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00:01:08,980\n立法院本院來做報告之後下禮拜二就是一般性補助款也要請卓院長到立法院來做相關的說明我想今天很重要的就是台灣現在面臨兩岸的不和平還有對美關稅的問題讓人民洪洪不安因為畢竟台灣85%的產業都是以外銷為主\n\n3\n00:01:12,659 --> 00:01:40,399\n那此時此刻台灣人心必須要安定那詐騙集團的橫行已經行之多年立法院不斷的配合行政院給予必要的這些工具跟立法國會都是全面的來支持配合但是到現在為止114年8月\n\n4\n00:01:43,471 --> 00:02:06,879\n請問卓院長你剛剛報告完畢到底我們打炸有沒有成效行政院卓院長你身為閣僱你滿不滿意現在打炸有沒有成效政府機關滿不滿意我覺得沒有國人會滿意現在的打炸工作\n\n5\n00:02:08,086 --> 00:02:34,805\n但是國人不滿意的話這一群工作的同仁還是值得鼓勵國人不滿意的話那院長滿不滿意我自己要求我們從政策上多給予更多的支持我們也給這些工作同仁更多的鼓勵我們從數字的下降來看是有進展的我們就來看一下詐騙逼死一家五口啊敲醒政府的警鐘\n\n6\n00:02:37,948 --> 00:03:03,039\n詐騙集團逼死台中一家五口政府如何重視還是有曾經關心過詐騙案嗎來下一頁內湖雙屍母女遭詐騙輕生為了謀財不惜害命這個來累積一六百個詐騙案嫌犯\n\n7\n00:03:06,448 --> 00:03:34,127\n被遣送大陸被遣送大陸這個真的是台灣之光是嗎台灣的詐騙已經橫行到全世界然後呢在海外設機房在台灣訓練好之後到海外去行騙全世界不只騙台灣人騙全世界的人只要全世界有華人的地方就是他們下手的目標\n\n8\n00:03:35,404 --> 00:04:02,994\n然後這個被押解到大陸去啊這個沒有被判死刑啊大概一輩子也出不來來下一頁這個炸團啊這個警察空間又逮捕25人炸團橫跨北中南運動員可以看一下嗎再過來現在不是炸團而已還囚禁被害人然後凌虐致死\n\n9\n00:04:04,881 --> 00:04:32,136\n自由時報等等再來台灣多數金箭浮屍浮屍炸團黑吃黑殺人滅口再來短短兩週台灣三地有看到三具浮屍再來從2020年到2023年因為2023年以後\n\n10\n00:04:34,994 --> 00:05:00,591\n大概警政署已經很懼怕人民在看這些資料2023年以後本席跟警政署要他們不做這個資料也不提供了以前在民國60年70年那個時候台灣民風有多麼善良有一件服侍案全國查抓到為止\n\n11\n00:05:04,056 --> 00:05:19,137\n我們現在一年幾百件的腐蝕案幾百件的腐蝕案院長本席再請教一次您對現在整個政府體系打詐的成果您滿意嗎\n\n12\n00:05:20,885 --> 00:05:49,458\n我認為我跟國人一樣都不會滿意現在的呈現出來的成果但是委員剛剛說的那些治安的問題確實是問題它跟打詐之間有沒有百分之百直接的關聯這個值得我們再去分析但是我願意面對治安的問題我們從這個方向來做自我的檢討治安也是行政院的問題打詐也是行政院的問題這個數字讓院長了解就是難辭其咎\n\n13\n00:05:51,489 --> 00:06:13,118\n必須睜大眼睛好好來研究怎麼解決來為什麼我們台灣的詐騙如此的猖獗台灣只有6%的人沒有被詐騙過台灣為什麼成為詐騙之島這都媒體的報導再來\n\n14\n00:06:21,072 --> 00:06:49,071\n剛剛院長在報告有提到希望立法院能夠全力支持來配合去年打詐司法我們是不是配合了配合了行政院配合了法務部打詐新司法也通過了但是我們完全配合法務部\n\n15\n00:06:50,117 --> 00:07:09,534\n配合行政院配合警政署所有需要的工具所有司法勤制單位需要的立法立法院通過以後越打越炸越打越炸院長\n\n16\n00:07:11,772 --> 00:07:39,435\n報告委員我剛剛的數字已經有說明了本席案件下降了百分之二十二今天下降了百分之三十七點五是不是下降我們一步一步來討論我知道這個數字不代表一種承認謝謝你啦你在這裡願會向全民告訴說我們的詐騙案有下降那我們就慢慢來看您剛剛也特別提醒大家要去看那個打詐疑標板好我們繼續來台灣為什麼一直被國際點名\n\n17\n00:07:42,240 --> 00:08:09,185\n詐騙王國跟洗錢中心台灣善良的寶島曾幾何時會成為國際的詐騙王國跟洗錢中心請您看清楚下一頁聯合國點名台灣是詐騙洗錢中心院長這都是今年\n\n18\n00:08:10,459 --> 00:08:29,350\n聯合國的報告4月22號發布的所以打詐釋法中洗錢防治法我們會盡力的把它發揮它的效應要的工具國會都支持要的經費國會也支持來下一頁來113年打詐行動綱領去年13.9億今年73.5億一次增加5.6倍\n\n19\n00:08:40,811 --> 00:08:49,419\n院長增加了這麼多錢我們來看一看成果再來2020到2024從2023年2024年從新政府上台從原本2020年詐騙金額42億到去年的487億\n\n20\n00:09:08,308 --> 00:09:22,283\n到今年上半年就481現在是確確實實聯合國的報告啊台灣是全世界第一名的詐騙王國院長這個數字有點諷刺\n\n21\n00:09:28,769 --> 00:09:35,977\n院長看一下去年齁2024年跟2020年2020年42億2024年487億遭詐騙金額今年1到6月480億這是不是歷史的偶然齁我們看下一頁\n\n22\n00:09:47,706 --> 00:10:02,357\n統計方式不一樣那這個是跟委員報告這個是統計方式資料來源就是剛剛要跟本席解釋本席沒有請你發言本席沒有請你發言委員我講一句本席在跟你討論統計方式不一樣沒有關係因為剛剛院長的報告本席聽得很清楚請我們看答詐飲料版\n\n23\n00:10:11,909 --> 00:10:23,416\n打造業老闆顯示出來而且這是歷史的偶然看一下今年1月到6月份竟然是888888件這數字怎麼會這麼偶然打造業老闆公佈的上半年的詐騙金額就481億院長再過來看審計部審計部的資料\n\n24\n00:10:44,892 --> 00:10:55,557\n不要再講什麼資料又錯誤審計部看到沒有112年89億113年487億審計部資料有錯誤嗎不是審計部錯誤是統計的方式不一樣你可以講糾正檢察院糾正審計部他的數字寫錯了再過來\n\n25\n00:11:14,946 --> 00:11:42,620\n青少年犯案增加集中在詐欺院長我們的下一代也淪落至此再過來現在車手車手看那個成長的幅度現在孩子們當車手比跑福菲恩塔賺的還多福菲恩塔是靠自己的勞力努力的去打拚\n\n26\n00:11:46,146 --> 00:12:12,845\n詐騙車手卻是用這種方式來賺錢就是我們的孩子趨之若鶩的工作行列這個是不是我可以來說明一下不需要本席請你你可以到委員會去好好說明院長我們今天是在跟院長探討資料都不是本席的都是正式公告的再看一下為什麼滿意度會下降這麼多一個行政團隊應該整體來看\n\n27\n00:12:15,092 --> 00:12:42,380\n為什麼有這些問題說使用的這些相關的人是不是有足夠的能力來處理這些問題院長本席今天是語重心長本席很客氣希望院長能夠解決問題今天國會議員在這裡懇切地呼喊請院長拿出辦法來讓台灣不要成為詐騙之島\n\n28\n00:12:44,773 --> 00:13:08,400\n國民黨團立法院都用全力來支持但是辦法要拿出來能力要拿出來再來我們希望我們執政者要把心思放在人民身上停止其他的政治動作院長可以嗎可以嗎\n\n29\n00:13:09,076 --> 00:13:36,192\n行政院一直對於推動業務列為我們優先唯一重要的方向本期是希望共勉之啦好不好本期希望是請院長共勉之把心思放在人民身上不要放在政治身上來下一頁藍白三預算這個事情其實各部會首長都說明的很清楚了請行政院各部會的官員不要再把這種\n\n30\n00:13:37,409 --> 00:14:01,207\n欺騙社會的行為不要再講了再講拜託不要再說了不要再說就好一句話不要再說了增加預算因為有新的新增業務那我們會配合嘛就講嘛可以辦追加嘛你下禮拜不是要送進來了嗎我們已經在今年已經辦了已經增加在裡面了昨天議會不是通過了下禮拜要送進來啦\n\n31\n00:14:02,458 --> 00:14:27,692\n對不對是我們會很良善的來看待只要院方有需要行政院方有需要也符合人民的需求我們會給予支持嘛一句話就是剛剛說每個部位的增加不要再講這個沒業的事情不要再說了好不好每個部位有增加是因為他已經列了新增業務昨天啊這個行政院會通過普發一萬塊這是真的跟院長來共勉之\n\n32\n00:14:30,171 --> 00:14:46,418\n我們面對美國這麼強大的經濟的壓力各國先進的國家都在擴大內需普發現金謝謝院長從善如流我想收到立法院來我們會在時程上盡量與你配合\n\n33\n00:14:48,367 --> 00:15:09,888\n我期待整個任性的特別條例能夠緊迫的通過我們會依據編約預算我們會整體來一起討論好不好謝謝委員長當然院長會來卓院長會再來報告我們也就謝謝了那我想這個蘇花安也正式來核定了讓\n\n34\n00:15:12,820 --> 00:15:30,410\n華東人有安全回家的路也謝謝院長您核定了我想擴大內需是很重要的當外在經濟有危機的時候內部我們要全面來提升所以在這裡請院長本席還會再就教華東快的部分台灣島就這麼小華東快環島路要盡快來做\n\n35\n00:15:33,212 --> 00:15:39,675\n本席會全力的支持也全力的配合好不好謝謝院長我們再做分析好謝謝謝謝副官紀委員質詢謝謝卓院長相關部會首長貝巡謝謝接下來\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n21192\t41713\t主席請院長麻煩請卓院長備詢副院長好院長好從今天的打造到\n43595\t68980\t立法院本院來做報告之後下禮拜二就是一般性補助款也要請卓院長到立法院來做相關的說明我想今天很重要的就是台灣現在面臨兩岸的不和平還有對美關稅的問題讓人民洪洪不安因為畢竟台灣85%的產業都是以外銷為主\n72659\t100399\t那此時此刻台灣人心必須要安定那詐騙集團的橫行已經行之多年立法院不斷的配合行政院給予必要的這些工具跟立法國會都是全面的來支持配合但是到現在為止114年8月\n103471\t126879\t請問卓院長你剛剛報告完畢到底我們打炸有沒有成效行政院卓院長你身為閣僱你滿不滿意現在打炸有沒有成效政府機關滿不滿意我覺得沒有國人會滿意現在的打炸工作\n128086\t154805\t但是國人不滿意的話這一群工作的同仁還是值得鼓勵國人不滿意的話那院長滿不滿意我自己要求我們從政策上多給予更多的支持我們也給這些工作同仁更多的鼓勵我們從數字的下降來看是有進展的我們就來看一下詐騙逼死一家五口啊敲醒政府的警鐘\n157948\t183039\t詐騙集團逼死台中一家五口政府如何重視還是有曾經關心過詐騙案嗎來下一頁內湖雙屍母女遭詐騙輕生為了謀財不惜害命這個來累積一六百個詐騙案嫌犯\n186448\t214127\t被遣送大陸被遣送大陸這個真的是台灣之光是嗎台灣的詐騙已經橫行到全世界然後呢在海外設機房在台灣訓練好之後到海外去行騙全世界不只騙台灣人騙全世界的人只要全世界有華人的地方就是他們下手的目標\n215404\t242994\t然後這個被押解到大陸去啊這個沒有被判死刑啊大概一輩子也出不來來 下一頁這個炸團啊這個警察空間又逮捕25人炸團橫跨北中南運動員可以看一下嗎 再過來現在不是炸團而已還囚禁被害人然後凌虐致死\n244881\t272136\t自由時報等等 再來台灣多數金箭浮屍 浮屍炸團黑吃黑 殺人滅口 再來短短兩週 台灣三地有看到三具浮屍 再來從2020年到2023年 因為2023年以後\n274994\t300591\t大概警政署已經很懼怕人民在看這些資料2023年以後本席跟警政署要他們不做這個資料也不提供了以前在民國60年70年那個時候台灣民風有多麼善良有一件服侍案全國查抓到為止\n304056\t319137\t我們現在一年幾百件的腐蝕案幾百件的腐蝕案院長 本席再請教一次您對現在整個政府體系打詐的成果 您滿意嗎\n320885\t349458\t我認為我跟國人一樣都不會滿意現在的呈現出來的成果但是委員剛剛說的那些治安的問題確實是問題它跟打詐之間有沒有百分之百直接的關聯這個值得我們再去分析但是我願意面對治安的問題我們從這個方向來做自我的檢討治安也是行政院的問題打詐也是行政院的問題這個數字讓院長了解就是難辭其咎\n351489\t373118\t必須睜大眼睛好好來研究怎麼解決來為什麼我們台灣的詐騙如此的猖獗台灣只有6%的人沒有被詐騙過台灣為什麼成為詐騙之島這都媒體的報導再來\n381072\t409071\t剛剛院長在報告有提到希望立法院能夠全力支持來配合去年打詐司法我們是不是配合了 配合了行政院 配合了法務部打詐新司法也通過了但是我們完全配合法務部\n410117\t429534\t配合行政院配合警政署所有需要的工具所有司法勤制單位需要的立法立法院通過以後越打越炸越打越炸 院長\n431772\t459435\t報告委員我剛剛的數字已經有說明了本席案件下降了百分之二十二今天下降了百分之三十七點五是不是下降我們一步一步來討論我知道這個數字不代表一種承認謝謝你啦你在這裡願會向全民告訴說我們的詐騙案有下降那我們就慢慢來看您剛剛也特別提醒大家要去看那個打詐疑標板好我們繼續來台灣為什麼一直被國際點名\n462240\t489185\t詐騙王國跟洗錢中心台灣善良的寶島曾幾何時會成為國際的詐騙王國跟洗錢中心請您看清楚下一頁聯合國點名台灣是詐騙洗錢中心院長這都是今年\n490459\t509350\t聯合國的報告4月22號發布的所以打詐釋法中洗錢防治法我們會盡力的把它發揮它的效應 要的工具國會都支持要的經費國會也支持來下一頁來113年打詐行動綱領去年13.9億今年73.5億一次增加5.6倍\n520811\t529419\t院長增加了這麼多錢我們來看一看成果再來2020到2024從2023年2024年從新政府上台從原本2020年詐騙金額42億到去年的487億\n548308\t562283\t到今年上半年就481現在是確確實實聯合國的報告啊台灣是全世界第一名的詐騙王國院長這個數字有點諷刺\n568769\t575977\t院長看一下去年齁2024年跟2020年2020年42億2024年487億遭詐騙金額今年1到6月480億這是不是歷史的偶然齁我們看下一頁\n587706\t602357\t統計方式不一樣那這個是跟委員報告 這個是統計方式資料來源就是剛剛要跟本席解釋本席沒有請你發言 本席沒有請你發言委員 我講一句本席在跟你討論統計方式不一樣沒有關係 因為剛剛院長的報告本席聽得很清楚 請我們看答詐飲料版\n611909\t623416\t打造業老闆顯示出來而且這是歷史的偶然看一下今年1月到6月份竟然是888888件這數字怎麼會這麼偶然打造業老闆公佈的上半年的詐騙金額就481億院長再過來看審計部審計部的資料\n644892\t655557\t不要再講什麼資料又錯誤審計部看到沒有112年89億113年487億審計部資料有錯誤嗎不是審計部錯誤是統計的方式不一樣你可以講糾正檢察院 糾正審計部他的數字寫錯了再過來\n674946\t702620\t青少年犯案增加 集中在詐欺院長我們的下一代也淪落至此再過來現在車手 車手看那個成長的幅度現在孩子們當車手比跑福菲恩塔賺的還多福菲恩塔是靠自己的勞力努力的去打拚\n706146\t732845\t詐騙車手卻是用這種方式來賺錢就是我們的孩子趨之若鶩的工作行列這個是不是我可以來說明一下不需要 本席請你你可以到委員會去好好說明院長 我們今天是在跟院長探討資料都不是本席的都是正式公告的再看一下為什麼滿意度會下降這麼多一個行政團隊應該整體來看\n735092\t762380\t為什麼有這些問題說使用的這些相關的人是不是有足夠的能力來處理這些問題院長 本席今天是語重心長本席很客氣希望院長能夠解決問題今天國會議員在這裡懇切地呼喊請院長拿出辦法來讓台灣不要成為詐騙之島\n764773\t788400\t國民黨團 立法院都用全力來支持但是辦法要拿出來能力要拿出來再來我們希望我們執政者要把心思放在人民身上停止其他的政治動作院長可以嗎 可以嗎\n789076\t816192\t行政院一直對於推動業務列為我們優先唯一重要的方向本期是希望共勉之啦好不好本期希望是請院長共勉之把心思放在人民身上不要放在政治身上來下一頁藍白三預算這個事情其實各部會首長都說明的很清楚了請行政院各部會的官員不要再把這種\n817409\t841207\t欺騙社會的行為不要再講了再講 拜託不要再說了不要再說就好一句話 不要再說了增加預算因為有新的新增業務那我們會配合嘛 就講嘛可以辦追加嘛你下禮拜不是要送進來了嗎我們已經在今年已經辦了已經增加在裡面了昨天議會不是通過了下禮拜要送進來啦\n842458\t867692\t對不對 是我們會很良善的來看待只要院方有需要行政院方有需要也符合人民的需求我們會給予支持嘛一句話 就是剛剛說每個部位的增加不要再講這個沒業的事情不要再說了 好不好每個部位有增加是因為他已經列了新增業務昨天啊 這個行政院會通過普發一萬塊這是真的跟院長來共勉之\n870171\t886418\t我們面對美國這麼強大的經濟的壓力各國先進的國家都在擴大內需普發現金謝謝院長從善如流我想收到立法院來我們會在時程上盡量與你配合\n888367\t909888\t我期待整個任性的特別條例能夠緊迫的通過我們會依據編約預算我們會整體來一起討論好不好謝謝委員長當然院長會來 卓院長會再來報告我們也就謝謝了那我想這個蘇花安也正式來核定了讓\n912820\t930410\t華東人有安全回家的路也謝謝院長您核定了我想擴大內需是很重要的當外在經濟有危機的時候內部我們要全面來提升所以在這裡請院長本席還會再就教華東快的部分台灣島就這麼小華東快環島路要盡快來做\n933212\t939675\t本席會全力的支持也全力的配合好不好 謝謝院長我們再做分析好 謝謝謝謝副官紀委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長 貝巡謝謝接下來\n","txt":"主席請院長麻煩請卓院長備詢副院長好院長好從今天的打造到\n立法院本院來做報告之後下禮拜二就是一般性補助款也要請卓院長到立法院來做相關的說明我想今天很重要的就是台灣現在面臨兩岸的不和平還有對美關稅的問題讓人民洪洪不安因為畢竟台灣85%的產業都是以外銷為主\n那此時此刻台灣人心必須要安定那詐騙集團的橫行已經行之多年立法院不斷的配合行政院給予必要的這些工具跟立法國會都是全面的來支持配合但是到現在為止114年8月\n請問卓院長你剛剛報告完畢到底我們打炸有沒有成效行政院卓院長你身為閣僱你滿不滿意現在打炸有沒有成效政府機關滿不滿意我覺得沒有國人會滿意現在的打炸工作\n但是國人不滿意的話這一群工作的同仁還是值得鼓勵國人不滿意的話那院長滿不滿意我自己要求我們從政策上多給予更多的支持我們也給這些工作同仁更多的鼓勵我們從數字的下降來看是有進展的我們就來看一下詐騙逼死一家五口啊敲醒政府的警鐘\n詐騙集團逼死台中一家五口政府如何重視還是有曾經關心過詐騙案嗎來下一頁內湖雙屍母女遭詐騙輕生為了謀財不惜害命這個來累積一六百個詐騙案嫌犯\n被遣送大陸被遣送大陸這個真的是台灣之光是嗎台灣的詐騙已經橫行到全世界然後呢在海外設機房在台灣訓練好之後到海外去行騙全世界不只騙台灣人騙全世界的人只要全世界有華人的地方就是他們下手的目標\n然後這個被押解到大陸去啊這個沒有被判死刑啊大概一輩子也出不來來 下一頁這個炸團啊這個警察空間又逮捕25人炸團橫跨北中南運動員可以看一下嗎 再過來現在不是炸團而已還囚禁被害人然後凌虐致死\n自由時報等等 再來台灣多數金箭浮屍 浮屍炸團黑吃黑 殺人滅口 再來短短兩週 台灣三地有看到三具浮屍 再來從2020年到2023年 因為2023年以後\n大概警政署已經很懼怕人民在看這些資料2023年以後本席跟警政署要他們不做這個資料也不提供了以前在民國60年70年那個時候台灣民風有多麼善良有一件服侍案全國查抓到為止\n我們現在一年幾百件的腐蝕案幾百件的腐蝕案院長 本席再請教一次您對現在整個政府體系打詐的成果 您滿意嗎\n我認為我跟國人一樣都不會滿意現在的呈現出來的成果但是委員剛剛說的那些治安的問題確實是問題它跟打詐之間有沒有百分之百直接的關聯這個值得我們再去分析但是我願意面對治安的問題我們從這個方向來做自我的檢討治安也是行政院的問題打詐也是行政院的問題這個數字讓院長了解就是難辭其咎\n必須睜大眼睛好好來研究怎麼解決來為什麼我們台灣的詐騙如此的猖獗台灣只有6%的人沒有被詐騙過台灣為什麼成為詐騙之島這都媒體的報導再來\n剛剛院長在報告有提到希望立法院能夠全力支持來配合去年打詐司法我們是不是配合了 配合了行政院 配合了法務部打詐新司法也通過了但是我們完全配合法務部\n配合行政院配合警政署所有需要的工具所有司法勤制單位需要的立法立法院通過以後越打越炸越打越炸 院長\n報告委員我剛剛的數字已經有說明了本席案件下降了百分之二十二今天下降了百分之三十七點五是不是下降我們一步一步來討論我知道這個數字不代表一種承認謝謝你啦你在這裡願會向全民告訴說我們的詐騙案有下降那我們就慢慢來看您剛剛也特別提醒大家要去看那個打詐疑標板好我們繼續來台灣為什麼一直被國際點名\n詐騙王國跟洗錢中心台灣善良的寶島曾幾何時會成為國際的詐騙王國跟洗錢中心請您看清楚下一頁聯合國點名台灣是詐騙洗錢中心院長這都是今年\n聯合國的報告4月22號發布的所以打詐釋法中洗錢防治法我們會盡力的把它發揮它的效應 要的工具國會都支持要的經費國會也支持來下一頁來113年打詐行動綱領去年13.9億今年73.5億一次增加5.6倍\n院長增加了這麼多錢我們來看一看成果再來2020到2024從2023年2024年從新政府上台從原本2020年詐騙金額42億到去年的487億\n到今年上半年就481現在是確確實實聯合國的報告啊台灣是全世界第一名的詐騙王國院長這個數字有點諷刺\n院長看一下去年齁2024年跟2020年2020年42億2024年487億遭詐騙金額今年1到6月480億這是不是歷史的偶然齁我們看下一頁\n統計方式不一樣那這個是跟委員報告 這個是統計方式資料來源就是剛剛要跟本席解釋本席沒有請你發言 本席沒有請你發言委員 我講一句本席在跟你討論統計方式不一樣沒有關係 因為剛剛院長的報告本席聽得很清楚 請我們看答詐飲料版\n打造業老闆顯示出來而且這是歷史的偶然看一下今年1月到6月份竟然是888888件這數字怎麼會這麼偶然打造業老闆公佈的上半年的詐騙金額就481億院長再過來看審計部審計部的資料\n不要再講什麼資料又錯誤審計部看到沒有112年89億113年487億審計部資料有錯誤嗎不是審計部錯誤是統計的方式不一樣你可以講糾正檢察院 糾正審計部他的數字寫錯了再過來\n青少年犯案增加 集中在詐欺院長我們的下一代也淪落至此再過來現在車手 車手看那個成長的幅度現在孩子們當車手比跑福菲恩塔賺的還多福菲恩塔是靠自己的勞力努力的去打拚\n詐騙車手卻是用這種方式來賺錢就是我們的孩子趨之若鶩的工作行列這個是不是我可以來說明一下不需要 本席請你你可以到委員會去好好說明院長 我們今天是在跟院長探討資料都不是本席的都是正式公告的再看一下為什麼滿意度會下降這麼多一個行政團隊應該整體來看\n為什麼有這些問題說使用的這些相關的人是不是有足夠的能力來處理這些問題院長 本席今天是語重心長本席很客氣希望院長能夠解決問題今天國會議員在這裡懇切地呼喊請院長拿出辦法來讓台灣不要成為詐騙之島\n國民黨團 立法院都用全力來支持但是辦法要拿出來能力要拿出來再來我們希望我們執政者要把心思放在人民身上停止其他的政治動作院長可以嗎 可以嗎\n行政院一直對於推動業務列為我們優先唯一重要的方向本期是希望共勉之啦好不好本期希望是請院長共勉之把心思放在人民身上不要放在政治身上來下一頁藍白三預算這個事情其實各部會首長都說明的很清楚了請行政院各部會的官員不要再把這種\n欺騙社會的行為不要再講了再講 拜託不要再說了不要再說就好一句話 不要再說了增加預算因為有新的新增業務那我們會配合嘛 就講嘛可以辦追加嘛你下禮拜不是要送進來了嗎我們已經在今年已經辦了已經增加在裡面了昨天議會不是通過了下禮拜要送進來啦\n對不對 是我們會很良善的來看待只要院方有需要行政院方有需要也符合人民的需求我們會給予支持嘛一句話 就是剛剛說每個部位的增加不要再講這個沒業的事情不要再說了 好不好每個部位有增加是因為他已經列了新增業務昨天啊 這個行政院會通過普發一萬塊這是真的跟院長來共勉之\n我們面對美國這麼強大的經濟的壓力各國先進的國家都在擴大內需普發現金謝謝院長從善如流我想收到立法院來我們會在時程上盡量與你配合\n我期待整個任性的特別條例能夠緊迫的通過我們會依據編約預算我們會整體來一起討論好不好謝謝委員長當然院長會來 卓院長會再來報告我們也就謝謝了那我想這個蘇花安也正式來核定了讓\n華東人有安全回家的路也謝謝院長您核定了我想擴大內需是很重要的當外在經濟有危機的時候內部我們要全面來提升所以在這裡請院長本席還會再就教華東快的部分台灣島就這麼小華東快環島路要盡快來做\n本席會全力的支持也全力的配合好不好 謝謝院長我們再做分析好 謝謝謝謝副官紀委員質詢謝謝卓院長 相關部會首長 貝巡謝謝接下來\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:21.192 --> 00:41.713\n主席請院長麻煩請卓院長備詢副院長好院長好從今天的打造到\n\n00:43.595 --> 01:08.980\n立法院本院來做報告之後下禮拜二就是一般性補助款也要請卓院長到立法院來做相關的說明我想今天很重要的就是台灣現在面臨兩岸的不和平還有對美關稅的問題讓人民洪洪不安因為畢竟台灣85%的產業都是以外銷為主\n\n01:12.659 --> 01:40.399\n那此時此刻台灣人心必須要安定那詐騙集團的橫行已經行之多年立法院不斷的配合行政院給予必要的這些工具跟立法國會都是全面的來支持配合但是到現在為止114年8月\n\n01:43.471 --> 02:06.879\n請問卓院長你剛剛報告完畢到底我們打炸有沒有成效行政院卓院長你身為閣僱你滿不滿意現在打炸有沒有成效政府機關滿不滿意我覺得沒有國人會滿意現在的打炸工作\n\n02:08.086 --> 02:34.805\n但是國人不滿意的話這一群工作的同仁還是值得鼓勵國人不滿意的話那院長滿不滿意我自己要求我們從政策上多給予更多的支持我們也給這些工作同仁更多的鼓勵我們從數字的下降來看是有進展的我們就來看一下詐騙逼死一家五口啊敲醒政府的警鐘\n\n02:37.948 --> 03:03.039\n詐騙集團逼死台中一家五口政府如何重視還是有曾經關心過詐騙案嗎來下一頁內湖雙屍母女遭詐騙輕生為了謀財不惜害命這個來累積一六百個詐騙案嫌犯\n\n03:06.448 --> 03:34.127\n被遣送大陸被遣送大陸這個真的是台灣之光是嗎台灣的詐騙已經橫行到全世界然後呢在海外設機房在台灣訓練好之後到海外去行騙全世界不只騙台灣人騙全世界的人只要全世界有華人的地方就是他們下手的目標\n\n03:35.404 --> 04:02.994\n然後這個被押解到大陸去啊這個沒有被判死刑啊大概一輩子也出不來來下一頁這個炸團啊這個警察空間又逮捕25人炸團橫跨北中南運動員可以看一下嗎再過來現在不是炸團而已還囚禁被害人然後凌虐致死\n\n04:04.881 --> 04:32.136\n自由時報等等再來台灣多數金箭浮屍浮屍炸團黑吃黑殺人滅口再來短短兩週台灣三地有看到三具浮屍再來從2020年到2023年因為2023年以後\n\n04:34.994 --> 05:00.591\n大概警政署已經很懼怕人民在看這些資料2023年以後本席跟警政署要他們不做這個資料也不提供了以前在民國60年70年那個時候台灣民風有多麼善良有一件服侍案全國查抓到為止\n\n05:04.056 --> 05:19.137\n我們現在一年幾百件的腐蝕案幾百件的腐蝕案院長本席再請教一次您對現在整個政府體系打詐的成果您滿意嗎\n\n05:20.885 --> 05:49.458\n我認為我跟國人一樣都不會滿意現在的呈現出來的成果但是委員剛剛說的那些治安的問題確實是問題它跟打詐之間有沒有百分之百直接的關聯這個值得我們再去分析但是我願意面對治安的問題我們從這個方向來做自我的檢討治安也是行政院的問題打詐也是行政院的問題這個數字讓院長了解就是難辭其咎\n\n05:51.489 --> 06:13.118\n必須睜大眼睛好好來研究怎麼解決來為什麼我們台灣的詐騙如此的猖獗台灣只有6%的人沒有被詐騙過台灣為什麼成為詐騙之島這都媒體的報導再來\n\n06:21.072 --> 06:49.071\n剛剛院長在報告有提到希望立法院能夠全力支持來配合去年打詐司法我們是不是配合了配合了行政院配合了法務部打詐新司法也通過了但是我們完全配合法務部\n\n06:50.117 --> 07:09.534\n配合行政院配合警政署所有需要的工具所有司法勤制單位需要的立法立法院通過以後越打越炸越打越炸院長\n\n07:11.772 --> 07:39.435\n報告委員我剛剛的數字已經有說明了本席案件下降了百分之二十二今天下降了百分之三十七點五是不是下降我們一步一步來討論我知道這個數字不代表一種承認謝謝你啦你在這裡願會向全民告訴說我們的詐騙案有下降那我們就慢慢來看您剛剛也特別提醒大家要去看那個打詐疑標板好我們繼續來台灣為什麼一直被國際點名\n\n07:42.240 --> 08:09.185\n詐騙王國跟洗錢中心台灣善良的寶島曾幾何時會成為國際的詐騙王國跟洗錢中心請您看清楚下一頁聯合國點名台灣是詐騙洗錢中心院長這都是今年\n\n08:10.459 --> 08:29.350\n聯合國的報告4月22號發布的所以打詐釋法中洗錢防治法我們會盡力的把它發揮它的效應要的工具國會都支持要的經費國會也支持來下一頁來113年打詐行動綱領去年13.9億今年73.5億一次增加5.6倍\n\n08:40.811 --> 08:49.419\n院長增加了這麼多錢我們來看一看成果再來2020到2024從2023年2024年從新政府上台從原本2020年詐騙金額42億到去年的487億\n\n09:08.308 --> 09:22.283\n到今年上半年就481現在是確確實實聯合國的報告啊台灣是全世界第一名的詐騙王國院長這個數字有點諷刺\n\n09:28.769 --> 09:35.977\n院長看一下去年齁2024年跟2020年2020年42億2024年487億遭詐騙金額今年1到6月480億這是不是歷史的偶然齁我們看下一頁\n\n09:47.706 --> 10:02.357\n統計方式不一樣那這個是跟委員報告這個是統計方式資料來源就是剛剛要跟本席解釋本席沒有請你發言本席沒有請你發言委員我講一句本席在跟你討論統計方式不一樣沒有關係因為剛剛院長的報告本席聽得很清楚請我們看答詐飲料版\n\n10:11.909 --> 10:23.416\n打造業老闆顯示出來而且這是歷史的偶然看一下今年1月到6月份竟然是888888件這數字怎麼會這麼偶然打造業老闆公佈的上半年的詐騙金額就481億院長再過來看審計部審計部的資料\n\n10:44.892 --> 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