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00:00:10,507\n謝謝主席還有謝謝官員我們請洪部長有請洪部長陳委員早部長早因為這次蠻多委員是關心這樣子的議題因為內閣據說8月25號會改組所以也想請教洪部長未來還有機會可以在這邊繼續質詢你嗎想就是政務官的去留不是我自己決定的是是長官決定的所以\n\n2\n00:00:37,777 --> 00:01:01,608\n我沒有辦法回答你這個問題這個是當時您上任的時候卓院長給了您三個任務那我剛剛當然聽了很多這個您跟陳肇之委員的質詢在這邊我也想問您剛好講您發這篇文章有它的正當性還有您在意的事情不過當然外界有認為你在726大罷免的前夕\n\n3\n00:01:02,088 --> 00:01:30,178\n似乎是行政不太中立並且逾越了勞動部長的本分因為當初卓院長找您來也是希望您做全民的部長那如果你覺得整個都沒毛病的話請問你後來說有補請假的原因是什麼呢因為在一般勞工的認定中補請假大部分是小朋友健康有點問題要趕快去學校接或者是自身的家庭問題等等這是很急迫的狀況\n\n4\n00:01:31,159 --> 00:01:34,672\n那因為發了一篇文章所以之後才補請假的原因是什麼\n\n5\n00:01:36,960 --> 00:02:03,392\n那個像我們當天沒有說補請假我想我還是要再重申一次其實當天我這個發文的表達在表達的事情就是因為當時大家都很關心這個免巴士量表的問題那我們在當初要表決前其實的那場超級協商其實我們是帶了我覺得我們覺得相對是可以減緩可能會對重症帶來衝擊的那個方案希望到\n\n6\n00:02:05,113 --> 00:02:25,708\n這個協商的現場來跟草野的委員來討論也許我們有一些更好的方法一樣可以滿足一些長者的需求但是對可能的衝擊可以減少的方法我們其實是帶著這樣子一個方案但是這個距離當時三獨或是協商其實這個時間點是過滿久的啦我不曉得你身為一個行政中立的部長我不知道你認為這個時機點\n\n7\n00:02:27,389 --> 00:02:53,441\n合不合適為什麼十幾點我只要講的原因是因為當時其實就是在這個修法要生效前有一段大概有兩個禮拜的時間因為陸陸續續在媒體上面有報導有一些長者他重症的長者他遇到這個看護工可能不想要待想要轉走轉出的報導那一段時間裡面在媒體上面在社群媒體上這樣子的聲音很多\n\n8\n00:02:54,241 --> 00:03:06,850\n所以當時我才在跟才向大家報告說其實當初在三讀前其實有當時有一個原本是韓院長要這個要來召集的草野協商我們是帶著這樣子的方案準備到現場結果草野協商跳過了\n\n9\n00:03:09,952 --> 00:03:34,278\n八四兩表的輿論很多所以你發了這篇文我們事後再來看看他輿論的這個流量是不是在你發文的時候多不過在這邊也稍微提醒你也稍微提醒你如果你8月23號以前還要發文的話可以利用下班時間這樣子爭議比較少那再來這也是其他人呢有在意的你看一下現在你還在中常委的名單上面不會覺得很奇怪嗎\n\n10\n00:03:35,078 --> 00:03:48,479\n因為第二個任務他就是希望您建立一個友善健全的職場這是卓院長給您的任務向委員報告在我到勞動部工作以後基本上我從來就在沒有去開過中場會\n\n11\n00:03:50,382 --> 00:04:11,688\n就是針對跟黨執就跟黨執有關的執行就再也沒有那我們看看我們看看別人這個蘇志芬之前在擔任續產會董座以後就立刻請辭中常委我不太懂如果你不以身作則來以身示範要怎麼樣帶領勞動部的全體員工做到行政中立\n\n12\n00:04:12,421 --> 00:04:36,690\n總之我是跟委員說明說在去年的應該是11月底我到勞動部以後我就沒有再去做任何跟黨職有關這個權力上面的行使包括會議我想我們都沒有去出席了沒關係因為一般人民對於請辭或者是長期請假的看法大家還是覺得有一個落差\n\n13\n00:04:38,946 --> 00:05:06,978\n但如果你想做這樣子的選擇那就做這樣子的選擇這個是全台灣非常多球迷很關心我們上次也做了很多討論今年5月我們就說您會來協助他們做團體協約的簽訂那我想問一下到現在已經8月了不知道進度如何呢因為後來您也很友善的發文給我說會去拜會職棒公會然後把一些妹妹都跟球員公會來做分享\n\n14\n00:05:09,471 --> 00:05:31,545\n跟我也報告之前新的理事長就任的時候我們都有去出席那也代表老東部跟理事長有這個上次都講過了你們有去記者會我們也跟工會有提到就是說如果有需要開始談團體協商的時候可以跟我們聯繫我們有專家可以協助那有可能因為他們現在事務比較繁忙那我們會再主動再來跟他們溝通\n\n15\n00:05:32,446 --> 00:05:45,511\n好所以你近期內大概多久以內會主動跟他們接洽因為現在許多球員他們在意的是這個洪部長一定也很關心啦明年1月我們又有新的經典賽嘛但是他們對於明年這個出場的賽事出場費齁這個談定的\n\n16\n00:05:50,374 --> 00:06:03,693\n價錢已經是非常非常久以前的行情了大概三四年前的行情那現在球員們他們也很在意勞資關係小組啊肖像權的保障啊等等的那我們會期待您也可以運用您的影響力\n\n17\n00:06:05,315 --> 00:06:28,452\n我們其實部裡面一直很鼓勵這個工會跟企業來簽訂團體協約那如果有機會的話我想我可以再請再發文一次甚至不是發文我覺得更主動的直接聯繫只要任何幫得上忙的地方我們都願意來盡量去促成工會跟企業來簽團體協約我們會盡我們所有可以做的努力\n\n18\n00:06:28,832 --> 00:06:52,200\n因為明年1月也是許多球迷關心的賽事所以同步他們也關心這樣子的議題我們期待可以看到部長有一些協助的地方再來這個是上次也跟部長問過的勞動部開放橋外畢業生留台工作那在旅宿業的申請人數上次我跟您質詢的時候僅有一人申請也想知道現在是幾人了\n\n19\n00:06:55,366 --> 00:07:15,455\n還是一人好像是我們也比較了勞動部跟交通部觀光署推出的一個觀光旅遊業以及旅遊業申請外國籍學生來中華民國實習的要點當時喔不到半年申請人數突破千人我現在跟您更新一下你當時一人現在一人人家現在是1500件申請\n\n20\n00:07:18,917 --> 00:07:33,293\n那另外我也有聽說勞動部跟交通部有想要再開放第二個產業這個您知道是哪一個產業嗎你講的第二個產業對除了旅宿業以外第二個產業他們想再開放實習要點\n\n21\n00:07:41,380 --> 00:08:02,690\n我想這還在評估中所以你們其實有開會嗎也不是我們其實包括我們其實也有跟交通部在討論比方說大家針對實習的問題的一些如果有涉及勞動權益的部分我們跟交通部會有再交換意見我獲得的資訊是貨運業貨運業你有知道這樣子的事嗎交通部有跟你討論嗎委員的資訊可能要再確認就是\n\n22\n00:08:10,376 --> 00:08:37,272\n沒有還沒有好但缺工的確是一個事實我們只是希望跟你討論是不是有更健全更完整配套的實習生來補來彌補這個缺工我們來比較一下這個左邊是您勞動部的移工留才久用方案開放對象這個你很熟了在台工作滿6年以上或是取得我國副學士以上學位的僑外生右邊是現在交通部可能有找你一起討論的實習要點來看\n\n23\n00:08:39,753 --> 00:09:07,341\n他們來台許可期間不能超過他自己就讀學程的二分之一就最多一半比如說他這個在當國的學程是四年他在台灣兩年申請一次違憲那現在做個兩三年交通部剛剛他們就希望他可以繼續留在台灣擔任技術人力這個跟你們原本的移工留才久用方案似乎原則差距非常的大\n\n24\n00:09:08,226 --> 00:09:32,941\n跟委員說明因為實習的部分的確跟這個因為移工留才久用是針對技術人力的部分那技術人力是工作那實習的確跟工作的性質還是不太一樣的所以有點難直接拿來這樣類比但我們的確不裡面現在我們針對整體的跨國勞動力的政策我們都希望能夠擴大這個技術人力的\n\n25\n00:09:33,962 --> 00:09:54,355\n流用因為現在產業上面其實對於技術人力是很欠缺就是剛剛委員說到說我們其實對產業的各種職缺的調查裡面很清楚看到大家對技術人力的缺乏所以我們現在一些政策的規劃也希望讓未來的跨國勞動力的部分能夠更\n\n26\n00:09:56,124 --> 00:10:15,057\n往技術能力的方向來走來去供應給我們的產業產業的發展的需求但我也是站在您的立場因為您是要關心本勞嘛短期內當然這些方案有可能可以舒緩缺口可是長期它也可能會壓低我們本勞的溢價能力讓這個\n\n27\n00:10:16,818 --> 00:10:44,570\n有一個惡性循環所以我們在跨國勞動力的政策的開放裡面其實我們也很多次表達我們有幾個最重要的原則第一個不希望影響本勞的就業機會甚至我們還希望是不是能夠有機會透過跨國勞動力的政策來拉高本土勞工的勞動條件甚至薪資我這邊這都是我們其實希望設定的政策的目標\n\n28\n00:10:45,330 --> 00:10:59,546\n我這邊提供您一些其他國家的做法看您下次是否跨部門的會議的時候可以拿出來講我們當然你講到實習跟他實際在這邊做事情不太一樣如果我們讓實習要變得有意義的\n\n29\n00:11:00,287 --> 00:11:26,609\n比如說日本之前他也想利用實習的研修生制度來彌補勞工的缺口但因為沒有保障最後他們有去做調整比如說透過合法的中階技術人力制度來要求通過一定的證照或者是要達到日檢日檢日文的檢定還有專門性的技術考試合格等等的才可以讓這些實習生繼續留下來當作技術人力\n\n30\n00:11:26,909 --> 00:11:49,529\n跟委員說明他們在講的實習生他們其實指的是那個工作實習我們現在講實習生比較是從學校出發的實習其實是有點不同但是我們的確這樣的想法還是可以把它加入的確我們其實現在在很多技術人力的政策上面我們的確是在參考也參考日本的政策所以剛剛在講到是說他們的研修生或者是現在的育成\n\n31\n00:11:51,397 --> 00:12:16,957\n遇城就牢的做法其實都是我們現在在做政策規劃的時候我們其實有在參考的案例就國家的案例這一個我們以後會再後續跟您追走剛剛大家已經聽到您回答從現在8月1號開始申請是1450人嗎就是免84量表加上70到79歲的癌症二期以上\n\n32\n00:12:17,957 --> 00:12:46,505\n8月17號等下會有非常多委員問所以我這邊不多做琢磨可是我會希望我們是不是今年年底就這個計畫運行了半年左右可以去提交一個政策實行的檢討報告因為可能到了年底或者是半年我們這邊所有的委員我也會想要知道你真正申請的件數是多少你輕症跟重症如何分流那你怎麼輕症重症的比例等等那是不是要做一個政策檢討\n\n33\n00:12:47,245 --> 00:13:01,233\n沒有問題我們一定這個是我們願意提供好最後有一個小的問題因為最近我們收到行政院來提追加預算那勞動部每年都會固定編列一個是表揚全國模範勞工選拔然後會辦在勞動節5月1號穩定在500萬的規模比如說111年526536531等等每一年大概就在這個範圍的上下\n\n34\n00:13:12,239 --> 00:13:34,884\n那這個預算我們去年就通過啦並且你今年5月1號也辦完活動雖然辦活動那天很尷尬超過5000位的勞工走上街頭抗議賴政府抗議洪部長可是這個活動就辦完了但是現在送進來的追加預算又有228萬裡面又寫到說你要去辦模範勞工的選拔跟表揚我想問是為什麼呢我圈起來在中間的下面\n\n35\n00:13:41,728 --> 00:13:58,257\n跟委員報告這裡面不是說特別是追加我們另外還有這個獎補助還有包括一些對我們勞工的每一個模範勞工的我們有一個獎勵金還有一個補助他到補助全國性工會去辦理五一表達會\n\n36\n00:13:59,458 --> 00:14:20,812\n等於說不是我們光我們自己辦全國性的公會他辦模範勞工表揚我們有適度的去補助因為是全國性的公會你是說今年5月1號辦完了之後你還要再補助其他的表揚嗎對就因為我們全台灣這個全國性的公會有10個左右然後他們辦表揚大會的時候我們有助於補助一些金額\n\n37\n00:14:22,089 --> 00:14:39,488\n那之前好幾年我看了好幾年的預算為什麼沒有這樣子追加表這個每年都有這個補助每年都有好那我會再跟您要這個追加228萬的完整支出規劃用書面報告送過來好嗎謝謝好\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7106\t10507\t謝謝主席還有謝謝官員我們請洪部長有請洪部長陳委員早部長早因為這次蠻多委員是關心這樣子的議題因為內閣據說8月25號會改組所以也想請教洪部長未來還有機會可以在這邊繼續質詢你嗎想就是政務官的去留不是我自己決定的是是長官決定的所以\n37777\t61608\t我沒有辦法回答你這個問題這個是當時您上任的時候卓院長給了您三個任務那我剛剛當然聽了很多這個您跟陳肇之委員的質詢在這邊我也想問您剛好講您發這篇文章有它的正當性還有您在意的事情不過當然外界有認為你在726大罷免的前夕\n62088\t90178\t似乎是行政不太中立並且逾越了勞動部長的本分因為當初卓院長找您來也是希望您做全民的部長那如果你覺得整個都沒毛病的話請問你後來說有補請假的原因是什麼呢因為在一般勞工的認定中補請假大部分是小朋友健康有點問題要趕快去學校接或者是自身的家庭問題等等這是很急迫的狀況\n91159\t94672\t那因為發了一篇文章所以之後才補請假的原因是什麼\n96960\t123392\t那個像我們當天沒有說補請假我想我還是要再重申一次其實當天我這個發文的表達在表達的事情就是因為當時大家都很關心這個免巴士量表的問題那我們在當初要表決前其實的那場超級協商其實我們是帶了我覺得我們覺得相對是可以減緩可能會對重症帶來衝擊的那個方案希望到\n125113\t145708\t這個協商的現場來跟草野的委員來討論也許我們有一些更好的方法一樣可以滿足一些長者的需求但是對可能的衝擊可以減少的方法我們其實是帶著這樣子一個方案但是這個距離當時三獨或是協商其實這個時間點是過滿久的啦我不曉得你身為一個行政中立的部長我不知道你認為這個時機點\n147389\t173441\t合不合適為什麼十幾點我只要講的原因是因為當時其實就是在這個修法要生效前有一段大概有兩個禮拜的時間因為陸陸續續在媒體上面有報導有一些長者他重症的長者他遇到這個看護工可能不想要待想要轉走轉出的報導那一段時間裡面在媒體上面在社群媒體上這樣子的聲音很多\n174241\t186850\t所以當時我才在跟 才向大家報告說其實當初在三讀前其實有當時有一個原本是韓院長要這個要來召集的草野協商我們是帶著這樣子的方案準備到現場結果草野協商跳過了\n189952\t214278\t八四兩表的輿論很多所以你發了這篇文我們事後再來看看他輿論的這個流量是不是在你發文的時候多不過在這邊也稍微提醒你也稍微提醒你如果你8月23號以前還要發文的話可以利用下班時間這樣子爭議比較少那再來這也是其他人呢有在意的你看一下現在你還在中常委的名單上面不會覺得很奇怪嗎\n215078\t228479\t因為第二個任務他就是希望您建立一個友善健全的職場這是卓院長給您的任務向委員報告在我到勞動部工作以後基本上我從來就在沒有去開過中場會\n230382\t251688\t就是針對跟黨執 就跟黨執有關的執行就再也沒有 那我們看看我們看看別人這個蘇志芬之前在擔任續產會董座以後就立刻請辭中常委我不太懂如果你不以身作則來以身示範要怎麼樣帶領勞動部的全體員工做到行政中立\n252421\t276690\t總之我是跟委員說明說在去年的應該是11月底我到勞動部以後我就沒有再去做任何跟黨職有關這個權力上面的行使包括會議我想我們都沒有去出席了沒關係因為一般人民對於請辭或者是長期請假的看法大家還是覺得有一個落差\n278946\t306978\t但如果你想做這樣子的選擇那就做這樣子的選擇這個是全台灣非常多球迷很關心我們上次也做了很多討論今年5月我們就說您會來協助他們做團體協約的簽訂那我想問一下到現在已經8月了不知道進度如何呢因為後來您也很友善的發文給我說會去拜會職棒公會然後把一些妹妹都跟球員公會來做分享\n309471\t331545\t跟我也報告之前新的理事長就任的時候我們都有去出席那也代表老東部跟理事長有 這個上次都講過了你們有去記者會我們也跟工會有提到就是說如果有需要開始談團體協商的時候可以跟我們聯繫我們有專家可以協助那有可能因為他們現在事務比較繁忙那我們會再主動再來跟他們溝通\n332446\t345511\t好所以你近期內大概多久以內會主動跟他們接洽因為現在許多球員他們在意的是這個洪部長一定也很關心啦明年1月我們又有新的經典賽嘛但是他們對於明年這個出場的賽事出場費齁這個談定的\n350374\t363693\t價錢已經是非常非常久以前的行情了大概三四年前的行情那現在球員們他們也很在意勞資關係小組啊肖像權的保障啊等等的那我們會期待您也可以運用您的影響力\n365315\t388452\t我們其實部裡面一直很鼓勵這個工會跟企業來簽訂團體協約那如果有機會的話我想我可以再請再發文一次甚至不是發文我覺得更主動的直接聯繫只要任何幫得上忙的地方我們都願意來盡量去促成工會跟企業來簽團體協約我們會盡我們所有可以做的努力\n388832\t412200\t因為明年1月也是許多球迷關心的賽事所以同步他們也關心這樣子的議題我們期待可以看到部長有一些協助的地方再來這個是上次也跟部長問過的勞動部開放橋外畢業生留台工作那在旅宿業的申請人數上次我跟您質詢的時候僅有一人申請也想知道現在是幾人了\n415366\t435455\t還是一人 好像是我們也比較了勞動部跟交通部觀光署推出的一個觀光旅遊業以及旅遊業申請外國籍學生來中華民國實習的要點當時喔不到半年申請人數突破千人我現在跟您更新一下你當時一人現在一人人家現在是1500件申請\n438917\t453293\t那另外我也有聽說勞動部跟交通部有想要再開放第二個產業這個您知道是哪一個產業嗎你講的第二個產業對 除了旅宿業以外第二個產業他們想再開放實習要點\n461380\t482690\t我想這還在評估中所以你們其實有開會嗎也不是 我們其實包括我們其實也有跟交通部在討論比方說大家針對實習的問題的一些如果有涉及勞動權益的部分我們跟交通部會有再交換意見我獲得的資訊是貨運業貨運業 你有知道這樣子的事嗎交通部有跟你討論嗎委員的資訊可能要再確認就是\n490376\t517272\t沒有還沒有好但缺工的確是一個事實我們只是希望跟你討論是不是有更健全更完整配套的實習生來補來彌補這個缺工我們來比較一下這個左邊是您勞動部的移工留才久用方案開放對象這個你很熟了在台工作滿6年以上或是取得我國副學士以上學位的僑外生右邊是現在交通部可能有找你一起討論的實習要點來看\n519753\t547341\t他們來台許可期間不能超過他自己就讀學程的二分之一就最多一半比如說他這個在當國的學程是四年他在台灣兩年申請一次違憲那現在做個兩三年交通部剛剛他們就希望他可以繼續留在台灣擔任技術人力這個跟你們原本的移工留才久用方案似乎原則差距非常的大\n548226\t572941\t跟委員說明因為實習的部分的確跟這個因為移工留才久用是針對技術人力的部分那技術人力是工作那實習的確跟工作的性質還是不太一樣的所以有點難直接拿來這樣類比但我們的確不裡面現在我們針對整體的跨國勞動力的政策我們都希望能夠擴大這個技術人力的\n573962\t594355\t流用 因為現在產業上面其實對於技術人力是很欠缺 就是剛剛委員說到說我們其實對產業的各種職缺的調查裡面很清楚看到大家對技術人力的缺乏所以我們現在一些政策的規劃也希望讓未來的跨國勞動力的部分能夠更\n596124\t615057\t往技術能力的方向來走來去供應給我們的產業產業的發展的需求但我也是站在您的立場因為您是要關心本勞嘛短期內當然這些方案有可能可以舒緩缺口可是長期它也可能會壓低我們本勞的溢價能力讓這個\n616818\t644570\t有一個惡性循環所以我們在跨國勞動力的政策的開放裡面其實我們也很多次表達我們有幾個最重要的原則第一個不希望影響本勞的就業機會甚至我們還希望是不是能夠有機會透過跨國勞動力的政策來拉高本土勞工的勞動條件甚至薪資我這邊這都是我們其實希望設定的政策的目標\n645330\t659546\t我這邊提供您一些其他國家的做法看您下次是否跨部門的會議的時候可以拿出來講我們當然你講到實習跟他實際在這邊做事情不太一樣如果我們讓實習要變得有意義的\n660287\t686609\t比如說日本之前他也想利用實習的研修生制度來彌補勞工的缺口但因為沒有保障最後他們有去做調整比如說透過合法的中階技術人力制度來要求通過一定的證照或者是要達到日檢日檢日文的檢定還有專門性的技術考試合格等等的才可以讓這些實習生繼續留下來當作技術人力\n686909\t709529\t跟委員說明他們在講的實習生他們其實指的是那個工作實習我們現在講實習生比較是從學校出發的實習其實是有點不同但是我們的確這樣的想法還是可以把它加入的確我們其實現在在很多技術人力的政策上面我們的確是在參考也參考日本的政策所以剛剛在講到是說他們的研修生或者是現在的育成\n711397\t736957\t遇城就牢的做法其實都是我們現在在做政策規劃的時候我們其實有在參考的案例就國家的案例這一個我們以後會再後續跟您追走剛剛大家已經聽到您回答從現在8月1號開始申請是1450人嗎就是免84量表加上70到79歲的癌症二期以上\n737957\t766505\t8月17號等下會有非常多委員問所以我這邊不多做琢磨可是我會希望我們是不是今年年底就這個計畫運行了半年左右可以去提交一個政策實行的檢討報告因為可能到了年底或者是半年我們這邊所有的委員我也會想要知道你真正申請的件數是多少你輕症跟重症如何分流那你怎麼輕症重症的比例等等那是不是要做一個政策檢討\n767245\t781233\t沒有問題 我們一定 這個是我們願意提供好 最後有一個小的問題因為最近我們收到行政院來提追加預算那勞動部每年都會固定編列一個是表揚全國模範勞工選拔然後會辦在勞動節5月1號 穩定在500萬的規模比如說111年526 536 531等等每一年大概就在這個範圍的上下\n792239\t814884\t那這個預算我們去年就通過啦並且你今年5月1號也辦完活動雖然辦活動那天很尷尬超過5000位的勞工走上街頭抗議賴政府 抗議洪部長可是這個活動就辦完了但是現在送進來的追加預算又有228萬裡面又寫到說你要去辦模範勞工的選拔跟表揚我想問是為什麼呢我圈起來在中間的下面\n821728\t838257\t跟委員報告這裡面不是說特別是追加我們另外還有這個獎補助還有包括一些對我們勞工的每一個模範勞工的我們有一個獎勵金還有一個補助他到補助全國性工會去辦理五一表達會\n839458\t860812\t等於說不是我們 光我們自己辦全國性的公會他辦模範勞工表揚我們有適度的去補助因為是全國性的公會你是說今年5月1號辦完了之後你還要再補助其他的表揚嗎對 就因為我們全台灣這個全國性的公會有10個左右然後他們辦表揚大會的時候我們有助於補助一些金額\n862089\t879488\t那之前好幾年我看了好幾年的預算為什麼沒有這樣子追加表這個每年都有這個補助每年都有好那我會再跟您要這個追加228萬的完整支出規劃用書面報告送過來好嗎謝謝好\n","txt":"謝謝主席還有謝謝官員我們請洪部長有請洪部長陳委員早部長早因為這次蠻多委員是關心這樣子的議題因為內閣據說8月25號會改組所以也想請教洪部長未來還有機會可以在這邊繼續質詢你嗎想就是政務官的去留不是我自己決定的是是長官決定的所以\n我沒有辦法回答你這個問題這個是當時您上任的時候卓院長給了您三個任務那我剛剛當然聽了很多這個您跟陳肇之委員的質詢在這邊我也想問您剛好講您發這篇文章有它的正當性還有您在意的事情不過當然外界有認為你在726大罷免的前夕\n似乎是行政不太中立並且逾越了勞動部長的本分因為當初卓院長找您來也是希望您做全民的部長那如果你覺得整個都沒毛病的話請問你後來說有補請假的原因是什麼呢因為在一般勞工的認定中補請假大部分是小朋友健康有點問題要趕快去學校接或者是自身的家庭問題等等這是很急迫的狀況\n那因為發了一篇文章所以之後才補請假的原因是什麼\n那個像我們當天沒有說補請假我想我還是要再重申一次其實當天我這個發文的表達在表達的事情就是因為當時大家都很關心這個免巴士量表的問題那我們在當初要表決前其實的那場超級協商其實我們是帶了我覺得我們覺得相對是可以減緩可能會對重症帶來衝擊的那個方案希望到\n這個協商的現場來跟草野的委員來討論也許我們有一些更好的方法一樣可以滿足一些長者的需求但是對可能的衝擊可以減少的方法我們其實是帶著這樣子一個方案但是這個距離當時三獨或是協商其實這個時間點是過滿久的啦我不曉得你身為一個行政中立的部長我不知道你認為這個時機點\n合不合適為什麼十幾點我只要講的原因是因為當時其實就是在這個修法要生效前有一段大概有兩個禮拜的時間因為陸陸續續在媒體上面有報導有一些長者他重症的長者他遇到這個看護工可能不想要待想要轉走轉出的報導那一段時間裡面在媒體上面在社群媒體上這樣子的聲音很多\n所以當時我才在跟 才向大家報告說其實當初在三讀前其實有當時有一個原本是韓院長要這個要來召集的草野協商我們是帶著這樣子的方案準備到現場結果草野協商跳過了\n八四兩表的輿論很多所以你發了這篇文我們事後再來看看他輿論的這個流量是不是在你發文的時候多不過在這邊也稍微提醒你也稍微提醒你如果你8月23號以前還要發文的話可以利用下班時間這樣子爭議比較少那再來這也是其他人呢有在意的你看一下現在你還在中常委的名單上面不會覺得很奇怪嗎\n因為第二個任務他就是希望您建立一個友善健全的職場這是卓院長給您的任務向委員報告在我到勞動部工作以後基本上我從來就在沒有去開過中場會\n就是針對跟黨執 就跟黨執有關的執行就再也沒有 那我們看看我們看看別人這個蘇志芬之前在擔任續產會董座以後就立刻請辭中常委我不太懂如果你不以身作則來以身示範要怎麼樣帶領勞動部的全體員工做到行政中立\n總之我是跟委員說明說在去年的應該是11月底我到勞動部以後我就沒有再去做任何跟黨職有關這個權力上面的行使包括會議我想我們都沒有去出席了沒關係因為一般人民對於請辭或者是長期請假的看法大家還是覺得有一個落差\n但如果你想做這樣子的選擇那就做這樣子的選擇這個是全台灣非常多球迷很關心我們上次也做了很多討論今年5月我們就說您會來協助他們做團體協約的簽訂那我想問一下到現在已經8月了不知道進度如何呢因為後來您也很友善的發文給我說會去拜會職棒公會然後把一些妹妹都跟球員公會來做分享\n跟我也報告之前新的理事長就任的時候我們都有去出席那也代表老東部跟理事長有 這個上次都講過了你們有去記者會我們也跟工會有提到就是說如果有需要開始談團體協商的時候可以跟我們聯繫我們有專家可以協助那有可能因為他們現在事務比較繁忙那我們會再主動再來跟他們溝通\n好所以你近期內大概多久以內會主動跟他們接洽因為現在許多球員他們在意的是這個洪部長一定也很關心啦明年1月我們又有新的經典賽嘛但是他們對於明年這個出場的賽事出場費齁這個談定的\n價錢已經是非常非常久以前的行情了大概三四年前的行情那現在球員們他們也很在意勞資關係小組啊肖像權的保障啊等等的那我們會期待您也可以運用您的影響力\n我們其實部裡面一直很鼓勵這個工會跟企業來簽訂團體協約那如果有機會的話我想我可以再請再發文一次甚至不是發文我覺得更主動的直接聯繫只要任何幫得上忙的地方我們都願意來盡量去促成工會跟企業來簽團體協約我們會盡我們所有可以做的努力\n因為明年1月也是許多球迷關心的賽事所以同步他們也關心這樣子的議題我們期待可以看到部長有一些協助的地方再來這個是上次也跟部長問過的勞動部開放橋外畢業生留台工作那在旅宿業的申請人數上次我跟您質詢的時候僅有一人申請也想知道現在是幾人了\n還是一人 好像是我們也比較了勞動部跟交通部觀光署推出的一個觀光旅遊業以及旅遊業申請外國籍學生來中華民國實習的要點當時喔不到半年申請人數突破千人我現在跟您更新一下你當時一人現在一人人家現在是1500件申請\n那另外我也有聽說勞動部跟交通部有想要再開放第二個產業這個您知道是哪一個產業嗎你講的第二個產業對 除了旅宿業以外第二個產業他們想再開放實習要點\n我想這還在評估中所以你們其實有開會嗎也不是 我們其實包括我們其實也有跟交通部在討論比方說大家針對實習的問題的一些如果有涉及勞動權益的部分我們跟交通部會有再交換意見我獲得的資訊是貨運業貨運業 你有知道這樣子的事嗎交通部有跟你討論嗎委員的資訊可能要再確認就是\n沒有還沒有好但缺工的確是一個事實我們只是希望跟你討論是不是有更健全更完整配套的實習生來補來彌補這個缺工我們來比較一下這個左邊是您勞動部的移工留才久用方案開放對象這個你很熟了在台工作滿6年以上或是取得我國副學士以上學位的僑外生右邊是現在交通部可能有找你一起討論的實習要點來看\n他們來台許可期間不能超過他自己就讀學程的二分之一就最多一半比如說他這個在當國的學程是四年他在台灣兩年申請一次違憲那現在做個兩三年交通部剛剛他們就希望他可以繼續留在台灣擔任技術人力這個跟你們原本的移工留才久用方案似乎原則差距非常的大\n跟委員說明因為實習的部分的確跟這個因為移工留才久用是針對技術人力的部分那技術人力是工作那實習的確跟工作的性質還是不太一樣的所以有點難直接拿來這樣類比但我們的確不裡面現在我們針對整體的跨國勞動力的政策我們都希望能夠擴大這個技術人力的\n流用 因為現在產業上面其實對於技術人力是很欠缺 就是剛剛委員說到說我們其實對產業的各種職缺的調查裡面很清楚看到大家對技術人力的缺乏所以我們現在一些政策的規劃也希望讓未來的跨國勞動力的部分能夠更\n往技術能力的方向來走來去供應給我們的產業產業的發展的需求但我也是站在您的立場因為您是要關心本勞嘛短期內當然這些方案有可能可以舒緩缺口可是長期它也可能會壓低我們本勞的溢價能力讓這個\n有一個惡性循環所以我們在跨國勞動力的政策的開放裡面其實我們也很多次表達我們有幾個最重要的原則第一個不希望影響本勞的就業機會甚至我們還希望是不是能夠有機會透過跨國勞動力的政策來拉高本土勞工的勞動條件甚至薪資我這邊這都是我們其實希望設定的政策的目標\n我這邊提供您一些其他國家的做法看您下次是否跨部門的會議的時候可以拿出來講我們當然你講到實習跟他實際在這邊做事情不太一樣如果我們讓實習要變得有意義的\n比如說日本之前他也想利用實習的研修生制度來彌補勞工的缺口但因為沒有保障最後他們有去做調整比如說透過合法的中階技術人力制度來要求通過一定的證照或者是要達到日檢日檢日文的檢定還有專門性的技術考試合格等等的才可以讓這些實習生繼續留下來當作技術人力\n跟委員說明他們在講的實習生他們其實指的是那個工作實習我們現在講實習生比較是從學校出發的實習其實是有點不同但是我們的確這樣的想法還是可以把它加入的確我們其實現在在很多技術人力的政策上面我們的確是在參考也參考日本的政策所以剛剛在講到是說他們的研修生或者是現在的育成\n遇城就牢的做法其實都是我們現在在做政策規劃的時候我們其實有在參考的案例就國家的案例這一個我們以後會再後續跟您追走剛剛大家已經聽到您回答從現在8月1號開始申請是1450人嗎就是免84量表加上70到79歲的癌症二期以上\n8月17號等下會有非常多委員問所以我這邊不多做琢磨可是我會希望我們是不是今年年底就這個計畫運行了半年左右可以去提交一個政策實行的檢討報告因為可能到了年底或者是半年我們這邊所有的委員我也會想要知道你真正申請的件數是多少你輕症跟重症如何分流那你怎麼輕症重症的比例等等那是不是要做一個政策檢討\n沒有問題 我們一定 這個是我們願意提供好 最後有一個小的問題因為最近我們收到行政院來提追加預算那勞動部每年都會固定編列一個是表揚全國模範勞工選拔然後會辦在勞動節5月1號 穩定在500萬的規模比如說111年526 536 531等等每一年大概就在這個範圍的上下\n那這個預算我們去年就通過啦並且你今年5月1號也辦完活動雖然辦活動那天很尷尬超過5000位的勞工走上街頭抗議賴政府 抗議洪部長可是這個活動就辦完了但是現在送進來的追加預算又有228萬裡面又寫到說你要去辦模範勞工的選拔跟表揚我想問是為什麼呢我圈起來在中間的下面\n跟委員報告這裡面不是說特別是追加我們另外還有這個獎補助還有包括一些對我們勞工的每一個模範勞工的我們有一個獎勵金還有一個補助他到補助全國性工會去辦理五一表達會\n等於說不是我們 光我們自己辦全國性的公會他辦模範勞工表揚我們有適度的去補助因為是全國性的公會你是說今年5月1號辦完了之後你還要再補助其他的表揚嗎對 就因為我們全台灣這個全國性的公會有10個左右然後他們辦表揚大會的時候我們有助於補助一些金額\n那之前好幾年我看了好幾年的預算為什麼沒有這樣子追加表這個每年都有這個補助每年都有好那我會再跟您要這個追加228萬的完整支出規劃用書面報告送過來好嗎謝謝好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.106 --> 00:10.507\n謝謝主席還有謝謝官員我們請洪部長有請洪部長陳委員早部長早因為這次蠻多委員是關心這樣子的議題因為內閣據說8月25號會改組所以也想請教洪部長未來還有機會可以在這邊繼續質詢你嗎想就是政務官的去留不是我自己決定的是是長官決定的所以\n\n00:37.777 --> 01:01.608\n我沒有辦法回答你這個問題這個是當時您上任的時候卓院長給了您三個任務那我剛剛當然聽了很多這個您跟陳肇之委員的質詢在這邊我也想問您剛好講您發這篇文章有它的正當性還有您在意的事情不過當然外界有認為你在726大罷免的前夕\n\n01:02.088 --> 01:30.178\n似乎是行政不太中立並且逾越了勞動部長的本分因為當初卓院長找您來也是希望您做全民的部長那如果你覺得整個都沒毛病的話請問你後來說有補請假的原因是什麼呢因為在一般勞工的認定中補請假大部分是小朋友健康有點問題要趕快去學校接或者是自身的家庭問題等等這是很急迫的狀況\n\n01:31.159 --> 01:34.672\n那因為發了一篇文章所以之後才補請假的原因是什麼\n\n01:36.960 --> 02:03.392\n那個像我們當天沒有說補請假我想我還是要再重申一次其實當天我這個發文的表達在表達的事情就是因為當時大家都很關心這個免巴士量表的問題那我們在當初要表決前其實的那場超級協商其實我們是帶了我覺得我們覺得相對是可以減緩可能會對重症帶來衝擊的那個方案希望到\n\n02:05.113 --> 02:25.708\n這個協商的現場來跟草野的委員來討論也許我們有一些更好的方法一樣可以滿足一些長者的需求但是對可能的衝擊可以減少的方法我們其實是帶著這樣子一個方案但是這個距離當時三獨或是協商其實這個時間點是過滿久的啦我不曉得你身為一個行政中立的部長我不知道你認為這個時機點\n\n02:27.389 --> 02:53.441\n合不合適為什麼十幾點我只要講的原因是因為當時其實就是在這個修法要生效前有一段大概有兩個禮拜的時間因為陸陸續續在媒體上面有報導有一些長者他重症的長者他遇到這個看護工可能不想要待想要轉走轉出的報導那一段時間裡面在媒體上面在社群媒體上這樣子的聲音很多\n\n02:54.241 --> 03:06.850\n所以當時我才在跟才向大家報告說其實當初在三讀前其實有當時有一個原本是韓院長要這個要來召集的草野協商我們是帶著這樣子的方案準備到現場結果草野協商跳過了\n\n03:09.952 --> 03:34.278\n八四兩表的輿論很多所以你發了這篇文我們事後再來看看他輿論的這個流量是不是在你發文的時候多不過在這邊也稍微提醒你也稍微提醒你如果你8月23號以前還要發文的話可以利用下班時間這樣子爭議比較少那再來這也是其他人呢有在意的你看一下現在你還在中常委的名單上面不會覺得很奇怪嗎\n\n03:35.078 --> 03:48.479\n因為第二個任務他就是希望您建立一個友善健全的職場這是卓院長給您的任務向委員報告在我到勞動部工作以後基本上我從來就在沒有去開過中場會\n\n03:50.382 --> 04:11.688\n就是針對跟黨執就跟黨執有關的執行就再也沒有那我們看看我們看看別人這個蘇志芬之前在擔任續產會董座以後就立刻請辭中常委我不太懂如果你不以身作則來以身示範要怎麼樣帶領勞動部的全體員工做到行政中立\n\n04:12.421 --> 04:36.690\n總之我是跟委員說明說在去年的應該是11月底我到勞動部以後我就沒有再去做任何跟黨職有關這個權力上面的行使包括會議我想我們都沒有去出席了沒關係因為一般人民對於請辭或者是長期請假的看法大家還是覺得有一個落差\n\n04:38.946 --> 05:06.978\n但如果你想做這樣子的選擇那就做這樣子的選擇這個是全台灣非常多球迷很關心我們上次也做了很多討論今年5月我們就說您會來協助他們做團體協約的簽訂那我想問一下到現在已經8月了不知道進度如何呢因為後來您也很友善的發文給我說會去拜會職棒公會然後把一些妹妹都跟球員公會來做分享\n\n05:09.471 --> 05:31.545\n跟我也報告之前新的理事長就任的時候我們都有去出席那也代表老東部跟理事長有這個上次都講過了你們有去記者會我們也跟工會有提到就是說如果有需要開始談團體協商的時候可以跟我們聯繫我們有專家可以協助那有可能因為他們現在事務比較繁忙那我們會再主動再來跟他們溝通\n\n05:32.446 --> 05:45.511\n好所以你近期內大概多久以內會主動跟他們接洽因為現在許多球員他們在意的是這個洪部長一定也很關心啦明年1月我們又有新的經典賽嘛但是他們對於明年這個出場的賽事出場費齁這個談定的\n\n05:50.374 --> 06:03.693\n價錢已經是非常非常久以前的行情了大概三四年前的行情那現在球員們他們也很在意勞資關係小組啊肖像權的保障啊等等的那我們會期待您也可以運用您的影響力\n\n06:05.315 --> 06:28.452\n我們其實部裡面一直很鼓勵這個工會跟企業來簽訂團體協約那如果有機會的話我想我可以再請再發文一次甚至不是發文我覺得更主動的直接聯繫只要任何幫得上忙的地方我們都願意來盡量去促成工會跟企業來簽團體協約我們會盡我們所有可以做的努力\n\n06:28.832 --> 06:52.200\n因為明年1月也是許多球迷關心的賽事所以同步他們也關心這樣子的議題我們期待可以看到部長有一些協助的地方再來這個是上次也跟部長問過的勞動部開放橋外畢業生留台工作那在旅宿業的申請人數上次我跟您質詢的時候僅有一人申請也想知道現在是幾人了\n\n06:55.366 --> 07:15.455\n還是一人好像是我們也比較了勞動部跟交通部觀光署推出的一個觀光旅遊業以及旅遊業申請外國籍學生來中華民國實習的要點當時喔不到半年申請人數突破千人我現在跟您更新一下你當時一人現在一人人家現在是1500件申請\n\n07:18.917 --> 07:33.293\n那另外我也有聽說勞動部跟交通部有想要再開放第二個產業這個您知道是哪一個產業嗎你講的第二個產業對除了旅宿業以外第二個產業他們想再開放實習要點\n\n07:41.380 --> 08:02.690\n我想這還在評估中所以你們其實有開會嗎也不是我們其實包括我們其實也有跟交通部在討論比方說大家針對實習的問題的一些如果有涉及勞動權益的部分我們跟交通部會有再交換意見我獲得的資訊是貨運業貨運業你有知道這樣子的事嗎交通部有跟你討論嗎委員的資訊可能要再確認就是\n\n08:10.376 --> 08:37.272\n沒有還沒有好但缺工的確是一個事實我們只是希望跟你討論是不是有更健全更完整配套的實習生來補來彌補這個缺工我們來比較一下這個左邊是您勞動部的移工留才久用方案開放對象這個你很熟了在台工作滿6年以上或是取得我國副學士以上學位的僑外生右邊是現在交通部可能有找你一起討論的實習要點來看\n\n08:39.753 --> 09:07.341\n他們來台許可期間不能超過他自己就讀學程的二分之一就最多一半比如說他這個在當國的學程是四年他在台灣兩年申請一次違憲那現在做個兩三年交通部剛剛他們就希望他可以繼續留在台灣擔任技術人力這個跟你們原本的移工留才久用方案似乎原則差距非常的大\n\n09:08.226 --> 09:32.941\n跟委員說明因為實習的部分的確跟這個因為移工留才久用是針對技術人力的部分那技術人力是工作那實習的確跟工作的性質還是不太一樣的所以有點難直接拿來這樣類比但我們的確不裡面現在我們針對整體的跨國勞動力的政策我們都希望能夠擴大這個技術人力的\n\n09:33.962 --> 09:54.355\n流用因為現在產業上面其實對於技術人力是很欠缺就是剛剛委員說到說我們其實對產業的各種職缺的調查裡面很清楚看到大家對技術人力的缺乏所以我們現在一些政策的規劃也希望讓未來的跨國勞動力的部分能夠更\n\n09:56.124 --> 10:15.057\n往技術能力的方向來走來去供應給我們的產業產業的發展的需求但我也是站在您的立場因為您是要關心本勞嘛短期內當然這些方案有可能可以舒緩缺口可是長期它也可能會壓低我們本勞的溢價能力讓這個\n\n10:16.818 --> 10:44.570\n有一個惡性循環所以我們在跨國勞動力的政策的開放裡面其實我們也很多次表達我們有幾個最重要的原則第一個不希望影響本勞的就業機會甚至我們還希望是不是能夠有機會透過跨國勞動力的政策來拉高本土勞工的勞動條件甚至薪資我這邊這都是我們其實希望設定的政策的目標\n\n10:45.330 --> 10:59.546\n我這邊提供您一些其他國家的做法看您下次是否跨部門的會議的時候可以拿出來講我們當然你講到實習跟他實際在這邊做事情不太一樣如果我們讓實習要變得有意義的\n\n11:00.287 --> 11:26.609\n比如說日本之前他也想利用實習的研修生制度來彌補勞工的缺口但因為沒有保障最後他們有去做調整比如說透過合法的中階技術人力制度來要求通過一定的證照或者是要達到日檢日檢日文的檢定還有專門性的技術考試合格等等的才可以讓這些實習生繼續留下來當作技術人力\n\n11:26.909 --> 11:49.529\n跟委員說明他們在講的實習生他們其實指的是那個工作實習我們現在講實習生比較是從學校出發的實習其實是有點不同但是我們的確這樣的想法還是可以把它加入的確我們其實現在在很多技術人力的政策上面我們的確是在參考也參考日本的政策所以剛剛在講到是說他們的研修生或者是現在的育成\n\n11:51.397 --> 12:16.957\n遇城就牢的做法其實都是我們現在在做政策規劃的時候我們其實有在參考的案例就國家的案例這一個我們以後會再後續跟您追走剛剛大家已經聽到您回答從現在8月1號開始申請是1450人嗎就是免84量表加上70到79歲的癌症二期以上\n\n12:17.957 --> 12:46.505\n8月17號等下會有非常多委員問所以我這邊不多做琢磨可是我會希望我們是不是今年年底就這個計畫運行了半年左右可以去提交一個政策實行的檢討報告因為可能到了年底或者是半年我們這邊所有的委員我也會想要知道你真正申請的件數是多少你輕症跟重症如何分流那你怎麼輕症重症的比例等等那是不是要做一個政策檢討\n\n12:47.245 --> 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就是剛剛委員說到說我們其實對產業的各種職缺的調查裡面很清楚看到大家對技術人力的缺乏所以我們現在一些政策的規劃也希望讓未來的跨國勞動力的部分能夠更"},{"start":596.124,"end":615.057,"text":"往技術能力的方向來走來去供應給我們的產業產業的發展的需求但我也是站在您的立場因為您是要關心本勞嘛短期內當然這些方案有可能可以舒緩缺口可是長期它也可能會壓低我們本勞的溢價能力讓這個"},{"start":616.818,"end":644.57,"text":"有一個惡性循環所以我們在跨國勞動力的政策的開放裡面其實我們也很多次表達我們有幾個最重要的原則第一個不希望影響本勞的就業機會甚至我們還希望是不是能夠有機會透過跨國勞動力的政策來拉高本土勞工的勞動條件甚至薪資我這邊這都是我們其實希望設定的政策的目標"},{"start":645.33,"end":659.546,"text":"我這邊提供您一些其他國家的做法看您下次是否跨部門的會議的時候可以拿出來講我們當然你講到實習跟他實際在這邊做事情不太一樣如果我們讓實習要變得有意義的"},{"start":660.287,"end":686.609,"text":"比如說日本之前他也想利用實習的研修生制度來彌補勞工的缺口但因為沒有保障最後他們有去做調整比如說透過合法的中階技術人力制度來要求通過一定的證照或者是要達到日檢日檢日文的檢定還有專門性的技術考試合格等等的才可以讓這些實習生繼續留下來當作技術人力"},{"start":686.909,"end":709.529,"text":"跟委員說明他們在講的實習生他們其實指的是那個工作實習我們現在講實習生比較是從學校出發的實習其實是有點不同但是我們的確這樣的想法還是可以把它加入的確我們其實現在在很多技術人力的政策上面我們的確是在參考也參考日本的政策所以剛剛在講到是說他們的研修生或者是現在的育成"},{"start":711.397,"end":736.957,"text":"遇城就牢的做法其實都是我們現在在做政策規劃的時候我們其實有在參考的案例就國家的案例這一個我們以後會再後續跟您追走剛剛大家已經聽到您回答從現在8月1號開始申請是1450人嗎就是免84量表加上70到79歲的癌症二期以上"},{"start":737.957,"end":766.505,"text":"8月17號等下會有非常多委員問所以我這邊不多做琢磨可是我會希望我們是不是今年年底就這個計畫運行了半年左右可以去提交一個政策實行的檢討報告因為可能到了年底或者是半年我們這邊所有的委員我也會想要知道你真正申請的件數是多少你輕症跟重症如何分流那你怎麼輕症重症的比例等等那是不是要做一個政策檢討"},{"start":767.245,"end":781.233,"text":"沒有問題 我們一定 這個是我們願意提供好 最後有一個小的問題因為最近我們收到行政院來提追加預算那勞動部每年都會固定編列一個是表揚全國模範勞工選拔然後會辦在勞動節5月1號 穩定在500萬的規模比如說111年526 536 531等等每一年大概就在這個範圍的上下"},{"start":792.239,"end":814.884,"text":"那這個預算我們去年就通過啦並且你今年5月1號也辦完活動雖然辦活動那天很尷尬超過5000位的勞工走上街頭抗議賴政府 抗議洪部長可是這個活動就辦完了但是現在送進來的追加預算又有228萬裡面又寫到說你要去辦模範勞工的選拔跟表揚我想問是為什麼呢我圈起來在中間的下面"},{"start":821.728,"end":838.257,"text":"跟委員報告這裡面不是說特別是追加我們另外還有這個獎補助還有包括一些對我們勞工的每一個模範勞工的我們有一個獎勵金還有一個補助他到補助全國性工會去辦理五一表達會"},{"start":839.458,"end":860.812,"text":"等於說不是我們 光我們自己辦全國性的公會他辦模範勞工表揚我們有適度的去補助因為是全國性的公會你是說今年5月1號辦完了之後你還要再補助其他的表揚嗎對 就因為我們全台灣這個全國性的公會有10個左右然後他們辦表揚大會的時候我們有助於補助一些金額"},{"start":862.089,"end":879.488,"text":"那之前好幾年我看了好幾年的預算為什麼沒有這樣子追加表這個每年都有這個補助每年都有好那我會再跟您要這個追加228萬的完整支出規劃用書面報告送過來好嗎謝謝好"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":219,"blocks":[["陳委員菁徽：（9時39分）謝謝主席，還有謝謝官員，我們請洪部長，謝謝。"],["主席：有請洪部長。"],["洪部長申翰：陳委員早。"],["陳委員菁徽：部長早。這次蠻多委員關心這議題，因為內閣據說8月25日會改組，所以也想請教洪部長，未來還有機會可以在這邊繼續質詢你嗎？"],["洪部長申翰：政務官的去留不是我自己能決定的，是長官決定的，所以我沒有辦法回答你這個問題。"],["陳委員菁徽：這個是當時您上任的時候，卓院長給您的三個任務，我剛剛當然聽了很多您跟陳昭姿委員的質詢，在這邊我也想問，您剛才有說您發這篇文章有它的正當性，還有您在意的事情。不過當然外界有認為你在726大罷免的前夕，似乎是行政不太中立，並且逾越了勞動部部長的本分。當初卓院長找您來，也是希望您做全民的部長，如果你覺得整個都沒毛病的話，請問你後來有補請假的原因是什麼呢？因為在一般勞工的認定中，補請假大部分是小朋友健康有點問題要趕快去學校接，或者是自身的家庭問題等等，這是很急迫的狀況。因為發了一篇文章，所以之後才補請假的原因是什麼？"],["洪部長申翰：我們當天沒有說補請假，我還是要再重申一次，其實當天我這個發文在表達的事情，是因為當時大家都很關心免巴氏量表的問題，我們在當初要表決前，其實那場朝野協商，我覺得我們帶了相對可以減緩可能會對重症帶來衝擊的那個方案，希望到這個協商現場跟朝野的委員討論，也許我們有一些更好的方法，一樣可以滿足一些長者的需求。對可以減少可能衝擊的方法，我們其實帶著這樣的一個方案。"],["陳委員菁徽：但這個距離當時三讀或是協商，其實這個時間點過滿久的，你身為一個行政中立的部長，我不知道你認為這個時機點合不合適？"],["洪部長申翰：為什麼我在這個時機點會這樣講的原因，是因為當時在這個修法要生效前，有一段大概有兩個禮拜的時間，因為陸陸續續在媒體上有報導有一些長者、重症長者遇到看護工可能不想要待而想要轉出的報導，那一段時間裡，媒體及社群上這樣的聲音很多。所以當時我才向大家報告說，其實當初在三讀前，原本是韓院長要來召集朝野協商，我們是帶著這樣的方案準備到現場，結果朝野協商跳過了。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，沒關係。意思是當時對於巴氏量表的輿論很多，所以你發了這篇文，我們事後再來看看這輿論的流量是不是有你發文的時候多。不過在這邊也稍微提醒你……"],["洪部長申翰：當時很多人來跟我們陳情這個問題。"],["陳委員菁徽：也稍微提醒您，如果你8月23日以前還要發文的話，可以利用下班時間，這樣子爭議比較少。","再來，這也是其他人在意的，你看一下，現在你還在中常委的名單上面，不會覺得很奇怪嗎？因為第二個任務，就是希望你建立一個友善、健全的職場，這是卓院長給您的任務。"],["洪部長申翰：向委員報告，在我到勞動部工作以後，基本上我再也沒有去開過中常會了，跟黨職有關的執行就再也沒有……"],["陳委員菁徽：我們看看別人，蘇治芬之前在擔任畜產會董座以後，立刻請辭中常委，我不太懂如果你不以身作則、以身示範，要怎麼樣帶領勞動部的全體員工做到行政中立？"],["洪部長申翰：我跟委員說明，在去年應該是11月底，我到勞動部以後，就沒有再去做任何跟黨職有關的權利上面的行使，包括會議，我都沒有去出席了。"],["陳委員菁徽：好啊，沒關係。因為一般人民對於請辭或者是長期請假的看法還是覺得有落差，但如果你想做這樣的選擇，那就做這樣的選擇。","接下來是全臺灣非常多球迷很關心的議題，我們上次也做了很多討論。今年5月我們就說，您會協助他們做團體協約的簽訂，那麼我想問一下，到現在已經8月了，不知道進度如何呢？因為後來你也很友善地發文給我，說會去拜會職棒工會，把一些「眉眉角角」都跟球員工會來做分享。"],["王司長厚偉：跟委員報告，之前新任理事長就任的時候，我們都有去出席，也代表勞動部……"],["陳委員菁徽：這個上次都講過了，你們有去記者會。"],["王司長厚偉：我們也跟工會提到，如果有需要開始團體協商的時候，可以跟我們聯繫，我們有專家可以協助，也可能因為他們現在事務比較繁忙，我們會再主動跟他們溝通。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，所以你近期大概多久以內會主動跟他們接洽？因為現在很多球員在意的是，這個洪部長一定也很關心，明年1月會有新的經典賽，但是明年賽事出場費談定的價錢已經是非常、非常久以前大概是三、四年前的行情，現在球員很在意勞資關係小組、肖像權保障等等的問題，我們會期待您也可以運用您的影響力……"],["洪部長申翰：我們部裡面其實一直很鼓勵工會跟企業簽訂團體協約，如果有機會的話，我想我可以再請勞動關係司……"],["陳委員菁徽：再發文一次？"],["洪部長申翰：甚至不是發文啦，我覺得可以更主動地直接聯繫。"],["陳委員菁徽：好。"],["洪部長申翰：只要有任何幫得上忙的地方，我們都願意儘量促成工會跟企業簽訂團體協約，我們會盡我們所有可以做的努力。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，因為明年1月的經典賽也是許多球迷關心的賽事，所以他們也會同步關心這樣的議題，我們期待可以看到部長有一些協助的地方。","接下來是上次也跟部長問過的勞動部開放僑外畢業生留臺工作，有關旅宿業的申請人數，上次我跟您質詢的時候僅有1人申請，請問現在幾人了？"],["洪部長申翰：現在還是1人。"],["陳委員菁徽：還是1人？"],["洪部長申翰：對。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，上次我們也比較勞動部和交通部觀光署推出的「觀光旅館業及旅館業申請外國籍學生來中華民國實習要點」，當時他們的申請人數不到半年就突破千人，我現在跟您更新一下，你當時1人，現在還是1人，人家現在有1,500件申請。另外我也有聽說勞動部跟交通部有想要開放第二個產業，您知道是哪一個產業嗎？"],["洪部長申翰：第二個產業？"],["陳委員菁徽：對，除了旅宿業以外的第二個產業，他們想開放實習要點。"],["洪部長申翰：這個還在評估中。"],["陳委員菁徽：所以你們其實也有開會嘛！"],["洪部長申翰：不是，我們其實也有跟交通部在討論，比方說大家針對這次實習的問題，如果有涉及勞動權益的部分，我們有跟交通部在交換意見。"],["陳委員菁徽：我獲得的資訊是貨運業，你知道這樣的事情嗎？交通部有跟你討論嗎？"],["洪部長申翰：嗯……委員的資訊可能要再確認，就是……"],["陳委員菁徽：還沒有？好。但缺工的確是一個事實，我們只是希望跟你討論是不是有更健全、更完整配套的實習生來彌補這個缺工。","現在來比較一下，PPT左邊的是勞動部的移工留才久用方案，開放對象你很熟，包括在臺工作滿6年以上的移工，或是取得我國副學士以上學位的僑外生；右邊的是現在交通部可能有找你一起討論的實習要點，他們來臺實習的許可期間不能超過自己就讀外國大專院校學制的二分之一，就是最多一半，比如說他在該國的學制是4年，可以來臺灣實習2年，申請次數以一次為限。現在住個兩、三年，交通部觀光署就希望他們可以繼續留在臺灣擔任技術人力，這跟你們原本移工留才久用方案的原則似乎差距非常大。"],["洪部長申翰：跟委員說明，因為實習的部分的確跟這個……因為移工留才久用方案是針對技術人力的部分，技術人力是工作，實習的性質的確跟工作還是不太一樣，所以有點難以直接這樣拿來類比。但我們部裡面現在針對整體跨國勞動力的政策，的確都是希望能夠擴大技術人力的留用，因為現在產業上面其實對於技術人力是很欠缺的，就是剛才委員說到的，在我們對產業各種職缺的調查裡面，可以很清楚地看到大家對技術人力的缺乏。所以我們現在一些政策的規劃也是希望讓未來的跨國勞動力能夠更往技術人力的方向來走，以供應我們產業發展的需求。"],["陳委員菁徽：我也是站在您的立場，因為您是要關心本勞嘛！"],["洪部長申翰：對。"],["陳委員菁徽：短期內這些方案當然有可能可以舒緩缺工的問題，可是長期也可能會壓低本勞的議價能力，變成惡性循環。"],["洪部長申翰：所以我們在跨國勞動力政策開放裡面，其實有多次表達幾個最重要的原則，第一是不希望影響本勞的就業機會，而且我們還希望是不是能夠有機會透過這個跨國勞動力的政策，來拉高本土勞工的勞動條件甚至薪資，其實這都是我們希望設定的政策目標。"],["陳委員菁徽：我提供您一些其他國家的做法，看您下次參加跨部門會議的時候是不是可以拿出來講。當然，您講到實習跟他實際在這邊做事不太一樣，如果我們要讓實習變得有意義，比如說日本之前也常利用實習的研修生制度來彌補勞工的缺口，但是因為沒有保障，最後他們也做了調整，比如說透過合法的中階技術人力制度來要求通過一定的證照，或者是要達到日文檢定、專門性技術考試合格等等，才可以讓這些實習生留下來做為技術人力。"],["洪部長申翰：跟委員說明，他們講的實習生其實是指工作的實習，而我們講的實習生比較是從學校出發的實習，這是有點不同的，但我們的確……"],["陳委員菁徽：這樣子的想法還是可以把它加入啊！"],["洪部長申翰：我們現在在很多技術人力的政策上面，的確有在參考日本的做法，所以剛剛講到的是，以他們的研修生或者是現在育成就勞的做法，其實都是我們現在在做政策規劃的時候有在參考的國家的案例。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，這個部分我們後續會再追蹤。","剛剛已經聽到您回答8月1號開始申請，現在是1,450人嘛？"],["洪部長申翰：就是免巴氏量表加上70到79歲的癌症二期以上，到8月17號是……"],["陳委員菁徽：沒關係，等一下會有非常多委員詢問，所以我這邊就不多著墨，可是我會希望今年年底，也就是這個計畫運作半年左右，是不是可以提交一個政策執行的檢討報告？因為可能到了年底或者是過了半年，我們這邊所有的委員也會想要知道真正申請的件數是多少、輕症和重症如何分流，以及輕症、重症的比例等等，這些是不是應該做個政策檢討？好嗎？"],["洪部長申翰：沒有問題，這個我們願意提供。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，最後有一個小的問題，因為最近我們收到行政院提的追加預算，勞動部每年都會固定編列一個全國模範勞工選拔暨表揚的預算，並且在5月1號勞動節辦理該項活動，預算穩定在500萬元左右的規模，比如說111年526萬元、112年536萬元、113年531萬元等等，每年大概都在這個範圍上下，這個預算我們去年就通過了，而且你們今年5月1號也辦完活動了，雖然辦活動那天很尷尬，有超過5,000位勞工走上街頭，抗議賴政府、抗議洪部長，可是這個活動就辦完了。但是現在送進來的追加預算又有228萬元，而且又寫到你們要去辦模範勞工的選拔和表揚，我想問這是為什麼呢？"],["王司長厚偉：跟委員報告，這裡面並不是特別指追加，我們另外還有獎補助，也包括一些對模範勞工的獎勵金，同時補助全國性工會去辦理五一表揚大會，等於說這不光是我們自己辦的，全國性工會辦理模範勞工表揚，我們有適度的補助，因為這是全國性的工會。"],["陳委員菁徽：你是說今年5月1日辦完了之後，你還要再補助其他的表揚嗎？"],["王司長厚偉：對，因為我們全臺灣全國性的工會有十個左右，然後他們辦表揚大會的時候，我們有補助一些金額讓他們表揚。"],["陳委員菁徽：之前好幾年，我看了好幾年的預算，為什麼沒有這樣子追加表揚？"],["王司長厚偉：這個每一年都有，這個補助每年都有。"],["陳委員菁徽：好，我會再跟您要追加228萬的完整支出規劃，用書面報告送過來好嗎？謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝陳菁徽委員的發言，也謝謝洪部長的答詢。","下一位請王育敏委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":220,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-26-25","speakers":["劉建國","陳昭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