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00:03:04,140\n部長今天我提到的你們現在要慎重的思考有沒有在考慮清楚這個將來以後如果資助了以色列會不會有違法或是將來會有一個危險性你回答一下謝謝委員因為外交部的發言人已經速度有說明我們政府並沒有資助有關於屯墾期的相關計畫\n\n9\n00:03:05,541 --> 00:03:34,189\n那我們跟以色列的關係其中2006年有簽訂衛生合作協定是基於這個樣子在辦理對於醫療跟人道的援助而且我們也確實有包括支持包括像黎巴嫩的難民或是巴勒斯坦人那同樣以色列這一次受到攻擊的相關區域跟對象那因此\n\n10\n00:03:35,009 --> 00:03:42,194\n所謂的這個人道援助建立在這個前提上怎麼去執行的時候要符合國際的規範這一點我們一定會注意因為謝謝委員的提醒\n\n11\n00:03:48,322 --> 00:04:16,362\n因為我們在今年的五月歐盟歐洲會議議員團來台時外交部還發新聞稿表示要攜手強化民主的韌性共同建構穩固且富惠的一個價值的問題價值同盟但歐盟基於人權價值在2009年就通過以色列同肯西商品標籤政策認為\n\n12\n00:04:17,523 --> 00:04:45,965\n童肯區已經是構成了一個戰爭罪因此至少應該在讓歐洲的消費者在購買商品的時候就能先確認產地是不是以色列還是童肯區如果我國真的經營以色列童肯區的話未來我們在尋求國際的支持對抗中國大陸侵略威脅時恐怕會失去了立場部長你這個要特別注意到\n\n13\n00:04:46,585 --> 00:05:00,917\n未來我們的立場一定要穩固不要試著立場到時候我們沒有辦法對外好不好好我一定會秉持總和外交結合不管價值外交同盟外交跟經濟的外交\n\n14\n00:05:02,418 --> 00:05:09,900\n在以色列的關係上因為這一次包括以哈的衝突或者是跟伊朗之間的戰爭國際也都有因應我們也知道中國是包括伊朗背後的支持者所以整個地緣政治跟全球的一個戰略台灣確實要有靈活的外交這個有空間但是我們要有一些\n\n15\n00:05:25,365 --> 00:05:43,747\n我想針對這個以色列的支柱的部分你要慎重考慮將來以後會有危機國際危機好不好謝謝委員我想你們要慎重的考慮那我想請經濟部江次長好謝謝部長\n\n16\n00:05:50,851 --> 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--> 00:13.655\n謝謝主席有請我們林部長請林部長謝謝委員好部長好那個這樣子好\n\n00:14.902 --> 00:35.534\n這個很多現在沸沸揚揚的我們國人現在外界非常不解的地方就是根據香港南華早報和多家以色列的媒體的報導外交部可能監管以色列在耶誕河西岸屯墾區的醫療計畫\n\n00:38.115 --> 01:07.007\n那外交部雖然在這個之前在記者會上回應是基於健康無國界的原則但乃在討論中外交部並沒有否認此一計畫那請問一下部長此次的發起是單純的還是以台以雙方外交事務還是有美國的因素在當中是否屬於政府常常提到的民主同盟的一環那如果\n\n01:08.947 --> 01:31.155\n這個經過討論最後外交部乃實施捐助是否評估過可能會引發哪一些風險這些風險會不會造成外交的危機所以本席在從國際法的角度提醒外交部那根據第一個1949年日內瓦第四公約第49條\n\n01:32.850 --> 01:52.637\n禁止佔領國際江起平民遷移至被佔領地那2004年的國際法國際法院諮詢意見中曾經認定以色列在巴勒斯坦領土的建設行為已經違反了國際法\n\n01:53.777 --> 02:08.352\n所以诸如此类,我们2016年联合国安理会在2334号决议指出,以色列在巴勒斯坦被占领地的定期活动,\n\n02:08.832 --> 02:33.943\n以构成和平的障碍如果滕肯齊本身被國際社會認定為非法那麼我國的直接支柱不管任何項目就算外交部解釋是基於人道主義都會被視為間接承認或支持滕肯齊的合法性甚至被認為是協助以色列鞏固非法佔領區\n\n02:36.164 --> 03:04.140\n部長今天我提到的你們現在要慎重的思考有沒有在考慮清楚這個將來以後如果資助了以色列會不會有違法或是將來會有一個危險性你回答一下謝謝委員因為外交部的發言人已經速度有說明我們政府並沒有資助有關於屯墾期的相關計畫\n\n03:05.541 --> 03:34.189\n那我們跟以色列的關係其中2006年有簽訂衛生合作協定是基於這個樣子在辦理對於醫療跟人道的援助而且我們也確實有包括支持包括像黎巴嫩的難民或是巴勒斯坦人那同樣以色列這一次受到攻擊的相關區域跟對象那因此\n\n03:35.009 --> 03:42.194\n所謂的這個人道援助建立在這個前提上怎麼去執行的時候要符合國際的規範這一點我們一定會注意因為謝謝委員的提醒\n\n03:48.322 --> 04:16.362\n因為我們在今年的五月歐盟歐洲會議議員團來台時外交部還發新聞稿表示要攜手強化民主的韌性共同建構穩固且富惠的一個價值的問題價值同盟但歐盟基於人權價值在2009年就通過以色列同肯西商品標籤政策認為\n\n04:17.523 --> 04:45.965\n童肯區已經是構成了一個戰爭罪因此至少應該在讓歐洲的消費者在購買商品的時候就能先確認產地是不是以色列還是童肯區如果我國真的經營以色列童肯區的話未來我們在尋求國際的支持對抗中國大陸侵略威脅時恐怕會失去了立場部長你這個要特別注意到\n\n04:46.585 --> 05:00.917\n未來我們的立場一定要穩固不要試著立場到時候我們沒有辦法對外好不好好我一定會秉持總和外交結合不管價值外交同盟外交跟經濟的外交\n\n05:02.418 --> 05:09.900\n在以色列的關係上因為這一次包括以哈的衝突或者是跟伊朗之間的戰爭國際也都有因應我們也知道中國是包括伊朗背後的支持者所以整個地緣政治跟全球的一個戰略台灣確實要有靈活的外交這個有空間但是我們要有一些\n\n05:25.365 --> 05:43.747\n我想針對這個以色列的支柱的部分你要慎重考慮將來以後會有危機國際危機好不好謝謝委員我想你們要慎重的考慮那我想請經濟部江次長好謝謝部長\n\n05:50.851 --> 05:59.919\n我這裡特別嚴重嚴重的這是題外的事物上次我在4月10號之前我請你告訴郭部長還要再執意東風東沉陸翼風電在台東大午在8月12號在那個地方抗議民眾都抗議了\n\n06:19.079 --> 06:33.321\n還要再准預他們這樣的一個來說明陸域風電是不是設置的問題混蛋跟郭部長講一下他以下的這些公司任意讓他們在我們的部落裡面\n\n06:35.295 --> 06:49.985\n來發表擾民我們都已經表達反對你們也出了一個公文如果地方鄉公所也好縣政府也好還有民眾如果反對\n\n06:51.326 --> 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