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--> 00:02:00,036\n謝謝委員給我這個機會其實當天的一個對答實在是有一點失焦有一點失焦是你對答還是國民黨在喊口號對答委員跟我在當場的這個對答彼此有一點失焦了\n\n7\n00:02:00,656 --> 00:02:17,644\n那後來媒體報導之後大家把它連結在一起變成我說告急是不可以的那這個當然我當場沒有描述得很清楚這我要自己負責任我不能怪別人但是在事後我已經把這個事情說明得很清楚了\n\n8\n00:02:18,664 --> 00:02:45,846\n我當初的回答的意思是說你即使是用告其或者是什麼方式都不能夠夾帶類似民調之類的東西我的意思是這個樣子但是我沒有講得很清楚這中間有一個段落因此大家沒有辦法將前面的問話跟後面的回答把它區隔反而是把它連結在一起\n\n9\n00:02:46,926 --> 00:03:11,562\n這連結在一起就變成我說不可以告急那這一點我利用這個機會再一次的向大家來做個說明好謝謝我們主委所以今天就是我要問你這個問題就讓你跟民眾有機會再解釋一次是啦告急這個在各種選舉裡面到最後大家這樣說救命其實這很平常的事情\n\n10\n00:03:12,544 --> 00:03:41,924\n很臨場的事情所以說因為那時候你說情急所以我們希望你今天就是要講清楚因為我們中選會對政治口號的執法標準是什麼現在大家也不知道因為這個說可以那個不說不可以但是為什麼過去我們民進黨喊口號也不用查很多都沒有在查所以大家就會很多人現在都不知道\n\n11\n00:03:42,904 --> 00:04:08,459\n講一句話不出法講哪一句話是可以所以我們希望我們的中選會就是要有中立中立的標準來去喊口號或者是說要去喊口號的時候如果應該是講這些不行我們就要去查不分哪一個黨我們希望我們的中選會就是要\n\n12\n00:04:09,219 --> 00:04:23,415\n要有標準的一個做法我們現在要求你就是要有一個標準的做法所以在我們8月23日我們河山公投大罷免的時候\n\n13\n00:04:24,216 --> 00:04:44,555\n同一天執行中選會的角色應該是中立提供正反雙方的資訊但是要確保就是選民獲得的完整但是平衡的信息然而我們卻看到的很多應該要保持中立\n\n14\n00:04:45,396 --> 00:04:59,696\n的行政官員跑去站台參加就是宣傳的活動這種行政不但破壞的行政中立好我們下一頁按下一頁所以呢更\n\n15\n00:05:01,347 --> 00:05:28,620\n更可能讓行政的資源人為特定的立場就是助選的工具所以我們要請教一下我們中選會為什麼沒有立即停止制止就是要如何建立這樣子的機制防止就是行政的機關濫用資源介入公投所以我們想要請教一下我們的中選會\n\n16\n00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:52,234\n第一點就是有關於公投那中選會作為一個主辦的機關我們是秉持中立的立場來辦理相關的選務至於正反雙方各有主張我們認為正反雙方的這個主張都應該要透過適當的管道來讓選民他們能夠了解\n\n17\n00:05:52,774 --> 00:06:21,195\n以便於做一個理性的決定所以因此我們辦了五場的電視的意見發表會最後一場也是在明天晚上的七點鐘在華視的頻道播出我們一樣在呼籲民眾能夠踴躍的來收看除此之外我們還利用很多多元的管道包括電視網路包括廣播包括這個\n\n18\n00:06:22,416 --> 00:06:51,536\n這個我們都知道每一個人都有去看但是我們要問的就是說我們的行政官員政務官去參加就是一個宣傳的活動所以說我們覺得這樣子是立場不中立去宣傳的活動去參加的就是靠邊站這樣的行政官員就是行政院長內政部長都是大罷免或者是我們公投\n\n19\n00:06:52,776 --> 00:07:16,305\n他是行政官員所以說他這樣子的立場所以你覺得這樣子的做法是有中立嗎這樣是靠邊站這樣可以嗎這個部分我們要怎麼去定所以就是跑各個地方在做站台的動作他不是立委他現在是政務官\n\n20\n00:07:17,265 --> 00:07:43,720\n所以我們要怎麼樣去保持這樣子的選舉的中立我們想要的知道說你怎麼樣去制止或者定立的是這樣子的規定跟委員報告那這一部分的問題並不屬於中選會的權責但是你有在網路在別人在問你的說你說行政官員是當事人對不對行政是當事人\n\n21\n00:07:44,480 --> 00:08:06,387\n你回這樣子啊這個是在這個公投案公投案總有正方有反方嘛有正方有反方對啊你已經辦公就是辯論的辯論會剛才你講的很多場了嘛但是他跑去就是民進黨辦的場來去站台啊這個我們管不到了\n\n22\n00:08:06,947 --> 00:08:34,830\n對啊但是怎麼什麼管不到但是你們行政人員你還回說他是行政官員是當事人他是選舉的當事人嗎還是他是民進黨的當事人有沒有違反行政中立這個要由權責機關來做認定來做處理好如果你說這樣的話像剛才你看這些這樣子的話在在這樣的審查的時候你們要不要辦\n\n23\n00:08:36,001 --> 00:08:57,668\n什麼審查對你審查這些都亂講的話跟我們的公投的意義的精神都不對啊你要不要去查這個言論對不對這是有你之前有去告喔所以我們在公投宣導上我們8月5號葉教授明確指出就是河山\n\n24\n00:08:58,868 --> 00:09:04,252\n耐震能力的比台北101還強還要非常關鍵的科學的事實當我們看到的地方就是用這樣子的浪費11億或者風險留在後代這種片面的說法帶風向所以請我們的主委要交代說中選會在全國宣導的計畫如何明確的傳達\n\n25\n00:09:27,786 --> 00:09:51,544\n如果是這樣子的像這樣的話我們要不要去查去告因為之前你們覺得說選不對都要去告啊如果是我們地方選委會有偏頗和反核的宣傳這樣子我們要如何去糾正啊中選會不能夠介入正反雙方的攻防啦攻心可以被鎖住一點\n\n26\n00:09:52,685 --> 00:10:03,171\n那如果是我們地方的選委會我們的選務人員有違反中立的規定的話那我們有責任要去查處對所以你就是要去糾正不是說別人那是我們的選務人員的部分\n\n27\n00:10:08,427 --> 00:10:25,398\n沒錯所以我們希望就是說我們中學人會在公投中啦應該就是說是資訊守門人對不對所以我們要如何確保就是核三就是科學的實際那是說別人在去\n\n28\n00:10:26,198 --> 00:10:38,072\n到處造謠到處講的都不是事實所以我們中選會要去做公聽會要去宣導這件事是事實的事我們要去查要去糾正不能讓說什麼東歐不講這跟我們的公投的事實都不一樣\n\n29\n00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:59,469\n所以我們希望你要介入來去查這些事情立法院交付的公投案並沒有公聽會的規定但是我們有辦電視的意見發表會是啊所以說意見發表會是雙方不一樣的意見但是說我們是一個資訊的守門人所以我們一定要明確的我不能去判斷委員請你能夠諒解我們不能夠去判斷\n\n30\n00:11:12,950 --> 00:11:25,184\n你們沒辦法去判斷所以說這些都是在網路亂傳的話就跟你們都沒有關係如果有違法的地方權責機關自然他們會去查處但是這部分並不屬於中選會的權責範圍之內\n\n31\n00:11:29,116 --> 00:11:55,612\n所以就是之前別人在之前你去告的也是因為是我們在選舉的時候有一些對選舉的稽查或者是講話還是什麼或者不明確所以你們就要去告他後來就不起訴但是現在公投跟大罷免變成大家都親切講你都沒管就對了\n\n32\n00:11:57,623 --> 00:12:15,897\n講對沒對都沒管得到就是違法我們公投的精神你也不管不是我剛剛跟委員報告過依照這個選罷法的規定大概有兩個部分一個50條一個45條50條牽涉到刑事責任這是由司法機關來管45條這是行政責任是規範我們的選務人員這部分中選會會管\n\n33\n00:12:23,968 --> 00:12:49,103\n好如果是這樣子的話我們就是希望說你就是有一些片面的因為你們本來就是不管是選舉你們都要去到處來去說宣導嘛對不對公投都沒有去做宣導選發法也沒有去宣導對啊有宣導的話正確的如果是很多都不正確你們一定要介入啦\n\n34\n00:12:49,503 --> 00:13:10,695\n不能說鋪天蓋地了大家講都不正確就影響到我們的立法的精神我們的宣導是就選務的部分來做宣導我們的宣導不能過去說要不要當然我就選務是說公投的精神我們的公投的精神不能讓這些就是講偏薄或者是對我們的公投的意義\n\n35\n00:13:17,762 --> 00:13:27,632\n就整個就是亂套了這樣的話我們希望說中選會你也要去灌一下啦不可以說青菜都是亂掉的我們醫保來辦理好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6758\t11444\t主席好有請中選會主委麻煩中選會主委好\n23804\t42130\t主委好想要請教主委一下我們在7月罷免案國民黨函告急你一開始說這樣的話就會認定說它是就是不行後來你就改口說沒有沒說不能\n43070\t53743\t所以因為你是我們中選會最高的主管你說出來的都是應該是行政命令不能這麼說但是我們平民百姓\n56099\t83634\t當這樣子的就是公投跟罷免依據什麼標準來去喊口號去說話才不會觸法呢所以要請教你因為你是決定者讓我們要在每一個地方要來去喊口號或者是要說話的時候怎麼樣才不會觸法所以但是呢在2018年你自己在選舉也高喊\n85335\t100540\t選情危險那麼那個時候就說沒有這樣個案的認定這個標準是到底在哪裡所以你覺得如何比較處理比較好因為你在做決定\n102655\t120036\t謝謝委員給我這個機會其實當天的一個對答實在是有一點失焦有一點失焦是你對答還是國民黨在喊口號對答委員跟我在當場的這個對答彼此有一點失焦了\n120656\t137644\t那後來媒體報導之後大家把它連結在一起變成我說告急是不可以的那這個當然我當場沒有描述得很清楚這我要自己負責任我不能怪別人但是在事後我已經把這個事情說明得很清楚了\n138664\t165846\t我當初的回答的意思是說你即使是用告其或者是什麼方式都不能夠夾帶類似民調之類的東西我的意思是這個樣子但是我沒有講得很清楚這中間有一個段落因此大家沒有辦法將前面的問話跟後面的回答把它區隔反而是把它連結在一起\n166926\t191562\t這連結在一起就變成我說不可以告急那這一點我利用這個機會再一次的向大家來做個說明好 謝謝我們主委所以今天就是我要問你這個問題就讓你跟民眾有機會再解釋一次是啦 告急這個在各種選舉裡面到最後大家這樣說救命其實這很平常的事情\n192544\t221924\t很臨場的事情所以說因為那時候你說情急所以我們希望你今天就是要講清楚因為我們中選會對政治口號的執法標準是什麼現在大家也不知道因為這個說可以那個不說不可以但是為什麼過去我們民進黨喊口號也不用查很多都沒有在查所以大家就會很多人現在都不知道\n222904\t248459\t講一句話不出法 講哪一句話是可以所以我們希望我們的中選會就是要有中立中立的標準來去喊口號 或者是說要去喊口號的時候如果應該是講這些不行 我們就要去查不分哪一個黨 我們希望我們的中選會就是要\n249219\t263415\t要有標準的一個做法我們現在要求你就是要有一個標準的做法所以在我們8月23日我們河山公投大罷免的時候\n264216\t284555\t同一天執行中選會的角色應該是中立提供正反雙方的資訊但是要確保就是選民獲得的完整但是平衡的信息然而我們卻看到的很多應該要保持中立\n285396\t299696\t的行政官員跑去站台參加就是宣傳的活動這種行政不但破壞的行政中立 好 我們下一頁 按下一頁所以呢更\n301347\t328620\t更可能讓行政的資源人為特定的立場就是助選的工具所以我們要請教一下我們中選會為什麼沒有立即停止 制止就是要如何建立這樣子的機制防止就是行政的機關濫用資源 介入公投所以我們想要請教一下我們的中選會\n329680\t352234\t第一點就是有關於公投那中選會作為一個主辦的機關我們是秉持中立的立場來辦理相關的選務至於正反雙方各有主張我們認為正反雙方的這個主張都應該要透過適當的管道來讓選民他們能夠了解\n352774\t381195\t以便於做一個理性的決定所以因此我們辦了五場的電視的意見發表會最後一場也是在明天晚上的七點鐘在華視的頻道播出我們一樣在呼籲民眾能夠踴躍的來收看除此之外我們還利用很多多元的管道包括電視 網路包括廣播包括這個\n382416\t411536\t這個我們都知道每一個人都有去看但是我們要問的就是說我們的行政官員政務官去參加就是一個宣傳的活動所以說我們覺得這樣子是立場不中立去宣傳的活動去參加的就是靠邊站這樣的行政官員就是行政院長內政部長都是大罷免或者是我們公投\n412776\t436305\t他是行政官員 所以說他這樣子的立場所以你覺得這樣子的做法是有中立嗎這樣是靠邊站 這樣可以嗎這個部分我們要怎麼去定所以就是跑各個地方在做站台的動作他不是立委 他現在是政務官\n437265\t463720\t所以我們要怎麼樣去保持這樣子的選舉的中立我們想要的知道說你怎麼樣去制止或者定立的是這樣子的規定跟委員報告那這一部分的問題並不屬於中選會的權責但是你有在網路在別人在問你的說你說行政官員是當事人對不對 行政是當事人\n464480\t486387\t你回這樣子啊這個是在這個公投案公投案總有正方有反方嘛有正方有反方對啊你已經辦公就是辯論的辯論會剛才你講的很多場了嘛但是他跑去就是民進黨辦的場來去站台啊這個我們管不到了\n486947\t514830\t對啊但是怎麼什麼管不到但是你們行政人員你還回說他是行政官員是當事人他是選舉的當事人嗎還是他是民進黨的當事人有沒有違反行政中立這個要由權責機關來做認定來做處理好如果你說這樣的話像剛才你看這些這樣子的話在在這樣的審查的時候你們要不要辦\n516001\t537668\t什麼審查對 你審查這些都亂講的話跟我們的公投的意義的精神都不對啊你要不要去查這個言論對不對這是有你之前有去告喔所以我們在公投宣導上我們8月5號葉教授明確指出就是河山\n538868\t544252\t耐震能力的比台北101還強還要非常關鍵的科學的事實當我們看到的地方就是用這樣子的浪費11億或者風險留在後代這種片面的說法帶風向所以請我們的主委要交代說中選會在全國宣導的計畫如何明確的傳達\n567786\t591544\t如果是這樣子的 像這樣的話我們要不要去查去告因為之前你們覺得說選不對都要去告啊如果是我們地方選委會有偏頗和反核的宣傳這樣子我們要如何去糾正啊中選會不能夠介入正反雙方的攻防啦攻心可以被鎖住一點\n592685\t603171\t那如果是我們地方的選委會我們的選務人員有違反中立的規定的話那我們有責任要去查處對 所以你就是要去糾正不是說別人那是我們的選務人員的部分\n608427\t625398\t沒錯所以我們希望就是說我們中學人會在公投中啦應該就是說是資訊守門人對不對所以我們要如何確保就是核三就是科學的實際那是說別人在去\n626198\t638072\t到處造謠 到處講的都不是事實所以我們中選會要去做 公聽會要去宣導這件事是事實的事我們要去查 要去糾正 不能讓說什麼東歐不講這跟我們的公投的事實都不一樣\n645200\t659469\t所以我們希望你要介入來去查這些事情立法院交付的公投案並沒有公聽會的規定但是我們有辦電視的意見發表會是啊 所以說意見發表會是雙方不一樣的意見但是說我們是一個資訊的守門人所以我們一定要明確的我不能去判斷委員請你能夠諒解 我們不能夠去判斷\n672950\t685184\t你們沒辦法去判斷 所以說這些都是在網路亂傳的話就跟你們都沒有關係如果有違法的地方 權責機關 自然他們會去查處但是這部分並不屬於中選會的權責範圍之內\n689116\t715612\t所以就是之前別人在之前你去告的也是因為是我們在選舉的時候有一些對選舉的稽查或者是講話還是什麼或者不明確所以你們就要去告他後來就不起訴但是現在公投跟大罷免變成大家都親切講你都沒管就對了\n717623\t735897\t講對沒對都沒管得到就是違法我們公投的精神你也不管不是我剛剛跟委員報告過依照這個選罷法的規定大概有兩個部分一個50條一個45條50條牽涉到刑事責任這是由司法機關來管45條這是行政責任是規範我們的選務人員這部分中選會會管\n743968\t769103\t好 如果是這樣子的話 我們就是希望說你就是有一些片面的因為你們本來就是不管是選舉你們都要去到處來去說宣導嘛 對不對公投都沒有去做宣導 選發法也沒有去宣導對啊 有宣導的話 正確的如果是很多都不正確 你們一定要介入啦\n769503\t790695\t不能說鋪天蓋地了大家講都不正確就影響到我們的立法的精神我們的宣導是就選務的部分來做宣導我們的宣導不能過去說要不要當然 我就選務是說公投的精神我們的公投的精神不能讓這些就是講偏薄或者是對我們的公投的意義\n797762\t807632\t就整個就是亂套了這樣的話我們希望說中選會你也要去灌一下啦不可以說青菜都是亂掉的我們醫保來辦理好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席好有請中選會主委麻煩中選會主委好\n主委好想要請教主委一下我們在7月罷免案國民黨函告急你一開始說這樣的話就會認定說它是就是不行後來你就改口說沒有沒說不能\n所以因為你是我們中選會最高的主管你說出來的都是應該是行政命令不能這麼說但是我們平民百姓\n當這樣子的就是公投跟罷免依據什麼標準來去喊口號去說話才不會觸法呢所以要請教你因為你是決定者讓我們要在每一個地方要來去喊口號或者是要說話的時候怎麼樣才不會觸法所以但是呢在2018年你自己在選舉也高喊\n選情危險那麼那個時候就說沒有這樣個案的認定這個標準是到底在哪裡所以你覺得如何比較處理比較好因為你在做決定\n謝謝委員給我這個機會其實當天的一個對答實在是有一點失焦有一點失焦是你對答還是國民黨在喊口號對答委員跟我在當場的這個對答彼此有一點失焦了\n那後來媒體報導之後大家把它連結在一起變成我說告急是不可以的那這個當然我當場沒有描述得很清楚這我要自己負責任我不能怪別人但是在事後我已經把這個事情說明得很清楚了\n我當初的回答的意思是說你即使是用告其或者是什麼方式都不能夠夾帶類似民調之類的東西我的意思是這個樣子但是我沒有講得很清楚這中間有一個段落因此大家沒有辦法將前面的問話跟後面的回答把它區隔反而是把它連結在一起\n這連結在一起就變成我說不可以告急那這一點我利用這個機會再一次的向大家來做個說明好 謝謝我們主委所以今天就是我要問你這個問題就讓你跟民眾有機會再解釋一次是啦 告急這個在各種選舉裡面到最後大家這樣說救命其實這很平常的事情\n很臨場的事情所以說因為那時候你說情急所以我們希望你今天就是要講清楚因為我們中選會對政治口號的執法標準是什麼現在大家也不知道因為這個說可以那個不說不可以但是為什麼過去我們民進黨喊口號也不用查很多都沒有在查所以大家就會很多人現在都不知道\n講一句話不出法 講哪一句話是可以所以我們希望我們的中選會就是要有中立中立的標準來去喊口號 或者是說要去喊口號的時候如果應該是講這些不行 我們就要去查不分哪一個黨 我們希望我們的中選會就是要\n要有標準的一個做法我們現在要求你就是要有一個標準的做法所以在我們8月23日我們河山公投大罷免的時候\n同一天執行中選會的角色應該是中立提供正反雙方的資訊但是要確保就是選民獲得的完整但是平衡的信息然而我們卻看到的很多應該要保持中立\n的行政官員跑去站台參加就是宣傳的活動這種行政不但破壞的行政中立 好 我們下一頁 按下一頁所以呢更\n更可能讓行政的資源人為特定的立場就是助選的工具所以我們要請教一下我們中選會為什麼沒有立即停止 制止就是要如何建立這樣子的機制防止就是行政的機關濫用資源 介入公投所以我們想要請教一下我們的中選會\n第一點就是有關於公投那中選會作為一個主辦的機關我們是秉持中立的立場來辦理相關的選務至於正反雙方各有主張我們認為正反雙方的這個主張都應該要透過適當的管道來讓選民他們能夠了解\n以便於做一個理性的決定所以因此我們辦了五場的電視的意見發表會最後一場也是在明天晚上的七點鐘在華視的頻道播出我們一樣在呼籲民眾能夠踴躍的來收看除此之外我們還利用很多多元的管道包括電視 網路包括廣播包括這個\n這個我們都知道每一個人都有去看但是我們要問的就是說我們的行政官員政務官去參加就是一個宣傳的活動所以說我們覺得這樣子是立場不中立去宣傳的活動去參加的就是靠邊站這樣的行政官員就是行政院長內政部長都是大罷免或者是我們公投\n他是行政官員 所以說他這樣子的立場所以你覺得這樣子的做法是有中立嗎這樣是靠邊站 這樣可以嗎這個部分我們要怎麼去定所以就是跑各個地方在做站台的動作他不是立委 他現在是政務官\n所以我們要怎麼樣去保持這樣子的選舉的中立我們想要的知道說你怎麼樣去制止或者定立的是這樣子的規定跟委員報告那這一部分的問題並不屬於中選會的權責但是你有在網路在別人在問你的說你說行政官員是當事人對不對 行政是當事人\n你回這樣子啊這個是在這個公投案公投案總有正方有反方嘛有正方有反方對啊你已經辦公就是辯論的辯論會剛才你講的很多場了嘛但是他跑去就是民進黨辦的場來去站台啊這個我們管不到了\n對啊但是怎麼什麼管不到但是你們行政人員你還回說他是行政官員是當事人他是選舉的當事人嗎還是他是民進黨的當事人有沒有違反行政中立這個要由權責機關來做認定來做處理好如果你說這樣的話像剛才你看這些這樣子的話在在這樣的審查的時候你們要不要辦\n什麼審查對 你審查這些都亂講的話跟我們的公投的意義的精神都不對啊你要不要去查這個言論對不對這是有你之前有去告喔所以我們在公投宣導上我們8月5號葉教授明確指出就是河山\n耐震能力的比台北101還強還要非常關鍵的科學的事實當我們看到的地方就是用這樣子的浪費11億或者風險留在後代這種片面的說法帶風向所以請我們的主委要交代說中選會在全國宣導的計畫如何明確的傳達\n如果是這樣子的 像這樣的話我們要不要去查去告因為之前你們覺得說選不對都要去告啊如果是我們地方選委會有偏頗和反核的宣傳這樣子我們要如何去糾正啊中選會不能夠介入正反雙方的攻防啦攻心可以被鎖住一點\n那如果是我們地方的選委會我們的選務人員有違反中立的規定的話那我們有責任要去查處對 所以你就是要去糾正不是說別人那是我們的選務人員的部分\n沒錯所以我們希望就是說我們中學人會在公投中啦應該就是說是資訊守門人對不對所以我們要如何確保就是核三就是科學的實際那是說別人在去\n到處造謠 到處講的都不是事實所以我們中選會要去做 公聽會要去宣導這件事是事實的事我們要去查 要去糾正 不能讓說什麼東歐不講這跟我們的公投的事實都不一樣\n所以我們希望你要介入來去查這些事情立法院交付的公投案並沒有公聽會的規定但是我們有辦電視的意見發表會是啊 所以說意見發表會是雙方不一樣的意見但是說我們是一個資訊的守門人所以我們一定要明確的我不能去判斷委員請你能夠諒解 我們不能夠去判斷\n你們沒辦法去判斷 所以說這些都是在網路亂傳的話就跟你們都沒有關係如果有違法的地方 權責機關 自然他們會去查處但是這部分並不屬於中選會的權責範圍之內\n所以就是之前別人在之前你去告的也是因為是我們在選舉的時候有一些對選舉的稽查或者是講話還是什麼或者不明確所以你們就要去告他後來就不起訴但是現在公投跟大罷免變成大家都親切講你都沒管就對了\n講對沒對都沒管得到就是違法我們公投的精神你也不管不是我剛剛跟委員報告過依照這個選罷法的規定大概有兩個部分一個50條一個45條50條牽涉到刑事責任這是由司法機關來管45條這是行政責任是規範我們的選務人員這部分中選會會管\n好 如果是這樣子的話 我們就是希望說你就是有一些片面的因為你們本來就是不管是選舉你們都要去到處來去說宣導嘛 對不對公投都沒有去做宣導 選發法也沒有去宣導對啊 有宣導的話 正確的如果是很多都不正確 你們一定要介入啦\n不能說鋪天蓋地了大家講都不正確就影響到我們的立法的精神我們的宣導是就選務的部分來做宣導我們的宣導不能過去說要不要當然 我就選務是說公投的精神我們的公投的精神不能讓這些就是講偏薄或者是對我們的公投的意義\n就整個就是亂套了這樣的話我們希望說中選會你也要去灌一下啦不可以說青菜都是亂掉的我們醫保來辦理好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.758 --> 00:11.444\n主席好有請中選會主委麻煩中選會主委好\n\n00:23.804 --> 00:42.130\n主委好想要請教主委一下我們在7月罷免案國民黨函告急你一開始說這樣的話就會認定說它是就是不行後來你就改口說沒有沒說不能\n\n00:43.070 --> 00:53.743\n所以因為你是我們中選會最高的主管你說出來的都是應該是行政命令不能這麼說但是我們平民百姓\n\n00:56.099 --> 01:23.634\n當這樣子的就是公投跟罷免依據什麼標準來去喊口號去說話才不會觸法呢所以要請教你因為你是決定者讓我們要在每一個地方要來去喊口號或者是要說話的時候怎麼樣才不會觸法所以但是呢在2018年你自己在選舉也高喊\n\n01:25.335 --> 01:40.540\n選情危險那麼那個時候就說沒有這樣個案的認定這個標準是到底在哪裡所以你覺得如何比較處理比較好因為你在做決定\n\n01:42.655 --> 02:00.036\n謝謝委員給我這個機會其實當天的一個對答實在是有一點失焦有一點失焦是你對答還是國民黨在喊口號對答委員跟我在當場的這個對答彼此有一點失焦了\n\n02:00.656 --> 02:17.644\n那後來媒體報導之後大家把它連結在一起變成我說告急是不可以的那這個當然我當場沒有描述得很清楚這我要自己負責任我不能怪別人但是在事後我已經把這個事情說明得很清楚了\n\n02:18.664 --> 02:45.846\n我當初的回答的意思是說你即使是用告其或者是什麼方式都不能夠夾帶類似民調之類的東西我的意思是這個樣子但是我沒有講得很清楚這中間有一個段落因此大家沒有辦法將前面的問話跟後面的回答把它區隔反而是把它連結在一起\n\n02:46.926 --> 03:11.562\n這連結在一起就變成我說不可以告急那這一點我利用這個機會再一次的向大家來做個說明好謝謝我們主委所以今天就是我要問你這個問題就讓你跟民眾有機會再解釋一次是啦告急這個在各種選舉裡面到最後大家這樣說救命其實這很平常的事情\n\n03:12.544 --> 03:41.924\n很臨場的事情所以說因為那時候你說情急所以我們希望你今天就是要講清楚因為我們中選會對政治口號的執法標準是什麼現在大家也不知道因為這個說可以那個不說不可以但是為什麼過去我們民進黨喊口號也不用查很多都沒有在查所以大家就會很多人現在都不知道\n\n03:42.904 --> 04:08.459\n講一句話不出法講哪一句話是可以所以我們希望我們的中選會就是要有中立中立的標準來去喊口號或者是說要去喊口號的時候如果應該是講這些不行我們就要去查不分哪一個黨我們希望我們的中選會就是要\n\n04:09.219 --> 04:23.415\n要有標準的一個做法我們現在要求你就是要有一個標準的做法所以在我們8月23日我們河山公投大罷免的時候\n\n04:24.216 --> 04:44.555\n同一天執行中選會的角色應該是中立提供正反雙方的資訊但是要確保就是選民獲得的完整但是平衡的信息然而我們卻看到的很多應該要保持中立\n\n04:45.396 --> 04:59.696\n的行政官員跑去站台參加就是宣傳的活動這種行政不但破壞的行政中立好我們下一頁按下一頁所以呢更\n\n05:01.347 --> 05:28.620\n更可能讓行政的資源人為特定的立場就是助選的工具所以我們要請教一下我們中選會為什麼沒有立即停止制止就是要如何建立這樣子的機制防止就是行政的機關濫用資源介入公投所以我們想要請教一下我們的中選會\n\n05:29.680 --> 05:52.234\n第一點就是有關於公投那中選會作為一個主辦的機關我們是秉持中立的立場來辦理相關的選務至於正反雙方各有主張我們認為正反雙方的這個主張都應該要透過適當的管道來讓選民他們能夠了解\n\n05:52.774 --> 06:21.195\n以便於做一個理性的決定所以因此我們辦了五場的電視的意見發表會最後一場也是在明天晚上的七點鐘在華視的頻道播出我們一樣在呼籲民眾能夠踴躍的來收看除此之外我們還利用很多多元的管道包括電視網路包括廣播包括這個\n\n06:22.416 --> 06:51.536\n這個我們都知道每一個人都有去看但是我們要問的就是說我們的行政官員政務官去參加就是一個宣傳的活動所以說我們覺得這樣子是立場不中立去宣傳的活動去參加的就是靠邊站這樣的行政官員就是行政院長內政部長都是大罷免或者是我們公投\n\n06:52.776 --> 07:16.305\n他是行政官員所以說他這樣子的立場所以你覺得這樣子的做法是有中立嗎這樣是靠邊站這樣可以嗎這個部分我們要怎麼去定所以就是跑各個地方在做站台的動作他不是立委他現在是政務官\n\n07:17.265 --> 07:43.720\n所以我們要怎麼樣去保持這樣子的選舉的中立我們想要的知道說你怎麼樣去制止或者定立的是這樣子的規定跟委員報告那這一部分的問題並不屬於中選會的權責但是你有在網路在別人在問你的說你說行政官員是當事人對不對行政是當事人\n\n07:44.480 --> 08:06.387\n你回這樣子啊這個是在這個公投案公投案總有正方有反方嘛有正方有反方對啊你已經辦公就是辯論的辯論會剛才你講的很多場了嘛但是他跑去就是民進黨辦的場來去站台啊這個我們管不到了\n\n08:06.947 --> 08:34.830\n對啊但是怎麼什麼管不到但是你們行政人員你還回說他是行政官員是當事人他是選舉的當事人嗎還是他是民進黨的當事人有沒有違反行政中立這個要由權責機關來做認定來做處理好如果你說這樣的話像剛才你看這些這樣子的話在在這樣的審查的時候你們要不要辦\n\n08:36.001 --> 08:57.668\n什麼審查對你審查這些都亂講的話跟我們的公投的意義的精神都不對啊你要不要去查這個言論對不對這是有你之前有去告喔所以我們在公投宣導上我們8月5號葉教授明確指出就是河山\n\n08:58.868 --> 09:04.252\n耐震能力的比台北101還強還要非常關鍵的科學的事實當我們看到的地方就是用這樣子的浪費11億或者風險留在後代這種片面的說法帶風向所以請我們的主委要交代說中選會在全國宣導的計畫如何明確的傳達\n\n09:27.786 --> 09:51.544\n如果是這樣子的像這樣的話我們要不要去查去告因為之前你們覺得說選不對都要去告啊如果是我們地方選委會有偏頗和反核的宣傳這樣子我們要如何去糾正啊中選會不能夠介入正反雙方的攻防啦攻心可以被鎖住一點\n\n09:52.685 --> 10:03.171\n那如果是我們地方的選委會我們的選務人員有違反中立的規定的話那我們有責任要去查處對所以你就是要去糾正不是說別人那是我們的選務人員的部分\n\n10:08.427 --> 10:25.398\n沒錯所以我們希望就是說我們中學人會在公投中啦應該就是說是資訊守門人對不對所以我們要如何確保就是核三就是科學的實際那是說別人在去\n\n10:26.198 --> 10:38.072\n到處造謠到處講的都不是事實所以我們中選會要去做公聽會要去宣導這件事是事實的事我們要去查要去糾正不能讓說什麼東歐不講這跟我們的公投的事實都不一樣\n\n10:45.200 --> 10:59.469\n所以我們希望你要介入來去查這些事情立法院交付的公投案並沒有公聽會的規定但是我們有辦電視的意見發表會是啊所以說意見發表會是雙方不一樣的意見但是說我們是一個資訊的守門人所以我們一定要明確的我不能去判斷委員請你能夠諒解我們不能夠去判斷\n\n11:12.950 --> 11:25.184\n你們沒辦法去判斷所以說這些都是在網路亂傳的話就跟你們都沒有關係如果有違法的地方權責機關自然他們會去查處但是這部分並不屬於中選會的權責範圍之內\n\n11:29.116 --> 11:55.612\n所以就是之前別人在之前你去告的也是因為是我們在選舉的時候有一些對選舉的稽查或者是講話還是什麼或者不明確所以你們就要去告他後來就不起訴但是現在公投跟大罷免變成大家都親切講你都沒管就對了\n\n11:57.623 --> 12:15.897\n講對沒對都沒管得到就是違法我們公投的精神你也不管不是我剛剛跟委員報告過依照這個選罷法的規定大概有兩個部分一個50條一個45條50條牽涉到刑事責任這是由司法機關來管45條這是行政責任是規範我們的選務人員這部分中選會會管\n\n12:23.968 --> 12:49.103\n好如果是這樣子的話我們就是希望說你就是有一些片面的因為你們本來就是不管是選舉你們都要去到處來去說宣導嘛對不對公投都沒有去做宣導選發法也沒有去宣導對啊有宣導的話正確的如果是很多都不正確你們一定要介入啦\n\n12:49.503 --> 13:10.695\n不能說鋪天蓋地了大家講都不正確就影響到我們的立法的精神我們的宣導是就選務的部分來做宣導我們的宣導不能過去說要不要當然我就選務是說公投的精神我們的公投的精神不能讓這些就是講偏薄或者是對我們的公投的意義\n\n13:17.762 --> 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