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00:00:30,017\n部長早委員早部長想先就這個我們關稅談判的部分來就教部長那目前我們在進行中的這個關稅談判經過上週本委員會的一個會議以及在本週一經由我們曾立軍副院長還有行政團隊的說明之後那對於這個當前的情況\n\n3\n00:00:32,918 --> 00:00:58,374\n我相信民眾應該都進一步的清楚啦那對於近日已經實施上路的這個暫行關稅的這個稅率的部分我想請教部長就您所知的部分對於台灣已經開始實施的這個20%暫時性稅率會實施多久那有沒有能夠觀察它的相關的一個指標那與美國的這個協議內容是否會簽訂這個書面的文件\n\n4\n00:01:00,939 --> 00:01:07,306\n是跟委員報告我們當然在鄭麗君副院長領導下的談判團隊其實都備好方案那也跟這個USTR美國貿易代表署\n\n5\n00:01:20,226 --> 00:01:32,123\n談得到一個就是接近可以發表聲明不過當然這個也涉及到包括因為台美關係還有包括半導體跟這些資通訊產業尤其是232的條款所以這之間會有一些關聯性\n\n6\n00:01:36,629 --> 00:01:38,371\n再來當然我們也知道川普總統很在乎投資美國台灣是少數其實是可以結合成就是說台美聯合艦隊在半導體AI產業上的發展所以這個之間確實會互相影響\n\n7\n00:01:53,422 --> 00:01:59,547\n另外一個就是當然台灣是現在幾乎是唯一被降的這個所謂暫時關稅但是還保持談判就等著川普總統最後綜合考慮這個確實是互相會有一些影響不過我想就談判團隊來講在對等關稅就是全力以赴先能夠把這個32%降下來變成20%那後續的發展當然會跟其他的台美之間的經貿\n\n8\n00:02:21,324 --> 00:02:41,447\n這個互動會有一些可能的關係好那我們都是還在持續談判當中大家還是關注的就是最終的這個稅率那有沒有可能美國對所有的國家的這個稅率都會是暫時性的稅率那未來將會在各種情況下隨時做調整有沒有可能\n\n9\n00:02:42,097 --> 00:02:49,739\n其實不多啦除了美中跟美台之間之外其他基本上美國因為他最主要涉及到貿易的這個數字啦那對美國來講貿易逆差比較多的國家裡面當然剩下台灣跟中國這個是兩大的對象那其他的都已經差不多定了雖然跟美日之間還沒有到書面詳細的這個確定已經先做一些宣布那但是基本上\n\n10\n00:03:12,349 --> 00:03:15,151\n就是說就是台灣算是特別那也代表我們談判的團隊努力能夠爭取到更多的時間就台美可能的經貿不管是貿易投資或未來的科技產業的發展能夠有更全面的討論\n\n11\n00:03:34,100 --> 00:03:42,325\n接下來我想請教的問題跟農業部有關我想請杜次長先上台也請部長先等一下有關農漁業所面臨的危機四月份對於對等關稅宣布以來有幾項農漁產品被列為衝擊比較大的名單當中\n\n12\n00:03:58,376 --> 00:04:17,133\n那其中這個鬼頭刀鬼頭刀的部分是最受影響的漁產之一在全台灣每年我們從屏東到宜蘭的南方澳這個捕獲的鬼頭刀大概是四五千公噸左右那主要外銷的市場以美國為主\n\n13\n00:04:18,334 --> 00:04:39,869\n那其中有很大的部分這個宜蘭南方澳的漁港大概佔了三成那我想在這段時間我們也聽到許多這個漁民對於這個這方面表達他們的擔憂因為在目前所實施的這個暫時性關稅之下相較以往從0%一下子就變成20%了那\n\n14\n00:04:42,551 --> 00:05:01,837\n他們最希望當然是還能夠談判到比較低的一個稅率也希望能夠獲得政府比較大的一個支持那幫助他們度過這個眼前的難關我想目前最大的這些競爭的國家他們對等的關稅包括秘魯他只有10%那厄瓜多是15%越南20%\n\n15\n00:05:03,197 --> 00:05:27,358\n那對等關稅的這個提高可能會促使美國在他們的進口商在尋找替代的供應來源的時候譬如他們會向中南美洲的這些國家來進口那會面臨的這個銷價競爭恐怕都會是對台灣漁民這個生計造成相當大的影響那對這個部分我想請教我們農業部有沒有什麼因應的辦法\n\n16\n00:05:28,603 --> 00:05:49,655\n首先先感謝委員支持農業特別是在漁業的這一塊我們也知道這次談判雖然即使是暫時的結果20%的暫時性關稅但是確實是比原來的0%確實是增加對漁業的影響特別是軌道道部分大概就像委員說的三個部分第一個我們希望當然是要繼續談希望能把這個關稅再談低\n\n17\n00:05:51,876 --> 00:06:12,864\n希望這一定要繼續努力那第二個對這個產業的支持那當然是要再增加那怎麼支持因為遠洋漁業其實大概有兩個部分第一個是在漁船認證部分我們這會來協助那第二個是在他的多元行銷我們包括在冷鏈在加工煤盒在協助拓展其他市場這我們也會繼續來做那第三個更重要的是資金\n\n18\n00:06:13,724 --> 00:06:31,674\n我想對於這段時間所有漁民受到的影響在資金上面的支持對他們來講非常有幫助而且能協助他們渡過這個難關我想農業部絕對跟我們的農漁民在一起謝謝委員提醒也謝謝委員支持市長您也直接回答我接下來要問的問題我想在我們補助方面我們之前我也請教過了\n\n19\n00:06:36,917 --> 00:06:52,714\n在我們冷鏈設備的提升目前補助只有50%這個部分我想說請我們農業部是不是可以研究看看能夠全額來補助幫助漁民來這個協助他們在這個相關設施上的申請這是第一點\n\n20\n00:06:53,214 --> 00:07:20,198\n那在開拓多元市場的部分我想我們除了外銷部分外銷部分我們是不是有辦法再去開拓新的市場比如歐盟或其他國家那內銷的部分我們是不是可以打開我們國內的相關的通路讓我們這些漁產也可以在國內做這個更好的一個行銷我想這方面還是請我們這個農業部這邊來協助另外還有一個我要提醒就是在\n\n21\n00:07:21,559 --> 00:07:38,087\n剛剛我們所質詢的這些內容還有我們關稅的相關問題其實我們要去了解這些內容已經非常的這個要非常的用心去了解所以有一些漁民或是農民可能對於這些資訊沒有辦法那麼的詳盡的了解\n\n22\n00:07:39,508 --> 00:07:52,820\n我想在這個這個政令的宣傳或是相關的這個傳達訊息的時候我希望我們農業部能夠再做一些比較簡化的這些傳達的方式讓農漁民可以直接了解相關的內容\n\n23\n00:07:53,254 --> 00:08:19,353\n好謝謝委員提醒我相信跟我們的漁民社會講最簡單最直接的方法他們最容易了解所以我們很樂意去跟他們談第一個當然就是說政府有哪些措施他可以怎麼來申請這點要跟我詳澈他才知道說原來有這些幫助可以來提出那第二個就是剛剛提到的不管是國外的新市場那漁船的認證國內的我們也沒和加工廠來做多元洗澡這我們都會繼續來做真的謝謝委員提醒\n\n24\n00:08:19,793 --> 00:08:43,279\n好那另外一個簡單的問一下我們次長就是豬肉的部分那在宜蘭縣現在是量少價養對於這個攤商來講大概是週休四日那未來有可能會週休五日那對這個部分我們農業部有沒有對於這個豬肉市場的部分有什麼因應的方式是有可能進口嗎加大這個進口量嗎\n\n25\n00:08:46,601 --> 00:09:13,880\n應該這樣說啦就是就國內豬園的部分我們當然自己供應大概國內需求大概90%這是我們國產豬肉因為大家對台灣豬肉確實是比較有喜好跟信心那進口當然也有進口因為特別是加工業他們會用進口豬肉去做一些這個加工產品的一些補充那所以就最近老實講確實也是因為這個天氣的關係那也是因為中原節我們接下來有一些需求會增加我們這個部分就是調節台塘一些大豬場\n\n26\n00:09:14,580 --> 00:09:41,758\n看能不能增工一些那第二個就是就加工業者的部分他們自己也就是少抓一些國內的豬肉由他們自己的冷凍庫存的進口肉去做一些補充所以大概是這樣雙管齊下來做調節因為接下來除了中元節以外還有一個中秋節那整個我們國內的這個市場需求量應該會提高啦好謝謝委員提醒也請我們農業部應該是儘早做好準備啦好謝謝委員提醒不管是這個關稅的談判還是說這個農漁\n\n27\n00:09:45,101 --> 00:10:01,153\n這個畜牧產業所面臨的相關危機我也請我們農業部能夠積極地來採取相關的因應措施的辦法讓我們的產業以及民生的這個衝擊影響都能夠降低到降到最低以符合這個民眾的需求好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n573\t3370\t謝謝主席那我們先請林佳龍部長\n11069\t30017\t部長早 委員早部長想先就這個我們關稅談判的部分來就教部長那目前我們在進行中的這個關稅談判經過上週本委員會的一個會議以及在本週一經由我們曾立軍副院長還有行政團隊的說明之後那對於這個當前的情況\n32918\t58374\t我相信民眾應該都進一步的清楚啦那對於近日已經實施上路的這個暫行關稅的這個稅率的部分我想請教部長就您所知的部分對於台灣已經開始實施的這個20%暫時性稅率會實施多久那有沒有能夠觀察它的相關的一個指標那與美國的這個協議內容是否會簽訂這個書面的文件\n60939\t67306\t是 跟委員報告我們當然在鄭麗君副院長領導下的談判團隊其實都備好方案那也跟這個USTR 美國貿易代表署\n80226\t92123\t談得到一個就是接近可以發表聲明不過當然這個也涉及到包括因為台美關係還有包括半導體跟這些資通訊產業尤其是232的條款所以這之間會有一些關聯性\n96629\t98371\t再來當然我們也知道川普總統很在乎投資美國台灣是少數其實是可以結合成就是說台美聯合艦隊在半導體AI產業上的發展所以這個之間確實會互相影響\n113422\t119547\t另外一個就是當然台灣是現在幾乎是唯一被降的這個所謂暫時關稅但是還保持談判就等著川普總統最後綜合考慮這個確實是互相會有一些影響不過我想就談判團隊來講在對等關稅就是全力以赴先能夠把這個32%降下來變成20%那後續的發展當然會跟其他的台美之間的經貿\n141324\t161447\t這個互動會有一些可能的關係好那我們都是還在持續談判當中大家還是關注的就是最終的這個稅率那有沒有可能美國對所有的國家的這個稅率都會是暫時性的稅率那未來將會在各種情況下隨時做調整有沒有可能\n162097\t169739\t其實不多啦除了美中跟美台之間之外其他基本上美國因為他最主要涉及到貿易的這個數字啦那對美國來講貿易逆差比較多的國家裡面當然剩下台灣跟中國這個是兩大的對象那其他的都已經差不多定了雖然跟美日之間還沒有到書面詳細的這個確定已經先做一些宣布那但是基本上\n192349\t195151\t就是說就是台灣算是特別那也代表我們談判的團隊努力能夠爭取到更多的時間就台美可能的經貿不管是貿易投資或未來的科技產業的發展能夠有更全面的討論\n214100\t222325\t接下來我想請教的問題跟農業部有關我想請杜次長先上台也請部長先等一下有關農漁業所面臨的危機四月份對於對等關稅宣布以來有幾項農漁產品被列為衝擊比較大的名單當中\n238376\t257133\t那其中這個鬼頭刀鬼頭刀的部分是最受影響的漁產之一在全台灣每年我們從屏東到宜蘭的南方澳這個捕獲的鬼頭刀大概是四五千公噸左右那主要外銷的市場以美國為主\n258334\t279869\t那其中有很大的部分這個宜蘭南方澳的漁港大概佔了三成那我想在這段時間我們也聽到許多這個漁民對於這個這方面表達他們的擔憂因為在目前所實施的這個暫時性關稅之下相較以往從0%一下子就變成20%了那\n282551\t301837\t他們最希望當然是還能夠談判到比較低的一個稅率也希望能夠獲得政府比較大的一個支持那幫助他們度過這個眼前的難關我想目前最大的這些競爭的國家他們對等的關稅包括秘魯他只有10%那厄瓜多是15%越南20%\n303197\t327358\t那對等關稅的這個提高可能會促使美國在他們的進口商在尋找替代的供應來源的時候譬如他們會向中南美洲的這些國家來進口那會面臨的這個銷價競爭恐怕都會是對台灣漁民這個生計造成相當大的影響那對這個部分我想請教我們農業部有沒有什麼因應的辦法\n328603\t349655\t首先先感謝委員支持農業特別是在漁業的這一塊我們也知道這次談判雖然即使是暫時的結果20%的暫時性關稅但是確實是比原來的0%確實是增加對漁業的影響特別是軌道道部分大概就像委員說的三個部分第一個我們希望當然是要繼續談希望能把這個關稅再談低\n351876\t372864\t希望這一定要繼續努力那第二個對這個產業的支持那當然是要再增加那怎麼支持因為遠洋漁業其實大概有兩個部分第一個是在漁船認證部分我們這會來協助那第二個是在他的多元行銷我們包括在冷鏈在加工煤盒在協助拓展其他市場這我們也會繼續來做那第三個更重要的是資金\n373724\t391674\t我想對於這段時間所有漁民受到的影響在資金上面的支持對他們來講非常有幫助而且能協助他們渡過這個難關我想農業部絕對跟我們的農漁民在一起謝謝委員提醒也謝謝委員支持市長您也直接回答我接下來要問的問題我想在我們補助方面我們之前我也請教過了\n396917\t412714\t在我們冷鏈設備的提升目前補助只有50%這個部分我想說請我們農業部是不是可以研究看看能夠全額來補助幫助漁民來這個協助他們在這個相關設施上的申請這是第一點\n413214\t440198\t那在開拓多元市場的部分我想我們除了外銷部分外銷部分我們是不是有辦法再去開拓新的市場比如歐盟或其他國家那內銷的部分我們是不是可以打開我們國內的相關的通路讓我們這些漁產也可以在國內做這個更好的一個行銷我想這方面還是請我們這個農業部這邊來協助另外還有一個我要提醒就是在\n441559\t458087\t剛剛我們所質詢的這些內容還有我們關稅的相關問題其實我們要去了解這些內容已經非常的這個要非常的用心去了解所以有一些漁民或是農民可能對於這些資訊沒有辦法那麼的詳盡的了解\n459508\t472820\t我想在這個這個政令的宣傳或是相關的這個傳達訊息的時候我希望我們農業部能夠再做一些比較簡化的這些傳達的方式讓農漁民可以直接了解相關的內容\n473254\t499353\t好 謝謝委員提醒 我相信跟我們的漁民社會講最簡單最直接的方法 他們最容易了解所以我們很樂意去跟他們談 第一個當然就是說政府有哪些措施他可以怎麼來申請 這點要跟我詳澈他才知道說原來有這些幫助可以來提出那第二個就是剛剛提到的不管是國外的新市場 那漁船的認證國內的我們也沒和加工廠來做多元洗澡這我們都會繼續來做 真的謝謝委員提醒\n499793\t523279\t好 那另外一個簡單的問一下我們次長就是豬肉的部分那在宜蘭縣現在是量少價養對於這個攤商來講大概是週休四日那未來有可能會週休五日那對這個部分我們農業部有沒有對於這個豬肉市場的部分有什麼因應的方式是有可能進口嗎 加大這個進口量嗎\n526601\t553880\t應該這樣說啦就是就國內豬園的部分我們當然自己供應大概國內需求大概90%這是我們國產豬肉因為大家對台灣豬肉確實是比較有喜好跟信心那進口當然也有進口因為特別是加工業他們會用進口豬肉去做一些這個加工產品的一些補充那所以就最近老實講確實也是因為這個天氣的關係那也是因為中原節我們接下來有一些需求會增加我們這個部分就是調節台塘一些大豬場\n554580\t581758\t看能不能增工一些那第二個就是就加工業者的部分他們自己也就是少抓一些國內的豬肉由他們自己的冷凍庫存的進口肉去做一些補充所以大概是這樣雙管齊下來做調節因為接下來除了中元節以外還有一個中秋節那整個我們國內的這個市場需求量應該會提高啦好 謝謝委員提醒也請我們農業部應該是儘早做好準備啦好 謝謝委員提醒不管是這個關稅的談判還是說這個農漁\n585101\t601153\t這個畜牧產業所面臨的相關危機我也請我們農業部能夠積極地來採取相關的因應措施的辦法讓我們的產業以及民生的這個衝擊影響都能夠降低到降到最低以符合這個民眾的需求好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席那我們先請林佳龍部長\n部長早 委員早部長想先就這個我們關稅談判的部分來就教部長那目前我們在進行中的這個關稅談判經過上週本委員會的一個會議以及在本週一經由我們曾立軍副院長還有行政團隊的說明之後那對於這個當前的情況\n我相信民眾應該都進一步的清楚啦那對於近日已經實施上路的這個暫行關稅的這個稅率的部分我想請教部長就您所知的部分對於台灣已經開始實施的這個20%暫時性稅率會實施多久那有沒有能夠觀察它的相關的一個指標那與美國的這個協議內容是否會簽訂這個書面的文件\n是 跟委員報告我們當然在鄭麗君副院長領導下的談判團隊其實都備好方案那也跟這個USTR 美國貿易代表署\n談得到一個就是接近可以發表聲明不過當然這個也涉及到包括因為台美關係還有包括半導體跟這些資通訊產業尤其是232的條款所以這之間會有一些關聯性\n再來當然我們也知道川普總統很在乎投資美國台灣是少數其實是可以結合成就是說台美聯合艦隊在半導體AI產業上的發展所以這個之間確實會互相影響\n另外一個就是當然台灣是現在幾乎是唯一被降的這個所謂暫時關稅但是還保持談判就等著川普總統最後綜合考慮這個確實是互相會有一些影響不過我想就談判團隊來講在對等關稅就是全力以赴先能夠把這個32%降下來變成20%那後續的發展當然會跟其他的台美之間的經貿\n這個互動會有一些可能的關係好那我們都是還在持續談判當中大家還是關注的就是最終的這個稅率那有沒有可能美國對所有的國家的這個稅率都會是暫時性的稅率那未來將會在各種情況下隨時做調整有沒有可能\n其實不多啦除了美中跟美台之間之外其他基本上美國因為他最主要涉及到貿易的這個數字啦那對美國來講貿易逆差比較多的國家裡面當然剩下台灣跟中國這個是兩大的對象那其他的都已經差不多定了雖然跟美日之間還沒有到書面詳細的這個確定已經先做一些宣布那但是基本上\n就是說就是台灣算是特別那也代表我們談判的團隊努力能夠爭取到更多的時間就台美可能的經貿不管是貿易投資或未來的科技產業的發展能夠有更全面的討論\n接下來我想請教的問題跟農業部有關我想請杜次長先上台也請部長先等一下有關農漁業所面臨的危機四月份對於對等關稅宣布以來有幾項農漁產品被列為衝擊比較大的名單當中\n那其中這個鬼頭刀鬼頭刀的部分是最受影響的漁產之一在全台灣每年我們從屏東到宜蘭的南方澳這個捕獲的鬼頭刀大概是四五千公噸左右那主要外銷的市場以美國為主\n那其中有很大的部分這個宜蘭南方澳的漁港大概佔了三成那我想在這段時間我們也聽到許多這個漁民對於這個這方面表達他們的擔憂因為在目前所實施的這個暫時性關稅之下相較以往從0%一下子就變成20%了那\n他們最希望當然是還能夠談判到比較低的一個稅率也希望能夠獲得政府比較大的一個支持那幫助他們度過這個眼前的難關我想目前最大的這些競爭的國家他們對等的關稅包括秘魯他只有10%那厄瓜多是15%越南20%\n那對等關稅的這個提高可能會促使美國在他們的進口商在尋找替代的供應來源的時候譬如他們會向中南美洲的這些國家來進口那會面臨的這個銷價競爭恐怕都會是對台灣漁民這個生計造成相當大的影響那對這個部分我想請教我們農業部有沒有什麼因應的辦法\n首先先感謝委員支持農業特別是在漁業的這一塊我們也知道這次談判雖然即使是暫時的結果20%的暫時性關稅但是確實是比原來的0%確實是增加對漁業的影響特別是軌道道部分大概就像委員說的三個部分第一個我們希望當然是要繼續談希望能把這個關稅再談低\n希望這一定要繼續努力那第二個對這個產業的支持那當然是要再增加那怎麼支持因為遠洋漁業其實大概有兩個部分第一個是在漁船認證部分我們這會來協助那第二個是在他的多元行銷我們包括在冷鏈在加工煤盒在協助拓展其他市場這我們也會繼續來做那第三個更重要的是資金\n我想對於這段時間所有漁民受到的影響在資金上面的支持對他們來講非常有幫助而且能協助他們渡過這個難關我想農業部絕對跟我們的農漁民在一起謝謝委員提醒也謝謝委員支持市長您也直接回答我接下來要問的問題我想在我們補助方面我們之前我也請教過了\n在我們冷鏈設備的提升目前補助只有50%這個部分我想說請我們農業部是不是可以研究看看能夠全額來補助幫助漁民來這個協助他們在這個相關設施上的申請這是第一點\n那在開拓多元市場的部分我想我們除了外銷部分外銷部分我們是不是有辦法再去開拓新的市場比如歐盟或其他國家那內銷的部分我們是不是可以打開我們國內的相關的通路讓我們這些漁產也可以在國內做這個更好的一個行銷我想這方面還是請我們這個農業部這邊來協助另外還有一個我要提醒就是在\n剛剛我們所質詢的這些內容還有我們關稅的相關問題其實我們要去了解這些內容已經非常的這個要非常的用心去了解所以有一些漁民或是農民可能對於這些資訊沒有辦法那麼的詳盡的了解\n我想在這個這個政令的宣傳或是相關的這個傳達訊息的時候我希望我們農業部能夠再做一些比較簡化的這些傳達的方式讓農漁民可以直接了解相關的內容\n好 謝謝委員提醒 我相信跟我們的漁民社會講最簡單最直接的方法 他們最容易了解所以我們很樂意去跟他們談 第一個當然就是說政府有哪些措施他可以怎麼來申請 這點要跟我詳澈他才知道說原來有這些幫助可以來提出那第二個就是剛剛提到的不管是國外的新市場 那漁船的認證國內的我們也沒和加工廠來做多元洗澡這我們都會繼續來做 真的謝謝委員提醒\n好 那另外一個簡單的問一下我們次長就是豬肉的部分那在宜蘭縣現在是量少價養對於這個攤商來講大概是週休四日那未來有可能會週休五日那對這個部分我們農業部有沒有對於這個豬肉市場的部分有什麼因應的方式是有可能進口嗎 加大這個進口量嗎\n應該這樣說啦就是就國內豬園的部分我們當然自己供應大概國內需求大概90%這是我們國產豬肉因為大家對台灣豬肉確實是比較有喜好跟信心那進口當然也有進口因為特別是加工業他們會用進口豬肉去做一些這個加工產品的一些補充那所以就最近老實講確實也是因為這個天氣的關係那也是因為中原節我們接下來有一些需求會增加我們這個部分就是調節台塘一些大豬場\n看能不能增工一些那第二個就是就加工業者的部分他們自己也就是少抓一些國內的豬肉由他們自己的冷凍庫存的進口肉去做一些補充所以大概是這樣雙管齊下來做調節因為接下來除了中元節以外還有一個中秋節那整個我們國內的這個市場需求量應該會提高啦好 謝謝委員提醒也請我們農業部應該是儘早做好準備啦好 謝謝委員提醒不管是這個關稅的談判還是說這個農漁\n這個畜牧產業所面臨的相關危機我也請我們農業部能夠積極地來採取相關的因應措施的辦法讓我們的產業以及民生的這個衝擊影響都能夠降低到降到最低以符合這個民眾的需求好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.573 --> 00:03.370\n謝謝主席那我們先請林佳龍部長\n\n00:11.069 --> 00:30.017\n部長早委員早部長想先就這個我們關稅談判的部分來就教部長那目前我們在進行中的這個關稅談判經過上週本委員會的一個會議以及在本週一經由我們曾立軍副院長還有行政團隊的說明之後那對於這個當前的情況\n\n00:32.918 --> 00:58.374\n我相信民眾應該都進一步的清楚啦那對於近日已經實施上路的這個暫行關稅的這個稅率的部分我想請教部長就您所知的部分對於台灣已經開始實施的這個20%暫時性稅率會實施多久那有沒有能夠觀察它的相關的一個指標那與美國的這個協議內容是否會簽訂這個書面的文件\n\n01:00.939 --> 01:07.306\n是跟委員報告我們當然在鄭麗君副院長領導下的談判團隊其實都備好方案那也跟這個USTR美國貿易代表署\n\n01:20.226 --> 01:32.123\n談得到一個就是接近可以發表聲明不過當然這個也涉及到包括因為台美關係還有包括半導體跟這些資通訊產業尤其是232的條款所以這之間會有一些關聯性\n\n01:36.629 --> 01:38.371\n再來當然我們也知道川普總統很在乎投資美國台灣是少數其實是可以結合成就是說台美聯合艦隊在半導體AI產業上的發展所以這個之間確實會互相影響\n\n01:53.422 --> 01:59.547\n另外一個就是當然台灣是現在幾乎是唯一被降的這個所謂暫時關稅但是還保持談判就等著川普總統最後綜合考慮這個確實是互相會有一些影響不過我想就談判團隊來講在對等關稅就是全力以赴先能夠把這個32%降下來變成20%那後續的發展當然會跟其他的台美之間的經貿\n\n02:21.324 --> 02:41.447\n這個互動會有一些可能的關係好那我們都是還在持續談判當中大家還是關注的就是最終的這個稅率那有沒有可能美國對所有的國家的這個稅率都會是暫時性的稅率那未來將會在各種情況下隨時做調整有沒有可能\n\n02:42.097 --> 02:49.739\n其實不多啦除了美中跟美台之間之外其他基本上美國因為他最主要涉及到貿易的這個數字啦那對美國來講貿易逆差比較多的國家裡面當然剩下台灣跟中國這個是兩大的對象那其他的都已經差不多定了雖然跟美日之間還沒有到書面詳細的這個確定已經先做一些宣布那但是基本上\n\n03:12.349 --> 03:15.151\n就是說就是台灣算是特別那也代表我們談判的團隊努力能夠爭取到更多的時間就台美可能的經貿不管是貿易投資或未來的科技產業的發展能夠有更全面的討論\n\n03:34.100 --> 03:42.325\n接下來我想請教的問題跟農業部有關我想請杜次長先上台也請部長先等一下有關農漁業所面臨的危機四月份對於對等關稅宣布以來有幾項農漁產品被列為衝擊比較大的名單當中\n\n03:58.376 --> 04:17.133\n那其中這個鬼頭刀鬼頭刀的部分是最受影響的漁產之一在全台灣每年我們從屏東到宜蘭的南方澳這個捕獲的鬼頭刀大概是四五千公噸左右那主要外銷的市場以美國為主\n\n04:18.334 --> 04:39.869\n那其中有很大的部分這個宜蘭南方澳的漁港大概佔了三成那我想在這段時間我們也聽到許多這個漁民對於這個這方面表達他們的擔憂因為在目前所實施的這個暫時性關稅之下相較以往從0%一下子就變成20%了那\n\n04:42.551 --> 05:01.837\n他們最希望當然是還能夠談判到比較低的一個稅率也希望能夠獲得政府比較大的一個支持那幫助他們度過這個眼前的難關我想目前最大的這些競爭的國家他們對等的關稅包括秘魯他只有10%那厄瓜多是15%越南20%\n\n05:03.197 --> 05:27.358\n那對等關稅的這個提高可能會促使美國在他們的進口商在尋找替代的供應來源的時候譬如他們會向中南美洲的這些國家來進口那會面臨的這個銷價競爭恐怕都會是對台灣漁民這個生計造成相當大的影響那對這個部分我想請教我們農業部有沒有什麼因應的辦法\n\n05:28.603 --> 05:49.655\n首先先感謝委員支持農業特別是在漁業的這一塊我們也知道這次談判雖然即使是暫時的結果20%的暫時性關稅但是確實是比原來的0%確實是增加對漁業的影響特別是軌道道部分大概就像委員說的三個部分第一個我們希望當然是要繼續談希望能把這個關稅再談低\n\n05:51.876 --> 06:12.864\n希望這一定要繼續努力那第二個對這個產業的支持那當然是要再增加那怎麼支持因為遠洋漁業其實大概有兩個部分第一個是在漁船認證部分我們這會來協助那第二個是在他的多元行銷我們包括在冷鏈在加工煤盒在協助拓展其他市場這我們也會繼續來做那第三個更重要的是資金\n\n06:13.724 --> 06:31.674\n我想對於這段時間所有漁民受到的影響在資金上面的支持對他們來講非常有幫助而且能協助他們渡過這個難關我想農業部絕對跟我們的農漁民在一起謝謝委員提醒也謝謝委員支持市長您也直接回答我接下來要問的問題我想在我們補助方面我們之前我也請教過了\n\n06:36.917 --> 06:52.714\n在我們冷鏈設備的提升目前補助只有50%這個部分我想說請我們農業部是不是可以研究看看能夠全額來補助幫助漁民來這個協助他們在這個相關設施上的申請這是第一點\n\n06:53.214 --> 07:20.198\n那在開拓多元市場的部分我想我們除了外銷部分外銷部分我們是不是有辦法再去開拓新的市場比如歐盟或其他國家那內銷的部分我們是不是可以打開我們國內的相關的通路讓我們這些漁產也可以在國內做這個更好的一個行銷我想這方面還是請我們這個農業部這邊來協助另外還有一個我要提醒就是在\n\n07:21.559 --> 07:38.087\n剛剛我們所質詢的這些內容還有我們關稅的相關問題其實我們要去了解這些內容已經非常的這個要非常的用心去了解所以有一些漁民或是農民可能對於這些資訊沒有辦法那麼的詳盡的了解\n\n07:39.508 --> 07:52.820\n我想在這個這個政令的宣傳或是相關的這個傳達訊息的時候我希望我們農業部能夠再做一些比較簡化的這些傳達的方式讓農漁民可以直接了解相關的內容\n\n07:53.254 --> 08:19.353\n好謝謝委員提醒我相信跟我們的漁民社會講最簡單最直接的方法他們最容易了解所以我們很樂意去跟他們談第一個當然就是說政府有哪些措施他可以怎麼來申請這點要跟我詳澈他才知道說原來有這些幫助可以來提出那第二個就是剛剛提到的不管是國外的新市場那漁船的認證國內的我們也沒和加工廠來做多元洗澡這我們都會繼續來做真的謝謝委員提醒\n\n08:19.793 --> 08:43.279\n好那另外一個簡單的問一下我們次長就是豬肉的部分那在宜蘭縣現在是量少價養對於這個攤商來講大概是週休四日那未來有可能會週休五日那對這個部分我們農業部有沒有對於這個豬肉市場的部分有什麼因應的方式是有可能進口嗎加大這個進口量嗎\n\n08:46.601 --> 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謝謝委員提醒 我相信跟我們的漁民社會講最簡單最直接的方法 他們最容易了解所以我們很樂意去跟他們談 第一個當然就是說政府有哪些措施他可以怎麼來申請 這點要跟我詳澈他才知道說原來有這些幫助可以來提出那第二個就是剛剛提到的不管是國外的新市場 那漁船的認證國內的我們也沒和加工廠來做多元洗澡這我們都會繼續來做 真的謝謝委員提醒"},{"start":499.793,"end":523.279,"text":"好 那另外一個簡單的問一下我們次長就是豬肉的部分那在宜蘭縣現在是量少價養對於這個攤商來講大概是週休四日那未來有可能會週休五日那對這個部分我們農業部有沒有對於這個豬肉市場的部分有什麼因應的方式是有可能進口嗎 加大這個進口量嗎"},{"start":526.601,"end":553.88,"text":"應該這樣說啦就是就國內豬園的部分我們當然自己供應大概國內需求大概90%這是我們國產豬肉因為大家對台灣豬肉確實是比較有喜好跟信心那進口當然也有進口因為特別是加工業他們會用進口豬肉去做一些這個加工產品的一些補充那所以就最近老實講確實也是因為這個天氣的關係那也是因為中原節我們接下來有一些需求會增加我們這個部分就是調節台塘一些大豬場"},{"start":554.58,"end":581.758,"text":"看能不能增工一些那第二個就是就加工業者的部分他們自己也就是少抓一些國內的豬肉由他們自己的冷凍庫存的進口肉去做一些補充所以大概是這樣雙管齊下來做調節因為接下來除了中元節以外還有一個中秋節那整個我們國內的這個市場需求量應該會提高啦好 謝謝委員提醒也請我們農業部應該是儘早做好準備啦好 謝謝委員提醒不管是這個關稅的談判還是說這個農漁"},{"start":585.101,"end":601.153,"text":"這個畜牧產業所面臨的相關危機我也請我們農業部能夠積極地來採取相關的因應措施的辦法讓我們的產業以及民生的這個衝擊影響都能夠降低到降到最低以符合這個民眾的需求好 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