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00:02:33,982\n我也誤會我那天並沒有到其他地方那天本來排定了地區但是因為還跟地方接觸過程當中沒有排得很順暢所以就沒有過去看災啦對院長我跟您確認一下苗栗的報告一下苗栗的狀況就農業部8月5號的統計顯示這是苗栗風災的災損農損金高達一千多萬元\n\n9\n00:02:41,887 --> 00:03:01,934\n全台農損排名第六名屏東台中高雄嘉義南投這前五名都進了可是唯獨苗栗沒有進入但是當然我也要謝謝農業部農業部已經把我們苗栗的農損部分已經馬上做了處理每公頃是補助8萬元但我現在發現一個問題就是說\n\n10\n00:03:05,635 --> 00:03:28,891\n我們這八萬元是補給我們農民之前的損失嘛對不對這一年來的辛苦他已經就化為泡沫了那現在碰到一個問題就是說這些弱果跟一些還在殘留在樹上的這些果實他現在開始天氣放晴之後開始爛了開始臭了開始這個有這個病媒蚊啊長蟲了\n\n11\n00:03:30,332 --> 00:03:48,307\n這部分我有請教過農業部也請教過環境部這兩個部會都沒有科目可以來補助院長你可不可以承諾把這個部分也納入清除的部分我想說這個農業廢棄物的清除的部分也納入這一次的特別條例裡面\n\n12\n00:03:49,219 --> 00:04:08,222\n等一下請部長報告就算沒有納入災區就算他原來的災損以及後續的作為農業部還是有災損準備金等等可以來因應他只是沒有進到特別條例特別預算裡面因為他們沒有科目農業部跟環境部都沒有這個科目他們想幫忙也幫不了你懂我意思嗎\n\n13\n00:04:08,963 --> 00:04:33,515\n我跟委員報告像我舉個例子就像紅棗那紅棗有的在樹上有的在已經掉到地上了那我們也曾經問過一些紅棗的果農其實他們也不願意人家因為有些東西他們還可以做加工用那如果說這些果園的清除他要把這個清除物移到他的果園固定的位置的話那我們會跟那個環境部一起現在就是清除的問題\n\n14\n00:04:34,335 --> 00:04:52,547\n他有些東西可以用沒有但是我看到這一次的災損他其實都已經八成以上不能用了你說要再曬成紅棗乾那幾乎不太可能那當然你有講到說農民不希望人家進去他的果園那現在就是他還是要請人去處理你給他這一公頃八萬塊剛好清理完了他就沒了\n\n15\n00:04:53,027 --> 00:05:15,714\n我想要跟委員報告我們天然災害救助是一個救助的精神去協助它盡快的復耕您剛才講的果園的清除的部分有一些它如果必須的時候也許我們會透過一些農會的系統來個案的協助因為我們也問過非常多的果農他們自己也願意做加工你要怎麼協助你直接講好了\n\n16\n00:05:16,014 --> 00:05:37,432\n我舉個例子我們之前在文旦的部分我們就號召了一些青龍有沒有他們可以來協助他他如果真的需要我們可以來號召所以這個部分等於說類似社區自住的話我們要找誰經費從哪裡來這個不需要特別的經費我們用號召的方式可以來處理一些如果真的需要特別他年紀大的你這樣講我聽不太懂\n\n17\n00:05:38,132 --> 00:06:04,534\n不是我想有一些年輕的我號召那麼久都沒有人不是我要跟委員報告有一些年紀大的人他比較困難的部分我們就會來協助有一些年紀輕的人他對於已經落下的這些果實我講真的是很籠統我希望你納入之後你要有一些其實費用不是很多院長在這個560億裡面其實那個占比是非常非常小的\n\n18\n00:06:05,254 --> 00:06:32,139\n那我希望你體現一下農民我不講苗栗喔這個其他地方也會發生其他的水梨啊葡萄啊這些都會受到影響都會有同樣的這個問題發生是不是我們一定要納入當然你要符合規定符合這一次的這個封災特別條例的規定裡面你如果符合我們就給你協助嘛各位委員即便是非災區部分當然是颱風受到災損的農損各方面\n\n19\n00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:53,173\n工程會是有一個專案的他只要報到這個專案來我們又可以用特統的經費來予補助真的是沒有問題的可以嗎你把清除費用拿進去可以嗎工程會在針對丹納斯颱風有公告一個專案各縣市政府相關公共設施或相關的受損那麼可以向工程會來提出\n\n20\n00:06:53,713 --> 00:07:09,470\n農業部分清除也有嗎經過審查之後會核定到時候就會有用統籌分配稅款來處理你不是用救災條例啊雖然沒有在這個條例裡面同時可以用專案來處理\n\n21\n00:07:10,933 --> 00:07:39,823\n就是非災區也可以用這個專案來處理好啦那希望說這個我剛剛講三個重點就是農業廢棄物的清除跟苗栗的納入還有我們苗栗縣還有一件事情就是我們泰安鄉62-1縣這728好雨過後然後過了幾天發生攤方結果壓死了兩個我們苗栗的鄉親其實那一條路一直以來去年我也有請我們交通部也下去考察過\n\n22\n00:07:41,866 --> 00:07:55,578\n當時看的是62線所以那一條路其實一直以來都是非常危險希望我們院長也能夠盡快的來協助我們這個比較常常發生意外的這些地方來盡快做協助好嗎\n\n23\n00:07:56,670 --> 00:08:10,658\n我也請交通部進一步了解之後我們試狀況來跟地方做溝通來解決問題那院長我再請問一下災後特別條例編列了560億那各部會佔這個估算的分配金額是大概是多少\n\n24\n00:08:11,516 --> 00:08:28,666\n有這樣分配嗎我們有十大項分審在各部會裡面我們有沒有這個重建計畫有沒有提出重建計畫十大項裡面就是有一些復原的工作包括自來水水利家園農業電力跟電訊系統都有很多的相關的復原計畫\n\n25\n00:08:30,257 --> 00:08:46,624\n都有現在都已經做了嘛這個什麼重新計畫也做了嘛我們在條例通過之後我們會編特別預算那裡面的計畫就會更明確就會寫得更清楚嘛會再通到大院來審議我們823的罷免行政院有沒有派人派支援派部會去這個系統去支援\n\n26\n00:08:48,305 --> 00:09:06,243\n823的罷免案行政跟罷免從來沒有投入我們衛福部的次長為什麼頂著衛福部次長的頭銜公開跑去安撫這個罷團我要講這個意思是說他是行政的他是政務官那現在救災比較重要怎麼還有時間去搞這個罷免呢\n\n27\n00:09:13,414 --> 00:09:36,140\n院長你覺得這樣合適嗎市長的行程我在進一步來瞭解我們還是以政務以救災以政務的推動為主要其他的都不是在我們政務的範圍裡面因為現在才要開始救災希望你們一直認真下去因為重建這個路是非常漫長的當初我們院長\n\n28\n00:09:38,359 --> 00:09:52,291\n你說剛剛講到說這個重建計畫這個通過之後你們就會送過來嗎特別預算一定要送到大院來審理那盡快啦好不好好的謝謝另外我再請教我們這次颱風\n\n29\n00:09:55,694 --> 00:10:22,635\n我們光電板的災損大量集中在六個案場包括永興的興溫製紅池力生能源的漁電共生雲豹能源的漁電共生還有另外三個泰商投資的製紅池的案場這六個案場的災損量佔了整體災害的大多數我的問題很簡單清完了之後我請教院長你打算讓它原地復活嗎\n\n30\n00:10:26,398 --> 00:10:47,371\n他如果受損嘛對不對那現在重建之後你要再讓他原地復活嗎我到過兩個案場我們到過嘉義兩個案場去看有的業主他很積極在做這個善後的工作但有的業者就是比較慢我覺得對比較慢的業者如果他拿不出誠意出來我覺得我們沒有必要在公共政策上跟他做任何的配合\n\n31\n00:10:47,611 --> 00:11:02,789\n部長我請問你就是說我們國際上災後的光電暗場都有測出受損的光電板可能釋放鉛跟鎘這些重金屬所以我們這一次的這些現場的土地我們需不需要再做檢測\n\n32\n00:11:03,871 --> 00:11:22,670\n我們都兩個禮拜有監測一次那過去三次的數據裡面沒有任何我們災後都有監測目前沒有任何的重基礎的污染所以就不用再做檢查就對了我們會這一次的風災造成這麼大的影響那我們未來有沒有要重新檢視這個抗災的強度\n\n33\n00:11:24,793 --> 00:11:42,891\n因為我們有跟經濟部有提出我們建議針對大型的案場可能要來一個比較大的體檢例如說大型的可能有一兩百個那可能做一個體檢如果說他沒有安全疑慮例如說他的建築結構或是說他的清運防災等等如果沒有疑慮的話我們認為是可以放行的\n\n34\n00:11:43,806 --> 00:11:54,922\n所以你認為說已經不需要再做換變我認為是要重新再做體檢因為我好那我再問你他現在在復原之後那下一個颱風來又再造成這個今天這種狀況怎麼辦\n\n35\n00:11:56,429 --> 00:12:15,695\n基本上這一次其實就是只有在滯洪池上面其他的固定式的我們發現問題不大甚至有一些屋頂他們用太陽能這是他們的損失會包含在561裡面嗎基本不會那是他們自己要清運政府不用出一毛錢會補助他嗎不會完全不會完全沒有嗎完全沒有請大家放心\n\n36\n00:12:16,115 --> 00:12:28,122\n那我再來問就是雲報北門這個案場雲報能源跟恩富資本2022年底啟用說是全台最大的漁電共生這預估20年的收益將會200億也就是說每年10億\n\n37\n00:12:31,550 --> 00:12:54,969\n那它當然它還是全台第一件的光處合一的案場那經濟部能源署第一批結合光電儲能這個跟台電的標案就配電的標案是全台第一件那我想質問一下這麼高規格高產值高話題的案場結果颱風未來幾萬片全部都變成六大重災區的那當時我們北門和七谷都有停電紀錄對吧有嗎就當\n\n38\n00:12:59,973 --> 00:13:23,356\n但那是颱風當天雲豹的暗場現在我們應該都有在處理不是我是說當天那邊有停電嗎有沒有停電報委員其實我有現場看那個暗場其實那個暗場是固定式的它的災損沒有像這個餘溫的滯洪池的那麼嚴重\n\n39\n00:13:25,154 --> 00:13:42,177\n所以它當時沒有在災後周邊都沒有供過電它能不能供電它的儲能廠能不能供電基本上它的受損的情況沒有像新溫那幾個那麼嚴重所以它的電也沒有在做使用它儲能的電也沒有用\n\n40\n00:13:43,752 --> 00:14:00,040\n他的這個暗場因為不是在那個制宏池上面的他是在一般的這個土地上面我是說因為光電板已經翻了嘛對不對現在是停電嘛那他那個儲能廠到底有沒有發生作用有沒有供電他在那個地方儲能的話因為\n\n41\n00:14:01,428 --> 00:14:18,573\n因為他那個儲能沒有辦法把電送出去照理電線桿倒了這些還是可以用啊不是他就馬上可以發揮作用嗎不是他那個電要能夠送出去啊儲能的電要能夠送出去接台電所以我們報告委員現在我們未來啊會在這個地區上面實施這個智慧電網\n\n42\n00:14:19,733 --> 00:14:47,538\n也就是說在那個儲電的話就可以供給這個附近的這個我現在要講的就是這樣子就是說我們這個儲電廠當它發生狀況的時候就像這一次電感都倒了這個時候是不是能發揮作用讓附近的這個居民都有電用啊對將來會這樣將來會就像委員剛才所指教的這個部分來處理因為這個不然你這個儲電廠就等於白做了嘛不是嗎對是再來最後一個\n\n43\n00:14:51,243 --> 00:15:13,029\n我還是希望我們特別條例之前沒有法律效益在那邊拿著它是沒有辦法主張任何權益我希望院長能夠把內容加到我們條例裡面可以嗎哪一段的內容就是所有的所有的寫清楚\n\n44\n00:15:14,601 --> 00:15:27,392\n每一個補助的項目可以嗎我們會在特別預算當中清楚的把每一項都標示出來它有多少的預算的規模它裡面要怎麼執行都會向大院來提出做審議的好謝謝院長謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝邱政軍\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12802\t16287\t主席好 我們有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n26929\t48102\t所有人好 院長好這次我們院長辛苦了不管颱風刮在哪裡 豪雨下在哪裡都是在我們的土地受難的都是我們的鄉親所以立法院這一次在支持特別條例的唯一理由就是加速救助不拖延我們這次特別條例編列了560億\n50205\t65061\t那政院版部分直接說明在災區是台南 高雄 嘉義 屏東另外就是台中 彰化 南投 雲林的部分地區吧所以部長這些地方會適用特別條例吧\n65829\t80605\t跟我們報告我們在條例草案的第二條寫下說本條例所定的災區因為丹納斯颱風及7228豪雨後受創的地區這個會由未來的主管機關來加以\n81326\t100583\t就實際自災情況認定之後我現在要講的就是我們苗栗花蓮台東雖然當然這一次比較嚴重的是嘉義跟台南那其實這些鄉鎮這些縣市也都有一些的災損的部分那我們也希望說這個部分院長這邊能夠答應能夠把這幾個地區都列入將來由\n107445\t126767\t實際自災的情況由主管機關來認定之後只要他認定到符合到我們必須救助的這種範圍跟程度行政會就會來公告所謂的災區因為你當時8月2號說要到苗栗來勘災嘛後來臨時取消 當然我知道這個有其他地方比較嚴重所以我們也\n127708\t136273\t不敢占用你太多時間但我還是希望院長要把苗栗的範圍納進去救助一定要到人沒有到沒有關係\n137512\t153982\t我也誤會 我那天並沒有到其他地方那天本來排定了地區但是因為還跟地方接觸過程當中沒有排得很順暢所以就沒有過去看災啦對 院長我跟您確認一下苗栗的報告一下苗栗的狀況就農業部8月5號的統計顯示這是苗栗風災的災損農損金高達一千多萬元\n161887\t181934\t全台農損排名第六名屏東 台中 高雄 嘉義 南投這前五名都進了可是唯獨苗栗沒有進入但是當然我也要謝謝農業部農業部已經把我們苗栗的農損部分已經馬上做了處理每公頃是補助8萬元但我現在發現一個問題就是說\n185635\t208891\t我們這八萬元是補給我們農民之前的損失嘛對不對這一年來的辛苦他已經就化為泡沫了那現在碰到一個問題就是說這些弱果跟一些還在殘留在樹上的這些果實他現在開始天氣放晴之後開始爛了開始臭了開始這個有這個病媒蚊啊長蟲了\n210332\t228307\t這部分我有請教過農業部也請教過環境部這兩個部會都沒有科目可以來補助院長你可不可以承諾把這個部分也納入清除的部分我想說這個農業廢棄物的清除的部分也納入這一次的特別條例裡面\n229219\t248222\t等一下請部長報告 就算沒有納入災區就算他原來的災損以及後續的作為農業部還是有災損準備金等等可以來因應他只是沒有進到特別條例特別預算裡面因為他們沒有科目農業部跟環境部都沒有這個科目他們想幫忙也幫不了 你懂我意思嗎\n248963\t273515\t我跟委員報告像我舉個例子就像紅棗那紅棗有的在樹上有的在已經掉到地上了那我們也曾經問過一些紅棗的果農其實他們也不願意人家因為有些東西他們還可以做加工用那如果說這些果園的清除他要把這個清除物移到他的果園固定的位置的話那我們會跟那個環境部一起現在就是清除的問題\n274335\t292547\t他有些東西可以用沒有但是我看到這一次的災損他其實都已經八成以上不能用了你說要再曬成紅棗乾那幾乎不太可能那當然你有講到說農民不希望人家進去他的果園那現在就是他還是要請人去處理你給他這一公頃八萬塊剛好清理完了他就沒了\n293027\t315714\t我想要跟委員報告我們天然災害救助是一個救助的精神去協助它盡快的復耕您剛才講的果園的清除的部分有一些它如果必須的時候也許我們會透過一些農會的系統來個案的協助因為我們也問過非常多的果農他們自己也願意做加工你要怎麼協助 你直接講好了\n316014\t337432\t我舉個例子我們之前在文旦的部分我們就號召了一些青龍有沒有他們可以來協助他他如果真的需要我們可以來號召所以這個部分等於說類似社區自住的話我們要找誰 經費從哪裡來這個不需要特別的經費我們用號召的方式可以來處理一些如果真的需要特別他年紀大的你這樣講我聽不太懂\n338132\t364534\t不是 我想有一些年輕的我號召那麼久都沒有人不是 我要跟委員報告有一些年紀大的人他比較困難的部分我們就會來協助有一些年紀輕的人他對於已經落下的這些果實我講真的是很籠統我希望你納入之後你要有一些其實費用不是很多 院長在這個560億裡面其實那個占比是非常非常小的\n365254\t392139\t那我希望你體現一下農民我不講苗栗喔這個其他地方也會發生其他的水梨啊葡萄啊這些都會受到影響都會有同樣的這個問題發生是不是我們一定要納入當然你要符合規定符合這一次的這個封災特別條例的規定裡面你如果符合我們就給你協助嘛各位委員即便是非災區部分當然是颱風受到災損的農損各方面\n392839\t413173\t工程會是有一個專案的他只要報到這個專案來我們又可以用特統的經費來予補助真的是沒有問題的可以嗎 你把清除費用拿進去可以嗎工程會在針對丹納斯颱風有公告一個專案各縣市政府相關公共設施或相關的受損那麼可以向工程會來提出\n413713\t429470\t農業部分清除也有嗎經過審查之後會核定到時候就會有用統籌分配稅款來處理你不是用救災條例啊雖然沒有在這個條例裡面同時可以用專案來處理\n430933\t459823\t就是非災區也可以用這個專案來處理好啦 那希望說這個我剛剛講三個重點就是農業廢棄物的清除跟苗栗的納入還有我們苗栗縣還有一件事情就是我們泰安鄉62-1縣這728好雨過後然後過了幾天發生攤方結果壓死了兩個我們苗栗的鄉親其實那一條路一直以來 去年我也有請我們交通部也下去考察過\n461866\t475578\t當時看的是62線所以那一條路其實一直以來都是非常危險希望我們院長也能夠盡快的來協助我們這個比較常常發生意外的這些地方來盡快做協助好嗎\n476670\t490658\t我也請交通部進一步了解之後我們試狀況來跟地方做溝通來解決問題那院長我再請問一下災後特別條例編列了560億那各部會佔這個估算的分配金額是大概是多少\n491516\t508666\t有這樣分配嗎我們有十大項 分審在各部會裡面我們有沒有這個重建計畫 有沒有提出重建計畫十大項裡面就是有一些復原的工作包括自來水 水利 家園 農業 電力跟電訊系統都有很多的相關的復原計畫\n510257\t526624\t都有 現在都已經做了嘛這個什麼重新計畫也做了嘛我們在條例通過之後我們會編特別預算那裡面的計畫就會更明確就會寫得更清楚嘛會再通到大院來審議我們823的罷免行政院有沒有派人 派支援派部會去 這個系統去支援\n528305\t546243\t823的罷免案行政跟罷免從來沒有投入我們衛福部的次長為什麼頂著衛福部次長的頭銜公開跑去安撫這個罷團我要講這個意思是說他是行政的他是政務官那現在救災比較重要怎麼還有時間去搞這個罷免呢\n553414\t576140\t院長你覺得這樣合適嗎市長的行程我在進一步來瞭解我們還是以政務 以救災以政務的推動為主要其他的都不是在我們政務的範圍裡面因為現在才要開始救災希望你們一直認真下去因為重建這個路是非常漫長的當初我們院長\n578359\t592291\t你說剛剛講到說這個重建計畫這個通過之後你們就會送過來嗎特別預算一定要送到大院來審理那盡快啦 好不好好的 謝謝另外我再請教我們這次颱風\n595694\t622635\t我們光電板的災損大量集中在六個案場包括永興的興溫製紅池力生能源的漁電共生雲豹能源的漁電共生還有另外三個泰商投資的製紅池的案場這六個案場的災損量佔了整體災害的大多數我的問題很簡單清完了之後我請教院長你打算讓它原地復活嗎\n626398\t647371\t他如果受損嘛 對不對那現在重建之後你要再讓他原地復活嗎我到過兩個案場我們到過嘉義兩個案場去看有的業主他很積極在做這個善後的工作但有的業者就是比較慢我覺得對比較慢的業者如果他拿不出誠意出來我覺得我們沒有必要在公共政策上跟他做任何的配合\n647611\t662789\t部長我請問你就是說我們國際上災後的光電暗場都有測出受損的光電板可能釋放鉛跟鎘這些重金屬所以我們這一次的這些現場的土地我們需不需要再做檢測\n663871\t682670\t我們都兩個禮拜有監測一次那過去三次的數據裡面沒有任何我們災後都有監測目前沒有任何的重基礎的污染所以就不用再做檢查就對了我們會這一次的風災造成這麼大的影響那我們未來有沒有要重新檢視這個抗災的強度\n684793\t702891\t因為我們有跟經濟部有提出我們建議針對大型的案場可能要來一個比較大的體檢例如說大型的可能有一兩百個那可能做一個體檢如果說他沒有安全疑慮例如說他的建築結構或是說他的清運防災等等如果沒有疑慮的話我們認為是可以放行的\n703806\t714922\t所以你認為說已經不需要再做換變我認為是要重新再做體檢因為我好那我再問你他現在在復原之後那下一個颱風來又再造成這個今天這種狀況怎麼辦\n716429\t735695\t基本上這一次其實就是只有在滯洪池上面其他的固定式的我們發現問題不大甚至有一些屋頂他們用太陽能 這是他們的損失會包含在561裡面嗎基本不會 那是他們自己要清運政府不用出一毛錢 會補助他嗎不會 完全不會 完全沒有嗎 完全沒有 請大家放心\n736115\t748122\t那我再來問就是雲報北門這個案場雲報能源跟恩富資本2022年底啟用說是全台最大的漁電共生這預估20年的收益將會200億也就是說每年10億\n751550\t774969\t那它當然它還是全台第一件的光處合一的案場那經濟部能源署第一批結合光電儲能這個跟台電的標案就配電的標案是全台第一件那我想質問一下這麼高規格高產值高話題的案場結果颱風未來幾萬片全部都變成六大重災區的那當時我們北門和七谷都有停電紀錄對吧有嗎就當\n779973\t803356\t但那是颱風當天雲豹的暗場現在我們應該都有在處理不是 我是說當天那邊有停電嗎有沒有停電報委員其實我有現場看那個暗場其實那個暗場是固定式的它的災損沒有像這個餘溫的滯洪池的那麼嚴重\n805154\t822177\t所以它當時沒有在災後周邊都沒有供過電它能不能供電它的儲能廠能不能供電基本上它的受損的情況沒有像新溫那幾個那麼嚴重所以它的電也沒有在做使用它儲能的電也沒有用\n823752\t840040\t他的這個暗場因為不是在那個制宏池上面的他是在一般的這個土地上面我是說因為光電板已經翻了嘛對不對現在是停電嘛那他那個儲能廠到底有沒有發生作用有沒有供電他在那個地方儲能的話因為\n841428\t858573\t因為他那個儲能沒有辦法把電送出去照理電線桿倒了這些還是可以用啊不是他就馬上可以發揮作用嗎不是 他那個電要能夠送出去啊儲能的電要能夠送出去接台電所以我們 報告委員現在我們未來啊會在這個地區上面實施這個智慧電網\n859733\t887538\t也就是說在那個儲電的話就可以供給這個附近的這個我現在要講的就是這樣子就是說我們這個儲電廠當它發生狀況的時候就像這一次電感都倒了這個時候是不是能發揮作用讓附近的這個居民都有電用啊對 將來會這樣將來會就像委員剛才所指教的這個部分來處理因為這個不然你這個儲電廠就等於白做了嘛不是嗎對 是再來最後一個\n891243\t913029\t我還是希望我們特別條例之前沒有法律效益在那邊拿著它是沒有辦法主張任何權益我希望院長能夠把內容加到我們條例裡面可以嗎哪一段的內容就是所有的 所有的寫清楚\n914601\t927392\t每一個補助的項目可以嗎我們會在特別預算當中清楚的把每一項都標示出來它有多少的預算的規模它裡面要怎麼執行都會向大院來提出做審議的好 謝謝院長謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝邱政軍\n","txt":"主席好 我們有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n所有人好 院長好這次我們院長辛苦了不管颱風刮在哪裡 豪雨下在哪裡都是在我們的土地受難的都是我們的鄉親所以立法院這一次在支持特別條例的唯一理由就是加速救助不拖延我們這次特別條例編列了560億\n那政院版部分直接說明在災區是台南 高雄 嘉義 屏東另外就是台中 彰化 南投 雲林的部分地區吧所以部長這些地方會適用特別條例吧\n跟我們報告我們在條例草案的第二條寫下說本條例所定的災區因為丹納斯颱風及7228豪雨後受創的地區這個會由未來的主管機關來加以\n就實際自災情況認定之後我現在要講的就是我們苗栗花蓮台東雖然當然這一次比較嚴重的是嘉義跟台南那其實這些鄉鎮這些縣市也都有一些的災損的部分那我們也希望說這個部分院長這邊能夠答應能夠把這幾個地區都列入將來由\n實際自災的情況由主管機關來認定之後只要他認定到符合到我們必須救助的這種範圍跟程度行政會就會來公告所謂的災區因為你當時8月2號說要到苗栗來勘災嘛後來臨時取消 當然我知道這個有其他地方比較嚴重所以我們也\n不敢占用你太多時間但我還是希望院長要把苗栗的範圍納進去救助一定要到人沒有到沒有關係\n我也誤會 我那天並沒有到其他地方那天本來排定了地區但是因為還跟地方接觸過程當中沒有排得很順暢所以就沒有過去看災啦對 院長我跟您確認一下苗栗的報告一下苗栗的狀況就農業部8月5號的統計顯示這是苗栗風災的災損農損金高達一千多萬元\n全台農損排名第六名屏東 台中 高雄 嘉義 南投這前五名都進了可是唯獨苗栗沒有進入但是當然我也要謝謝農業部農業部已經把我們苗栗的農損部分已經馬上做了處理每公頃是補助8萬元但我現在發現一個問題就是說\n我們這八萬元是補給我們農民之前的損失嘛對不對這一年來的辛苦他已經就化為泡沫了那現在碰到一個問題就是說這些弱果跟一些還在殘留在樹上的這些果實他現在開始天氣放晴之後開始爛了開始臭了開始這個有這個病媒蚊啊長蟲了\n這部分我有請教過農業部也請教過環境部這兩個部會都沒有科目可以來補助院長你可不可以承諾把這個部分也納入清除的部分我想說這個農業廢棄物的清除的部分也納入這一次的特別條例裡面\n等一下請部長報告 就算沒有納入災區就算他原來的災損以及後續的作為農業部還是有災損準備金等等可以來因應他只是沒有進到特別條例特別預算裡面因為他們沒有科目農業部跟環境部都沒有這個科目他們想幫忙也幫不了 你懂我意思嗎\n我跟委員報告像我舉個例子就像紅棗那紅棗有的在樹上有的在已經掉到地上了那我們也曾經問過一些紅棗的果農其實他們也不願意人家因為有些東西他們還可以做加工用那如果說這些果園的清除他要把這個清除物移到他的果園固定的位置的話那我們會跟那個環境部一起現在就是清除的問題\n他有些東西可以用沒有但是我看到這一次的災損他其實都已經八成以上不能用了你說要再曬成紅棗乾那幾乎不太可能那當然你有講到說農民不希望人家進去他的果園那現在就是他還是要請人去處理你給他這一公頃八萬塊剛好清理完了他就沒了\n我想要跟委員報告我們天然災害救助是一個救助的精神去協助它盡快的復耕您剛才講的果園的清除的部分有一些它如果必須的時候也許我們會透過一些農會的系統來個案的協助因為我們也問過非常多的果農他們自己也願意做加工你要怎麼協助 你直接講好了\n我舉個例子我們之前在文旦的部分我們就號召了一些青龍有沒有他們可以來協助他他如果真的需要我們可以來號召所以這個部分等於說類似社區自住的話我們要找誰 經費從哪裡來這個不需要特別的經費我們用號召的方式可以來處理一些如果真的需要特別他年紀大的你這樣講我聽不太懂\n不是 我想有一些年輕的我號召那麼久都沒有人不是 我要跟委員報告有一些年紀大的人他比較困難的部分我們就會來協助有一些年紀輕的人他對於已經落下的這些果實我講真的是很籠統我希望你納入之後你要有一些其實費用不是很多 院長在這個560億裡面其實那個占比是非常非常小的\n那我希望你體現一下農民我不講苗栗喔這個其他地方也會發生其他的水梨啊葡萄啊這些都會受到影響都會有同樣的這個問題發生是不是我們一定要納入當然你要符合規定符合這一次的這個封災特別條例的規定裡面你如果符合我們就給你協助嘛各位委員即便是非災區部分當然是颱風受到災損的農損各方面\n工程會是有一個專案的他只要報到這個專案來我們又可以用特統的經費來予補助真的是沒有問題的可以嗎 你把清除費用拿進去可以嗎工程會在針對丹納斯颱風有公告一個專案各縣市政府相關公共設施或相關的受損那麼可以向工程會來提出\n農業部分清除也有嗎經過審查之後會核定到時候就會有用統籌分配稅款來處理你不是用救災條例啊雖然沒有在這個條例裡面同時可以用專案來處理\n就是非災區也可以用這個專案來處理好啦 那希望說這個我剛剛講三個重點就是農業廢棄物的清除跟苗栗的納入還有我們苗栗縣還有一件事情就是我們泰安鄉62-1縣這728好雨過後然後過了幾天發生攤方結果壓死了兩個我們苗栗的鄉親其實那一條路一直以來 去年我也有請我們交通部也下去考察過\n當時看的是62線所以那一條路其實一直以來都是非常危險希望我們院長也能夠盡快的來協助我們這個比較常常發生意外的這些地方來盡快做協助好嗎\n我也請交通部進一步了解之後我們試狀況來跟地方做溝通來解決問題那院長我再請問一下災後特別條例編列了560億那各部會佔這個估算的分配金額是大概是多少\n有這樣分配嗎我們有十大項 分審在各部會裡面我們有沒有這個重建計畫 有沒有提出重建計畫十大項裡面就是有一些復原的工作包括自來水 水利 家園 農業 電力跟電訊系統都有很多的相關的復原計畫\n都有 現在都已經做了嘛這個什麼重新計畫也做了嘛我們在條例通過之後我們會編特別預算那裡面的計畫就會更明確就會寫得更清楚嘛會再通到大院來審議我們823的罷免行政院有沒有派人 派支援派部會去 這個系統去支援\n823的罷免案行政跟罷免從來沒有投入我們衛福部的次長為什麼頂著衛福部次長的頭銜公開跑去安撫這個罷團我要講這個意思是說他是行政的他是政務官那現在救災比較重要怎麼還有時間去搞這個罷免呢\n院長你覺得這樣合適嗎市長的行程我在進一步來瞭解我們還是以政務 以救災以政務的推動為主要其他的都不是在我們政務的範圍裡面因為現在才要開始救災希望你們一直認真下去因為重建這個路是非常漫長的當初我們院長\n你說剛剛講到說這個重建計畫這個通過之後你們就會送過來嗎特別預算一定要送到大院來審理那盡快啦 好不好好的 謝謝另外我再請教我們這次颱風\n我們光電板的災損大量集中在六個案場包括永興的興溫製紅池力生能源的漁電共生雲豹能源的漁電共生還有另外三個泰商投資的製紅池的案場這六個案場的災損量佔了整體災害的大多數我的問題很簡單清完了之後我請教院長你打算讓它原地復活嗎\n他如果受損嘛 對不對那現在重建之後你要再讓他原地復活嗎我到過兩個案場我們到過嘉義兩個案場去看有的業主他很積極在做這個善後的工作但有的業者就是比較慢我覺得對比較慢的業者如果他拿不出誠意出來我覺得我們沒有必要在公共政策上跟他做任何的配合\n部長我請問你就是說我們國際上災後的光電暗場都有測出受損的光電板可能釋放鉛跟鎘這些重金屬所以我們這一次的這些現場的土地我們需不需要再做檢測\n我們都兩個禮拜有監測一次那過去三次的數據裡面沒有任何我們災後都有監測目前沒有任何的重基礎的污染所以就不用再做檢查就對了我們會這一次的風災造成這麼大的影響那我們未來有沒有要重新檢視這個抗災的強度\n因為我們有跟經濟部有提出我們建議針對大型的案場可能要來一個比較大的體檢例如說大型的可能有一兩百個那可能做一個體檢如果說他沒有安全疑慮例如說他的建築結構或是說他的清運防災等等如果沒有疑慮的話我們認為是可以放行的\n所以你認為說已經不需要再做換變我認為是要重新再做體檢因為我好那我再問你他現在在復原之後那下一個颱風來又再造成這個今天這種狀況怎麼辦\n基本上這一次其實就是只有在滯洪池上面其他的固定式的我們發現問題不大甚至有一些屋頂他們用太陽能 這是他們的損失會包含在561裡面嗎基本不會 那是他們自己要清運政府不用出一毛錢 會補助他嗎不會 完全不會 完全沒有嗎 完全沒有 請大家放心\n那我再來問就是雲報北門這個案場雲報能源跟恩富資本2022年底啟用說是全台最大的漁電共生這預估20年的收益將會200億也就是說每年10億\n那它當然它還是全台第一件的光處合一的案場那經濟部能源署第一批結合光電儲能這個跟台電的標案就配電的標案是全台第一件那我想質問一下這麼高規格高產值高話題的案場結果颱風未來幾萬片全部都變成六大重災區的那當時我們北門和七谷都有停電紀錄對吧有嗎就當\n但那是颱風當天雲豹的暗場現在我們應該都有在處理不是 我是說當天那邊有停電嗎有沒有停電報委員其實我有現場看那個暗場其實那個暗場是固定式的它的災損沒有像這個餘溫的滯洪池的那麼嚴重\n所以它當時沒有在災後周邊都沒有供過電它能不能供電它的儲能廠能不能供電基本上它的受損的情況沒有像新溫那幾個那麼嚴重所以它的電也沒有在做使用它儲能的電也沒有用\n他的這個暗場因為不是在那個制宏池上面的他是在一般的這個土地上面我是說因為光電板已經翻了嘛對不對現在是停電嘛那他那個儲能廠到底有沒有發生作用有沒有供電他在那個地方儲能的話因為\n因為他那個儲能沒有辦法把電送出去照理電線桿倒了這些還是可以用啊不是他就馬上可以發揮作用嗎不是 他那個電要能夠送出去啊儲能的電要能夠送出去接台電所以我們 報告委員現在我們未來啊會在這個地區上面實施這個智慧電網\n也就是說在那個儲電的話就可以供給這個附近的這個我現在要講的就是這樣子就是說我們這個儲電廠當它發生狀況的時候就像這一次電感都倒了這個時候是不是能發揮作用讓附近的這個居民都有電用啊對 將來會這樣將來會就像委員剛才所指教的這個部分來處理因為這個不然你這個儲電廠就等於白做了嘛不是嗎對 是再來最後一個\n我還是希望我們特別條例之前沒有法律效益在那邊拿著它是沒有辦法主張任何權益我希望院長能夠把內容加到我們條例裡面可以嗎哪一段的內容就是所有的 所有的寫清楚\n每一個補助的項目可以嗎我們會在特別預算當中清楚的把每一項都標示出來它有多少的預算的規模它裡面要怎麼執行都會向大院來提出做審議的好 謝謝院長謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝邱政軍\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.802 --> 00:16.287\n主席好我們有請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢\n\n00:26.929 --> 00:48.102\n所有人好院長好這次我們院長辛苦了不管颱風刮在哪裡豪雨下在哪裡都是在我們的土地受難的都是我們的鄉親所以立法院這一次在支持特別條例的唯一理由就是加速救助不拖延我們這次特別條例編列了560億\n\n00:50.205 --> 01:05.061\n那政院版部分直接說明在災區是台南高雄嘉義屏東另外就是台中彰化南投雲林的部分地區吧所以部長這些地方會適用特別條例吧\n\n01:05.829 --> 01:20.605\n跟我們報告我們在條例草案的第二條寫下說本條例所定的災區因為丹納斯颱風及7228豪雨後受創的地區這個會由未來的主管機關來加以\n\n01:21.326 --> 01:40.583\n就實際自災情況認定之後我現在要講的就是我們苗栗花蓮台東雖然當然這一次比較嚴重的是嘉義跟台南那其實這些鄉鎮這些縣市也都有一些的災損的部分那我們也希望說這個部分院長這邊能夠答應能夠把這幾個地區都列入將來由\n\n01:47.445 --> 02:06.767\n實際自災的情況由主管機關來認定之後只要他認定到符合到我們必須救助的這種範圍跟程度行政會就會來公告所謂的災區因為你當時8月2號說要到苗栗來勘災嘛後來臨時取消當然我知道這個有其他地方比較嚴重所以我們也\n\n02:07.708 --> 02:16.273\n不敢占用你太多時間但我還是希望院長要把苗栗的範圍納進去救助一定要到人沒有到沒有關係\n\n02:17.512 --> 02:33.982\n我也誤會我那天並沒有到其他地方那天本來排定了地區但是因為還跟地方接觸過程當中沒有排得很順暢所以就沒有過去看災啦對院長我跟您確認一下苗栗的報告一下苗栗的狀況就農業部8月5號的統計顯示這是苗栗風災的災損農損金高達一千多萬元\n\n02:41.887 --> 03:01.934\n全台農損排名第六名屏東台中高雄嘉義南投這前五名都進了可是唯獨苗栗沒有進入但是當然我也要謝謝農業部農業部已經把我們苗栗的農損部分已經馬上做了處理每公頃是補助8萬元但我現在發現一個問題就是說\n\n03:05.635 --> 03:28.891\n我們這八萬元是補給我們農民之前的損失嘛對不對這一年來的辛苦他已經就化為泡沫了那現在碰到一個問題就是說這些弱果跟一些還在殘留在樹上的這些果實他現在開始天氣放晴之後開始爛了開始臭了開始這個有這個病媒蚊啊長蟲了\n\n03:30.332 --> 03:48.307\n這部分我有請教過農業部也請教過環境部這兩個部會都沒有科目可以來補助院長你可不可以承諾把這個部分也納入清除的部分我想說這個農業廢棄物的清除的部分也納入這一次的特別條例裡面\n\n03:49.219 --> 04:08.222\n等一下請部長報告就算沒有納入災區就算他原來的災損以及後續的作為農業部還是有災損準備金等等可以來因應他只是沒有進到特別條例特別預算裡面因為他們沒有科目農業部跟環境部都沒有這個科目他們想幫忙也幫不了你懂我意思嗎\n\n04:08.963 --> 04:33.515\n我跟委員報告像我舉個例子就像紅棗那紅棗有的在樹上有的在已經掉到地上了那我們也曾經問過一些紅棗的果農其實他們也不願意人家因為有些東西他們還可以做加工用那如果說這些果園的清除他要把這個清除物移到他的果園固定的位置的話那我們會跟那個環境部一起現在就是清除的問題\n\n04:34.335 --> 04:52.547\n他有些東西可以用沒有但是我看到這一次的災損他其實都已經八成以上不能用了你說要再曬成紅棗乾那幾乎不太可能那當然你有講到說農民不希望人家進去他的果園那現在就是他還是要請人去處理你給他這一公頃八萬塊剛好清理完了他就沒了\n\n04:53.027 --> 05:15.714\n我想要跟委員報告我們天然災害救助是一個救助的精神去協助它盡快的復耕您剛才講的果園的清除的部分有一些它如果必須的時候也許我們會透過一些農會的系統來個案的協助因為我們也問過非常多的果農他們自己也願意做加工你要怎麼協助你直接講好了\n\n05:16.014 --> 05:37.432\n我舉個例子我們之前在文旦的部分我們就號召了一些青龍有沒有他們可以來協助他他如果真的需要我們可以來號召所以這個部分等於說類似社區自住的話我們要找誰經費從哪裡來這個不需要特別的經費我們用號召的方式可以來處理一些如果真的需要特別他年紀大的你這樣講我聽不太懂\n\n05:38.132 --> 06:04.534\n不是我想有一些年輕的我號召那麼久都沒有人不是我要跟委員報告有一些年紀大的人他比較困難的部分我們就會來協助有一些年紀輕的人他對於已經落下的這些果實我講真的是很籠統我希望你納入之後你要有一些其實費用不是很多院長在這個560億裡面其實那個占比是非常非常小的\n\n06:05.254 --> 06:32.139\n那我希望你體現一下農民我不講苗栗喔這個其他地方也會發生其他的水梨啊葡萄啊這些都會受到影響都會有同樣的這個問題發生是不是我們一定要納入當然你要符合規定符合這一次的這個封災特別條例的規定裡面你如果符合我們就給你協助嘛各位委員即便是非災區部分當然是颱風受到災損的農損各方面\n\n06:32.839 --> 06:53.173\n工程會是有一個專案的他只要報到這個專案來我們又可以用特統的經費來予補助真的是沒有問題的可以嗎你把清除費用拿進去可以嗎工程會在針對丹納斯颱風有公告一個專案各縣市政府相關公共設施或相關的受損那麼可以向工程會來提出\n\n06:53.713 --> 07:09.470\n農業部分清除也有嗎經過審查之後會核定到時候就會有用統籌分配稅款來處理你不是用救災條例啊雖然沒有在這個條例裡面同時可以用專案來處理\n\n07:10.933 --> 07:39.823\n就是非災區也可以用這個專案來處理好啦那希望說這個我剛剛講三個重點就是農業廢棄物的清除跟苗栗的納入還有我們苗栗縣還有一件事情就是我們泰安鄉62-1縣這728好雨過後然後過了幾天發生攤方結果壓死了兩個我們苗栗的鄉親其實那一條路一直以來去年我也有請我們交通部也下去考察過\n\n07:41.866 --> 07:55.578\n當時看的是62線所以那一條路其實一直以來都是非常危險希望我們院長也能夠盡快的來協助我們這個比較常常發生意外的這些地方來盡快做協助好嗎\n\n07:56.670 --> 08:10.658\n我也請交通部進一步了解之後我們試狀況來跟地方做溝通來解決問題那院長我再請問一下災後特別條例編列了560億那各部會佔這個估算的分配金額是大概是多少\n\n08:11.516 --> 08:28.666\n有這樣分配嗎我們有十大項分審在各部會裡面我們有沒有這個重建計畫有沒有提出重建計畫十大項裡面就是有一些復原的工作包括自來水水利家園農業電力跟電訊系統都有很多的相關的復原計畫\n\n08:30.257 --> 08:46.624\n都有現在都已經做了嘛這個什麼重新計畫也做了嘛我們在條例通過之後我們會編特別預算那裡面的計畫就會更明確就會寫得更清楚嘛會再通到大院來審議我們823的罷免行政院有沒有派人派支援派部會去這個系統去支援\n\n08:48.305 --> 09:06.243\n823的罷免案行政跟罷免從來沒有投入我們衛福部的次長為什麼頂著衛福部次長的頭銜公開跑去安撫這個罷團我要講這個意思是說他是行政的他是政務官那現在救災比較重要怎麼還有時間去搞這個罷免呢\n\n09:13.414 --> 09:36.140\n院長你覺得這樣合適嗎市長的行程我在進一步來瞭解我們還是以政務以救災以政務的推動為主要其他的都不是在我們政務的範圍裡面因為現在才要開始救災希望你們一直認真下去因為重建這個路是非常漫長的當初我們院長\n\n09:38.359 --> 09:52.291\n你說剛剛講到說這個重建計畫這個通過之後你們就會送過來嗎特別預算一定要送到大院來審理那盡快啦好不好好的謝謝另外我再請教我們這次颱風\n\n09:55.694 --> 10:22.635\n我們光電板的災損大量集中在六個案場包括永興的興溫製紅池力生能源的漁電共生雲豹能源的漁電共生還有另外三個泰商投資的製紅池的案場這六個案場的災損量佔了整體災害的大多數我的問題很簡單清完了之後我請教院長你打算讓它原地復活嗎\n\n10:26.398 --> 10:47.371\n他如果受損嘛對不對那現在重建之後你要再讓他原地復活嗎我到過兩個案場我們到過嘉義兩個案場去看有的業主他很積極在做這個善後的工作但有的業者就是比較慢我覺得對比較慢的業者如果他拿不出誠意出來我覺得我們沒有必要在公共政策上跟他做任何的配合\n\n10:47.611 --> 11:02.789\n部長我請問你就是說我們國際上災後的光電暗場都有測出受損的光電板可能釋放鉛跟鎘這些重金屬所以我們這一次的這些現場的土地我們需不需要再做檢測\n\n11:03.871 --> 11:22.670\n我們都兩個禮拜有監測一次那過去三次的數據裡面沒有任何我們災後都有監測目前沒有任何的重基礎的污染所以就不用再做檢查就對了我們會這一次的風災造成這麼大的影響那我們未來有沒有要重新檢視這個抗災的強度\n\n11:24.793 --> 11:42.891\n因為我們有跟經濟部有提出我們建議針對大型的案場可能要來一個比較大的體檢例如說大型的可能有一兩百個那可能做一個體檢如果說他沒有安全疑慮例如說他的建築結構或是說他的清運防災等等如果沒有疑慮的話我們認為是可以放行的\n\n11:43.806 --> 11:54.922\n所以你認為說已經不需要再做換變我認為是要重新再做體檢因為我好那我再問你他現在在復原之後那下一個颱風來又再造成這個今天這種狀況怎麼辦\n\n11:56.429 --> 12:15.695\n基本上這一次其實就是只有在滯洪池上面其他的固定式的我們發現問題不大甚至有一些屋頂他們用太陽能這是他們的損失會包含在561裡面嗎基本不會那是他們自己要清運政府不用出一毛錢會補助他嗎不會完全不會完全沒有嗎完全沒有請大家放心\n\n12:16.115 --> 12:28.122\n那我再來問就是雲報北門這個案場雲報能源跟恩富資本2022年底啟用說是全台最大的漁電共生這預估20年的收益將會200億也就是說每年10億\n\n12:31.550 --> 12:54.969\n那它當然它還是全台第一件的光處合一的案場那經濟部能源署第一批結合光電儲能這個跟台電的標案就配電的標案是全台第一件那我想質問一下這麼高規格高產值高話題的案場結果颱風未來幾萬片全部都變成六大重災區的那當時我們北門和七谷都有停電紀錄對吧有嗎就當\n\n12:59.973 --> 13:23.356\n但那是颱風當天雲豹的暗場現在我們應該都有在處理不是我是說當天那邊有停電嗎有沒有停電報委員其實我有現場看那個暗場其實那個暗場是固定式的它的災損沒有像這個餘溫的滯洪池的那麼嚴重\n\n13:25.154 --> 13:42.177\n所以它當時沒有在災後周邊都沒有供過電它能不能供電它的儲能廠能不能供電基本上它的受損的情況沒有像新溫那幾個那麼嚴重所以它的電也沒有在做使用它儲能的電也沒有用\n\n13:43.752 --> 14:00.040\n他的這個暗場因為不是在那個制宏池上面的他是在一般的這個土地上面我是說因為光電板已經翻了嘛對不對現在是停電嘛那他那個儲能廠到底有沒有發生作用有沒有供電他在那個地方儲能的話因為\n\n14:01.428 --> 14:18.573\n因為他那個儲能沒有辦法把電送出去照理電線桿倒了這些還是可以用啊不是他就馬上可以發揮作用嗎不是他那個電要能夠送出去啊儲能的電要能夠送出去接台電所以我們報告委員現在我們未來啊會在這個地區上面實施這個智慧電網\n\n14:19.733 --> 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請大家放心"},{"start":736.115,"end":748.122,"text":"那我再來問就是雲報北門這個案場雲報能源跟恩富資本2022年底啟用說是全台最大的漁電共生這預估20年的收益將會200億也就是說每年10億"},{"start":751.55,"end":774.969,"text":"那它當然它還是全台第一件的光處合一的案場那經濟部能源署第一批結合光電儲能這個跟台電的標案就配電的標案是全台第一件那我想質問一下這麼高規格高產值高話題的案場結果颱風未來幾萬片全部都變成六大重災區的那當時我們北門和七谷都有停電紀錄對吧有嗎就當"},{"start":779.973,"end":803.356,"text":"但那是颱風當天雲豹的暗場現在我們應該都有在處理不是 我是說當天那邊有停電嗎有沒有停電報委員其實我有現場看那個暗場其實那個暗場是固定式的它的災損沒有像這個餘溫的滯洪池的那麼嚴重"},{"start":805.154,"end":822.177,"text":"所以它當時沒有在災後周邊都沒有供過電它能不能供電它的儲能廠能不能供電基本上它的受損的情況沒有像新溫那幾個那麼嚴重所以它的電也沒有在做使用它儲能的電也沒有用"},{"start":823.752,"end":840.04,"text":"他的這個暗場因為不是在那個制宏池上面的他是在一般的這個土地上面我是說因為光電板已經翻了嘛對不對現在是停電嘛那他那個儲能廠到底有沒有發生作用有沒有供電他在那個地方儲能的話因為"},{"start":841.428,"end":858.573,"text":"因為他那個儲能沒有辦法把電送出去照理電線桿倒了這些還是可以用啊不是他就馬上可以發揮作用嗎不是 他那個電要能夠送出去啊儲能的電要能夠送出去接台電所以我們 報告委員現在我們未來啊會在這個地區上面實施這個智慧電網"},{"start":859.733,"end":887.538,"text":"也就是說在那個儲電的話就可以供給這個附近的這個我現在要講的就是這樣子就是說我們這個儲電廠當它發生狀況的時候就像這一次電感都倒了這個時候是不是能發揮作用讓附近的這個居民都有電用啊對 將來會這樣將來會就像委員剛才所指教的這個部分來處理因為這個不然你這個儲電廠就等於白做了嘛不是嗎對 是再來最後一個"},{"start":891.243,"end":913.029,"text":"我還是希望我們特別條例之前沒有法律效益在那邊拿著它是沒有辦法主張任何權益我希望院長能夠把內容加到我們條例裡面可以嗎哪一段的內容就是所有的 所有的寫清楚"},{"start":914.601,"end":927.392,"text":"每一個補助的項目可以嗎我們會在特別預算當中清楚的把每一項都標示出來它有多少的預算的規模它裡面要怎麼執行都會向大院來提出做審議的好 謝謝院長謝謝 謝謝委員好 謝謝邱政軍"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":182,"blocks":[["邱委員鎮軍：（15時30分）主席好，我們有請卓院長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：邱委員好。"],["邱委員鎮軍：院長好。這次我們院長辛苦了，不管颱風刮在哪裡，豪雨下在哪裡，都是在我們的土地，受難的都是我們的鄉親，所以立法院這一次支持特別條例的唯一理由，就是加速救助不拖延。我們這次特別條例編列的560億，院版部分直接說明災區是臺南、高雄、嘉義、屏東，另外就是臺中、彰化、南投、雲林的部分地區，所以這些地方會適用這個特別條例嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：跟委員報告，我們在條例草案的第二條有寫本條例所定的災區，因為丹娜斯颱風及七二八豪雨後受創的地區，這個會由未來的主管機關來加以就實際致災情況認定之後，由行政院公告。"],["邱委員鎮軍：我現在要講的是我們苗栗、花蓮、臺東，當然這一次比較嚴重的是嘉義跟臺南，但其實這些縣市也都有一些災損的部分，我們也希望這個部分院長是不是能夠答應，能夠把這幾個地區都列入？"],["卓院長榮泰：將來實際致災的情況，由主管機關來認定之後，只要認定符合我們必須救助的這種範圍跟程度，行政院就會公告所謂的災區。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好。院長，你當時8月2號說要到苗栗來勘災，後來臨時取消，當然我知道有其他地方比較嚴重，所以我們也不敢占用你太多時間，但我還是希望院長要把苗栗的範圍納進去，救助一定要到，人沒有到沒有關係。"],["卓院長榮泰：委員誤會，我那天並沒有到其他地方，我那天本來排定了地區，但是因為在跟地方接觸的過程當中沒有排得很順暢，所以就沒有過去勘災。"],["邱委員鎮軍：院長，我跟您報告一下苗栗的狀況，就農業部8月5號的統計顯示，這是苗栗風災的災損，農損金額高達一千多萬元，是全臺農損排名第6名，屏東、臺中、高雄、嘉義、南投這前5名都進了，可是唯獨苗栗沒有進入。當然我也要謝謝農業部，農業部已經把我們苗栗的農損部分馬上做了處理，每公頃……"],["陳部長駿季：紅棗的部分。"],["邱委員鎮軍：對，每公頃是補助8萬元，但我現在發現一個問題，這8萬元是補給我們農民之前的損失，對不對？這一年來的辛苦都已經化為泡沫了。現在碰到一個問題，這些落果跟一些還殘留在樹上的果實，現在天氣放晴之後開始爛了、開始臭了，開始有病媒蚊、長蟲了，這部分我有請教過農業部，也請教過環境部，這兩個部會都說沒有科目可以補助。院長，你可不可以承諾把清除的部分也納入，就是將農業廢棄的清除部分也納入這一次的特別條例裡面？"],["卓院長榮泰：等一下請部長報告，就算沒有納入災區，就算啦！他原來的災損以及後續的作業，農業部還是有災損的準備金等等可以來因應，它只是沒有進到特別條例特別預算裡面來，我請部長來說明。"],["邱委員鎮軍：因為他們沒有科目啊！農業部跟環境部都沒有這個科目，他們想幫忙也幫不了，你懂我意思嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：部長來說明。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，我舉個例子就像紅棗，紅棗有的在樹上，有的已經掉到地上，我們也曾經問過一些紅棗的果農，其實他們也不願意人家……因為有些東西他們還可以做加工用，如果說這些果園的清除，他要把清除物移到果園固定的位置的話，我們會跟環境部一起……"],["邱委員鎮軍：部長，現在就是清除的問題，他有些東西可以用沒有錯，但是我看到這一次的災損，他其實都已經八成以上不能用了啦！你說要再曬成紅棗乾，那幾乎不太可能。當然你有講到農民不希望人家進去他的果園，現在就是他還要請人去處理，你給他的一公頃8萬塊，剛好清理完了，他就沒啦！"],["陳部長駿季：不過我想要跟委員報告，我們天然災害救助是一個救助的精神去協助他儘快復耕，您剛才講果園清除的部分，有一些他如果必須的時候，也許我們會透過一些農會系統來個案的協助。因為我們也問過非常多的果農，他們不願意，他們自己也要願意做加工。"],["邱委員鎮軍：你要怎麼協助，你直接講好了。"],["陳部長駿季：我舉個例子，之前在文旦的部分，我們就號召了一些青農，他們可以協助他。他如果真的需要，我們可以來號召，所以這個部分等於說類似社區自助的話……"],["邱委員鎮軍：那我們要找誰？經費從哪裡來？"],["陳部長駿季：這個不需要特別的經費，我們用號召的方式可以來處理一些，如果真的需要，特別是年紀大的。"],["邱委員鎮軍：你這樣講，我聽不太懂耶！"],["陳部長駿季：不是，我想……"],["邱委員鎮軍：要怎麼號召哩？"],["陳部長駿季：有一些年輕的……"],["邱委員鎮軍：我號召那麼久了都沒有人啊！"],["陳部長駿季：不是，我要跟委員報告，有一些年紀大的人比較困難的部分，我們就會來協助；而有一些年紀輕的人，他對於已經落下的這些果實……"],["邱委員鎮軍：我覺得這樣講真的是很籠統，我希望你納入之後，你要有一些經費，其實費用不是很多啦！院長，在這560億裡面，其實那個占比是非常非常小的。我希望你體恤一下農民，我不講苗栗，這個在其他地方也會發生，其他的水梨、葡萄這些都會受到影響，都會有同樣的問題發生，是不是我們一樣納入？當然你要符合規定，這一次的風災特別條例的規定裡面，你如果符合我們就給你協助嘛！這樣就好了。"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，即便是非災區部分，在丹娜絲颱風受到災損的農損各方面，工程會有一個專案的……"],["邱委員鎮軍：這樣子啦！我們要的就是……"],["卓院長榮泰：他只要報到這個專案來，我們就可以用特統的經費予以補助，這個是沒有問題的。"],["邱委員鎮軍：你把清除的費用納進來，可以嗎？"],["陳主任委員金德：工程會針對丹娜絲颱風有公告一個專案，各縣市政府相關公共設施或相關的受損，可以向工程會提出，經過……"],["邱委員鎮軍：農業部分，清除也有嗎？"],["陳主任委員金德：對，經過審查之後，那麼會核定，到時候就會用統籌分配稅款來處理，這部分雖然……"],["邱委員鎮軍：你不是用救災條例啊？特別條例。"],["陳主任委員金德：雖然沒有在這個條例裡面，同時可以用那個專案來處理。"],["卓院長榮泰：就是非災區也可以用這個專案來處理。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好啦！那也希望，我剛剛講的三個重點，就是清除農業廢棄物跟納入苗栗。","我們苗栗縣還有一件事情，泰安鄉苗62-1線，七二八豪雨過後，過了幾天發生坍方，結果壓死了兩個苗栗的鄉親。其實那一條路，去年我也有請交通部下去考察過，當時看的是62線，那一條路其實一直以來都非常危險。希望院長也能夠儘快協助我們常常發生意外的這些地方，儘快協助，好嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我會請交通部進一步了解之後，我們視狀況跟地方溝通解決問題。"],["邱委員鎮軍：院長，我再請問一下，災後特別條例編列了560億，各部會占這個估算的分配金額大概是多少？有這樣分配嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們有十大項，分在各部會裡面。"],["邱委員鎮軍：我們有沒有這個重建計畫？有沒有提出重建計畫？"],["卓院長榮泰：十大項裡面就是有一些復原的工作，包括自來水、水利、家園、農業、電力跟電信系統都有很多相關的復原計畫。"],["邱委員鎮軍：都有、現在都已經做了嗎？這個重建計畫也做了嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：在條例通過之後我們會編特別預算，那裡面的計畫就會更明確。"],["邱委員鎮軍：就會寫得更清楚嘛？"],["卓院長榮泰：會再送到大院來審議。"],["邱委員鎮軍：那我請問，823的罷免，行政院有沒有派人、派資源、派部會去做系統性的支援？"],["卓院長榮泰：哪一件？"],["邱委員鎮軍：823的罷免案。"],["卓院長榮泰：行政院跟罷免從來沒有投入。"],["邱委員鎮軍：沒有嘛？那衛福部次長為什麼頂著衛福部次長的頭銜公開跑去安撫罷團？我講這個的意思是，他是政務官，而現在救災比較重要，怎麼還有時間去搞這個罷免呢？院長，你覺得呢？你覺得他這樣合適嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：次長的行程我再進一步來了解。我們還是以救災、以政務的推動為主要，其他的都不在我們政務的範圍裡面。"],["邱委員鎮軍：現在才要開始救災，希望你們一直認真下去，因為重建這個路是非常漫長的。"],["卓院長榮泰：是的。"],["邱委員鎮軍：院長，你剛剛講到這個重建計畫，在通過之後，你們會送過來嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：特別預算一定要送到大院來審議。"],["邱委員鎮軍：要儘快，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：好的，謝謝。"],["邱委員鎮軍：另外，我再請教，這次颱風我們光電板的災損大量集中在6個案場，包括永鑫的新塭滯洪池、麗升能源的漁電共生、雲豹能源的漁電共生，還有3個泰商投資的滯洪池案場，這6個案場的災損量占了整體災害的大多數，我的問題很簡單，清完了之後，我請教院長，你打算讓它原地復活嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：對不起！"],["邱委員鎮軍：它有受損，對不對？現在重建之後，你要再讓它原地復活嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我到過2個案場，我們到過嘉義2個案場去看，有的業主很積極在做善後的工作，但有的業者就是比較慢，對於比較慢的業者，如果他拿不出誠意出來，我覺得我們沒有必要在公共政策上跟他做任何的配合。"],["邱委員鎮軍：部長，我請問你，國際上災後的光電案場都有測出受損的光電板可能釋放鉛及鎘這些重金屬，這一次這些現場的土地我們需不需要再做檢測？"],["彭部長啓明：報告委員，我們2個禮拜都有監測1次，過去3次的數據裡面沒有任何……"],["邱委員鎮軍：災後呢？災後呢？"],["彭部長啓明：對，災後我們都有監測，目前沒有任何重金屬的污染。"],["邱委員鎮軍：所以就不用再做檢查就對了？"],["彭部長啓明：我們會檢……"],["邱委員鎮軍：這一次的風災造成這麼大的影響，未來我們有沒有要重新檢視這個抗災的強度？"],["彭部長啓明：報告委員，我們有跟經濟部提出，我們建議，針對大型的案場，可能要來做一個比較大的體檢，例如大型的可能有100、200個，做一個體檢，如果它沒有安全疑慮，例如它的建築結構，或是它的清運、防災等等，如果沒有疑慮的話，我們認為是可以放行的。"],["邱委員鎮軍：所以你認為已經不需要再做環評？"],["彭部長啓明：我認為要重新再做體檢，因為……"],["邱委員鎮軍：好，我再問你，在它復原之後，下一個颱風來，又造成今天這種狀況怎麼辦？"],["彭部長啓明：基本上，這一次其實只有在滯洪池上面的，其他固定式的，我們發現問題不大，甚至有一些屋頂用太陽能板……"],["邱委員鎮軍：這次他們的損失會包含在560億裡面嗎？"],["彭部長啓明：基本不會，那是他們自己要清運，政府不用出一毛錢。"],["邱委員鎮軍：政府會補助他嗎？"],["彭部長啓明：不會、完全不會。"],["邱委員鎮軍：完全沒有嘛！"],["彭部長啓明：完全沒有，請大家放心。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好，我再來問，雲豹北門這個案場，雲豹能源與恩富資本在2022年底啟用，說是全臺最大的漁電共生，預估20年的收益將近200億，也就是每年10億，這還是全臺第一件光儲合一的案場、經濟部能源署第一批結合儲能系統與光電設置的標案，是全臺第一件配電的標案。我想請問一下，這麼高規格、高產值、高話題的案場，結果颱風一來，幾萬片全部都受損，變成6大重災區之一，當時北門和七股都有停電紀錄，對吧！有嗎？就是丹娜絲颱風當天。"],["郭部長智輝：雲豹的案場，現在我們應該都有在處理。"],["邱委員鎮軍：不是，我是說當天那邊有停電嗎？有沒有停電？"],["彭部長啓明：報告委員，其實我有去現場看那個案場，那個案場是固定式的，它的災損沒有像滯洪池的那麼嚴重。"],["邱委員鎮軍：所以災後在災後周邊都沒有供過電？它能不能供電？它的儲能場能不能供電？不是已經啟用了嗎？"],["彭部長啓明：基本上，它的受損情況沒有像新塭那幾個那麼嚴重。"],["邱委員鎮軍：所以它的電也沒有在使用就對了？它儲能的電也沒有用？"],["郭部長智輝：它的這個案場因為不是在滯洪池上面的，是在一般土地上面的……"],["邱委員鎮軍：對啊！對啊！對啊！我是說因為光電板已經翻了，對不對？現在是停電，那它那個儲能場到底有沒有發生作用，有沒有供電？"],["郭部長智輝：因為那個儲能場沒有辦法把電送出去……"],["邱委員鎮軍：照理說，即使電線桿倒了，這些還是可以用，不是它就馬上可以發揮作用了嗎？"],["郭部長智輝：不是，它那個電要能夠送出去啊！儲能的電要能夠送出去接台電……"],["邱委員鎮軍：對，那有沒有送出去？有沒有辦法送出去？"],["郭部長智輝：報告委員，未來我們會在這個地區上面實施智慧電網，那個儲電，就可以供給附近的受災地區使用……"],["邱委員鎮軍：對，我現在要講的就是當這個儲電場附近發生狀況的時候，就像這一次電桿都倒了，在這個時候是不是能發揮作用，讓附近的居民都有電用？"],["郭部長智輝：對，將來會這樣，將來會……"],["邱委員鎮軍：將來是怎麼樣？"],["郭部長智輝：就像委員剛才所指教的這個部分來處理。"],["邱委員鎮軍：對啊！不然這個儲電場就等於白做了嘛！不是嗎？"],["郭部長智輝：對，是。"],["邱委員鎮軍：再來最後一個，我還是希望，特別條例之前沒有法律效力，災民拿著它沒有辦法主張任何權益，我希望院長能夠把這個內容加到這個條例裡面，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：哪一段的內容？"],["邱委員鎮軍：就是所有的，所有每一個補助的項目寫清楚，可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們會在特別預算當中清楚的把每一項都標示出來，它有多少的預算規模、它裡面要怎麼執行，都會向大院提出做審議。"],["邱委員鎮軍：好，謝謝院長。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝邱鎮軍委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢。","接下來請郭國文委員質詢，蘇清泉委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":138,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-24","speakers":["韓國瑜","鍾佳濱","傅崐萁","林國成","王定宇","楊瓊瓔","張啓楷","徐富癸","張嘉郡","賴惠員","謝龍介","林俊憲","王育敏","蔡易餘","邱鎮軍","郭國文","蘇清泉","陳冠廷","盧縣一","林岱樺","羅智強","劉建國","黃建賓"],"page_start":41,"meetingDate":["2025-08-12"],"gazette_id":"1147001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147001_00003","1147001_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第24次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長提出「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」專案報告並備質詢─ 詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147001_00006"}}}