會是在產業與科技室在哪裡產業及科技室產業及科技室來把你們今天的書面報告拿出來看到第二頁產業及科技室你們今天在產業及科技室裡面執掌的事項半個字都沒有提啊\n\n01:27.418 --> 01:54.616\n這部分我們目前的確在規劃上面我們先短中長期那已經有一個出版出來我們可以提供給委辦那短期部分我們現在在做文物整個的盤點那中期的部分就是要去做一個像一些像我們現在台史博我這樣說好了啦當初喔在審運動部組織法的時候針對於有關國家體育博物館的部分你們有一些想法\n\n01:55.902 --> 02:22.190\n然後說先不要成立啦未來以後我們會再研議嘛我們就持續的等嘛今天從你們今天交給教委委員會的書面報告當中就整個組織架構裡面我完全看不到到底是這個部裡面的哪一個署哪一個中心甚至是哪一個司要主責這樣子的事項我今天這件事情提出來正式的質詢只是希望記得\n\n02:23.890 --> 02:44.805\n當初運動部組織法的時候在審議的過程當中因為你們委員做了一些讓步委員做讓步並不代表這些事情不用做當初承諾的事項要記在心裡面當初承諾的事項要記在心裡面要好好的去做我不希望以後再看到的狀況是今天針對運動部\n\n02:48.007 --> 03:05.567\n我們成立了以後接下來各司的職長上面竟然在運動部組織法裡面有法定職長事項結果在這份書面報告裡面一個字啊都沒有提因為到時候如果要就責的話到底誰要負啊這個責任啊必須要清楚可以嗎好來\n\n03:08.786 --> 03:29.875\n不要講空的啦現在誰要當部長還不是很清楚啦我只是現在藉由這個質詢的機會提醒你們啦不要講空的啦當初我們在審運動部組織法的時候有一些委員說要設國家級的運動技藝博物館事實上我從很多球員那邊所得到的澄清我是贊成的\n\n03:30.717 --> 03:55.205\n我是贊成的但是當初因為你們反對嘛你們希望給你們一些空間嘛你們會好好的去做嘛所以我們就一直等嘛今天提這樣的質詢我再強調一次善意的提醒答應的事就要做到到時候沒有做到就要有人負責包括有關於法國他們一樣有國家體育博物館\n\n03:58.134 --> 04:21.579\n很多學者也站出來講運動部缺的不是預算缺乏的是保存機制跟推動計畫你們現在這幾年基本上全部都是在搞什麼數位典藏然後每年大概編了從運發基金大概每年編兩千萬下去做這樣子的事情希望運動部正式成立以後這件事情要認真把它當做一件事來做可以嗎\n\n04:22.566 --> 04:37.380\n幫委員會的會喔好來接下來請教育部部長跟國歌會副主委我之前啊我非常重視的一件事啊我們的高中生學習歷程\n\n04:39.819 --> 05:08.674\n裡面內容虛偽不實結果被學校撤銷入局資格一個學生在學習的過程當中當然不可以造假基本正確的觀念從學生時代就要建立但是是不是要下這麼重的手社會上面有很多不同的聲音我相信部長也聽到了但這不是我今天要講的重點我今天要講的重點是我不知道我們國家的教育怎麼了\n\n05:09.693 --> 05:29.896\n我也不知道我們國家的學術圈到底怎麼了我自己是從學界出來的在中央研究院裡面我們針對有關於學術的倫理也好學術的基本的要求也好事情應該是怎麼樣就是怎麼樣向來都是很清楚\n\n05:31.092 --> 05:57.200\n但是我發現這個政府讓我們不知道怎麼教育我們的下一代一個高中生學習歷程不實被五個學校撤銷錄取資格結果一個大教授自己的學歷造假自己的學歷造假現在出任英國公使現在出任英國公使這在學界已經成為最諷刺\n\n06:01.107 --> 06:25.781\n但絕對不好笑的笑話最諷刺但絕對不好笑的笑話當初這件事情有人檢舉的時候從教育部到科技部一路護航一路護航我之前有帶你們看過了2011年這件事情開始的時候還把它變更審議處理的原則\n\n06:28.036 --> 06:46.252\n說不包括身份資料物證或其他類似的顯然錯誤我已經看不懂了你有沒有去念過法學院自己不知道沒有念過法學院寫畢業的我拿到的是法學院的博士學位這個叫顯然錯誤喔這個叫顯然造假這個叫顯然造假這叫顯然造假\n\n06:51.909 --> 06:59.514\n我再說三次我在國會也這樣講我面對學界的朋友也這樣子講過去這段時間我們這個國家我們這個政府我們這些大人們怎麼樣對在學習當中的高中生砍到見骨砍到見骨但是呢\n\n07:17.877 --> 07:38.653\n對於抱對大腿抱對民進黨大腿公然造假的學者卻是呵護被制啊呵護被制啊當他變更標準甚至出現了什麼狀況來繼續往下看當初科技部他的學文事件\n\n07:39.844 --> 07:53.627\n法律專業學門一自覺要停權到你們學倫大會上面翻盤主導的就是民進黨的御用律師陳鵬光也是台堂的董事接了台電的這樣的標案拿了這麼多的標案\n\n08:05.185 --> 08:20.237\n然後台電的董事也就是江雅琪的學輪案件她參與審議我上一次在這邊問這件事情的時候國歌會說整個情況不是很瞭解要回去做瞭解\n\n08:21.720 --> 08:49.692\n這種事情不應該發生顯然意見的顯然意見的根本應該要迴避結果沒有迴避這還不是我說的這還不是我說的當初你們都跟我承諾要徹查結果呢我請你們徹查徹查回來教育部回給我的公文國科會回給我的公文全部公文編密件保密20年全部編密件保密20年我現在問題來了\n\n08:51.209 --> 09:12.751\n我如果把你們回給我編為密件的公文我曾經作為中研院的研究員來自於學界我看了快要吐血的公文我把它公開我會不會違反洩密罪部長我會違反洩密罪嗎國科會的副主委我會違反洩密罪嗎\n\n09:14.707 --> 09:35.737\n保密20年這為什麼要保密20年不敢讓社會公平不敢讓社會大眾知道不敢讓大家知道這個民進黨政府關關相護誇張到什麼程度連最基本的學術倫理要求直接叮爆垃圾桶啊台灣學術之恥啊台灣學術之恥啊政治人物啊你如果要關關相護社會觀感不佳\n\n09:44.803 --> 10:09.039\n這種腐敗的風氣蔓延到學界啊這就是學術倫理標準的崩壞徹底的崩壞以後我們要怎麼樣告訴我們的學生啊最高學歷啊欽猜瞎瞎的沒關係啦教育部不會管啊國科會也不會管啊自己從什麼學院拿到博士學位的忘記了也沒有關係啊即使記得\n\n10:10.732 --> 10:23.119\n閉上眼睛瞎寫也沒有關係啊因為民進黨政府所主導的教育部跟國科會已經向全台灣的學術界宣告這都沒關係啦是這樣嗎來請教部長\n\n10:30.677 --> 10:54.939\n跟委員報告他之所以會列為密件是因為我們提供給委員的資料有涉及到一些什麼東西這一個他的一個教授的一些沒有啊我跟部長報告我看完了我看不到任何國家機密我看不到任何個人隱私我唯一看到的只有什麼叫做官官相護啊\n\n10:58.130 --> 11:14.024\n跟委員報告,當事人這一個我們在110年的時候接到了科技部的一個調查請問我們查詢他的教師資格審查的時候他的這個案子確實有經過我們的相關的會議在討論說他登載的這樣的一個學位論文的疑義的案子我們確實有進行討論跟審議討論出來就沒有關係嘛,對不對?\n\n11:25.194 --> 11:52.367\n沒有跟委員報告他當時在深等教授在北科大深等教授的時候因為審查意見就有指出來這樣的一個疑義所以他當時深等教授的資格是沒有通過的那後來經過我們開就是說110年4月27號開完會之後審議這樣的情形也提醒當事人以後要確實登載這樣子的一個為什麼要提醒當事人以後要登載正確\n\n11:53.647 --> 12:21.878\n我現在登載不如正確又怎麼樣我現在登載不正確你們教育部說沒有關係啊國科會也說沒有關係啊大家都說沒有關係啊委員他在審查教師資格的時候有反映在他的教授身上對沒有錯你講得很好啊反映出來的結果就是我們的教育部加上國科會告訴整個台灣社會這根本不重要沒有關係\n\n12:23.513 --> 12:48.204\n不是嗎報告委員他在北科大升等教授的時候是沒有通過的是因為確實裡頭意見有這樣子的一個呈現那後來他的教師資格的履歷表經過就是說我們現在掌握到的他後來有如實的登載所以在海洋所以是知過能改就好了嘛對不對報告委員因為他已經確實反映在他的教師資格審定的部分來請國科會你們給我的密件說\n\n12:53.391 --> 13:15.910\n那個大會民進黨的那個御用律師去幫他主導法律學門、專業學門說違反學術倫理去學倫大會一手幫他主導方案的這個沒有違反利益迴避相關的規範那就很奇怪賴清德提名的大法官這是賴清德提名的\n\n13:16.943 --> 13:38.717\n不是別人提名的賴清德提名的大法官詹正榮在同意權行使的審查會上就擺明的很清楚第一個他們當初根本不知道這件事當初根本不知道這件事代表什麼意思代表的是連自我揭露都沒做到連基本的自我揭露都沒有做到進一步請教他他說這當然應該要迴避\n\n13:40.957 --> 14:07.905\n這當然應該要迴避啊但是你們國科會很厲害你們回給我的密件當中說這個不用迴避沒有關係啊所以現在這個是國科會告訴全台灣所有的學者這是OK的嗎?這是國科會的標準嗎?報告委員這個案子我們依照程序進行學乳檢定會的是是是是你們非常會搞程序啦這個體制啊被你們玩得如火純青啊\n\n14:10.046 --> 14:31.767\n你們很會玩體制很會玩程序啊程序考完最後產出的結果叫做謝謝指教茶無不法這就是我痛心的地方啊為了一個人台灣的學術界基本的倫理要求全部丟到垃圾桶裡面去\n\n14:34.057 --> 14:59.923\n賴清德政府要包庇這樣的一個人送到英國當公使我老實說啦丟的是全台灣的臉賴清德拉不下這個臉面硬要派他去當駐英國的公使丟的是全台灣人的臉但是我本來期待學術人還有一點最起碼的學術良心教授還有最起碼的一點學者的良知\n\n15:01.366 --> 15:24.953\n結果搞到今天啦教育部也好國科會也好報告委員我們有跑程序程序出來一切合法謝謝指教具體的內容列為密件保密20年委員你不要公開你一公開可能就觸犯了中華民國刑法洩漏國防以外的機密罪我們的政府是在玩這種遊戲\n\n15:31.766 --> 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好來 接下來請教育部部長跟國歌會副主委我之前啊 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也就是江雅琪的學輪案件她參與審議我上一次在這邊問這件事情的時候國歌會說整個情況不是很瞭解要回去做瞭解"},{"start":501.72,"end":529.692,"text":"這種事情不應該發生顯然意見的 顯然意見的根本應該要迴避 結果沒有迴避這還不是我說的這還不是我說的當初你們都跟我承諾要徹查結果呢 我請你們徹查 徹查回來教育部回給我的公文國科會回給我的公文 全部公文編密件保密20年全部編密件 保密20年我現在問題來了"},{"start":531.209,"end":552.751,"text":"我如果把你們回給我編為密件的公文我曾經作為中研院的研究員來自於學界我看了快要吐血的公文我把它公開我會不會違反洩密罪部長我會違反洩密罪嗎國科會的副主委我會違反洩密罪嗎"},{"start":554.707,"end":575.737,"text":"保密20年 這為什麼要保密20年不敢讓社會公平不敢讓社會大眾知道不敢讓大家知道這個民進黨政府關關相護誇張到什麼程度連最基本的學術倫理要求直接叮爆垃圾桶啊台灣學術之恥啊台灣學術之恥啊政治人物啊 你如果要關關相護社會觀感不佳"},{"start":584.803,"end":609.039,"text":"這種腐敗的風氣 蔓延到學界啊這就是學術倫理標準的崩壞 徹底的崩壞以後我們要怎麼樣告訴我們的學生啊最高學歷啊 欽猜瞎瞎的沒關係啦教育部不會管啊 國科會也不會管啊自己從什麼學院拿到博士學位的忘記了也沒有關係啊 即使記得"},{"start":610.732,"end":623.119,"text":"閉上眼睛瞎寫也沒有關係啊因為民進黨政府所主導的教育部跟國科會已經向全台灣的學術界宣告這都沒關係啦是這樣嗎來 請教部長"},{"start":630.677,"end":654.939,"text":"跟委員報告 他之所以會列為密件是因為我們提供給委員的資料有涉及到一些什麼東西這一個他的一個教授的一些沒有啊 我跟部長報告我看完了 我看不到任何國家機密我看不到任何個人隱私我唯一看到的只有什麼叫做官官相護啊"},{"start":658.13,"end":674.024,"text":"跟委員報告,當事人這一個我們在110年的時候接到了科技部的一個調查請問我們查詢他的教師資格審查的時候他的這個案子確實有經過我們的相關的會議在討論說他登載的這樣的一個學位論文的疑義的案子我們確實有進行討論跟審議討論出來就沒有關係嘛,對不對?"},{"start":685.194,"end":712.367,"text":"沒有 跟委員報告 他當時在深等教授在北科大深等教授的時候因為審查意見就有指出來這樣的一個疑義所以他當時深等教授的資格是沒有通過的那後來經過我們開 就是說110年4月27號開完會之後審議這樣的情形也提醒當事人以後要確實登載這樣子的一個為什麼要提醒當事人以後要登載正確"},{"start":713.647,"end":741.878,"text":"我現在登載不如正確又怎麼樣我現在登載不正確你們教育部說沒有關係啊國科會也說沒有關係啊大家都說沒有關係啊委員他在審查教師資格的時候有反映在他的教授身上對沒有錯你講得很好啊反映出來的結果就是我們的教育部加上國科會告訴整個台灣社會這根本不重要沒有關係"},{"start":743.513,"end":768.204,"text":"不是嗎報告委員他在北科大升等教授的時候是沒有通過的是因為確實裡頭意見有這樣子的一個呈現那後來他的教師資格的履歷表經過就是說我們現在掌握到的他後來有如實的登載所以在海洋所以是知過能改就好了嘛對不對報告委員因為他已經確實反映在他的教師資格審定的部分來 請國科會你們給我的密件說"},{"start":773.391,"end":795.91,"text":"那個大會民進黨的那個御用律師去幫他主導法律學門、專業學門說違反學術倫理去學倫大會一手幫他主導方案的這個沒有違反利益迴避相關的規範那就很奇怪賴清德提名的大法官這是賴清德提名的"},{"start":796.943,"end":818.717,"text":"不是別人提名的賴清德提名的大法官詹正榮在同意權行使的審查會上就擺明的很清楚第一個他們當初根本不知道這件事當初根本不知道這件事代表什麼意思代表的是連自我揭露都沒做到連基本的自我揭露都沒有做到進一步請教他他說這當然應該要迴避"},{"start":820.957,"end":847.905,"text":"這當然應該要迴避啊但是你們國科會很厲害你們回給我的密件當中說這個不用迴避沒有關係啊所以現在這個是國科會告訴全台灣所有的學者這是OK的嗎?這是國科會的標準嗎?報告委員這個案子我們依照程序進行學乳檢定會的是是是是你們非常會搞程序啦這個體制啊被你們玩得如火純青啊"},{"start":850.046,"end":871.767,"text":"你們很會玩體制很會玩程序啊程序考完最後產出的結果叫做謝謝指教茶無不法這就是我痛心的地方啊為了一個人台灣的學術界基本的倫理要求全部丟到垃圾桶裡面去"},{"start":874.057,"end":899.923,"text":"賴清德政府要包庇這樣的一個人送到英國當公使我老實說啦丟的是全台灣的臉賴清德拉不下這個臉面硬要派他去當駐英國的公使丟的是全台灣人的臉但是我本來期待學術人還有一點最起碼的學術良心教授還有最起碼的一點學者的良知"},{"start":901.366,"end":924.953,"text":"結果搞到今天啦 教育部也好 國科會也好報告委員 我們有跑程序程序出來一切合法 謝謝指教具體的內容列為密件 保密20年委員你不要公開 你一公開可能就觸犯了中華民國刑法洩漏國防以外的機密罪我們的政府是在玩這種遊戲"},{"start":931.766,"end":960.277,"text":"我們的政府是在玩這種遊戲我已經不期待現在的教育部我也不期待現在的國科會能夠進一步去做什麼自我糾正的事情我只要留下歷史的記錄在中華民國的學術史上留下歷史的記錄在中華民國的教育史上留下歷史的記錄未來的學子就拿姜雅琪當作例子嘛有什麼關係"},{"start":962.571,"end":986.793,"text":"我沒有拿到學院的法學博士又如何我照寫 前例在前面了這沒關係啦我找我自己擔任董事公司 收我公司錢的律師來參與我的學倫大會幫我方案 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