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00:01:02,080\n他們說他們的考試分發到鄉鎮公所公務員他們契約綁滿然後就是把去調到縣府或者是到六都或者是中央我認為這個設計的合理性是可以去檢討的現在鄉鎮公所的委任官他的比率限制是35%然後縣市政府已經下修到25%\n\n3\n00:01:03,619 --> 00:01:19,702\n公所的祖密值等是8到9然後課長只有7到8這樣子的值等天花板是不是讓年輕的公務人員看不見未來所以我想請教行政院是否有沒有辦法來去協調考試院來去比照縣府的標準來把公所的值等限制去鬆綁\n\n4\n00:01:21,414 --> 00:01:47,709\n我跟委員報告是過去這一年多來我們一直在跟前續部去協調有一些縣市政府的一些職等要往上不然的話會嚴重傾斜到六都或者中央機關那個委員所關心的問題事實上我們也有看到而且我們也跟前續部在談現在我們是採分幾個階段第一個階段影響了職等調升的大概3000多人\n\n5\n00:01:48,129 --> 00:02:16,932\n那我們這個部分經過考試院院會通過以後我們大概會進行第二個階段我們是採分階段那我可以請那個市部長我跟你們報告我想剛剛林市長已經提過在過去這一年多以來其實人事總署跟行政院考試院在跟我們兩部會對這個整個植物業等特別是地方的真的是做了很多的一個答案目前大概有已經有個案子出現出來包括您提的特別是鄉鎮市公所的委任的\n\n6\n00:02:18,213 --> 00:02:33,014\n配置佔比現在是35%我們也應該是會往下調的方向在走這一點但是因為這個還在討論中也需要經過考試院最後的審查通過我只能跟委員報告說確實我們有溝通的方向是這樣子\n\n7\n00:02:34,175 --> 00:02:58,233\n那這樣有方向就好那我們是希望因為這一次就是民眾第一線都至少鄉鎮市公所那這鄉鎮市公所的餘額如果不滿那我想就是說有很大的問題所以我們希望調降他的委任的占比啦這個大概有這個方向在走謝謝那另外一個部分就是關於也是公所鎮公所鄉公所他們提出來另外一個問題就是建築師證照這種類似這種特殊的這種職缺\n\n8\n00:02:59,676 --> 00:03:27,618\n那通常我先舉你們的這個考選部的統計資料這個考選處它的公職的建築師已經連續三年沒有辦法足額錄取那11年跟12年兩年是百分之百未錄取一人我想大家都知道這個狀況嘛這代表說真的有建築師這個執照的證照的人他不會選擇擔任公職因為在外面就比較好嘛\n\n9\n00:03:28,376 --> 00:03:50,291\n那可是這樣子要有審查建造實照的需求可是相關人員又沒有辦法具備又沒有具備建築師證照那就變成說實務的需求跟現實的狀況還有這個法定跟規定的狀況就是脫節那如果這樣的狀況你又不改拼用不到主額的專業人力又卡在這個經由的公務員的原額那這樣怎麼辦\n\n10\n00:03:53,024 --> 00:04:07,790\n我跟委員報告一下事實上過去這幾年我們一直在協助地方的鄉鎮公所在解決這個問題因為他要核發那個使用執照必須要有建築師的一個license那陳魯委員剛才提的111跟112\n\n11\n00:04:11,932 --> 00:04:18,617\n一個是沒人扣一個是沒錄取今年2.11.3給我們錄取一個其實是沒人贏啦沒人贏所以在我們會採兩個方式一個是在人員還沒有補齊的時候就是拜託縣市去跟當地的建築師公會要怎麼合作的簽證委託給他們去簽去搭配一個做一些公司合作的方式\n\n12\n00:04:41,235 --> 00:05:04,380\n第二個部分我們也有在跟考選部那裡盡量去宣導大家可以靠第三個部分說這個也是待遇端的問題啦我想雖然沒有辦法跟民間一樣的一個待遇起碼我們會把待遇拉上來讓跟公司之間的待遇落差小一點好謝謝那接下來中選會我們請謝謝\n\n13\n00:05:14,491 --> 00:05:36,870\n主委好主委去年五月我提出的修法是說未經政黨同意非政黨推薦者不得使用政黨的負責人的姓名頭像及政黨標章我之所以提到這個問題的原因是因為在選舉的時候就是有人故意明明就是比其他政黨的但是為了要拉低其他候選人的票數來去偽裝成跟同一個政黨\n\n14\n00:05:37,791 --> 00:05:46,951\n那這個狀況你剛剛不是跟我說你不認為要另外採相關的立法考量你說中選會還是有很多其他的方式來可以做救濟\n\n15\n00:05:48,078 --> 00:06:09,893\n不過我說就計程序你走完之後選舉就結束了你又緩不及急那那個時候你說你會回去研議來看一些什麼相關的辦法來去做來去防止類似這樣子的錯假亂來混淆的這種狀況出現那經過幾個月之後我們現在已經快要八月八月中了那在不修法的前提之下你的解決方案是什麼\n\n16\n00:06:12,081 --> 00:06:25,378\n跟委員抱歉我們目前的研議的工作還沒有具體我會在最快的時間裡面我想我們會內的意見再送給委員跟委員做報告\n\n17\n00:06:26,232 --> 00:06:44,358\n因為現在混淆的方式就不只是針對我們執政黨而已針對在野黨針對執政黨針對任何一個黨針對任何一個候選人都會發生這樣的狀況已經上次就發生了就是有我不討論個案但是他是在嘉義台南高雄都有這樣的狀況\n\n18\n00:06:45,658 --> 00:07:02,239\n那是偽裝成民主進步黨的然後再配上我們的這個黨首就是黨主席然後說就是如果你是支持黨主席那你的立委就要投給哪一個人同樣的方式也在縣市議員鄉鎮市長都會出現也都可能出現那他們已經\n\n19\n00:07:03,681 --> 00:07:17,769\n堂而皇之的用這種方式去混淆選民的那已經開始在做過去做了而且是大規模的投遞在信箱大型的看板都在做混淆的做法那如果我們沒有修法那請你提出辦法謝謝請給我一點時間謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11704\t40793\t你好我們請全序部長然後人事總處的人事長好 處人事長委員早大家早這一次的風災它暴露的不是人力數量的不足是人才它有流失的問題鄉鎮公所是我們第一線的救災單位可是我有接到很多鄉公所的這些人員他這一次的救災的時候第一線的人員都忙得焦頭爛額的\n41733\t62080\t他們說他們的考試分發到鄉鎮公所公務員他們契約綁滿然後就是把去調到縣府或者是到六都或者是中央我認為這個設計的合理性是可以去檢討的現在鄉鎮公所的委任官他的比率限制是35%然後縣市政府已經下修到25%\n63619\t79702\t公所的祖密值等是8到9然後課長只有7到8這樣子的值等天花板是不是讓年輕的公務人員看不見未來所以我想請教行政院是否有沒有辦法來去協調考試院來去比照縣府的標準來把公所的值等限制去鬆綁\n81414\t107709\t我跟委員報告是過去這一年多來我們一直在跟前續部去協調有一些縣市政府的一些職等要往上不然的話會嚴重傾斜到六都或者中央機關那個委員所關心的問題事實上我們也有看到而且我們也跟前續部在談現在我們是採分幾個階段第一個階段影響了職等調升的大概3000多人\n108129\t136932\t那我們這個部分經過考試院院會通過以後我們大概會進行第二個階段我們是採分階段那我可以請那個市部長我跟你們報告我想剛剛林市長已經提過在過去這一年多以來其實人事總署跟行政院考試院在跟我們兩部會對這個整個植物業等特別是地方的真的是做了很多的一個答案目前大概有已經有個案子出現出來包括您提的特別是鄉鎮市公所的委任的\n138213\t153014\t配置佔比現在是35%我們也應該是會往下調的方向在走這一點但是因為這個還在討論中也需要經過考試院最後的審查通過我只能跟委員報告說確實我們有溝通的方向是這樣子\n154175\t178233\t那這樣有方向就好那我們是希望因為這一次就是民眾第一線都至少鄉鎮市公所那這鄉鎮市公所的餘額如果不滿那我想就是說有很大的問題所以我們希望調降他的委任的占比啦這個大概有這個方向在走謝謝那另外一個部分就是關於也是公所鎮公所鄉公所他們提出來另外一個問題就是建築師證照這種類似這種特殊的這種職缺\n179676\t207618\t那通常我先舉你們的這個考選部的統計資料這個考選處它的公職的建築師已經連續三年沒有辦法足額錄取那11年跟12年兩年是百分之百未錄取一人我想大家都知道這個狀況嘛這代表說真的有建築師這個執照的證照的人他不會選擇擔任公職因為在外面就比較好嘛\n208376\t230291\t那可是這樣子要有審查建造實照的需求可是相關人員又沒有辦法具備又沒有具備建築師證照那就變成說實務的需求跟現實的狀況還有這個法定跟規定的狀況就是脫節那如果這樣的狀況你又不改 拼用不到主額的專業人力又卡在這個經由的公務員的原額那這樣怎麼辦\n233024\t247790\t我跟委員報告一下事實上過去這幾年我們一直在協助地方的鄉鎮公所在解決這個問題因為他要核發那個使用執照必須要有建築師的一個license那陳魯委員剛才提的111跟112\n251932\t258617\t一個是沒人扣 一個是沒錄取今年2.11.3給我們錄取一個其實是沒人贏啦沒人贏所以在我們會採兩個方式一個是在人員還沒有補齊的時候就是拜託縣市去跟當地的建築師公會要怎麼合作的簽證委託給他們去簽去搭配一個做一些公司合作的方式\n281235\t304380\t第二個部分我們也有在跟考選部那裡盡量去宣導大家可以靠第三個部分說這個也是待遇端的問題啦 我想雖然沒有辦法跟民間一樣的一個待遇起碼我們會把待遇拉上來讓跟公司之間的待遇落差小一點好 謝謝那接下來中選會我們請謝謝\n314491\t336870\t主委好主委去年五月我提出的修法是說未經政黨同意非政黨推薦者不得使用政黨的負責人的姓名頭像及政黨標章我之所以提到這個問題的原因是因為在選舉的時候就是有人故意明明就是比其他政黨的但是為了要拉低其他候選人的票數來去偽裝成跟同一個政黨\n337791\t346951\t那這個狀況你剛剛不是跟我說你不認為要另外採相關的立法考量你說中選會還是有很多其他的方式來可以做救濟\n348078\t369893\t不過我說就計程序你走完之後選舉就結束了你又緩不及急那那個時候你說你會回去研議來看一些什麼相關的辦法來去做來去防止類似這樣子的錯假亂來混淆的這種狀況出現那經過幾個月之後我們現在已經快要八月八月中了那在不修法的前提之下你的解決方案是什麼\n372081\t385378\t跟委員抱歉我們目前的研議的工作還沒有具體我會在最快的時間裡面我想我們會內的意見再送給委員跟委員做報告\n386232\t404358\t因為現在混淆的方式就不只是針對我們執政黨而已針對在野黨針對執政黨針對任何一個黨針對任何一個候選人都會發生這樣的狀況已經上次就發生了就是有我不討論個案但是他是在嘉義台南高雄都有這樣的狀況\n405658\t422239\t那是偽裝成民主進步黨的然後再配上我們的這個黨首就是黨主席然後說就是如果你是支持黨主席那你的立委就要投給哪一個人同樣的方式也在縣市議員鄉鎮市長都會出現也都可能出現那他們已經\n423681\t437769\t堂而皇之的用這種方式去混淆選民的那已經開始在做過去做了而且是大規模的投遞在信箱大型的看板都在做混淆的做法那如果我們沒有修法那請你提出辦法 謝謝請給我一點時間 謝謝委員\n","txt":"你好我們請全序部長然後人事總處的人事長好 處人事長委員早大家早這一次的風災它暴露的不是人力數量的不足是人才它有流失的問題鄉鎮公所是我們第一線的救災單位可是我有接到很多鄉公所的這些人員他這一次的救災的時候第一線的人員都忙得焦頭爛額的\n他們說他們的考試分發到鄉鎮公所公務員他們契約綁滿然後就是把去調到縣府或者是到六都或者是中央我認為這個設計的合理性是可以去檢討的現在鄉鎮公所的委任官他的比率限制是35%然後縣市政府已經下修到25%\n公所的祖密值等是8到9然後課長只有7到8這樣子的值等天花板是不是讓年輕的公務人員看不見未來所以我想請教行政院是否有沒有辦法來去協調考試院來去比照縣府的標準來把公所的值等限制去鬆綁\n我跟委員報告是過去這一年多來我們一直在跟前續部去協調有一些縣市政府的一些職等要往上不然的話會嚴重傾斜到六都或者中央機關那個委員所關心的問題事實上我們也有看到而且我們也跟前續部在談現在我們是採分幾個階段第一個階段影響了職等調升的大概3000多人\n那我們這個部分經過考試院院會通過以後我們大概會進行第二個階段我們是採分階段那我可以請那個市部長我跟你們報告我想剛剛林市長已經提過在過去這一年多以來其實人事總署跟行政院考試院在跟我們兩部會對這個整個植物業等特別是地方的真的是做了很多的一個答案目前大概有已經有個案子出現出來包括您提的特別是鄉鎮市公所的委任的\n配置佔比現在是35%我們也應該是會往下調的方向在走這一點但是因為這個還在討論中也需要經過考試院最後的審查通過我只能跟委員報告說確實我們有溝通的方向是這樣子\n那這樣有方向就好那我們是希望因為這一次就是民眾第一線都至少鄉鎮市公所那這鄉鎮市公所的餘額如果不滿那我想就是說有很大的問題所以我們希望調降他的委任的占比啦這個大概有這個方向在走謝謝那另外一個部分就是關於也是公所鎮公所鄉公所他們提出來另外一個問題就是建築師證照這種類似這種特殊的這種職缺\n那通常我先舉你們的這個考選部的統計資料這個考選處它的公職的建築師已經連續三年沒有辦法足額錄取那11年跟12年兩年是百分之百未錄取一人我想大家都知道這個狀況嘛這代表說真的有建築師這個執照的證照的人他不會選擇擔任公職因為在外面就比較好嘛\n那可是這樣子要有審查建造實照的需求可是相關人員又沒有辦法具備又沒有具備建築師證照那就變成說實務的需求跟現實的狀況還有這個法定跟規定的狀況就是脫節那如果這樣的狀況你又不改 拼用不到主額的專業人力又卡在這個經由的公務員的原額那這樣怎麼辦\n我跟委員報告一下事實上過去這幾年我們一直在協助地方的鄉鎮公所在解決這個問題因為他要核發那個使用執照必須要有建築師的一個license那陳魯委員剛才提的111跟112\n一個是沒人扣 一個是沒錄取今年2.11.3給我們錄取一個其實是沒人贏啦沒人贏所以在我們會採兩個方式一個是在人員還沒有補齊的時候就是拜託縣市去跟當地的建築師公會要怎麼合作的簽證委託給他們去簽去搭配一個做一些公司合作的方式\n第二個部分我們也有在跟考選部那裡盡量去宣導大家可以靠第三個部分說這個也是待遇端的問題啦 我想雖然沒有辦法跟民間一樣的一個待遇起碼我們會把待遇拉上來讓跟公司之間的待遇落差小一點好 謝謝那接下來中選會我們請謝謝\n主委好主委去年五月我提出的修法是說未經政黨同意非政黨推薦者不得使用政黨的負責人的姓名頭像及政黨標章我之所以提到這個問題的原因是因為在選舉的時候就是有人故意明明就是比其他政黨的但是為了要拉低其他候選人的票數來去偽裝成跟同一個政黨\n那這個狀況你剛剛不是跟我說你不認為要另外採相關的立法考量你說中選會還是有很多其他的方式來可以做救濟\n不過我說就計程序你走完之後選舉就結束了你又緩不及急那那個時候你說你會回去研議來看一些什麼相關的辦法來去做來去防止類似這樣子的錯假亂來混淆的這種狀況出現那經過幾個月之後我們現在已經快要八月八月中了那在不修法的前提之下你的解決方案是什麼\n跟委員抱歉我們目前的研議的工作還沒有具體我會在最快的時間裡面我想我們會內的意見再送給委員跟委員做報告\n因為現在混淆的方式就不只是針對我們執政黨而已針對在野黨針對執政黨針對任何一個黨針對任何一個候選人都會發生這樣的狀況已經上次就發生了就是有我不討論個案但是他是在嘉義台南高雄都有這樣的狀況\n那是偽裝成民主進步黨的然後再配上我們的這個黨首就是黨主席然後說就是如果你是支持黨主席那你的立委就要投給哪一個人同樣的方式也在縣市議員鄉鎮市長都會出現也都可能出現那他們已經\n堂而皇之的用這種方式去混淆選民的那已經開始在做過去做了而且是大規模的投遞在信箱大型的看板都在做混淆的做法那如果我們沒有修法那請你提出辦法 謝謝請給我一點時間 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.704 --> 00:40.793\n你好我們請全序部長然後人事總處的人事長好處人事長委員早大家早這一次的風災它暴露的不是人力數量的不足是人才它有流失的問題鄉鎮公所是我們第一線的救災單位可是我有接到很多鄉公所的這些人員他這一次的救災的時候第一線的人員都忙得焦頭爛額的\n\n00:41.733 --> 01:02.080\n他們說他們的考試分發到鄉鎮公所公務員他們契約綁滿然後就是把去調到縣府或者是到六都或者是中央我認為這個設計的合理性是可以去檢討的現在鄉鎮公所的委任官他的比率限制是35%然後縣市政府已經下修到25%\n\n01:03.619 --> 01:19.702\n公所的祖密值等是8到9然後課長只有7到8這樣子的值等天花板是不是讓年輕的公務人員看不見未來所以我想請教行政院是否有沒有辦法來去協調考試院來去比照縣府的標準來把公所的值等限制去鬆綁\n\n01:21.414 --> 01:47.709\n我跟委員報告是過去這一年多來我們一直在跟前續部去協調有一些縣市政府的一些職等要往上不然的話會嚴重傾斜到六都或者中央機關那個委員所關心的問題事實上我們也有看到而且我們也跟前續部在談現在我們是採分幾個階段第一個階段影響了職等調升的大概3000多人\n\n01:48.129 --> 02:16.932\n那我們這個部分經過考試院院會通過以後我們大概會進行第二個階段我們是採分階段那我可以請那個市部長我跟你們報告我想剛剛林市長已經提過在過去這一年多以來其實人事總署跟行政院考試院在跟我們兩部會對這個整個植物業等特別是地方的真的是做了很多的一個答案目前大概有已經有個案子出現出來包括您提的特別是鄉鎮市公所的委任的\n\n02:18.213 --> 02:33.014\n配置佔比現在是35%我們也應該是會往下調的方向在走這一點但是因為這個還在討論中也需要經過考試院最後的審查通過我只能跟委員報告說確實我們有溝通的方向是這樣子\n\n02:34.175 --> 02:58.233\n那這樣有方向就好那我們是希望因為這一次就是民眾第一線都至少鄉鎮市公所那這鄉鎮市公所的餘額如果不滿那我想就是說有很大的問題所以我們希望調降他的委任的占比啦這個大概有這個方向在走謝謝那另外一個部分就是關於也是公所鎮公所鄉公所他們提出來另外一個問題就是建築師證照這種類似這種特殊的這種職缺\n\n02:59.676 --> 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