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00:01:00,417\n就是包括裕隆、中華車、三洋、合泰車、裕日車還有範德永業他們整個上半年的一個狀態都嚴重的虧損六大車廠全部都一面倒那我在想說這一面倒當中的時候我們看到中華車跟裕日車\n\n4\n00:01:01,337 --> 00:01:27,415\n就是衰退超過三成這真的是一個產業上的一個大災難我想請問一下部長對於這樣的一個狀態的時候經濟部是不是有掌握產業下滑的原因跟影響是在什麼地方可不可以請部長簡單回答我可不可以請我們署長他這方面比較了解可以謝謝你報告委員因為這次的關稅的談判\n\n5\n00:01:29,802 --> 00:01:37,813\n導致的一些消費者他們的觀望他們是期待說是不是有進一步的可能的關稅降低然後再\n\n6\n00:01:38,662 --> 00:02:06,393\n这个等于是买气下降所以你觉得是关税的问题是大环境的问题对不对所以在这状态当中的时候我们看到这整个状态然后我要特别先看下一页而且这个状态的时候其实是整个1到7月全部都大幅的衰退而且不分进口车不分国产车全部都衰退我们回到上一页在这样的一个情况之下的时候我要特别帮就是\n\n7\n00:02:07,874 --> 00:02:26,155\n國內的國產車的產業特別請命他們在碰到這樣一個大海嘯過程當中的時候我們經濟部有沒有什麼具體的一個方式有沒有一個具體的一個政策或者一個方案針對一個國產車的一個部分給他們適當的一個協助跟扶持\n\n8\n00:02:27,439 --> 00:02:47,103\n回報委員那因為我們上次談到的這個產業支持方案最先的意思是說希望能夠針對於消美的這樣子的一個影響來做產業支持那現在我們可以把這個產業支持方案把它擴大解釋成為說假設我們將來談判完了以後有擴大市場\n\n9\n00:02:49,285 --> 00:02:58,976\n對內銷的部分如果造成衝擊我們也可以適用產業支持方案所以在這種情況之下的話我們也希望能夠爭取將汽車產業列入產業支持方案受衝擊的這個產業的這樣的一個協助的範疇OK\n\n10\n00:03:03,021 --> 00:03:14,514\n產業支持方案的部分因為坦白說關稅的問題的時候之前全部的重點都是放在出口的產業那這可以理解因為是美國掀起這一次對等關稅的一個戰爭可是對於整個國內的產業來說的時候汽車產業是一個馬上就是被\n\n11\n00:03:22,217 --> 00:03:49,920\n槍打到馬上被槍打到馬上躺平那麼在這樣的一個情況之下的時候就是不只是進口車受影響國內的製造的汽車國產車也受到大量的一個影響那國產車的重要性因為它牽涉到了30多萬人到50萬人家庭當中的一個影響這個部分而且它的產業鏈是很複雜很多的台灣有很多的汽車零配件的廠商也是國際級的\n\n12\n00:03:51,501 --> 00:04:09,251\n所以不管是車前的部分或者是車後市場的部分的時候都非常的重要所以針對這個國產車的這個部分的時候呢本期希望經濟部這邊除了產發組這邊的時候我們希望有更具體的一個部分給他們更大的一個幫助因為當我們看到整個\n\n13\n00:04:10,572 --> 00:04:28,583\n六大車廠全部都一面倒的時候我們就這問題非常非常的嚴重它勢必會影響到整個台灣現有的一個汽車產業那也包括所有的汽車零組件的部分所以在這邊可不可以請署長或部長跟署長這邊針對這個部分可不可以有進一步的一個說明\n\n14\n00:04:30,354 --> 00:04:41,849\n報告委員我們從這個四月份開始就不斷地跟業者在討論希望說面臨到這個關稅這樣的一個進口的這種衝擊那麼國內的這些車廠應該如何來因應\n\n15\n00:04:48,457 --> 00:05:09,744\n那我們都有討論不斷地在討論不斷地在溝通我們希望能夠找到一條適合他們在台灣發展的這樣的一個方向那因為這個是沒有還沒有一個確定每一家廠商因為他們很多都是外系日系的韓系的\n\n16\n00:05:10,684 --> 00:05:28,437\n對目前所謂的國產車其實全部都是外國的品牌他們在台灣這邊做組裝即使做組裝這個部分對整個台灣的一個汽車產業還是有一些貢獻不管在就業的部分或者是說在一些相關技術的一個升級上面來說都還是很重要的\n\n17\n00:05:28,777 --> 00:05:52,062\n所以本席希望說我們經濟部在考量整個汽車產業當中的時候對於國產車的部分跟進口車的部分雖然目前前七個月所有的汽車產業全部都倒可是對於國產車的部分的時候我們希望經濟部這邊基於整個產業扶持的狀態的時候能夠有更具體的方案提出來是報告委員我們現在盡量來跟他們討論\n\n18\n00:05:53,902 --> 00:06:17,547\n希望他们能够发展台湾的优势产业在车辆上面选择这个车的这个车的这个怎么讲比如说电动车这样的这一款是不是在台湾制造对他们来讲是比较有利的他因为是国际品牌所以他虽然没有发展电动车是他的主力\n\n19\n00:06:18,667 --> 00:06:43,708\n那他可能都是以油電車為主力但是我們建議他是不是可以把全世界他需要生產電動車可以在台灣來生產市部長這樣子的一個產業穩定方案或者說你這邊提到一個建議產業發展方向大概什麼時候可以提出來我們都一直在討論我們都一直在討論但是我想可不可以盡快給我一個時間因為我想說他們這樣導成一片的時候他們需要有一些\n\n20\n00:06:45,910 --> 00:07:13,332\n我們的方法我們一直要跟尊重這個企業產業我們是協助他但是我們不能夠我們對這些產業我們關心的程度跟委員是一樣理解部長我在想說針對這個部分因為國產車的這個部分因為它牽涉到太多家庭了30到50萬30萬到50萬的一個家庭都受到國產汽車這樣子的影響所以我們希望經濟部這邊能夠扮演更好的一個角色好不好\n\n21\n00:07:13,632 --> 00:07:31,668\n是然後對於國產車的一個扶持的部分一定要有更具體的一個操作的方式那之後請部長這邊也隨時給本席一些相關的一些經濟部這邊新的一個方向跟政策有什麼樣進度就隨時跟本辦公室這邊做一個回報好不好好的\n\n22\n00:07:32,674 --> 00:07:55,928\n好那麼接下來因為8月23號的時候有一個公投案就是河山研議的公投啦那我在想說想先請教一下部長這邊就是說如果那個公投通過了之後假設說這次通過像之前一樣就是2018年以核養綠公投一樣通過了之後的時候我們經濟部作為能源主管機關的時候可不可以承諾會繼續往下走\n\n23\n00:07:58,462 --> 00:08:10,206\n報告委員我想這個核酸研疫公投的部分因為我們基本上的態度安全安全是不能夠用公投來決定的我想對我們來講這個\n\n24\n00:08:13,237 --> 00:08:30,819\n核電我想總統有指示的非常的清楚兩個必須三個原則我們經濟部就是follow兩個必須三個原則這樣的一個方向理解喔因為我在想說目前都是用這樣的方向在走因為我想說公投畢竟是一個很重要的一個\n\n25\n00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:59,969\n社會共識的一個狀態那我這邊我想請教當然理解這個部分我們完全理解這個狀態可是目前全球對於整個核電研議的部分其實各個地方都在做我相信美國這方面的技術應該比我們更好然後部長跟美國關係也很好我再相信對於這樣的一個核能安全的部分我沒辦法掌握到最新的一個狀態我這邊想特別另外問一個狀態是因為有一個核三廠的一個\n\n26\n00:09:00,849 --> 00:09:20,571\n管理阶层的一个经理他之前有特别提到说我们在前几年曾经做过一个河山研疫的一个评估然后确实也都觉得说河山要研疫20年在安全上是没有问题的那当时是因为政策的部分所以没有提出来请问部长知不知道这件事情是不是确定有这样的一件事\n\n27\n00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:44,296\n對傳聞我們想我個人是對傳聞沒有具體的這個文件對傳聞是不予置評這個其實不是傳聞所以說我想說請部長這邊特別去了解一下因為他講得非常非常的具體報告委員我想那我是不是請台電來跟您報告一下可以\n\n28\n00:09:46,004 --> 00:10:07,946\n包委員那個因為核電廠當時在在評估內部在評估的時候其實是都還在發電的階段所以跟現在整個已經廚藝下來之後要再去做評估其實就第二個必須裡面我們必須還要再重做一次那結果怎麼樣才能夠才知道所以說之前確實有一個這樣子在還沒有\n\n29\n00:10:08,601 --> 00:10:29,044\n就是停止運轉之前確實有一個這樣的研議的一個評估嗎只是內部初步的評估而已不是說那個非常正式的OK理解所以有一個內部初步的評估然後確定覺得當時初步評估覺得20年是可以的那現在因為已經年度跟那個其實不是委員講的啦那個只是說當時有一個初步的評估而已\n\n30\n00:10:29,324 --> 00:10:58,030\nOK那我想因為公投事實上就是一個整個社會民意的一個展現那我希望說行政部門對於整個公投的一個結果能夠給予最大一個尊重主委院長是說他尊重這個公投的結果那我們也希望就是經濟部這邊對於整個公投結果能夠給予最大一個尊重因為其實坦白說目前很多坊間都擔心就是公投過了之後也許就像2018年以和洋綠公投過了一樣\n\n31\n00:10:58,770 --> 00:11:14,389\n政府一樣不去運作公投會變得沒有意義我們希望每一次的公投都是非常有意義有價值的好不好部長是報告委員我想經濟部是執行單位經濟部立場就是依法行政所以這個\n\n32\n00:11:17,432 --> 00:11:33,662\n政策如果只是重啟那麼台電公司就會針對這個核電廠進行安全總體檢結構設備組件的這個受其管理設備太舊換新然後補正補強的評估那提出重啟計畫送國際\n\n33\n00:11:35,843 --> 00:11:50,793\n同儕審視那麼以及監管單位和安會的審查那麼一審查意見來改善通過理解那麼我們希望整個行政部門對整個公投的結果能夠給予最高度的一個尊重跟落實去執行以上謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n370\t14330\t那請問各位同仁上次會議議事物有無錯誤沒有喔那我們就議事物確定謝謝主席我想請一下郭部長郭部長\n22179\t39768\t委員長部長好今天主席安排了一個災後復原的一個狀態那我今天特別來針對一個台灣一個產業它也碰到一個大災難就是我們看一下就是汽車產業今年上半年六大車廠的情況慘不能讀\n40828\t60417\t就是包括裕隆、中華車、三洋、合泰車、裕日車還有範德永業他們整個上半年的一個狀態都嚴重的虧損六大車廠全部都一面倒那我在想說這一面倒當中的時候我們看到中華車跟裕日車\n61337\t87415\t就是衰退超過三成這真的是一個產業上的一個大災難我想請問一下部長對於這樣的一個狀態的時候經濟部是不是有掌握產業下滑的原因跟影響是在什麼地方可不可以請部長簡單回答我可不可以請我們署長他這方面比較了解可以謝謝你報告委員因為這次的關稅的談判\n89802\t97813\t導致的一些消費者他們的觀望他們是期待說是不是有進一步的可能的關稅降低然後再\n98662\t126393\t这个等于是买气下降所以你觉得是关税的问题是大环境的问题对不对所以在这状态当中的时候我们看到这整个状态然后我要特别先看下一页而且这个状态的时候其实是整个1到7月全部都大幅的衰退而且不分进口车不分国产车全部都衰退我们回到上一页在这样的一个情况之下的时候我要特别帮就是\n127874\t146155\t國內的國產車的產業特別請命他們在碰到這樣一個大海嘯過程當中的時候我們經濟部有沒有什麼具體的一個方式有沒有一個具體的一個政策或者一個方案針對一個國產車的一個部分給他們適當的一個協助跟扶持\n147439\t167103\t回報委員那因為我們上次談到的這個產業支持方案最先的意思是說希望能夠針對於消美的這樣子的一個影響來做產業支持那現在我們可以把這個產業支持方案把它擴大解釋成為說假設我們將來談判完了以後有擴大市場\n169285\t178976\t對內銷的部分如果造成衝擊我們也可以適用產業支持方案所以在這種情況之下的話我們也希望能夠爭取將汽車產業列入產業支持方案受衝擊的這個產業的這樣的一個協助的範疇OK\n183021\t194514\t產業支持方案的部分因為坦白說關稅的問題的時候之前全部的重點都是放在出口的產業那這可以理解因為是美國掀起這一次對等關稅的一個戰爭可是對於整個國內的產業來說的時候汽車產業是一個馬上就是被\n202217\t229920\t槍打到馬上被槍打到馬上躺平那麼在這樣的一個情況之下的時候就是不只是進口車受影響國內的製造的汽車國產車也受到大量的一個影響那國產車的重要性因為它牽涉到了30多萬人到50萬人家庭當中的一個影響這個部分而且它的產業鏈是很複雜很多的台灣有很多的汽車零配件的廠商也是國際級的\n231501\t249251\t所以不管是車前的部分或者是車後市場的部分的時候都非常的重要所以針對這個國產車的這個部分的時候呢本期希望經濟部這邊除了產發組這邊的時候我們希望有更具體的一個部分給他們更大的一個幫助因為當我們看到整個\n250572\t268583\t六大車廠全部都一面倒的時候我們就這問題非常非常的嚴重它勢必會影響到整個台灣現有的一個汽車產業那也包括所有的汽車零組件的部分所以在這邊可不可以請署長或部長跟署長這邊針對這個部分可不可以有進一步的一個說明\n270354\t281849\t報告委員 我們從這個四月份開始就不斷地跟業者在討論希望說面臨到這個關稅這樣的一個進口的這種衝擊那麼國內的這些車廠應該如何來因應\n288457\t309744\t那我們都有討論 不斷地在討論 不斷地在溝通我們希望能夠找到一條適合他們在台灣發展的這樣的一個方向那因為這個是沒有 還沒有一個確定每一家廠商 因為他們很多都是外系日系的 韓系的\n310684\t328437\t對目前所謂的國產車其實全部都是外國的品牌他們在台灣這邊做組裝即使做組裝這個部分對整個台灣的一個汽車產業還是有一些貢獻不管在就業的部分或者是說在一些相關技術的一個升級上面來說都還是很重要的\n328777\t352062\t所以本席希望說我們經濟部在考量整個汽車產業當中的時候對於國產車的部分跟進口車的部分雖然目前前七個月所有的汽車產業全部都倒可是對於國產車的部分的時候我們希望經濟部這邊基於整個產業扶持的狀態的時候能夠有更具體的方案提出來是 報告委員我們現在盡量來跟他們討論\n353902\t377547\t希望他们能够发展台湾的优势产业在车辆上面选择这个车的这个车的这个怎么讲比如说电动车这样的这一款是不是在台湾制造对他们来讲是比较有利的他因为是国际品牌所以他虽然没有发展电动车是他的主力\n378667\t403708\t那他可能都是以油電車為主力但是我們建議他是不是可以把全世界他需要生產電動車可以在台灣來生產市部長這樣子的一個產業穩定方案或者說你這邊提到一個建議產業發展方向大概什麼時候可以提出來我們都一直在討論我們都一直在討論但是我想可不可以盡快給我一個時間因為我想說他們這樣導成一片的時候他們需要有一些\n405910\t433332\t我們的方法我們一直要跟尊重這個企業產業我們是協助他但是我們不能夠我們對這些產業我們關心的程度跟委員是一樣理解部長我在想說針對這個部分因為國產車的這個部分因為它牽涉到太多家庭了30到50萬30萬到50萬的一個家庭都受到國產汽車這樣子的影響所以我們希望經濟部這邊能夠扮演更好的一個角色好不好\n433632\t451668\t是然後對於國產車的一個扶持的部分一定要有更具體的一個操作的方式那之後請部長這邊也隨時給本席一些相關的一些經濟部這邊新的一個方向跟政策有什麼樣進度就隨時跟本辦公室這邊做一個回報好不好好的\n452674\t475928\t好 那麼接下來因為8月23號的時候有一個公投案就是河山研議的公投啦那我在想說想先請教一下部長這邊就是說如果那個公投通過了之後假設說這次通過像之前一樣就是2018年以核養綠公投一樣通過了之後的時候我們經濟部作為能源主管機關的時候可不可以承諾會繼續往下走\n478462\t490206\t報告委員我想這個核酸研疫公投的部分因為我們基本上的態度 安全安全是不能夠用公投來決定的我想對我們來講這個\n493237\t510819\t核電我想總統有指示的非常的清楚兩個必須三個原則我們經濟部就是follow兩個必須三個原則這樣的一個方向理解喔 因為我在想說目前都是用這樣的方向在走因為我想說公投畢竟是一個很重要的一個\n512560\t539969\t社會共識的一個狀態那我這邊我想請教當然理解這個部分我們完全理解這個狀態可是目前全球對於整個核電研議的部分其實各個地方都在做我相信美國這方面的技術應該比我們更好然後部長跟美國關係也很好我再相信對於這樣的一個核能安全的部分我沒辦法掌握到最新的一個狀態我這邊想特別另外問一個狀態是因為有一個核三廠的一個\n540849\t560571\t管理阶层的一个经理他之前有特别提到说我们在前几年曾经做过一个河山研疫的一个评估然后确实也都觉得说河山要研疫20年在安全上是没有问题的那当时是因为政策的部分所以没有提出来请问部长知不知道这件事情是不是确定有这样的一件事\n562639\t584296\t對傳聞我們想我個人是對傳聞沒有具體的這個文件對傳聞是不予置評這個其實不是傳聞所以說我想說請部長這邊特別去了解一下因為他講得非常非常的具體報告委員我想那我是不是請台電來跟您報告一下可以\n586004\t607946\t包委員那個因為核電廠當時在在評估內部在評估的時候其實是都還在發電的階段所以跟現在整個已經廚藝下來之後要再去做評估其實就第二個必須裡面我們必須還要再重做一次那結果怎麼樣才能夠才知道所以說之前確實有一個這樣子在還沒有\n608601\t629044\t就是停止運轉之前確實有一個這樣的研議的一個評估嗎只是內部初步的評估而已不是說那個非常正式的OK 理解所以有一個內部初步的評估然後確定覺得當時初步評估覺得20年是可以的那現在因為已經年度跟那個其實不是委員講的啦那個只是說當時有一個初步的評估而已\n629324\t658030\tOK 那我想因為公投事實上就是一個整個社會民意的一個展現那我希望說行政部門對於整個公投的一個結果能夠給予最大一個尊重主委院長是說他尊重這個公投的結果那我們也希望就是經濟部這邊對於整個公投結果能夠給予最大一個尊重因為其實坦白說目前很多坊間都擔心就是公投過了之後也許就像2018年以和洋綠公投過了一樣\n658770\t674389\t政府一樣不去運作公投會變得沒有意義我們希望每一次的公投都是非常有意義有價值的好不好 部長是 報告委員我想經濟部是執行單位經濟部立場就是依法行政所以這個\n677432\t693662\t政策如果只是重啟那麼台電公司就會針對這個核電廠進行安全總體檢結構設備組件的這個受其管理設備太舊換新然後補正補強的評估那提出重啟計畫送國際\n695843\t710793\t同儕審視那麼以及監管單位和安會的審查那麼一審查意見來改善通過理解那麼我們希望整個行政部門對整個公投的結果能夠給予最高度的一個尊重跟落實去執行以上 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","txt":"那請問各位同仁上次會議議事物有無錯誤沒有喔那我們就議事物確定謝謝主席我想請一下郭部長郭部長\n委員長部長好今天主席安排了一個災後復原的一個狀態那我今天特別來針對一個台灣一個產業它也碰到一個大災難就是我們看一下就是汽車產業今年上半年六大車廠的情況慘不能讀\n就是包括裕隆、中華車、三洋、合泰車、裕日車還有範德永業他們整個上半年的一個狀態都嚴重的虧損六大車廠全部都一面倒那我在想說這一面倒當中的時候我們看到中華車跟裕日車\n就是衰退超過三成這真的是一個產業上的一個大災難我想請問一下部長對於這樣的一個狀態的時候經濟部是不是有掌握產業下滑的原因跟影響是在什麼地方可不可以請部長簡單回答我可不可以請我們署長他這方面比較了解可以謝謝你報告委員因為這次的關稅的談判\n導致的一些消費者他們的觀望他們是期待說是不是有進一步的可能的關稅降低然後再\n这个等于是买气下降所以你觉得是关税的问题是大环境的问题对不对所以在这状态当中的时候我们看到这整个状态然后我要特别先看下一页而且这个状态的时候其实是整个1到7月全部都大幅的衰退而且不分进口车不分国产车全部都衰退我们回到上一页在这样的一个情况之下的时候我要特别帮就是\n國內的國產車的產業特別請命他們在碰到這樣一個大海嘯過程當中的時候我們經濟部有沒有什麼具體的一個方式有沒有一個具體的一個政策或者一個方案針對一個國產車的一個部分給他們適當的一個協助跟扶持\n回報委員那因為我們上次談到的這個產業支持方案最先的意思是說希望能夠針對於消美的這樣子的一個影響來做產業支持那現在我們可以把這個產業支持方案把它擴大解釋成為說假設我們將來談判完了以後有擴大市場\n對內銷的部分如果造成衝擊我們也可以適用產業支持方案所以在這種情況之下的話我們也希望能夠爭取將汽車產業列入產業支持方案受衝擊的這個產業的這樣的一個協助的範疇OK\n產業支持方案的部分因為坦白說關稅的問題的時候之前全部的重點都是放在出口的產業那這可以理解因為是美國掀起這一次對等關稅的一個戰爭可是對於整個國內的產業來說的時候汽車產業是一個馬上就是被\n槍打到馬上被槍打到馬上躺平那麼在這樣的一個情況之下的時候就是不只是進口車受影響國內的製造的汽車國產車也受到大量的一個影響那國產車的重要性因為它牽涉到了30多萬人到50萬人家庭當中的一個影響這個部分而且它的產業鏈是很複雜很多的台灣有很多的汽車零配件的廠商也是國際級的\n所以不管是車前的部分或者是車後市場的部分的時候都非常的重要所以針對這個國產車的這個部分的時候呢本期希望經濟部這邊除了產發組這邊的時候我們希望有更具體的一個部分給他們更大的一個幫助因為當我們看到整個\n六大車廠全部都一面倒的時候我們就這問題非常非常的嚴重它勢必會影響到整個台灣現有的一個汽車產業那也包括所有的汽車零組件的部分所以在這邊可不可以請署長或部長跟署長這邊針對這個部分可不可以有進一步的一個說明\n報告委員 我們從這個四月份開始就不斷地跟業者在討論希望說面臨到這個關稅這樣的一個進口的這種衝擊那麼國內的這些車廠應該如何來因應\n那我們都有討論 不斷地在討論 不斷地在溝通我們希望能夠找到一條適合他們在台灣發展的這樣的一個方向那因為這個是沒有 還沒有一個確定每一家廠商 因為他們很多都是外系日系的 韓系的\n對目前所謂的國產車其實全部都是外國的品牌他們在台灣這邊做組裝即使做組裝這個部分對整個台灣的一個汽車產業還是有一些貢獻不管在就業的部分或者是說在一些相關技術的一個升級上面來說都還是很重要的\n所以本席希望說我們經濟部在考量整個汽車產業當中的時候對於國產車的部分跟進口車的部分雖然目前前七個月所有的汽車產業全部都倒可是對於國產車的部分的時候我們希望經濟部這邊基於整個產業扶持的狀態的時候能夠有更具體的方案提出來是 報告委員我們現在盡量來跟他們討論\n希望他们能够发展台湾的优势产业在车辆上面选择这个车的这个车的这个怎么讲比如说电动车这样的这一款是不是在台湾制造对他们来讲是比较有利的他因为是国际品牌所以他虽然没有发展电动车是他的主力\n那他可能都是以油電車為主力但是我們建議他是不是可以把全世界他需要生產電動車可以在台灣來生產市部長這樣子的一個產業穩定方案或者說你這邊提到一個建議產業發展方向大概什麼時候可以提出來我們都一直在討論我們都一直在討論但是我想可不可以盡快給我一個時間因為我想說他們這樣導成一片的時候他們需要有一些\n我們的方法我們一直要跟尊重這個企業產業我們是協助他但是我們不能夠我們對這些產業我們關心的程度跟委員是一樣理解部長我在想說針對這個部分因為國產車的這個部分因為它牽涉到太多家庭了30到50萬30萬到50萬的一個家庭都受到國產汽車這樣子的影響所以我們希望經濟部這邊能夠扮演更好的一個角色好不好\n是然後對於國產車的一個扶持的部分一定要有更具體的一個操作的方式那之後請部長這邊也隨時給本席一些相關的一些經濟部這邊新的一個方向跟政策有什麼樣進度就隨時跟本辦公室這邊做一個回報好不好好的\n好 那麼接下來因為8月23號的時候有一個公投案就是河山研議的公投啦那我在想說想先請教一下部長這邊就是說如果那個公投通過了之後假設說這次通過像之前一樣就是2018年以核養綠公投一樣通過了之後的時候我們經濟部作為能源主管機關的時候可不可以承諾會繼續往下走\n報告委員我想這個核酸研疫公投的部分因為我們基本上的態度 安全安全是不能夠用公投來決定的我想對我們來講這個\n核電我想總統有指示的非常的清楚兩個必須三個原則我們經濟部就是follow兩個必須三個原則這樣的一個方向理解喔 因為我在想說目前都是用這樣的方向在走因為我想說公投畢竟是一個很重要的一個\n社會共識的一個狀態那我這邊我想請教當然理解這個部分我們完全理解這個狀態可是目前全球對於整個核電研議的部分其實各個地方都在做我相信美國這方面的技術應該比我們更好然後部長跟美國關係也很好我再相信對於這樣的一個核能安全的部分我沒辦法掌握到最新的一個狀態我這邊想特別另外問一個狀態是因為有一個核三廠的一個\n管理阶层的一个经理他之前有特别提到说我们在前几年曾经做过一个河山研疫的一个评估然后确实也都觉得说河山要研疫20年在安全上是没有问题的那当时是因为政策的部分所以没有提出来请问部长知不知道这件事情是不是确定有这样的一件事\n對傳聞我們想我個人是對傳聞沒有具體的這個文件對傳聞是不予置評這個其實不是傳聞所以說我想說請部長這邊特別去了解一下因為他講得非常非常的具體報告委員我想那我是不是請台電來跟您報告一下可以\n包委員那個因為核電廠當時在在評估內部在評估的時候其實是都還在發電的階段所以跟現在整個已經廚藝下來之後要再去做評估其實就第二個必須裡面我們必須還要再重做一次那結果怎麼樣才能夠才知道所以說之前確實有一個這樣子在還沒有\n就是停止運轉之前確實有一個這樣的研議的一個評估嗎只是內部初步的評估而已不是說那個非常正式的OK 理解所以有一個內部初步的評估然後確定覺得當時初步評估覺得20年是可以的那現在因為已經年度跟那個其實不是委員講的啦那個只是說當時有一個初步的評估而已\nOK 那我想因為公投事實上就是一個整個社會民意的一個展現那我希望說行政部門對於整個公投的一個結果能夠給予最大一個尊重主委院長是說他尊重這個公投的結果那我們也希望就是經濟部這邊對於整個公投結果能夠給予最大一個尊重因為其實坦白說目前很多坊間都擔心就是公投過了之後也許就像2018年以和洋綠公投過了一樣\n政府一樣不去運作公投會變得沒有意義我們希望每一次的公投都是非常有意義有價值的好不好 部長是 報告委員我想經濟部是執行單位經濟部立場就是依法行政所以這個\n政策如果只是重啟那麼台電公司就會針對這個核電廠進行安全總體檢結構設備組件的這個受其管理設備太舊換新然後補正補強的評估那提出重啟計畫送國際\n同儕審視那麼以及監管單位和安會的審查那麼一審查意見來改善通過理解那麼我們希望整個行政部門對整個公投的結果能夠給予最高度的一個尊重跟落實去執行以上 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.370 --> 00:14.330\n那請問各位同仁上次會議議事物有無錯誤沒有喔那我們就議事物確定謝謝主席我想請一下郭部長郭部長\n\n00:22.179 --> 00:39.768\n委員長部長好今天主席安排了一個災後復原的一個狀態那我今天特別來針對一個台灣一個產業它也碰到一個大災難就是我們看一下就是汽車產業今年上半年六大車廠的情況慘不能讀\n\n00:40.828 --> 01:00.417\n就是包括裕隆、中華車、三洋、合泰車、裕日車還有範德永業他們整個上半年的一個狀態都嚴重的虧損六大車廠全部都一面倒那我在想說這一面倒當中的時候我們看到中華車跟裕日車\n\n01:01.337 --> 01:27.415\n就是衰退超過三成這真的是一個產業上的一個大災難我想請問一下部長對於這樣的一個狀態的時候經濟部是不是有掌握產業下滑的原因跟影響是在什麼地方可不可以請部長簡單回答我可不可以請我們署長他這方面比較了解可以謝謝你報告委員因為這次的關稅的談判\n\n01:29.802 --> 01:37.813\n導致的一些消費者他們的觀望他們是期待說是不是有進一步的可能的關稅降低然後再\n\n01:38.662 --> 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07:13.332\n我們的方法我們一直要跟尊重這個企業產業我們是協助他但是我們不能夠我們對這些產業我們關心的程度跟委員是一樣理解部長我在想說針對這個部分因為國產車的這個部分因為它牽涉到太多家庭了30到50萬30萬到50萬的一個家庭都受到國產汽車這樣子的影響所以我們希望經濟部這邊能夠扮演更好的一個角色好不好\n\n07:13.632 --> 07:31.668\n是然後對於國產車的一個扶持的部分一定要有更具體的一個操作的方式那之後請部長這邊也隨時給本席一些相關的一些經濟部這邊新的一個方向跟政策有什麼樣進度就隨時跟本辦公室這邊做一個回報好不好好的\n\n07:32.674 --> 07:55.928\n好那麼接下來因為8月23號的時候有一個公投案就是河山研議的公投啦那我在想說想先請教一下部長這邊就是說如果那個公投通過了之後假設說這次通過像之前一樣就是2018年以核養綠公投一樣通過了之後的時候我們經濟部作為能源主管機關的時候可不可以承諾會繼續往下走\n\n07:58.462 --> 08:10.206\n報告委員我想這個核酸研疫公投的部分因為我們基本上的態度安全安全是不能夠用公投來決定的我想對我們來講這個\n\n08:13.237 --> 08:30.819\n核電我想總統有指示的非常的清楚兩個必須三個原則我們經濟部就是follow兩個必須三個原則這樣的一個方向理解喔因為我在想說目前都是用這樣的方向在走因為我想說公投畢竟是一個很重要的一個\n\n08:32.560 --> 08:59.969\n社會共識的一個狀態那我這邊我想請教當然理解這個部分我們完全理解這個狀態可是目前全球對於整個核電研議的部分其實各個地方都在做我相信美國這方面的技術應該比我們更好然後部長跟美國關係也很好我再相信對於這樣的一個核能安全的部分我沒辦法掌握到最新的一個狀態我這邊想特別另外問一個狀態是因為有一個核三廠的一個\n\n09:00.849 --> 09:20.571\n管理阶层的一个经理他之前有特别提到说我们在前几年曾经做过一个河山研疫的一个评估然后确实也都觉得说河山要研疫20年在安全上是没有问题的那当时是因为政策的部分所以没有提出来请问部长知不知道这件事情是不是确定有这样的一件事\n\n09:22.639 --> 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