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00:01:13,144\n我想院長我印象很深刻去年我們也遭逢了好幾個颱風院長也有特別到屏東尤其是山陀颱風造成屏東一些農損還有特別是我們仿寮大莊的海堤破損在院長的指示下我當場也要求我們水利署在今年4月份我們已經把破損的海堤修補完成\n\n4\n00:01:14,424 --> 00:01:26,132\n沿岸的離岸體的部分也加高加寬所以我想經過這一次的颱風我想我們的鄉親都很安心這點也是我特別要跟院長說明的院長過去因為我們\n\n5\n00:01:30,554 --> 00:01:56,648\n中央我們有災害應變中心跟災防辦我們縣市政府也有成立指揮中心我們的公所當然我們非六都也有鄉鎮公所的一個編制從中央到縣市政府到鄉鎮公所的一個針對災害的一個防救整合的一個系統我想過去我們也演練了很多次也應對了很多次但是這一次當然我們還是有發現一些\n\n6\n00:01:57,828 --> 00:02:26,003\n這個我們應該可以來做一個檢討當然我們是希望大家都沒有希望有天災的發生但是一旦造成的時候怎麼樣用最快的速度來處理這個災害的傷害讓我們的鄉親能夠早日重建家園我想這個目標應該是院長同意這個說法院長我想我們看一下我們隔壁的日本最近石泡沫\n\n7\n00:02:27,137 --> 00:02:27,964\n是破茂的首相\n\n8\n00:02:28,510 --> 00:02:56,623\n他宣布在6月6號宣布在2026年要成立一個防災廳應該是他也有感於這個我們現在極端氣候的一個影響那院長我知道當然我們目前我們各部會都有針對防災有一個因應的一個作為但是有沒有可能針對這樣的一個極端氣候像我們屏東上禮拜一禮拜就一年的候量啦非常的恐怖有沒有辦法針對這樣極端氣候我們未來成立一個防災部的一個專責單位來因應這樣的一個挑戰\n\n9\n00:02:57,757 --> 00:03:21,016\n是報告委員經過這麼多年來數次的不管是颱風地震或是大型的災害我們累積的救災的經驗我們現在已經完整把它放在包括中央跟地方的應變中心跟所有的防救災機制裡面我們也訓練了很多的防災室也成立了很多的自主社區那這個是限制的如果現在真的因為應變這個極端氣候大家認為不足\n\n10\n00:03:23,238 --> 00:03:49,210\n還有進一步的規劃行政院願意來做這樣的討論甚至我們請政委就這個前進指揮所現在的經驗跟中央應變中心之間的關係我們做這樣的討論未來把它形成一個更強韌堅固的防災體系謝謝委員提出這樣的國外有好的經驗我們當然願意來學習那政委就是最近您自己到雲嘉南救災的經驗覺得有哪邊部分是真的我們可以再強化的部分\n\n11\n00:03:50,243 --> 00:04:14,233\n像屏東去年的風災那個土堤有破損那這個是行政院會責成公共工程委員會開立專案那麼接受這個各有災損公共設施的縣市政府提報經過審議之後那麼使用特統會協助各縣市來把這個災損做好\n\n12\n00:04:15,013 --> 00:04:33,291\n這一次因為是受損的戶數太多了比方說三、四萬戶的民宅它的屋頂或者牆壁受損因為老舊房屋所以才特別來訂定特別條例特別預算來協助修復\n\n13\n00:04:35,152 --> 00:04:57,651\n我剛才說的是前進指揮所是災後復原的前進指揮所進駐當地在風災後趕快來協助重建但是這次因為颱風之後連續幾天都是西南氣流都是大雨所以在那個情況之下說要去做屋頂等等都是相當困難\n\n14\n00:04:58,411 --> 00:05:19,091\n還好是有很多志工或者是其他的團體去協助簡單的蓋一下帆布所以並不是說行政院指揮所設立太慢因為事實上每個風災在每個地方政府台南市嘉峪市他自己就會成立一級的災防應變中心\n\n15\n00:05:19,631 --> 00:05:49,314\n那這個災防應變中心裡面國軍同樣是在縣市政府的災防應變中心裡面本來就有協助說不會說有太慢的問題所以我們特別跟這個委員來報告如果說屏東的部分那等這個特別條例通過之後那麼在依據受損的狀況我們就先請院來核定做這個災區的宣告那就可以應用這個特別預算\n\n16\n00:05:50,275 --> 00:06:08,027\n來進行相關的災損的復原我想這邊我也跟院長報告我們一定來進行特別條例因為我想我們要怎麼樣強迫我們防災的一個韌性我想特別條例我們一定還有多少做不到的地方我們希望藉由特別條例來強迫我們一個防災的一個需求\n\n17\n00:06:08,647 --> 00:06:25,194\n那政委請問院長那我想我還是要針對屏東的一些需求部分要跟院長請命你也是我們鄉親的基台我想我們過去這個我們治水有八年八百億六年六百億那在這十幾年的時候屏東縣\n\n18\n00:06:26,014 --> 00:06:42,991\n因為我們很積極在爭取這樣一個治山防火的預算所以我想經過這幾年我們看得出來我們不說完全沒有問題但是這個淹水的問題已經大幅改善但是還是有一些地方仍顯不足比如說像是\n\n19\n00:06:43,832 --> 00:07:01,461\n院長我在意的部分那天我們去訪寮你也看到我們沿海離岸體很假因為這個都已經做了很久那個浪一打上來根本都沒有達到沒辦法達到一個防護的功能我當時我也要求我們水利署\n\n20\n00:07:02,128 --> 00:07:18,643\n應該要全面檢視我們沿海地區的一個離岸體的一個設置甚至要加高加固但是目前只有看到這薄荷苗是不是因為經費用到的關係我想這部分院長應該要特別再攪拌一下我想這個是海岸防衛韌性很重要的一環\n\n21\n00:07:19,784 --> 00:07:37,979\n那第二個部分就是針對我們這個這個抽水機的部分因為我們有移動式的抽水機就是要因應這個不同的區域但是我們抽水機也很舊了有些需要汰換那還有一些固定式的抽水站那因為過去的設計的CMS量不夠大\n\n22\n00:07:38,539 --> 00:07:58,673\n那我們也提出一個汰換的計畫但是因為卡到這個預算的問題院長這邊是不是可以承諾給水利署最大的支持這補充也在那我們正在優先處理這個離岸體跟抽水站抽水機的汰換問題好謝謝謝謝委員從過年八年八百億六年六百億到前瞻基礎建設我們確實改善了一些地區\n\n23\n00:07:59,614 --> 00:08:16,416\n程度已經慢慢的在下降但沒有辦法全然改善所以今年我們系統性治水從淨流分擔出流管制以及在地製洪三道策略來做希望水從河川出來的時候我們有第二道防線不要進到社區另外\n\n24\n00:08:17,217 --> 00:08:40,810\n內水要能夠出去所以要加強這個抽排的能力抽水機抽水站更加強到出海口讓內河能夠出去這個是今年該做的但是我們看到這樣子還有很多屬於末端的縣市館的甚至野溪大型的目前還沒有辦法整治所以經濟部水利署已經提出了一個四年一千億的縣市館河川改善計畫\n\n25\n00:08:41,957 --> 00:09:03,733\n那個計畫我希望能夠補過去這一段時間做的工作的不足能夠把這些內水排得出去抽水機抽水站能夠把它加強加多加大同時我們現在系統性治水能夠更有效率來執行那我希望達到的效率就是最小的淹水面積最快的退水時間最高的安全標準\n\n26\n00:09:04,860 --> 00:09:26,529\n我剛剛舉的那個例子就是剛剛院長提的我們現在平原很多的水一滴就來滴三滴啦尤其山區下了兩千多公里的水那過去我們就發現到山區下來因為我們現在管轄的單位從上游中游下游都不一樣那我們過去因為各唱各的調\n\n27\n00:09:27,833 --> 00:09:40,539\n這些上游有可能林務局也好或是這個水保署也好他們做了一部分中游有可能是我們中央管的河川甚至我們這個縣管的河川到下游有農田水利會的\n\n28\n00:09:43,511 --> 00:10:11,945\n對農水署還有縣政府的管理的一些甚至一些是鄉鎮公所那造成大家在整治計畫沒辦法做一個完整性的一個治理計畫這到一半有的地方垮有的地方黑根本達不到所謂一個防洪排洪的一個效果我真的覺得這個我們要痛病思痛院長有沒辦法做一個專責的一個集單位來列管這個案子真的把這樣的一個從山上到平原到除外口整個整治計畫能夠做一個完整的配套\n\n29\n00:10:12,685 --> 00:10:31,294\n我們在水利署經濟部水利署跟農業部的農水署都是這樣的專責機構那從七種性試水已經從這個源頭的3G的演習部分開始來整治那我剛剛提到的未來4年1000億的預算那是針對縣市管河川\n\n30\n00:10:31,934 --> 00:10:54,020\n改善計畫我們過去做的比較中央管理的河川縣市管理河川都是縣市來做申請東方來補助我們希望這一次能夠用中央集體的力量把縣市管理河川也一併把它改善納入整個系統性治水當中銜接過來希望能夠解決目前在遺留的這些問題我們最近也發現有一個很不錯的一個治理的計畫叫做治洪池\n\n31\n00:10:54,892 --> 00:11:10,554\n在地滯洪因為我們發現因為我們的水量一下子沒辦法去把它阻擋直接會到我們的城鎮造成淹水問題如果我們在鄰近找一個比較寬闊的地方先做一個滯洪池再用抽水的部分把它處理掉\n\n32\n00:11:11,175 --> 00:11:34,985\n那這個成效是非常非常的大那我們目前屏東也有好幾個自動池都已經做好了那也謝謝中央的支持但是我覺得我還是要再提一次大潮州人工湖的必要性尤其是對我們整個屏東這個是能夠續航水量也是達到一個防洪很重要的一個案子那這個案子因為一直在審理這部分的問請院長要支持這一定要做啦這要重要啦\n\n33\n00:11:36,209 --> 00:11:43,547\n好的謝謝這個委員我們積極把它納入未來的計畫當中因為第一期已經完成了第二期真的院長上次我們去談過了對謝謝\n\n34\n00:11:46,992 --> 00:12:11,293\n陳部長我接著就要講農損的問題我知道你很緊張在處理這段時間我也一直跟你打電話有在聯繫一些事情但是我們現在還是有發現到這個鼓勵我們山坨的時候速度很快但是近年我發現可能大家顧慮的層面比較多那有時候在這個勘栽公告這個程序上面\n\n35\n00:12:12,034 --> 00:12:39,100\n都會有比較多的考慮啦所以變成今天說到這個某一個鄉鎮單一作物這個鄉鎮有別的作物事實上這個作物是跨區的很多地方都沒有我們鄉親就在問說為什麼只有那一區有我整個怎麼會沒有我真的是建議說如果真的是災害是屬於大規模的農損應該是不是考慮用全區全品項的方式讓我們的這個基層的同仁也有一個遵循的依據\n\n36\n00:12:40,328 --> 00:13:09,708\n部長你回答一下好不好我跟委員報告這次的因為最主要是屏東最主要是大嶼的部分然後我們第一次做做主動公告已經比過去的一般地方政府來至少省了七天左右那我們在主動公告的時候會跟輕重緩急有關就是說靠近山區的部分我們會做第一波的公告然後頂多差一天或兩天才會延伸到平地有一些可能淹水的部分這個部分我想\n\n37\n00:13:10,388 --> 00:13:25,917\n如果造成農民覺得說義務利益說有沒有開放那後續我們會再來改進但是全品項的開放可能要他的天氣的參數或者是他的災困的情況達到一定程度以後才會去用全品項來公告\n\n38\n00:13:27,745 --> 00:13:46,238\n院長部長我想我還是要提醒就是說因為我們現在有可能是不是單一的一個作物或單一個的時節我們現在很多叫做重複性甚至叫磁發性的一個災害這咱的同仁也很辛苦啦這個有時候民意代表常常要約我們鄉困難農政單位的同仁不是在會堪啦\n\n39\n00:13:46,658 --> 00:14:06,296\n那大家又要做這個後續的一些行政作業的處理真的是對大家真的都很辛苦我是建議說大家能不能還是那個原則從寬從速從簡這個標準之下能夠去簡化一些流程讓鄉親能夠趕快去復耕趕快重建家園這個部分我想這個部分真的農業部還是要來做一下檢討啦\n\n40\n00:14:07,506 --> 00:14:28,168\n尤其伯定我也要跟你提醒我們整個APP的那個下載真的太低了啦你要叫這些東北市都用APP真的很困難啊然後第一線的鄉鎮公所他們都要等到我們上面確認之後才能夠開始去申報這個對農民也是很吃虧的一點啊能不能去整合這個平台伯定\n\n41\n00:14:29,088 --> 00:14:43,573\n我跟委員報告我們現在的平台就是說後續有一些我們包括我們主動用航照拍攝的那如果說它已經有一個很明確的災損我們放在後台所以我們現在跟後台的工作做借接\n\n42\n00:14:44,213 --> 00:15:12,995\n那公所在申請的時候他有時候如果農民沒有辦法拿APP的相片的時候那我們也可以主動提供一些我們所掌握的資訊給他們那這樣的話就可以能夠加速他的一個審核能夠不到現場去能夠從照片上看得出來的話盡量去處理但是公所本身的同仁有時候會擔心沒去看他會緊張啦所以這個部分我們已經在法裡面規定了可以用科學的依據提供相關的災損的認定\n\n43\n00:15:15,950 --> 00:15:44,883\n我想時間關心最後一個問題就針對台電的問題這一次風災我們看到電感受損非常嚴重剛剛看那個王定樂有特別提醒平二公路我們就是因為做了一個電纜地下化的一個工程所以恆春半島這幾次經過風災都沒有受到影響但是我們沿海鄉鎮包含這個容易受清洗颱風清洗的一些縣市我想電纜地下化一定是要刻不容緩要進行\n\n44\n00:16:10,786 --> 00:16:10,806\n好謝謝\n\n45\n00:16:15,538 --> 00:16:17,963\n好謝謝徐副葵委員的資訊謝謝卓院長相關部會首長的備詢謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3578\t29075\t好 接下來我們請登記第七號徐富奎委員質詢張家俊委員請準備謝謝主席 我們有請左院長還有陳政委麻煩再請左院長 陳政委備詢\n39969\t44142\t徐院長好院長好 政委好大家辛苦了\n45075\t73144\t我想院長我印象很深刻去年我們也遭逢了好幾個颱風院長也有特別到屏東尤其是山陀颱風造成屏東一些農損還有特別是我們仿寮大莊的海堤破損在院長的指示下我當場也要求我們水利署在今年4月份我們已經把破損的海堤修補完成\n74424\t86132\t沿岸的離岸體的部分也加高加寬所以我想經過這一次的颱風我想我們的鄉親都很安心這點也是我特別要跟院長說明的院長 過去因為我們\n90554\t116648\t中央我們有災害應變中心跟災防辦我們縣市政府也有成立指揮中心我們的公所當然我們非六都也有鄉鎮公所的一個編制從中央到縣市政府到鄉鎮公所的一個針對災害的一個防救整合的一個系統我想過去我們也演練了很多次也應對了很多次但是這一次當然我們還是有發現一些\n117828\t146003\t這個我們應該可以來做一個檢討當然我們是希望大家都沒有希望有天災的發生但是一旦造成的時候怎麼樣用最快的速度來處理這個災害的傷害讓我們的鄉親能夠早日重建家園我想這個目標應該是院長同意這個說法院長我想我們看一下我們隔壁的日本最近石泡沫\n147137\t147964\t是破茂的首相\n148510\t176623\t他宣布在6月6號宣布在2026年要成立一個防災廳應該是他也有感於這個我們現在極端氣候的一個影響那院長我知道當然我們目前我們各部會都有針對防災有一個因應的一個作為但是有沒有可能針對這樣的一個極端氣候像我們屏東上禮拜一禮拜就一年的候量啦非常的恐怖有沒有辦法針對這樣極端氣候我們未來成立一個防災部的一個專責單位來因應這樣的一個挑戰\n177757\t201016\t是 報告委員經過這麼多年來數次的不管是颱風 地震或是大型的災害我們累積的救災的經驗我們現在已經完整把它放在包括中央跟地方的應變中心跟所有的防救災機制裡面我們也訓練了很多的防災室也成立了很多的自主社區那這個是限制的如果現在真的因為應變這個極端氣候大家認為不足\n203238\t229210\t還有進一步的規劃行政院願意來做這樣的討論甚至我們請政委就這個前進指揮所現在的經驗跟中央應變中心之間的關係我們做這樣的討論未來把它形成一個更強韌堅固的防災體系謝謝委員提出這樣的國外有好的經驗我們當然願意來學習那政委就是最近您自己到雲嘉南救災的經驗覺得有哪邊部分是真的我們可以再強化的部分\n230243\t254233\t像屏東去年的風災那個土堤有破損那這個是行政院會責成公共工程委員會開立專案那麼接受這個各有災損公共設施的縣市政府提報經過審議之後那麼使用特統會協助各縣市來把這個災損做好\n255013\t273291\t這一次因為是受損的戶數太多了比方說三、四萬戶的民宅它的屋頂或者牆壁受損因為老舊房屋所以才特別來訂定特別條例特別預算來協助修復\n275152\t297651\t我剛才說的是前進指揮所是災後復原的前進指揮所進駐當地在風災後趕快來協助重建但是這次因為颱風之後連續幾天都是西南氣流 都是大雨所以在那個情況之下說要去做屋頂等等都是相當困難\n298411\t319091\t還好是有很多志工或者是其他的團體去協助簡單的蓋一下帆布所以並不是說行政院指揮所設立太慢因為事實上每個風災在每個地方政府台南市嘉峪市他自己就會成立一級的災防應變中心\n319631\t349314\t那這個災防應變中心裡面國軍同樣是在縣市政府的災防應變中心裡面本來就有協助說不會說有太慢的問題所以我們特別跟這個委員來報告如果說屏東的部分那等這個特別條例通過之後那麼在依據受損的狀況我們就先請院來核定做這個災區的宣告那就可以應用這個特別預算\n350275\t368027\t來進行相關的災損的復原我想這邊我也跟院長報告我們一定來進行特別條例因為我想我們要怎麼樣強迫我們防災的一個韌性我想特別條例我們一定還有多少做不到的地方我們希望藉由特別條例來強迫我們一個防災的一個需求\n368647\t385194\t那政委請問 院長那我想我還是要針對屏東的一些需求部分要跟院長請命你也是我們鄉親的基台我想我們過去這個我們治水有八年八百億六年六百億那在這十幾年的時候 屏東縣\n386014\t402991\t因為我們很積極在爭取這樣一個治山防火的預算所以我想經過這幾年我們看得出來我們不說完全沒有問題但是這個淹水的問題已經大幅改善但是還是有一些地方仍顯不足比如說像是\n403832\t421461\t院長 我在意的部分那天我們去訪寮你也看到我們沿海離岸體很假因為這個都已經做了很久那個浪一打上來根本都沒有達到沒辦法達到一個防護的功能我當時我也要求我們水利署\n422128\t438643\t應該要全面檢視我們沿海地區的一個離岸體的一個設置甚至要加高加固但是目前只有看到這薄荷苗是不是因為經費用到的關係我想這部分院長應該要特別再攪拌一下我想這個是海岸防衛韌性很重要的一環\n439784\t457979\t那第二個部分就是針對我們這個這個抽水機的部分因為我們有移動式的抽水機就是要因應這個不同的區域但是我們抽水機也很舊了有些需要汰換那還有一些固定式的抽水站那因為過去的設計的CMS量不夠大\n458539\t478673\t那我們也提出一個汰換的計畫但是因為卡到這個預算的問題院長這邊是不是可以承諾給水利署最大的支持這補充也在那我們正在優先處理這個離岸體跟抽水站抽水機的汰換問題好 謝謝謝謝委員從過年八年八百億六年六百億到前瞻基礎建設我們確實改善了一些地區\n479614\t496416\t程度已經慢慢的在下降但沒有辦法全然改善所以今年我們系統性治水從淨流分擔 出流管制以及在地製洪三道策略來做希望水從河川出來的時候我們有第二道防線不要進到社區另外\n497217\t520810\t內水要能夠出去 所以要加強這個抽排的能力抽水機 抽水站 更加強到出海口讓內河能夠出去 這個是今年該做的但是我們看到這樣子還有很多屬於末端的縣市館的甚至野溪大型的 目前還沒有辦法整治所以經濟部水利署已經提出了一個四年一千億的縣市館河川改善計畫\n521957\t543733\t那個計畫我希望能夠補過去這一段時間做的工作的不足能夠把這些內水排得出去 抽水機抽水站能夠把它加強 加多 加大同時我們現在系統性治水能夠更有效率來執行那我希望達到的效率就是最小的淹水面積 最快的退水時間 最高的安全標準\n544860\t566529\t我剛剛舉的那個例子就是剛剛院長提的我們現在平原很多的水一滴就來滴三滴啦 尤其山區下了兩千多公里的水那過去我們就發現到山區下來因為我們現在管轄的單位從上游 中游 下游 都不一樣那我們過去因為各唱各的調\n567833\t580539\t這些上游有可能林務局也好或是這個水保署也好他們做了一部分中游有可能是我們中央管的河川甚至我們這個縣管的河川到下游有農田水利會的\n583511\t611945\t對 農水署還有縣政府的管理的一些甚至一些是鄉鎮公所那造成大家在整治計畫沒辦法做一個完整性的一個治理計畫這到一半 有的地方垮 有的地方黑根本達不到所謂一個防洪排洪的一個效果我真的覺得這個我們要痛病思痛院長 有沒辦法做一個專責的一個集單位來列管這個案子真的把這樣的一個從山上到平原到除外口整個整治計畫能夠做一個完整的配套\n612685\t631294\t我們在水利署 經濟部水利署跟農業部的農水署都是這樣的專責機構那從七種性試水已經從這個源頭的3G的演習部分開始來整治那我剛剛提到的未來4年1000億的預算那是針對縣市管河川\n631934\t654020\t改善計畫我們過去做的比較中央管理的河川縣市管理河川都是縣市來做申請東方來補助我們希望這一次能夠用中央集體的力量把縣市管理河川也一併把它改善納入整個系統性治水當中銜接過來希望能夠解決目前在遺留的這些問題我們最近也發現有一個很不錯的一個治理的計畫叫做治洪池\n654892\t670554\t在地滯洪因為我們發現因為我們的水量一下子沒辦法去把它阻擋直接會到我們的城鎮造成淹水問題如果我們在鄰近找一個比較寬闊的地方先做一個滯洪池再用抽水的部分把它處理掉\n671175\t694985\t那這個成效是非常非常的大那我們目前屏東也有好幾個自動池都已經做好了那也謝謝中央的支持但是我覺得我還是要再提一次大潮州人工湖的必要性尤其是對我們整個屏東這個是能夠續航水量也是達到一個防洪很重要的一個案子那這個案子因為一直在審理這部分的問請院長要支持這一定要做啦 這要重要啦\n696209\t703547\t好的 謝謝 這個委員我們積極把它納入未來的計畫當中因為第一期已經完成了 第二期真的院長上次我們去談過了 對 謝謝\n706992\t731293\t陳部長 我接著就要講農損的問題我知道你很緊張在處理這段時間我也一直跟你打電話有在聯繫一些事情但是我們現在還是有發現到這個鼓勵我們山坨的時候速度很快但是近年我發現可能大家顧慮的層面比較多那有時候在這個勘栽公告這個程序上面\n732034\t759100\t都會有比較多的考慮啦所以變成今天說到這個某一個鄉鎮單一作物這個鄉鎮有別的作物事實上這個作物是跨區的很多地方都沒有我們鄉親就在問說為什麼只有那一區有我整個怎麼會沒有我真的是建議說如果真的是災害是屬於大規模的農損應該是不是考慮用全區全品項的方式讓我們的這個基層的同仁也有一個遵循的依據\n760328\t789708\t部長你回答一下好不好我跟委員報告這次的因為最主要是屏東最主要是大嶼的部分然後我們第一次做做主動公告已經比過去的一般地方政府來至少省了七天左右那我們在主動公告的時候會跟輕重緩急有關就是說靠近山區的部分我們會做第一波的公告然後頂多差一天或兩天才會延伸到平地有一些可能淹水的部分這個部分我想\n790388\t805917\t如果造成農民覺得說義務利益說有沒有開放那後續我們會再來改進但是全品項的開放可能要他的天氣的參數或者是他的災困的情況達到一定程度以後才會去用全品項來公告\n807745\t826238\t院長部長 我想我還是要提醒就是說因為我們現在有可能是不是單一的一個作物或單一個的時節我們現在很多叫做重複性甚至叫磁發性的一個災害這咱的同仁也很辛苦啦這個有時候民意代表常常要約我們鄉困難農政單位的同仁不是在會堪啦\n826658\t846296\t那大家又要做這個後續的一些行政作業的處理真的是對大家真的都很辛苦我是建議說大家能不能還是那個原則從寬從速從簡這個標準之下能夠去簡化一些流程讓鄉親能夠趕快去復耕趕快重建家園這個部分我想這個部分真的農業部還是要來做一下檢討啦\n847506\t868168\t尤其 伯定 我也要跟你提醒我們整個APP的那個下載真的太低了啦你要叫這些東北市都用APP真的很困難啊然後第一線的鄉鎮公所他們都要等到我們上面確認之後才能夠開始去申報這個對農民也是很吃虧的一點啊能不能去整合這個平台 伯定\n869088\t883573\t我跟委員報告我們現在的平台就是說後續有一些我們包括我們主動用航照拍攝的那如果說它已經有一個很明確的災損我們放在後台所以我們現在跟後台的工作做借接\n884213\t912995\t那公所在申請的時候他有時候如果農民沒有辦法拿APP的相片的時候那我們也可以主動提供一些我們所掌握的資訊給他們那這樣的話就可以能夠加速他的一個審核能夠不到現場去能夠從照片上看得出來的話盡量去處理但是公所本身的同仁有時候會擔心沒去看他會緊張啦所以這個部分我們已經在法裡面規定了可以用科學的依據提供相關的災損的認定\n915950\t944883\t我想時間關心最後一個問題就針對台電的問題這一次風災我們看到電感受損非常嚴重剛剛看那個王定樂有特別提醒平二公路我們就是因為做了一個電纜地下化的一個工程所以恆春半島這幾次經過風災都沒有受到影響但是我們沿海鄉鎮包含這個容易受清洗颱風清洗的一些縣市我想電纜地下化一定是要刻不容緩要進行\n970786\t970806\t好 謝謝\n975538\t977963\t好 謝謝徐副葵委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝\n","txt":"好 接下來我們請登記第七號徐富奎委員質詢張家俊委員請準備謝謝主席 我們有請左院長還有陳政委麻煩再請左院長 陳政委備詢\n徐院長好院長好 政委好大家辛苦了\n我想院長我印象很深刻去年我們也遭逢了好幾個颱風院長也有特別到屏東尤其是山陀颱風造成屏東一些農損還有特別是我們仿寮大莊的海堤破損在院長的指示下我當場也要求我們水利署在今年4月份我們已經把破損的海堤修補完成\n沿岸的離岸體的部分也加高加寬所以我想經過這一次的颱風我想我們的鄉親都很安心這點也是我特別要跟院長說明的院長 過去因為我們\n中央我們有災害應變中心跟災防辦我們縣市政府也有成立指揮中心我們的公所當然我們非六都也有鄉鎮公所的一個編制從中央到縣市政府到鄉鎮公所的一個針對災害的一個防救整合的一個系統我想過去我們也演練了很多次也應對了很多次但是這一次當然我們還是有發現一些\n這個我們應該可以來做一個檢討當然我們是希望大家都沒有希望有天災的發生但是一旦造成的時候怎麼樣用最快的速度來處理這個災害的傷害讓我們的鄉親能夠早日重建家園我想這個目標應該是院長同意這個說法院長我想我們看一下我們隔壁的日本最近石泡沫\n是破茂的首相\n他宣布在6月6號宣布在2026年要成立一個防災廳應該是他也有感於這個我們現在極端氣候的一個影響那院長我知道當然我們目前我們各部會都有針對防災有一個因應的一個作為但是有沒有可能針對這樣的一個極端氣候像我們屏東上禮拜一禮拜就一年的候量啦非常的恐怖有沒有辦法針對這樣極端氣候我們未來成立一個防災部的一個專責單位來因應這樣的一個挑戰\n是 報告委員經過這麼多年來數次的不管是颱風 地震或是大型的災害我們累積的救災的經驗我們現在已經完整把它放在包括中央跟地方的應變中心跟所有的防救災機制裡面我們也訓練了很多的防災室也成立了很多的自主社區那這個是限制的如果現在真的因為應變這個極端氣候大家認為不足\n還有進一步的規劃行政院願意來做這樣的討論甚至我們請政委就這個前進指揮所現在的經驗跟中央應變中心之間的關係我們做這樣的討論未來把它形成一個更強韌堅固的防災體系謝謝委員提出這樣的國外有好的經驗我們當然願意來學習那政委就是最近您自己到雲嘉南救災的經驗覺得有哪邊部分是真的我們可以再強化的部分\n像屏東去年的風災那個土堤有破損那這個是行政院會責成公共工程委員會開立專案那麼接受這個各有災損公共設施的縣市政府提報經過審議之後那麼使用特統會協助各縣市來把這個災損做好\n這一次因為是受損的戶數太多了比方說三、四萬戶的民宅它的屋頂或者牆壁受損因為老舊房屋所以才特別來訂定特別條例特別預算來協助修復\n我剛才說的是前進指揮所是災後復原的前進指揮所進駐當地在風災後趕快來協助重建但是這次因為颱風之後連續幾天都是西南氣流 都是大雨所以在那個情況之下說要去做屋頂等等都是相當困難\n還好是有很多志工或者是其他的團體去協助簡單的蓋一下帆布所以並不是說行政院指揮所設立太慢因為事實上每個風災在每個地方政府台南市嘉峪市他自己就會成立一級的災防應變中心\n那這個災防應變中心裡面國軍同樣是在縣市政府的災防應變中心裡面本來就有協助說不會說有太慢的問題所以我們特別跟這個委員來報告如果說屏東的部分那等這個特別條例通過之後那麼在依據受損的狀況我們就先請院來核定做這個災區的宣告那就可以應用這個特別預算\n來進行相關的災損的復原我想這邊我也跟院長報告我們一定來進行特別條例因為我想我們要怎麼樣強迫我們防災的一個韌性我想特別條例我們一定還有多少做不到的地方我們希望藉由特別條例來強迫我們一個防災的一個需求\n那政委請問 院長那我想我還是要針對屏東的一些需求部分要跟院長請命你也是我們鄉親的基台我想我們過去這個我們治水有八年八百億六年六百億那在這十幾年的時候 屏東縣\n因為我們很積極在爭取這樣一個治山防火的預算所以我想經過這幾年我們看得出來我們不說完全沒有問題但是這個淹水的問題已經大幅改善但是還是有一些地方仍顯不足比如說像是\n院長 我在意的部分那天我們去訪寮你也看到我們沿海離岸體很假因為這個都已經做了很久那個浪一打上來根本都沒有達到沒辦法達到一個防護的功能我當時我也要求我們水利署\n應該要全面檢視我們沿海地區的一個離岸體的一個設置甚至要加高加固但是目前只有看到這薄荷苗是不是因為經費用到的關係我想這部分院長應該要特別再攪拌一下我想這個是海岸防衛韌性很重要的一環\n那第二個部分就是針對我們這個這個抽水機的部分因為我們有移動式的抽水機就是要因應這個不同的區域但是我們抽水機也很舊了有些需要汰換那還有一些固定式的抽水站那因為過去的設計的CMS量不夠大\n那我們也提出一個汰換的計畫但是因為卡到這個預算的問題院長這邊是不是可以承諾給水利署最大的支持這補充也在那我們正在優先處理這個離岸體跟抽水站抽水機的汰換問題好 謝謝謝謝委員從過年八年八百億六年六百億到前瞻基礎建設我們確實改善了一些地區\n程度已經慢慢的在下降但沒有辦法全然改善所以今年我們系統性治水從淨流分擔 出流管制以及在地製洪三道策略來做希望水從河川出來的時候我們有第二道防線不要進到社區另外\n內水要能夠出去 所以要加強這個抽排的能力抽水機 抽水站 更加強到出海口讓內河能夠出去 這個是今年該做的但是我們看到這樣子還有很多屬於末端的縣市館的甚至野溪大型的 目前還沒有辦法整治所以經濟部水利署已經提出了一個四年一千億的縣市館河川改善計畫\n那個計畫我希望能夠補過去這一段時間做的工作的不足能夠把這些內水排得出去 抽水機抽水站能夠把它加強 加多 加大同時我們現在系統性治水能夠更有效率來執行那我希望達到的效率就是最小的淹水面積 最快的退水時間 最高的安全標準\n我剛剛舉的那個例子就是剛剛院長提的我們現在平原很多的水一滴就來滴三滴啦 尤其山區下了兩千多公里的水那過去我們就發現到山區下來因為我們現在管轄的單位從上游 中游 下游 都不一樣那我們過去因為各唱各的調\n這些上游有可能林務局也好或是這個水保署也好他們做了一部分中游有可能是我們中央管的河川甚至我們這個縣管的河川到下游有農田水利會的\n對 農水署還有縣政府的管理的一些甚至一些是鄉鎮公所那造成大家在整治計畫沒辦法做一個完整性的一個治理計畫這到一半 有的地方垮 有的地方黑根本達不到所謂一個防洪排洪的一個效果我真的覺得這個我們要痛病思痛院長 有沒辦法做一個專責的一個集單位來列管這個案子真的把這樣的一個從山上到平原到除外口整個整治計畫能夠做一個完整的配套\n我們在水利署 經濟部水利署跟農業部的農水署都是這樣的專責機構那從七種性試水已經從這個源頭的3G的演習部分開始來整治那我剛剛提到的未來4年1000億的預算那是針對縣市管河川\n改善計畫我們過去做的比較中央管理的河川縣市管理河川都是縣市來做申請東方來補助我們希望這一次能夠用中央集體的力量把縣市管理河川也一併把它改善納入整個系統性治水當中銜接過來希望能夠解決目前在遺留的這些問題我們最近也發現有一個很不錯的一個治理的計畫叫做治洪池\n在地滯洪因為我們發現因為我們的水量一下子沒辦法去把它阻擋直接會到我們的城鎮造成淹水問題如果我們在鄰近找一個比較寬闊的地方先做一個滯洪池再用抽水的部分把它處理掉\n那這個成效是非常非常的大那我們目前屏東也有好幾個自動池都已經做好了那也謝謝中央的支持但是我覺得我還是要再提一次大潮州人工湖的必要性尤其是對我們整個屏東這個是能夠續航水量也是達到一個防洪很重要的一個案子那這個案子因為一直在審理這部分的問請院長要支持這一定要做啦 這要重要啦\n好的 謝謝 這個委員我們積極把它納入未來的計畫當中因為第一期已經完成了 第二期真的院長上次我們去談過了 對 謝謝\n陳部長 我接著就要講農損的問題我知道你很緊張在處理這段時間我也一直跟你打電話有在聯繫一些事情但是我們現在還是有發現到這個鼓勵我們山坨的時候速度很快但是近年我發現可能大家顧慮的層面比較多那有時候在這個勘栽公告這個程序上面\n都會有比較多的考慮啦所以變成今天說到這個某一個鄉鎮單一作物這個鄉鎮有別的作物事實上這個作物是跨區的很多地方都沒有我們鄉親就在問說為什麼只有那一區有我整個怎麼會沒有我真的是建議說如果真的是災害是屬於大規模的農損應該是不是考慮用全區全品項的方式讓我們的這個基層的同仁也有一個遵循的依據\n部長你回答一下好不好我跟委員報告這次的因為最主要是屏東最主要是大嶼的部分然後我們第一次做做主動公告已經比過去的一般地方政府來至少省了七天左右那我們在主動公告的時候會跟輕重緩急有關就是說靠近山區的部分我們會做第一波的公告然後頂多差一天或兩天才會延伸到平地有一些可能淹水的部分這個部分我想\n如果造成農民覺得說義務利益說有沒有開放那後續我們會再來改進但是全品項的開放可能要他的天氣的參數或者是他的災困的情況達到一定程度以後才會去用全品項來公告\n院長部長 我想我還是要提醒就是說因為我們現在有可能是不是單一的一個作物或單一個的時節我們現在很多叫做重複性甚至叫磁發性的一個災害這咱的同仁也很辛苦啦這個有時候民意代表常常要約我們鄉困難農政單位的同仁不是在會堪啦\n那大家又要做這個後續的一些行政作業的處理真的是對大家真的都很辛苦我是建議說大家能不能還是那個原則從寬從速從簡這個標準之下能夠去簡化一些流程讓鄉親能夠趕快去復耕趕快重建家園這個部分我想這個部分真的農業部還是要來做一下檢討啦\n尤其 伯定 我也要跟你提醒我們整個APP的那個下載真的太低了啦你要叫這些東北市都用APP真的很困難啊然後第一線的鄉鎮公所他們都要等到我們上面確認之後才能夠開始去申報這個對農民也是很吃虧的一點啊能不能去整合這個平台 伯定\n我跟委員報告我們現在的平台就是說後續有一些我們包括我們主動用航照拍攝的那如果說它已經有一個很明確的災損我們放在後台所以我們現在跟後台的工作做借接\n那公所在申請的時候他有時候如果農民沒有辦法拿APP的相片的時候那我們也可以主動提供一些我們所掌握的資訊給他們那這樣的話就可以能夠加速他的一個審核能夠不到現場去能夠從照片上看得出來的話盡量去處理但是公所本身的同仁有時候會擔心沒去看他會緊張啦所以這個部分我們已經在法裡面規定了可以用科學的依據提供相關的災損的認定\n我想時間關心最後一個問題就針對台電的問題這一次風災我們看到電感受損非常嚴重剛剛看那個王定樂有特別提醒平二公路我們就是因為做了一個電纜地下化的一個工程所以恆春半島這幾次經過風災都沒有受到影響但是我們沿海鄉鎮包含這個容易受清洗颱風清洗的一些縣市我想電纜地下化一定是要刻不容緩要進行\n好 謝謝\n好 謝謝徐副葵委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長的備詢 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.578 --> 00:29.075\n好接下來我們請登記第七號徐富奎委員質詢張家俊委員請準備謝謝主席我們有請左院長還有陳政委麻煩再請左院長陳政委備詢\n\n00:39.969 --> 00:44.142\n徐院長好院長好政委好大家辛苦了\n\n00:45.075 --> 01:13.144\n我想院長我印象很深刻去年我們也遭逢了好幾個颱風院長也有特別到屏東尤其是山陀颱風造成屏東一些農損還有特別是我們仿寮大莊的海堤破損在院長的指示下我當場也要求我們水利署在今年4月份我們已經把破損的海堤修補完成\n\n01:14.424 --> 01:26.132\n沿岸的離岸體的部分也加高加寬所以我想經過這一次的颱風我想我們的鄉親都很安心這點也是我特別要跟院長說明的院長過去因為我們\n\n01:30.554 --> 01:56.648\n中央我們有災害應變中心跟災防辦我們縣市政府也有成立指揮中心我們的公所當然我們非六都也有鄉鎮公所的一個編制從中央到縣市政府到鄉鎮公所的一個針對災害的一個防救整合的一個系統我想過去我們也演練了很多次也應對了很多次但是這一次當然我們還是有發現一些\n\n01:57.828 --> 02:26.003\n這個我們應該可以來做一個檢討當然我們是希望大家都沒有希望有天災的發生但是一旦造成的時候怎麼樣用最快的速度來處理這個災害的傷害讓我們的鄉親能夠早日重建家園我想這個目標應該是院長同意這個說法院長我想我們看一下我們隔壁的日本最近石泡沫\n\n02:27.137 --> 02:27.964\n是破茂的首相\n\n02:28.510 --> 02:56.623\n他宣布在6月6號宣布在2026年要成立一個防災廳應該是他也有感於這個我們現在極端氣候的一個影響那院長我知道當然我們目前我們各部會都有針對防災有一個因應的一個作為但是有沒有可能針對這樣的一個極端氣候像我們屏東上禮拜一禮拜就一年的候量啦非常的恐怖有沒有辦法針對這樣極端氣候我們未來成立一個防災部的一個專責單位來因應這樣的一個挑戰\n\n02:57.757 --> 03:21.016\n是報告委員經過這麼多年來數次的不管是颱風地震或是大型的災害我們累積的救災的經驗我們現在已經完整把它放在包括中央跟地方的應變中心跟所有的防救災機制裡面我們也訓練了很多的防災室也成立了很多的自主社區那這個是限制的如果現在真的因為應變這個極端氣候大家認為不足\n\n03:23.238 --> 03:49.210\n還有進一步的規劃行政院願意來做這樣的討論甚至我們請政委就這個前進指揮所現在的經驗跟中央應變中心之間的關係我們做這樣的討論未來把它形成一個更強韌堅固的防災體系謝謝委員提出這樣的國外有好的經驗我們當然願意來學習那政委就是最近您自己到雲嘉南救災的經驗覺得有哪邊部分是真的我們可以再強化的部分\n\n03:50.243 --> 04:14.233\n像屏東去年的風災那個土堤有破損那這個是行政院會責成公共工程委員會開立專案那麼接受這個各有災損公共設施的縣市政府提報經過審議之後那麼使用特統會協助各縣市來把這個災損做好\n\n04:15.013 --> 04:33.291\n這一次因為是受損的戶數太多了比方說三、四萬戶的民宅它的屋頂或者牆壁受損因為老舊房屋所以才特別來訂定特別條例特別預算來協助修復\n\n04:35.152 --> 04:57.651\n我剛才說的是前進指揮所是災後復原的前進指揮所進駐當地在風災後趕快來協助重建但是這次因為颱風之後連續幾天都是西南氣流都是大雨所以在那個情況之下說要去做屋頂等等都是相當困難\n\n04:58.411 --> 05:19.091\n還好是有很多志工或者是其他的團體去協助簡單的蓋一下帆布所以並不是說行政院指揮所設立太慢因為事實上每個風災在每個地方政府台南市嘉峪市他自己就會成立一級的災防應變中心\n\n05:19.631 --> 05:49.314\n那這個災防應變中心裡面國軍同樣是在縣市政府的災防應變中心裡面本來就有協助說不會說有太慢的問題所以我們特別跟這個委員來報告如果說屏東的部分那等這個特別條例通過之後那麼在依據受損的狀況我們就先請院來核定做這個災區的宣告那就可以應用這個特別預算\n\n05:50.275 --> 06:08.027\n來進行相關的災損的復原我想這邊我也跟院長報告我們一定來進行特別條例因為我想我們要怎麼樣強迫我們防災的一個韌性我想特別條例我們一定還有多少做不到的地方我們希望藉由特別條例來強迫我們一個防災的一個需求\n\n06:08.647 --> 06:25.194\n那政委請問院長那我想我還是要針對屏東的一些需求部分要跟院長請命你也是我們鄉親的基台我想我們過去這個我們治水有八年八百億六年六百億那在這十幾年的時候屏東縣\n\n06:26.014 --> 06:42.991\n因為我們很積極在爭取這樣一個治山防火的預算所以我想經過這幾年我們看得出來我們不說完全沒有問題但是這個淹水的問題已經大幅改善但是還是有一些地方仍顯不足比如說像是\n\n06:43.832 --> 07:01.461\n院長我在意的部分那天我們去訪寮你也看到我們沿海離岸體很假因為這個都已經做了很久那個浪一打上來根本都沒有達到沒辦法達到一個防護的功能我當時我也要求我們水利署\n\n07:02.128 --> 07:18.643\n應該要全面檢視我們沿海地區的一個離岸體的一個設置甚至要加高加固但是目前只有看到這薄荷苗是不是因為經費用到的關係我想這部分院長應該要特別再攪拌一下我想這個是海岸防衛韌性很重要的一環\n\n07:19.784 --> 07:37.979\n那第二個部分就是針對我們這個這個抽水機的部分因為我們有移動式的抽水機就是要因應這個不同的區域但是我們抽水機也很舊了有些需要汰換那還有一些固定式的抽水站那因為過去的設計的CMS量不夠大\n\n07:38.539 --> 07:58.673\n那我們也提出一個汰換的計畫但是因為卡到這個預算的問題院長這邊是不是可以承諾給水利署最大的支持這補充也在那我們正在優先處理這個離岸體跟抽水站抽水機的汰換問題好謝謝謝謝委員從過年八年八百億六年六百億到前瞻基礎建設我們確實改善了一些地區\n\n07:59.614 --> 08:16.416\n程度已經慢慢的在下降但沒有辦法全然改善所以今年我們系統性治水從淨流分擔出流管制以及在地製洪三道策略來做希望水從河川出來的時候我們有第二道防線不要進到社區另外\n\n08:17.217 --> 08:40.810\n內水要能夠出去所以要加強這個抽排的能力抽水機抽水站更加強到出海口讓內河能夠出去這個是今年該做的但是我們看到這樣子還有很多屬於末端的縣市館的甚至野溪大型的目前還沒有辦法整治所以經濟部水利署已經提出了一個四年一千億的縣市館河川改善計畫\n\n08:41.957 --> 09:03.733\n那個計畫我希望能夠補過去這一段時間做的工作的不足能夠把這些內水排得出去抽水機抽水站能夠把它加強加多加大同時我們現在系統性治水能夠更有效率來執行那我希望達到的效率就是最小的淹水面積最快的退水時間最高的安全標準\n\n09:04.860 --> 09:26.529\n我剛剛舉的那個例子就是剛剛院長提的我們現在平原很多的水一滴就來滴三滴啦尤其山區下了兩千多公里的水那過去我們就發現到山區下來因為我們現在管轄的單位從上游中游下游都不一樣那我們過去因為各唱各的調\n\n09:27.833 --> 09:40.539\n這些上游有可能林務局也好或是這個水保署也好他們做了一部分中游有可能是我們中央管的河川甚至我們這個縣管的河川到下游有農田水利會的\n\n09:43.511 --> 10:11.945\n對農水署還有縣政府的管理的一些甚至一些是鄉鎮公所那造成大家在整治計畫沒辦法做一個完整性的一個治理計畫這到一半有的地方垮有的地方黑根本達不到所謂一個防洪排洪的一個效果我真的覺得這個我們要痛病思痛院長有沒辦法做一個專責的一個集單位來列管這個案子真的把這樣的一個從山上到平原到除外口整個整治計畫能夠做一個完整的配套\n\n10:12.685 --> 10:31.294\n我們在水利署經濟部水利署跟農業部的農水署都是這樣的專責機構那從七種性試水已經從這個源頭的3G的演習部分開始來整治那我剛剛提到的未來4年1000億的預算那是針對縣市管河川\n\n10:31.934 --> 10:54.020\n改善計畫我們過去做的比較中央管理的河川縣市管理河川都是縣市來做申請東方來補助我們希望這一次能夠用中央集體的力量把縣市管理河川也一併把它改善納入整個系統性治水當中銜接過來希望能夠解決目前在遺留的這些問題我們最近也發現有一個很不錯的一個治理的計畫叫做治洪池\n\n10:54.892 --> 11:10.554\n在地滯洪因為我們發現因為我們的水量一下子沒辦法去把它阻擋直接會到我們的城鎮造成淹水問題如果我們在鄰近找一個比較寬闊的地方先做一個滯洪池再用抽水的部分把它處理掉\n\n11:11.175 --> 11:34.985\n那這個成效是非常非常的大那我們目前屏東也有好幾個自動池都已經做好了那也謝謝中央的支持但是我覺得我還是要再提一次大潮州人工湖的必要性尤其是對我們整個屏東這個是能夠續航水量也是達到一個防洪很重要的一個案子那這個案子因為一直在審理這部分的問請院長要支持這一定要做啦這要重要啦\n\n11:36.209 --> 11:43.547\n好的謝謝這個委員我們積極把它納入未來的計畫當中因為第一期已經完成了第二期真的院長上次我們去談過了對謝謝\n\n11:46.992 --> 12:11.293\n陳部長我接著就要講農損的問題我知道你很緊張在處理這段時間我也一直跟你打電話有在聯繫一些事情但是我們現在還是有發現到這個鼓勵我們山坨的時候速度很快但是近年我發現可能大家顧慮的層面比較多那有時候在這個勘栽公告這個程序上面\n\n12:12.034 --> 12:39.100\n都會有比較多的考慮啦所以變成今天說到這個某一個鄉鎮單一作物這個鄉鎮有別的作物事實上這個作物是跨區的很多地方都沒有我們鄉親就在問說為什麼只有那一區有我整個怎麼會沒有我真的是建議說如果真的是災害是屬於大規模的農損應該是不是考慮用全區全品項的方式讓我們的這個基層的同仁也有一個遵循的依據\n\n12:40.328 --> 13:09.708\n部長你回答一下好不好我跟委員報告這次的因為最主要是屏東最主要是大嶼的部分然後我們第一次做做主動公告已經比過去的一般地方政府來至少省了七天左右那我們在主動公告的時候會跟輕重緩急有關就是說靠近山區的部分我們會做第一波的公告然後頂多差一天或兩天才會延伸到平地有一些可能淹水的部分這個部分我想\n\n13:10.388 --> 13:25.917\n如果造成農民覺得說義務利益說有沒有開放那後續我們會再來改進但是全品項的開放可能要他的天氣的參數或者是他的災困的情況達到一定程度以後才會去用全品項來公告\n\n13:27.745 --> 13:46.238\n院長部長我想我還是要提醒就是說因為我們現在有可能是不是單一的一個作物或單一個的時節我們現在很多叫做重複性甚至叫磁發性的一個災害這咱的同仁也很辛苦啦這個有時候民意代表常常要約我們鄉困難農政單位的同仁不是在會堪啦\n\n13:46.658 --> 14:06.296\n那大家又要做這個後續的一些行政作業的處理真的是對大家真的都很辛苦我是建議說大家能不能還是那個原則從寬從速從簡這個標準之下能夠去簡化一些流程讓鄉親能夠趕快去復耕趕快重建家園這個部分我想這個部分真的農業部還是要來做一下檢討啦\n\n14:07.506 --> 14:28.168\n尤其伯定我也要跟你提醒我們整個APP的那個下載真的太低了啦你要叫這些東北市都用APP真的很困難啊然後第一線的鄉鎮公所他們都要等到我們上面確認之後才能夠開始去申報這個對農民也是很吃虧的一點啊能不能去整合這個平台伯定\n\n14:29.088 --> 14:43.573\n我跟委員報告我們現在的平台就是說後續有一些我們包括我們主動用航照拍攝的那如果說它已經有一個很明確的災損我們放在後台所以我們現在跟後台的工作做借接\n\n14:44.213 --> 15:12.995\n那公所在申請的時候他有時候如果農民沒有辦法拿APP的相片的時候那我們也可以主動提供一些我們所掌握的資訊給他們那這樣的話就可以能夠加速他的一個審核能夠不到現場去能夠從照片上看得出來的話盡量去處理但是公所本身的同仁有時候會擔心沒去看他會緊張啦所以這個部分我們已經在法裡面規定了可以用科學的依據提供相關的災損的認定\n\n15:15.950 --> 15:44.883\n我想時間關心最後一個問題就針對台電的問題這一次風災我們看到電感受損非常嚴重剛剛看那個王定樂有特別提醒平二公路我們就是因為做了一個電纜地下化的一個工程所以恆春半島這幾次經過風災都沒有受到影響但是我們沿海鄉鎮包含這個容易受清洗颱風清洗的一些縣市我想電纜地下化一定是要刻不容緩要進行\n\n16:10.786 --> 16:10.806\n好謝謝\n\n16:15.538 --> 16:17.963\n好謝謝徐副葵委員的資訊謝謝卓院長相關部會首長的備詢謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":3.578,"end":29.075,"text":"好 接下來我們請登記第七號徐富奎委員質詢張家俊委員請準備謝謝主席 我們有請左院長還有陳政委麻煩再請左院長 陳政委備詢"},{"start":39.969,"end":44.142,"text":"徐院長好院長好 政委好大家辛苦了"},{"start":45.075,"end":73.144,"text":"我想院長我印象很深刻去年我們也遭逢了好幾個颱風院長也有特別到屏東尤其是山陀颱風造成屏東一些農損還有特別是我們仿寮大莊的海堤破損在院長的指示下我當場也要求我們水利署在今年4月份我們已經把破損的海堤修補完成"},{"start":74.424,"end":86.132,"text":"沿岸的離岸體的部分也加高加寬所以我想經過這一次的颱風我想我們的鄉親都很安心這點也是我特別要跟院長說明的院長 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我接著就要講農損的問題我知道你很緊張在處理這段時間我也一直跟你打電話有在聯繫一些事情但是我們現在還是有發現到這個鼓勵我們山坨的時候速度很快但是近年我發現可能大家顧慮的層面比較多那有時候在這個勘栽公告這個程序上面"},{"start":732.034,"end":759.1,"text":"都會有比較多的考慮啦所以變成今天說到這個某一個鄉鎮單一作物這個鄉鎮有別的作物事實上這個作物是跨區的很多地方都沒有我們鄉親就在問說為什麼只有那一區有我整個怎麼會沒有我真的是建議說如果真的是災害是屬於大規模的農損應該是不是考慮用全區全品項的方式讓我們的這個基層的同仁也有一個遵循的依據"},{"start":760.328,"end":789.708,"text":"部長你回答一下好不好我跟委員報告這次的因為最主要是屏東最主要是大嶼的部分然後我們第一次做做主動公告已經比過去的一般地方政府來至少省了七天左右那我們在主動公告的時候會跟輕重緩急有關就是說靠近山區的部分我們會做第一波的公告然後頂多差一天或兩天才會延伸到平地有一些可能淹水的部分這個部分我想"},{"start":790.388,"end":805.917,"text":"如果造成農民覺得說義務利益說有沒有開放那後續我們會再來改進但是全品項的開放可能要他的天氣的參數或者是他的災困的情況達到一定程度以後才會去用全品項來公告"},{"start":807.745,"end":826.238,"text":"院長部長 我想我還是要提醒就是說因為我們現在有可能是不是單一的一個作物或單一個的時節我們現在很多叫做重複性甚至叫磁發性的一個災害這咱的同仁也很辛苦啦這個有時候民意代表常常要約我們鄉困難農政單位的同仁不是在會堪啦"},{"start":826.658,"end":846.296,"text":"那大家又要做這個後續的一些行政作業的處理真的是對大家真的都很辛苦我是建議說大家能不能還是那個原則從寬從速從簡這個標準之下能夠去簡化一些流程讓鄉親能夠趕快去復耕趕快重建家園這個部分我想這個部分真的農業部還是要來做一下檢討啦"},{"start":847.506,"end":868.168,"text":"尤其 伯定 我也要跟你提醒我們整個APP的那個下載真的太低了啦你要叫這些東北市都用APP真的很困難啊然後第一線的鄉鎮公所他們都要等到我們上面確認之後才能夠開始去申報這個對農民也是很吃虧的一點啊能不能去整合這個平台 伯定"},{"start":869.088,"end":883.573,"text":"我跟委員報告我們現在的平台就是說後續有一些我們包括我們主動用航照拍攝的那如果說它已經有一個很明確的災損我們放在後台所以我們現在跟後台的工作做借接"},{"start":884.213,"end":912.995,"text":"那公所在申請的時候他有時候如果農民沒有辦法拿APP的相片的時候那我們也可以主動提供一些我們所掌握的資訊給他們那這樣的話就可以能夠加速他的一個審核能夠不到現場去能夠從照片上看得出來的話盡量去處理但是公所本身的同仁有時候會擔心沒去看他會緊張啦所以這個部分我們已經在法裡面規定了可以用科學的依據提供相關的災損的認定"},{"start":915.95,"end":944.883,"text":"我想時間關心最後一個問題就針對台電的問題這一次風災我們看到電感受損非常嚴重剛剛看那個王定樂有特別提醒平二公路我們就是因為做了一個電纜地下化的一個工程所以恆春半島這幾次經過風災都沒有受到影響但是我們沿海鄉鎮包含這個容易受清洗颱風清洗的一些縣市我想電纜地下化一定是要刻不容緩要進行"},{"start":970.786,"end":970.806,"text":"好 謝謝"},{"start":975.538,"end":977.963,"text":"好 謝謝徐副葵委員的資訊謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長的備詢 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林岱樺","羅智強","劉建國","黃建賓"],"page_start":41,"meetingDate":["2025-08-12"],"gazette_id":"1147001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147001_00003","1147001_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第24次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長提出「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」專案報告並備質詢─ 詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147001_00006"}}}