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00:01:29,694\n那我為什麼提到重災區呢我本席非常的不滿我看到您通篇的報告您說您去了嘉義去了台南這還是你們的訪視團訪問團喔有到台北有到嘉義市這個台南嘉義就沒有到我高雄的重災區您知道高雄的重災區呀這三區發生了什麼事情呢來這個新聞\n\n5\n00:01:33,326 --> 00:01:52,253\n颱風過後喝山泉水喝到沒命高雄風災山人懶類比取往這個類比取啊死亡率45%到75%所以說呢也就是說你對於山區重災區之後道路中斷水跟電完全沒有斷水斷電\n\n6\n00:01:54,391 --> 00:02:19,631\n電你們從以前到現在都有講到電韌性花了將近4000到5000多億來做電網韌性所以到山區啊大概台電也都知道我趕快要布建這個微電網都已經有這個政策的預算而這將近5000億的電韌性是誰給的不是你不本不給的是行政院重視行政院給的錢那水韌性呢\n\n7\n00:02:21,175 --> 00:02:35,828\n部長這個我完全沒有看到經濟部部本部你水電的任性你是主責機關欸是經濟部對於水電任性你是規劃但你們沒有\n\n8\n00:02:36,628 --> 00:03:03,475\n這不是台水跟台浚的工作而且包括這個台水本身他最主要的工作是什麼他只做漏他只做防漏然後呢這個汰換水管那汰換水管的錢到現在他都得借錢你們喔這了不起啦齁在王美花部長這邊啊捐取了80億分4年給1年20億都不夠20億放在我高雄都不夠\n\n9\n00:03:04,986 --> 00:03:29,184\n所以呢在這個水韌性當中你看我們福倫社都還會趕快的去捐這個災區喔仿山鄉屏東兩部淨水器一部淨水器重達2到3公斤輕輕的而且也不用電大概花台幣10萬塊那他送兩部可以一部可以過濾20萬公升的飲用水\n\n10\n00:03:31,482 --> 00:04:00,801\n我的水公司包括經濟部部本部你們完全沒想到喔這是趕快用一個淨水器讓大家在這個趕快的只要任何的水下去就過濾了也沒有裡面最基礎的淨水錠也沒有這個過膜酸鉀錠至少也給災區通通沒有所以部長你怎麼看這件事情報告委員您所指摘的部分\n\n11\n00:04:01,405 --> 00:04:13,973\n是我們水利署要跟地方政府共同去處理的事情不是只有我們自來水公司那水公司有所謂這個水韌性的這件事情在規劃嗎\n\n12\n00:04:18,523 --> 00:04:45,254\n那我是不是請自來水公司跟你報告一下你讓水公司來回答我我政府的水韌性部長你有沒有搞錯啊一個電網的韌性都要5400億行政院院長當做當做這個政績在宣傳5400億的電網韌性你現在說一個水韌性所以要謙虛一點沒錯就沒想到就說沒想到這樣的違紀你要重視\n\n13\n00:04:46,514 --> 00:05:15,012\n部長你不認為水韌性這件事情你應該要一定要這是新的東西就算你沒有你說你感到抱歉那我覺得這個確實是這風災當中讓我們忽略了這樣的一個議題所以你要報部本部你讓一個水公司水公司都不夠給我站在這邊給我講水韌性水公司是誰來你敢講水韌性的東西喔那我就要問你囉來來水公司你要講嗎我不回答水公司我最挺水公司了啦我覺得你們可憐啦\n\n14\n00:05:16,345 --> 00:05:32,152\n哪有到現在執行政府的最主要的預算太舊換新的這個水管竟然還在用借錢部長不重視行政院根本也不知道我們的苦楚講任性吧誰任性\n\n15\n00:05:36,708 --> 00:05:52,615\n謝謝委員委員對台水公司確實非常非常的協助也幫忙非常多那我想剛剛委員所指的部分這一次因為是一個颱風的部分我想我知道委員最主要是說當這些比較偏遠山區的部分的\n\n16\n00:05:53,255 --> 00:06:05,642\n大禹跟高佐的部分也希望台水這邊也能盡量的趕快來看有沒有一些過濾的一些快濾的過濾桶也許可能我們做的還不夠那委員這樣的指證我們未來會有如果想辦法把那個移動的過濾桶趕快去來解決讓民眾當下能趕快解決至於這個供水的韌性的部分我想經濟部其實也積極在做做什麼\n\n17\n00:06:17,029 --> 00:06:35,528\n我想我們當然就是一個開發水源跟一個水源的一個區域的調度的部分這個會來做當然沒有錯大概總預算要多少那整個時候執行完電網韌性5400億的電網韌性5400億是有執行有執行業務也有清楚的執行期限的來您說看看\n\n18\n00:06:36,829 --> 00:06:56,043\n委員當然是高度非常夠這個整個供水的韌性確實是一個涵蓋非常廣我真的覺得你真的很有擔當你要來回答本席水熱性的東西部長你放在後面至少水利署要來講話水利署沒有來也不講話部長你不講話部長\n\n19\n00:06:58,064 --> 00:07:24,973\n我真的覺得齁這個一個領導人齁從哪裡可以看出這個領導人的特質跟能力從危機當中看出一個領導人的危機跟能力如果本席點出的這種的韌性也是有平時的水韌性喔也有平時時期的水韌性你怎麼做你在危機時候的水韌性怎麼做城鄉之泉的分布來副總那個您下去吧\n\n20\n00:07:27,315 --> 00:07:55,424\n部長我再給你一個機會你認得水韌性要怎麼說怎麼做呢有電網韌性水韌性要怎麼說呢跟委員抱歉喔水的部分我不是專家所以我沒有辦法回應你的問題沒有辦法回應喔你要不要做什麼改進我們會回去會要求水利署一起來重視委員所指責的這個問題什麼時候提出這個水韌性的這樣的方案是什麼時候\n\n21\n00:07:57,278 --> 00:08:24,051\n我們一個禮拜好了一個禮拜喔好你不要只聽只聽那個副總喔副總我真的覺得你很棒你真的很有承擔但是我覺得你的成績不夠承評時候該有怎麼樣的包括你們太舊歡欣的水管這件事情都應該趕快的列入這個任性裡面甚至你的任性你的電網任性要不要解決你公司的債務這樣你永續經營這都可以考慮喔\n\n22\n00:08:25,692 --> 00:08:52,460\n包括你們對於高廢水高耗水的部分你什麼開源跟節流嘛這都是不是要納入積極的去導入包括災後的時候的這個水韌性當中這部分不應該講的一個禮拜做得出來我覺得很奇怪然後這個東西是你要跟行政院來做來跟你的主計處跟行政院院長這邊是要做溝通的\n\n23\n00:08:53,907 --> 00:09:15,089\n部長我認為我再講一次危機的時候才可以看出一個領導人的一個特質跟能力是不是擔任是不是適合做決策者是不是適合來做我真認為您自己在這個內閣當中的角色其實你應該是要自己重新評估而不是變成\n\n24\n00:09:16,650 --> 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我想我知道委員最主要是說當這些比較偏遠山區的部分的\n353255\t365642\t大禹跟高佐的部分也希望台水這邊也能盡量的趕快來看有沒有一些過濾的一些快濾的過濾桶也許可能我們做的還不夠那委員這樣的指證我們未來會有如果想辦法把那個移動的過濾桶趕快去來解決讓民眾當下能趕快解決至於這個供水的韌性的部分我想經濟部其實也積極在做做什麼\n377029\t395528\t我想我們當然就是一個開發水源跟一個水源的一個區域的調度的部分這個會來做當然沒有錯大概總預算要多少那整個時候執行完電網韌性5400億的電網韌性5400億是有執行有執行業務也有清楚的執行期限的來您說看看\n396829\t416043\t委員當然是高度非常夠 這個整個供水的韌性確實是一個涵蓋非常廣我真的覺得你真的很有擔當你要來回答本席水熱性的東西 部長你放在後面至少水利署要來講話 水利署沒有來也不講話 部長你不講話 部長\n418064\t444973\t我真的覺得齁這個一個領導人齁從哪裡可以看出這個領導人的特質跟能力從危機當中看出一個領導人的危機跟能力如果本席點出的這種的韌性也是有平時的水韌性喔也有平時時期的水韌性你怎麼做你在危機時候的水韌性怎麼做城鄉之泉的分布來副總那個您下去吧\n447315\t475424\t部長我再給你一個機會你認得水韌性要怎麼說怎麼做呢有電網韌性水韌性要怎麼說呢跟委員抱歉喔水的部分我不是專家所以我沒有辦法回應你的問題沒有辦法回應喔你要不要做什麼改進我們會回去會要求水利署一起來重視委員所指責的這個問題什麼時候提出這個水韌性的這樣的方案是什麼時候\n477278\t504051\t我們一個禮拜好了一個禮拜喔好你不要只聽 只聽那個副總喔副總我真的覺得你很棒你真的很有承擔但是我覺得你的成績不夠承評時候該有怎麼樣的包括你們太舊歡欣的水管這件事情都應該趕快的列入這個任性裡面甚至你的任性 你的電網任性要不要解決你公司的債務這樣你永續經營 這都可以考慮喔\n505692\t532460\t包括你們對於高廢水 高耗水的部分你什麼開源跟節流嘛 這都是不是要納入 積極的去導入包括災後的時候的這個水韌性當中這部分不應該講的 一個禮拜做得出來 我覺得很奇怪然後這個東西是你要跟行政院來做來跟你的主計處 跟行政院院長這邊是要做溝通的\n533907\t555089\t部長我認為我再講一次危機的時候才可以看出一個領導人的一個特質跟能力是不是擔任是不是適合做決策者是不是適合來做我真認為您自己在這個內閣當中的角色其實你應該是要自己重新評估而不是變成\n556650\t576923\t是希望你不要再拉垮左內閣的整個的民調也最重要的是對於我們災民讓災民有感是一個有溫度有靠山的政府好以上謝謝謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝等一下那個蕭副總那個一個禮拜是只有那個\n","txt":"有請部長郭部長委員好\n來 部長您風災過後您到我高雄的重災區山區南馬俠桃園茂林走過\n到目前还没有还没有但您跟我你没有到我高雄的重灾区那您到高雄这边可能问过全国老百姓大概印象最深刻的就是您跟我们中小企业组的座谈发声的邀请我们中小企业组投资这个美国4000亿的举例以云之后呢经济部呢花了两天的时间说明\n那我為什麼提到重災區呢我本席非常的不滿我看到您通篇的報告您說您去了嘉義去了台南這還是你們的訪視團訪問團喔有到台北有到嘉義市這個台南嘉義就沒有到我高雄的重災區您知道高雄的重災區呀這三區發生了什麼事情呢來這個新聞\n颱風過後 喝山泉水 喝到沒命 高雄風災 山人懶 類比取往這個類比取啊 死亡率45%到75%所以說呢 也就是說 你對於山區 重災區之後道路中斷水跟電完全沒有 斷水斷電\n電你們從以前到現在都有講到電韌性花了將近4000到5000多億來做電網韌性所以到山區啊大概台電也都知道我趕快要布建這個微電網都已經有這個政策的預算而這將近5000億的電韌性是誰給的不是你不本不給的是行政院重視行政院給的錢那水韌性呢\n部長這個我完全沒有看到經濟部部本部你水電的任性你是主責機關欸是經濟部對於水電任性你是規劃但你們沒有\n這不是台水跟台浚的工作而且包括這個台水本身他最主要的工作是什麼他只做漏 他只做防漏然後呢這個汰換水管那汰換水管的錢到現在他都得借錢你們喔 這了不起啦齁在王美花部長這邊啊 捐取了80億分4年給1年20億都不夠20億放在我高雄都不夠\n所以呢在這個水韌性當中你看我們福倫社都還會趕快的去捐這個災區喔仿山鄉屏東兩部淨水器一部淨水器重達2到3公斤輕輕的而且也不用電大概花台幣10萬塊那他送兩部可以一部可以過濾20萬公升的飲用水\n我的水公司包括經濟部 部本部你們完全沒想到喔這是趕快用一個淨水器讓大家在這個趕快的只要任何的水下去就過濾了 也沒有裡面最基礎的淨水錠也沒有這個過膜酸鉀錠至少也給災區通通沒有所以部長你怎麼看這件事情報告委員 您所指摘的部分\n是我們水利署要跟地方政府共同去處理的事情不是只有我們自來水公司那水公司有所謂這個水韌性的這件事情在規劃嗎\n那我是不是請自來水公司跟你報告一下你讓水公司來回答我我政府的水韌性部長你有沒有搞錯啊一個電網的韌性都要5400億行政院院長當做當做這個政績在宣傳5400億的電網韌性你現在說一個水韌性所以要謙虛一點沒錯就沒想到就說沒想到這樣的違紀你要重視\n部長你不認為水韌性這件事情你應該要一定要這是新的東西 就算你沒有 你說你感到抱歉那我覺得這個確實是這風災當中讓我們忽略了這樣的一個議題所以你要報部本部你讓一個水公司 水公司都不夠給我站在這邊 給我講水韌性水公司是誰來 你敢講水韌性的東西喔 那我就要問你囉來 來 水公司你要講嗎我不回答水公司 我最挺水公司了啦我覺得你們可憐啦\n哪有到現在執行政府的最主要的預算太舊換新的這個水管竟然還在用借錢部長不重視行政院根本也不知道我們的苦楚講任性吧 誰任性\n謝謝委員 委員對台水公司確實非常非常的協助也幫忙非常多 那我想剛剛委員所指的部分這一次因為是一個颱風的部分 我想我知道委員最主要是說當這些比較偏遠山區的部分的\n大禹跟高佐的部分也希望台水這邊也能盡量的趕快來看有沒有一些過濾的一些快濾的過濾桶也許可能我們做的還不夠那委員這樣的指證我們未來會有如果想辦法把那個移動的過濾桶趕快去來解決讓民眾當下能趕快解決至於這個供水的韌性的部分我想經濟部其實也積極在做做什麼\n我想我們當然就是一個開發水源跟一個水源的一個區域的調度的部分這個會來做當然沒有錯大概總預算要多少那整個時候執行完電網韌性5400億的電網韌性5400億是有執行有執行業務也有清楚的執行期限的來您說看看\n委員當然是高度非常夠 這個整個供水的韌性確實是一個涵蓋非常廣我真的覺得你真的很有擔當你要來回答本席水熱性的東西 部長你放在後面至少水利署要來講話 水利署沒有來也不講話 部長你不講話 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