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00:03:10,251\n那所以我也希望這個變化非常的大那第一時間第一訊息就必須要有因應對策跟方案好那接下來本席要繼續來跟你討論的就是今天的主題我們組成了7月28號組成了災後復健服務團給了這個馬上辦的中心那產業競爭力中心原管局這個聯輔基金會來協助\n\n10\n00:03:13,733 --> 00:03:40,692\n災後包括稅金的申報那要怎麼樣申請復工的貸款舊的貸款要怎麼樣去展延開立了企業受災的這些證明工作那還有你們包括了要生財的這個器具毀損金元是這個金還1萬元那設備的部分修繕是以20萬元首先我也要肯定經濟部因為本期一直在跟你們討論\n\n11\n00:03:41,973 --> 00:04:10,271\n這一旦有困難發生的時候我們整合所有的力量作為一站式的服務的方式那現在在做的就是這個一站式的服務的方式跟本席之前跟你討論的內容你們做到了但是本席要請教到目前為止中小企業受災害的受損的情況究竟是如何我們協助的情況有沒有一個評估的一個規模\n\n12\n00:04:11,332 --> 00:04:38,268\n尤其在我台中地區這一次除了南部以外那我台中地區的狀況到底是如何請做說明報告委員我想我們現在目前就是按受災區我們都去透過這個組織去了解那受災戶一方面我們也有馬上辦服務中心受災戶他可以直接跟我們聯絡但是我們認為有的受災戶可能不太了解我們有這個馬上辦中心\n\n13\n00:04:39,788 --> 00:04:58,357\n一定要廣為去宣傳主動出擊所以我們在這個所謂南部我們也有一個服務團在那個地方總之受災戶的情況我們都應該有高度的掌握所以目前我們這個受災的狀況你們評估到底\n\n14\n00:05:02,719 --> 00:05:31,054\n是怎麼因為台中的狀況可能比較平穩一點就是相對於相對於其他的地方那我們還是要注意比較平穩那南部我們不會說因為它比較平穩我們就沒有照我們是全體一體的大家都是國家有共識要全面的關心所以我們服務的態度都是一樣所以請教到目前為止這一次的受災情況大概損失會多少你們的評估它的規模跟範圍大概是多少因為已經過了一個多月了\n\n15\n00:05:34,158 --> 00:05:58,793\n我們現在還是先去搶救先搶救為第一那如果趙部長你這樣的回答就是目前我們還沒有辦法去整體的預估到底受損會有多少受損會有多少到目前我們都跟前進指揮所受損的加速有多少受損的經濟規模有多少\n\n16\n00:06:00,374 --> 00:06:21,403\n這個都還要盤點還沒盤點出來因為太大那個災害太大了所以我們現在報告委員像比如說我們經濟部譬如說我們一般的受災戶我們有分幾個區是屬於我們經濟部在負責的那我們有三個區大概我們分到的受災戶大概600戶\n\n17\n00:06:22,932 --> 00:06:44,747\n六百戶大家分工合作包括住家的但是我們經濟部我們因為有水利署我們有水利署在做公共工程的廠商我們都把它公共工程停止然後全力來搶救部長因為我們的災到現在要將近兩個月的時間\n\n18\n00:06:46,428 --> 00:06:59,489\n所以我们应该好好去评估到底我们受损的加数有多少我们受损的经济规模有多少加数是知道的加数多少呢加数都知道的我是说这个住宅的话\n\n19\n00:07:00,447 --> 00:07:16,385\n我們負責的三個區加起來大概是600戶那不只啊還有其他人負責其他的就是有其他的部門在負責所以你們要統籌本席要求的就是說我們碰到困難大家團結一致沒錯要去統計行政部門必須要未雨綢繆先知\n\n20\n00:07:18,087 --> 00:07:33,603\n你要必须去盘点我到底受损的加数有多少我受损的经济规模有多少我要怎么样准备去协助我们这些受损的人员没有错委员所指导的这一部分我们前进办公室都有掌握\n\n21\n00:07:34,484 --> 00:07:50,480\n前进办公室都有掌握那我们是就我们分配到的责任区我们非常的清楚你也把你前进办公室的资料给本席谢谢部长我们继续来讨论当然是台风跟豪雨的这个灾情那台电的员工真的好辛苦一下子\n\n22\n00:07:51,061 --> 00:08:07,236\n就像你說的規模那麼大倒了數千支的電線桿大家忙了搶災我們要給予他們最高的敬意跟肯定但是我一再強調你必須主管機關單位必須要去做好人力的調配\n\n23\n00:08:08,377 --> 00:08:35,831\n人力的一個調配跟災情的評估災情的評估剛剛我們已經討論過你會給本席那就是人力的調配你到底要怎麼樣去協助他們要怎麼樣協助他們我覺得這個才是真正非常根本我們討論到這個問題的根源你會怎麼樣去調配這個人力讓他們可以做得來是報告委員我想這個電力的部分是非常專業的部分\n\n24\n00:08:36,849 --> 00:08:54,839\n所以我們也不是說一般的人就可以去承接這樣的工作所以我們第一個就是我們台電有每一個區他在台灣分成好幾個區作業區那麼自己的區如果沒有辦法解決的話我們從其他的區調人進來協作\n\n25\n00:08:56,139 --> 00:09:14,855\n協助他們人力調配對人力的調配就是由整個台電公司總部在做調配好這個是本席要求的幾次一定要好好去調配讓我們台電最基層的員工可以好好的來工作最後一個議題本席跟你討論也就是產業協助200億我們要等嗎\n\n26\n00:09:18,191 --> 00:09:44,033\n我們要等嗎你的評估標準在哪裡本期在第一時間告訴你們關稅的問題不夠錢你們趕快編你們編了880億我說不夠光我台中用的不夠你再增加了50億930億我要請教現在給我們的答案累加關稅上去20%再加累加關稅那您也跟我們的行政院長到了我們的台中來幾個議題\n\n27\n00:09:46,795 --> 00:10:09,168\n幾個議題第一個本席強調為什麼200億是告訴我們如果產業需要難道你們都沒有評估嗎當場的所有的理事長都告訴你們他笑不出來他也說他希望能夠怎麼樣簡化程序讓他們在急救的當時可以不倒下去\n\n28\n00:10:09,968 --> 00:10:21,934\n這個是政府非常關鍵的時刻所以我非常的納悶我本期喊了那麼久你們終於也在這一次增加的條例從5450億加到5900億當中450億裡頭有200億你們要作為我們這個傳統產業的支持的200億但是你告訴我們兩個字叫做預留行政院長告訴我說如果你們需要你可以改啊\n\n29\n00:10:38,171 --> 00:11:06,012\n部長你是行政部門行政部門應該是要最了解我們的產業要怎麼樣協助我們的產業政策性的一個指揮才能夠讓民眾讓我們的產業安心嘛所以本期要請教你的200億你們的評估到底是在什麼的情況之下你才會啟動因為我們現在的傳統產業坦白講這一次關稅最大的受害者就是我們的傳產\n\n30\n00:11:07,193 --> 00:11:23,802\n就是我們的傳產那政府沒有理由不協助他們對不對所以在這樣情況之下你也來自產業你最清楚所以本席覺得非常納悶到底是在什麼樣的評估什麼樣的條件下你會啟動這兩百億來救援我們的傳統產業請說明兩百億都是在所謂的電網韌性的強化\n\n31\n00:11:31,089 --> 00:11:46,250\n不是啦不是啦不是啦那另外啦那另外啦你的加強產業支持是200億電信任網又另外一條啦本身跟你講的是產業支持200億的不是任性支持的啦對不對不是任網的啦\n\n32\n00:11:48,232 --> 00:12:03,411\n產業支持部長你累了嗎產業支持你辛苦了我知道你現在在質詢的我都清楚謝謝我們這個200億就是說當有需要產業我們在支持產業的時候不足的我們就200億再上\n\n33\n00:12:04,532 --> 00:12:29,586\n請教什麼叫不足我現在已經不足我現在已經不敢接單我現在已經廠房不敢續約我一個月要繞過了十萬繞過了八萬甚至有上千萬的這樣子還不夠嗎而且鄭麗君副院長回來她說美國的談判告訴我們它可能你現在暫時性總統告訴我們的是會延到十月\n\n34\n00:12:30,646 --> 00:12:46,134\n那現在的暫時性拖一個月會影響我們船長多大拖兩個月會影響多大你有評估嗎我們這些都有評估在那有評估那什麼條件你只告訴我們需要我現在正式告訴你我們非常需要\n\n35\n00:12:46,974 --> 00:13:00,064\n可以啟動嗎報告委員我們都一直在做可以啟動嗎我們也都跟產業一直在做對呀可以啟動嗎你都一直了解產業謝謝但是可以啟動嗎這200億可以講預留兩個字我沒有辦法接受我們現在已經用你們因為貴大會還沒有通過這個這個\n\n36\n00:13:10,044 --> 00:13:26,041\n这个预算嘛部长你们送来的200亿产业针对产业你就是写预留在你们送来的文字条例里头我们现在已经用其他的钱在支援在支持现在的这个厂商的需求了\n\n37\n00:13:26,141 --> 00:13:41,806\n部長你來自產業你了解當天他們也說工學會他們也拜託你院長也指示說在各個各個的產業別你必須要好好個別去做了解啟動了嗎我們已經在451已經在8月7號已經受理了\n\n38\n00:13:45,956 --> 00:14:02,670\n那是另外一回事嘛所以本席要請教你也就是當天院長說我們工學會十幾個理事長都在那裡希望能夠由您經濟部去指揮跟他們個別產業座談了解他們的需求對我們都一直在做\n\n39\n00:14:02,910 --> 00:14:16,918\n你們開始啟動了沒有你把表格給我好不好時間給我我一起來努力好不好你把表格給我我們一起來努力一起來座談好不好一起來座談好不好是你把表格給我你們要怎麼樣跟他們聯絡要怎麼樣談這時間我們一起來努力請把你們的時間表給本席好可以喔那我再一次結論我希望你們送來的5900億里頭\n\n40\n00:14:31,787 --> 00:14:53,585\n有一笔两百亿专门支持中小产业的这两百亿不要预留不要预留因为我们产业的确现在就需要我请你好好地去深思协助我们的产业谢谢委员知道好谢谢我们现在请吕玉玲委员做询答\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n29\t6255\t謝謝趙偉 楊秋雲發言 邀請部長郭部長委員好\n19485\t41363\t这段辛苦了我们来讨论美国商务部长卢特尼克他在19号表示为了美国国家的安全必须在美国本土生产制造晶片他不能让99%的高阶晶片都在台湾来制造他也强调了拜登政府当时免费的赠给\n41983\t68816\t这个英特尔 台积电等这些晶片公司那美国川普希望把这些钱转换成股权那请教部长目前我们掌控的情况到底是如何在台美的谈判当中有没有讨论到这件事情还是让台积电自己去处理呢请做说明报告委员我也是刚收到这样的一个讯息\n69355\t90410\t所以我們現在還在看這個應該這個訊息是我們談判小組他們之前也沒有收到的這個我想大家都是可能從新聞上面因為新聞我們在19號的時候看到這個訊息那所以部長你的說法是說到目前為止你也是剛剛看到這個新聞\n92111\t105671\t所以我們大概會來跟這個台積電來了解一下因為畢竟台積電是民間的公司不是國營企業所以我可能也要跟這個國發會來討論因為國發會是他的股東\n109396\t124888\t所以我们大概会就全面的来了解到底美国商务部长他讲这个要入股的意识背后的含义是什么那这个我们还是有待一些时间的讨论跟评估\n125228\t139676\t是 非常好这也就是我们现在一直变化非常的大所以刚刚又有一则外媒的讯息出来外媒讯息说美国也有意要入股台积电来换取补助\n140556\t164251\t換取補助雖然我們現在看到的是媒體上面在說的所以剛剛部長你的說法本心非常認同一旦有這樣的情勢我相信不管是民間公司或者是我們政府部門尤其我們國防會更是台積電的董事有一席也是股東之一我們更應當要去了解因為這延伸了我們整個產業\n165512\t190251\t那所以我也希望這個變化非常的大那第一時間第一訊息就必須要有因應對策跟方案好那接下來本席要繼續來跟你討論的就是今天的主題我們組成了7月28號組成了災後復健服務團給了這個馬上辦的中心那產業競爭力中心原管局這個聯輔基金會來協助\n193733\t220692\t災後包括稅金的申報那要怎麼樣申請復工的貸款舊的貸款要怎麼樣去展延開立了企業受災的這些證明工作那還有你們包括了要生財的這個器具毀損金元是這個金還1萬元那設備的部分修繕是以20萬元首先我也要肯定經濟部因為本期一直在跟你們討論\n221973\t250271\t這一旦有困難發生的時候我們整合所有的力量作為一站式的服務的方式那現在在做的就是這個一站式的服務的方式跟本席之前跟你討論的內容你們做到了但是本席要請教到目前為止中小企業受災害的受損的情況究竟是如何我們協助的情況有沒有一個評估的一個規模\n251332\t278268\t尤其在我台中地區這一次除了南部以外那我台中地區的狀況到底是如何請做說明報告委員我想我們現在目前就是按受災區我們都去透過這個組織去了解那受災戶一方面我們也有馬上辦服務中心受災戶他可以直接跟我們聯絡但是我們認為有的受災戶可能不太了解我們有這個馬上辦中心\n279788\t298357\t一定要廣為去宣傳主動出擊所以我們在這個所謂南部我們也有一個服務團在那個地方總之受災戶的情況我們都應該有高度的掌握所以目前我們這個受災的狀況你們評估到底\n302719\t331054\t是怎麼因為台中的狀況可能比較平穩一點就是相對於相對於其他的地方那我們還是要注意比較平穩那南部我們不會說因為它比較平穩我們就沒有照我們是全體一體的大家都是國家有共識要全面的關心所以我們服務的態度都是一樣所以請教到目前為止這一次的受災情況大概損失會多少你們的評估它的規模跟範圍大概是多少因為已經過了一個多月了\n334158\t358793\t我們現在還是先去搶救先搶救為第一那如果趙部長你這樣的回答就是目前我們還沒有辦法去整體的預估到底受損會有多少受損會有多少到目前我們都跟前進指揮所受損的加速有多少受損的經濟規模有多少\n360374\t381403\t這個都還要盤點還沒盤點出來因為太大那個災害太大了所以我們現在報告委員像比如說我們經濟部譬如說我們一般的受災戶我們有分幾個區是屬於我們經濟部在負責的那我們有三個區大概我們分到的受災戶大概600戶\n382932\t404747\t六百戶 大家分工合作包括住家的但是我們經濟部我們因為有水利署我們有水利署在做公共工程的廠商我們都把它公共工程停止然後全力來搶救部長 因為我們的災到現在要將近兩個月的時間\n406428\t419489\t所以我们应该好好去评估到底我们受损的加数有多少我们受损的经济规模有多少加数是知道的加数多少呢加数都知道的我是说这个住宅的话\n420447\t436385\t我們負責的三個區加起來大概是600戶那不只啊還有其他人負責其他的就是有其他的部門在負責所以你們要統籌本席要求的就是說我們碰到困難大家團結一致沒錯要去統計行政部門必須要未雨綢繆先知\n438087\t453603\t你要必须去盘点我到底受损的加数有多少我受损的经济规模有多少我要怎么样准备去协助我们这些受损的人员没有错委员所指导的这一部分我们前进办公室都有掌握\n454484\t470480\t前进办公室都有掌握那我们是就我们分配到的责任区我们非常的清楚你也把你前进办公室的资料给本席谢谢部长我们继续来讨论当然是台风跟豪雨的这个灾情那台电的员工真的好辛苦一下子\n471061\t487236\t就像你說的 規模那麼大 倒了數千支的電線桿大家忙了搶災 我們要給予他們最高的敬意跟肯定但是我一再強調你必須 主管機關單位必須要去做好人力的調配\n488377\t515831\t人力的一個調配跟災情的評估災情的評估剛剛我們已經討論過你會給本席那就是人力的調配你到底要怎麼樣去協助他們要怎麼樣協助他們我覺得這個才是真正非常根本我們討論到這個問題的根源你會怎麼樣去調配這個人力讓他們可以做得來是 報告委員我想這個電力的部分是非常專業的部分\n516849\t534839\t所以我們也不是說一般的人就可以去承接這樣的工作所以我們第一個就是我們台電有每一個區他在台灣分成好幾個區作業區那麼自己的區如果沒有辦法解決的話我們從其他的區調人進來協作\n536139\t554855\t協助他們人力調配對 人力的調配就是由整個台電公司總部在做調配好 這個是本席要求的幾次一定要好好去調配讓我們台電最基層的員工可以好好的來工作最後一個議題本席跟你討論也就是產業協助200億我們要等嗎\n558191\t584033\t我們要等嗎你的評估標準在哪裡本期在第一時間告訴你們關稅的問題不夠錢你們趕快編你們編了880億我說不夠光我台中用的不夠你再增加了50億930億我要請教現在給我們的答案累加關稅上去20%再加累加關稅那您也跟我們的行政院長到了我們的台中來幾個議題\n586795\t609168\t幾個議題第一個本席強調為什麼200億是告訴我們如果產業需要難道你們都沒有評估嗎當場的所有的理事長都告訴你們他笑不出來他也說他希望能夠怎麼樣簡化程序讓他們在急救的當時可以不倒下去\n609968\t621934\t這個是政府非常關鍵的時刻所以我非常的納悶我本期喊了那麼久你們終於也在這一次增加的條例從5450億加到5900億當中450億裡頭有200億你們要作為我們這個傳統產業的支持的200億但是你告訴我們兩個字叫做預留行政院長告訴我說如果你們需要你可以改啊\n638171\t666012\t部長 你是行政部門行政部門應該是要最了解我們的產業要怎麼樣協助我們的產業政策性的一個指揮才能夠讓民眾讓我們的產業安心嘛所以本期要請教你的200億你們的評估到底是在什麼的情況之下你才會啟動因為我們現在的傳統產業坦白講這一次關稅最大的受害者就是我們的傳產\n667193\t683802\t就是我們的傳產那政府沒有理由不協助他們對不對所以在這樣情況之下你也來自產業你最清楚所以本席覺得非常納悶到底是在什麼樣的評估什麼樣的條件下你會啟動這兩百億來救援我們的傳統產業請說明兩百億都是在所謂的電網韌性的強化\n691089\t706250\t不是啦不是啦不是啦那另外啦那另外啦你的加強產業支持是200億電信任網又另外一條啦本身跟你講的是產業支持200億的不是任性支持的啦對不對不是任網的啦\n708232\t723411\t產業支持部長你累了嗎產業支持你辛苦了我知道你現在在質詢的我都清楚謝謝我們這個200億就是說當有需要產業我們在支持產業的時候不足的我們就200億再上\n724532\t749586\t請教什麼叫不足 我現在已經不足我現在已經不敢接單我現在已經廠房不敢續約我一個月要繞過了十萬 繞過了八萬甚至有上千萬的這樣子還不夠嗎而且鄭麗君副院長回來她說美國的談判告訴我們它可能你現在暫時性總統告訴我們的是會延到十月\n750646\t766134\t那現在的暫時性拖一個月會影響我們船長多大拖兩個月會影響多大你有評估嗎我們這些都有評估在那有評估那什麼條件你只告訴我們需要我現在正式告訴你我們非常需要\n766974\t780064\t可以啟動嗎報告委員我們都一直在做可以啟動嗎我們也都跟產業一直在做對呀可以啟動嗎你都一直了解產業謝謝但是可以啟動嗎這200億可以講預留兩個字我沒有辦法接受我們現在已經用你們因為貴大會還沒有通過這個這個\n790044\t806041\t这个预算嘛部长你们送来的200亿产业针对产业你就是写预留在你们送来的文字条例里头我们现在已经用其他的钱在支援在支持现在的这个厂商的需求了\n806141\t821806\t部長你來自產業你了解當天他們也說工學會他們也拜託你院長也指示說在各個各個的產業別你必須要好好個別去做了解啟動了嗎我們已經在451已經在8月7號已經受理了\n825956\t842670\t那是另外一回事嘛所以本席要請教你也就是當天院長說我們工學會十幾個理事長都在那裡希望能夠由您經濟部去指揮跟他們個別產業座談了解他們的需求對 我們都一直在做\n842910\t856918\t你們開始啟動了沒有你把表格給我好不好時間給我我一起來努力好不好你把表格給我我們一起來努力一起來座談好不好一起來座談好不好是你把表格給我你們要怎麼樣跟他們聯絡要怎麼樣談這時間我們一起來努力請把你們的時間表給本席好可以喔那我再一次結論我希望你們送來的5900億里頭\n871787\t893585\t有一笔两百亿专门支持中小产业的这两百亿不要预留不要预留因为我们产业的确现在就需要我请你好好地去深思协助我们的产业谢谢委员知道好 谢谢我们现在请吕玉玲委员做询答\n","txt":"謝謝趙偉 楊秋雲發言 邀請部長郭部長委員好\n这段辛苦了我们来讨论美国商务部长卢特尼克他在19号表示为了美国国家的安全必须在美国本土生产制造晶片他不能让99%的高阶晶片都在台湾来制造他也强调了拜登政府当时免费的赠给\n这个英特尔 台积电等这些晶片公司那美国川普希望把这些钱转换成股权那请教部长目前我们掌控的情况到底是如何在台美的谈判当中有没有讨论到这件事情还是让台积电自己去处理呢请做说明报告委员我也是刚收到这样的一个讯息\n所以我們現在還在看這個應該這個訊息是我們談判小組他們之前也沒有收到的這個我想大家都是可能從新聞上面因為新聞我們在19號的時候看到這個訊息那所以部長你的說法是說到目前為止你也是剛剛看到這個新聞\n所以我們大概會來跟這個台積電來了解一下因為畢竟台積電是民間的公司不是國營企業所以我可能也要跟這個國發會來討論因為國發會是他的股東\n所以我们大概会就全面的来了解到底美国商务部长他讲这个要入股的意识背后的含义是什么那这个我们还是有待一些时间的讨论跟评估\n是 非常好这也就是我们现在一直变化非常的大所以刚刚又有一则外媒的讯息出来外媒讯息说美国也有意要入股台积电来换取补助\n換取補助雖然我們現在看到的是媒體上面在說的所以剛剛部長你的說法本心非常認同一旦有這樣的情勢我相信不管是民間公司或者是我們政府部門尤其我們國防會更是台積電的董事有一席也是股東之一我們更應當要去了解因為這延伸了我們整個產業\n那所以我也希望這個變化非常的大那第一時間第一訊息就必須要有因應對策跟方案好那接下來本席要繼續來跟你討論的就是今天的主題我們組成了7月28號組成了災後復健服務團給了這個馬上辦的中心那產業競爭力中心原管局這個聯輔基金會來協助\n災後包括稅金的申報那要怎麼樣申請復工的貸款舊的貸款要怎麼樣去展延開立了企業受災的這些證明工作那還有你們包括了要生財的這個器具毀損金元是這個金還1萬元那設備的部分修繕是以20萬元首先我也要肯定經濟部因為本期一直在跟你們討論\n這一旦有困難發生的時候我們整合所有的力量作為一站式的服務的方式那現在在做的就是這個一站式的服務的方式跟本席之前跟你討論的內容你們做到了但是本席要請教到目前為止中小企業受災害的受損的情況究竟是如何我們協助的情況有沒有一個評估的一個規模\n尤其在我台中地區這一次除了南部以外那我台中地區的狀況到底是如何請做說明報告委員我想我們現在目前就是按受災區我們都去透過這個組織去了解那受災戶一方面我們也有馬上辦服務中心受災戶他可以直接跟我們聯絡但是我們認為有的受災戶可能不太了解我們有這個馬上辦中心\n一定要廣為去宣傳主動出擊所以我們在這個所謂南部我們也有一個服務團在那個地方總之受災戶的情況我們都應該有高度的掌握所以目前我們這個受災的狀況你們評估到底\n是怎麼因為台中的狀況可能比較平穩一點就是相對於相對於其他的地方那我們還是要注意比較平穩那南部我們不會說因為它比較平穩我們就沒有照我們是全體一體的大家都是國家有共識要全面的關心所以我們服務的態度都是一樣所以請教到目前為止這一次的受災情況大概損失會多少你們的評估它的規模跟範圍大概是多少因為已經過了一個多月了\n我們現在還是先去搶救先搶救為第一那如果趙部長你這樣的回答就是目前我們還沒有辦法去整體的預估到底受損會有多少受損會有多少到目前我們都跟前進指揮所受損的加速有多少受損的經濟規模有多少\n這個都還要盤點還沒盤點出來因為太大那個災害太大了所以我們現在報告委員像比如說我們經濟部譬如說我們一般的受災戶我們有分幾個區是屬於我們經濟部在負責的那我們有三個區大概我們分到的受災戶大概600戶\n六百戶 大家分工合作包括住家的但是我們經濟部我們因為有水利署我們有水利署在做公共工程的廠商我們都把它公共工程停止然後全力來搶救部長 因為我們的災到現在要將近兩個月的時間\n所以我们应该好好去评估到底我们受损的加数有多少我们受损的经济规模有多少加数是知道的加数多少呢加数都知道的我是说这个住宅的话\n我們負責的三個區加起來大概是600戶那不只啊還有其他人負責其他的就是有其他的部門在負責所以你們要統籌本席要求的就是說我們碰到困難大家團結一致沒錯要去統計行政部門必須要未雨綢繆先知\n你要必须去盘点我到底受损的加数有多少我受损的经济规模有多少我要怎么样准备去协助我们这些受损的人员没有错委员所指导的这一部分我们前进办公室都有掌握\n前进办公室都有掌握那我们是就我们分配到的责任区我们非常的清楚你也把你前进办公室的资料给本席谢谢部长我们继续来讨论当然是台风跟豪雨的这个灾情那台电的员工真的好辛苦一下子\n就像你說的 規模那麼大 倒了數千支的電線桿大家忙了搶災 我們要給予他們最高的敬意跟肯定但是我一再強調你必須 主管機關單位必須要去做好人力的調配\n人力的一個調配跟災情的評估災情的評估剛剛我們已經討論過你會給本席那就是人力的調配你到底要怎麼樣去協助他們要怎麼樣協助他們我覺得這個才是真正非常根本我們討論到這個問題的根源你會怎麼樣去調配這個人力讓他們可以做得來是 報告委員我想這個電力的部分是非常專業的部分\n所以我們也不是說一般的人就可以去承接這樣的工作所以我們第一個就是我們台電有每一個區他在台灣分成好幾個區作業區那麼自己的區如果沒有辦法解決的話我們從其他的區調人進來協作\n協助他們人力調配對 人力的調配就是由整個台電公司總部在做調配好 這個是本席要求的幾次一定要好好去調配讓我們台電最基層的員工可以好好的來工作最後一個議題本席跟你討論也就是產業協助200億我們要等嗎\n我們要等嗎你的評估標準在哪裡本期在第一時間告訴你們關稅的問題不夠錢你們趕快編你們編了880億我說不夠光我台中用的不夠你再增加了50億930億我要請教現在給我們的答案累加關稅上去20%再加累加關稅那您也跟我們的行政院長到了我們的台中來幾個議題\n幾個議題第一個本席強調為什麼200億是告訴我們如果產業需要難道你們都沒有評估嗎當場的所有的理事長都告訴你們他笑不出來他也說他希望能夠怎麼樣簡化程序讓他們在急救的當時可以不倒下去\n這個是政府非常關鍵的時刻所以我非常的納悶我本期喊了那麼久你們終於也在這一次增加的條例從5450億加到5900億當中450億裡頭有200億你們要作為我們這個傳統產業的支持的200億但是你告訴我們兩個字叫做預留行政院長告訴我說如果你們需要你可以改啊\n部長 你是行政部門行政部門應該是要最了解我們的產業要怎麼樣協助我們的產業政策性的一個指揮才能夠讓民眾讓我們的產業安心嘛所以本期要請教你的200億你們的評估到底是在什麼的情況之下你才會啟動因為我們現在的傳統產業坦白講這一次關稅最大的受害者就是我們的傳產\n就是我們的傳產那政府沒有理由不協助他們對不對所以在這樣情況之下你也來自產業你最清楚所以本席覺得非常納悶到底是在什麼樣的評估什麼樣的條件下你會啟動這兩百億來救援我們的傳統產業請說明兩百億都是在所謂的電網韌性的強化\n不是啦不是啦不是啦那另外啦那另外啦你的加強產業支持是200億電信任網又另外一條啦本身跟你講的是產業支持200億的不是任性支持的啦對不對不是任網的啦\n產業支持部長你累了嗎產業支持你辛苦了我知道你現在在質詢的我都清楚謝謝我們這個200億就是說當有需要產業我們在支持產業的時候不足的我們就200億再上\n請教什麼叫不足 我現在已經不足我現在已經不敢接單我現在已經廠房不敢續約我一個月要繞過了十萬 繞過了八萬甚至有上千萬的這樣子還不夠嗎而且鄭麗君副院長回來她說美國的談判告訴我們它可能你現在暫時性總統告訴我們的是會延到十月\n那現在的暫時性拖一個月會影響我們船長多大拖兩個月會影響多大你有評估嗎我們這些都有評估在那有評估那什麼條件你只告訴我們需要我現在正式告訴你我們非常需要\n可以啟動嗎報告委員我們都一直在做可以啟動嗎我們也都跟產業一直在做對呀可以啟動嗎你都一直了解產業謝謝但是可以啟動嗎這200億可以講預留兩個字我沒有辦法接受我們現在已經用你們因為貴大會還沒有通過這個這個\n这个预算嘛部长你们送来的200亿产业针对产业你就是写预留在你们送来的文字条例里头我们现在已经用其他的钱在支援在支持现在的这个厂商的需求了\n部長你來自產業你了解當天他們也說工學會他們也拜託你院長也指示說在各個各個的產業別你必須要好好個別去做了解啟動了嗎我們已經在451已經在8月7號已經受理了\n那是另外一回事嘛所以本席要請教你也就是當天院長說我們工學會十幾個理事長都在那裡希望能夠由您經濟部去指揮跟他們個別產業座談了解他們的需求對 我們都一直在做\n你們開始啟動了沒有你把表格給我好不好時間給我我一起來努力好不好你把表格給我我們一起來努力一起來座談好不好一起來座談好不好是你把表格給我你們要怎麼樣跟他們聯絡要怎麼樣談這時間我們一起來努力請把你們的時間表給本席好可以喔那我再一次結論我希望你們送來的5900億里頭\n有一笔两百亿专门支持中小产业的这两百亿不要预留不要预留因为我们产业的确现在就需要我请你好好地去深思协助我们的产业谢谢委员知道好 谢谢我们现在请吕玉玲委员做询答\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 --> 00:06.255\n謝謝趙偉楊秋雲發言邀請部長郭部長委員好\n\n00:19.485 --> 00:41.363\n这段辛苦了我们来讨论美国商务部长卢特尼克他在19号表示为了美国国家的安全必须在美国本土生产制造晶片他不能让99%的高阶晶片都在台湾来制造他也强调了拜登政府当时免费的赠给\n\n00:41.983 --> 01:08.816\n这个英特尔台积电等这些晶片公司那美国川普希望把这些钱转换成股权那请教部长目前我们掌控的情况到底是如何在台美的谈判当中有没有讨论到这件事情还是让台积电自己去处理呢请做说明报告委员我也是刚收到这样的一个讯息\n\n01:09.355 --> 01:30.410\n所以我們現在還在看這個應該這個訊息是我們談判小組他們之前也沒有收到的這個我想大家都是可能從新聞上面因為新聞我們在19號的時候看到這個訊息那所以部長你的說法是說到目前為止你也是剛剛看到這個新聞\n\n01:32.111 --> 01:45.671\n所以我們大概會來跟這個台積電來了解一下因為畢竟台積電是民間的公司不是國營企業所以我可能也要跟這個國發會來討論因為國發會是他的股東\n\n01:49.396 --> 02:04.888\n所以我们大概会就全面的来了解到底美国商务部长他讲这个要入股的意识背后的含义是什么那这个我们还是有待一些时间的讨论跟评估\n\n02:05.228 --> 02:19.676\n是非常好这也就是我们现在一直变化非常的大所以刚刚又有一则外媒的讯息出来外媒讯息说美国也有意要入股台积电来换取补助\n\n02:20.556 --> 02:44.251\n換取補助雖然我們現在看到的是媒體上面在說的所以剛剛部長你的說法本心非常認同一旦有這樣的情勢我相信不管是民間公司或者是我們政府部門尤其我們國防會更是台積電的董事有一席也是股東之一我們更應當要去了解因為這延伸了我們整個產業\n\n02:45.512 --> 03:10.251\n那所以我也希望這個變化非常的大那第一時間第一訊息就必須要有因應對策跟方案好那接下來本席要繼續來跟你討論的就是今天的主題我們組成了7月28號組成了災後復健服務團給了這個馬上辦的中心那產業競爭力中心原管局這個聯輔基金會來協助\n\n03:13.733 --> 03:40.692\n災後包括稅金的申報那要怎麼樣申請復工的貸款舊的貸款要怎麼樣去展延開立了企業受災的這些證明工作那還有你們包括了要生財的這個器具毀損金元是這個金還1萬元那設備的部分修繕是以20萬元首先我也要肯定經濟部因為本期一直在跟你們討論\n\n03:41.973 --> 04:10.271\n這一旦有困難發生的時候我們整合所有的力量作為一站式的服務的方式那現在在做的就是這個一站式的服務的方式跟本席之前跟你討論的內容你們做到了但是本席要請教到目前為止中小企業受災害的受損的情況究竟是如何我們協助的情況有沒有一個評估的一個規模\n\n04:11.332 --> 04:38.268\n尤其在我台中地區這一次除了南部以外那我台中地區的狀況到底是如何請做說明報告委員我想我們現在目前就是按受災區我們都去透過這個組織去了解那受災戶一方面我們也有馬上辦服務中心受災戶他可以直接跟我們聯絡但是我們認為有的受災戶可能不太了解我們有這個馬上辦中心\n\n04:39.788 --> 04:58.357\n一定要廣為去宣傳主動出擊所以我們在這個所謂南部我們也有一個服務團在那個地方總之受災戶的情況我們都應該有高度的掌握所以目前我們這個受災的狀況你們評估到底\n\n05:02.719 --> 05:31.054\n是怎麼因為台中的狀況可能比較平穩一點就是相對於相對於其他的地方那我們還是要注意比較平穩那南部我們不會說因為它比較平穩我們就沒有照我們是全體一體的大家都是國家有共識要全面的關心所以我們服務的態度都是一樣所以請教到目前為止這一次的受災情況大概損失會多少你們的評估它的規模跟範圍大概是多少因為已經過了一個多月了\n\n05:34.158 --> 05:58.793\n我們現在還是先去搶救先搶救為第一那如果趙部長你這樣的回答就是目前我們還沒有辦法去整體的預估到底受損會有多少受損會有多少到目前我們都跟前進指揮所受損的加速有多少受損的經濟規模有多少\n\n06:00.374 --> 06:21.403\n這個都還要盤點還沒盤點出來因為太大那個災害太大了所以我們現在報告委員像比如說我們經濟部譬如說我們一般的受災戶我們有分幾個區是屬於我們經濟部在負責的那我們有三個區大概我們分到的受災戶大概600戶\n\n06:22.932 --> 06:44.747\n六百戶大家分工合作包括住家的但是我們經濟部我們因為有水利署我們有水利署在做公共工程的廠商我們都把它公共工程停止然後全力來搶救部長因為我們的災到現在要將近兩個月的時間\n\n06:46.428 --> 06:59.489\n所以我们应该好好去评估到底我们受损的加数有多少我们受损的经济规模有多少加数是知道的加数多少呢加数都知道的我是说这个住宅的话\n\n07:00.447 --> 07:16.385\n我們負責的三個區加起來大概是600戶那不只啊還有其他人負責其他的就是有其他的部門在負責所以你們要統籌本席要求的就是說我們碰到困難大家團結一致沒錯要去統計行政部門必須要未雨綢繆先知\n\n07:18.087 --> 07:33.603\n你要必须去盘点我到底受损的加数有多少我受损的经济规模有多少我要怎么样准备去协助我们这些受损的人员没有错委员所指导的这一部分我们前进办公室都有掌握\n\n07:34.484 --> 07:50.480\n前进办公室都有掌握那我们是就我们分配到的责任区我们非常的清楚你也把你前进办公室的资料给本席谢谢部长我们继续来讨论当然是台风跟豪雨的这个灾情那台电的员工真的好辛苦一下子\n\n07:51.061 --> 08:07.236\n就像你說的規模那麼大倒了數千支的電線桿大家忙了搶災我們要給予他們最高的敬意跟肯定但是我一再強調你必須主管機關單位必須要去做好人力的調配\n\n08:08.377 --> 08:35.831\n人力的一個調配跟災情的評估災情的評估剛剛我們已經討論過你會給本席那就是人力的調配你到底要怎麼樣去協助他們要怎麼樣協助他們我覺得這個才是真正非常根本我們討論到這個問題的根源你會怎麼樣去調配這個人力讓他們可以做得來是報告委員我想這個電力的部分是非常專業的部分\n\n08:36.849 --> 08:54.839\n所以我們也不是說一般的人就可以去承接這樣的工作所以我們第一個就是我們台電有每一個區他在台灣分成好幾個區作業區那麼自己的區如果沒有辦法解決的話我們從其他的區調人進來協作\n\n08:56.139 --> 09:14.855\n協助他們人力調配對人力的調配就是由整個台電公司總部在做調配好這個是本席要求的幾次一定要好好去調配讓我們台電最基層的員工可以好好的來工作最後一個議題本席跟你討論也就是產業協助200億我們要等嗎\n\n09:18.191 --> 09:44.033\n我們要等嗎你的評估標準在哪裡本期在第一時間告訴你們關稅的問題不夠錢你們趕快編你們編了880億我說不夠光我台中用的不夠你再增加了50億930億我要請教現在給我們的答案累加關稅上去20%再加累加關稅那您也跟我們的行政院長到了我們的台中來幾個議題\n\n09:46.795 --> 10:09.168\n幾個議題第一個本席強調為什麼200億是告訴我們如果產業需要難道你們都沒有評估嗎當場的所有的理事長都告訴你們他笑不出來他也說他希望能夠怎麼樣簡化程序讓他們在急救的當時可以不倒下去\n\n10:09.968 --> 10:21.934\n這個是政府非常關鍵的時刻所以我非常的納悶我本期喊了那麼久你們終於也在這一次增加的條例從5450億加到5900億當中450億裡頭有200億你們要作為我們這個傳統產業的支持的200億但是你告訴我們兩個字叫做預留行政院長告訴我說如果你們需要你可以改啊\n\n10:38.171 --> 11:06.012\n部長你是行政部門行政部門應該是要最了解我們的產業要怎麼樣協助我們的產業政策性的一個指揮才能夠讓民眾讓我們的產業安心嘛所以本期要請教你的200億你們的評估到底是在什麼的情況之下你才會啟動因為我們現在的傳統產業坦白講這一次關稅最大的受害者就是我們的傳產\n\n11:07.193 --> 11:23.802\n就是我們的傳產那政府沒有理由不協助他們對不對所以在這樣情況之下你也來自產業你最清楚所以本席覺得非常納悶到底是在什麼樣的評估什麼樣的條件下你會啟動這兩百億來救援我們的傳統產業請說明兩百億都是在所謂的電網韌性的強化\n\n11:31.089 --> 11:46.250\n不是啦不是啦不是啦那另外啦那另外啦你的加強產業支持是200億電信任網又另外一條啦本身跟你講的是產業支持200億的不是任性支持的啦對不對不是任網的啦\n\n11:48.232 --> 12:03.411\n產業支持部長你累了嗎產業支持你辛苦了我知道你現在在質詢的我都清楚謝謝我們這個200億就是說當有需要產業我們在支持產業的時候不足的我們就200億再上\n\n12:04.532 --> 12:29.586\n請教什麼叫不足我現在已經不足我現在已經不敢接單我現在已經廠房不敢續約我一個月要繞過了十萬繞過了八萬甚至有上千萬的這樣子還不夠嗎而且鄭麗君副院長回來她說美國的談判告訴我們它可能你現在暫時性總統告訴我們的是會延到十月\n\n12:30.646 --> 12:46.134\n那現在的暫時性拖一個月會影響我們船長多大拖兩個月會影響多大你有評估嗎我們這些都有評估在那有評估那什麼條件你只告訴我們需要我現在正式告訴你我們非常需要\n\n12:46.974 --> 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繞過了八萬甚至有上千萬的這樣子還不夠嗎而且鄭麗君副院長回來她說美國的談判告訴我們它可能你現在暫時性總統告訴我們的是會延到十月"},{"start":750.646,"end":766.134,"text":"那現在的暫時性拖一個月會影響我們船長多大拖兩個月會影響多大你有評估嗎我們這些都有評估在那有評估那什麼條件你只告訴我們需要我現在正式告訴你我們非常需要"},{"start":766.974,"end":780.064,"text":"可以啟動嗎報告委員我們都一直在做可以啟動嗎我們也都跟產業一直在做對呀可以啟動嗎你都一直了解產業謝謝但是可以啟動嗎這200億可以講預留兩個字我沒有辦法接受我們現在已經用你們因為貴大會還沒有通過這個這個"},{"start":790.044,"end":806.041,"text":"这个预算嘛部长你们送来的200亿产业针对产业你就是写预留在你们送来的文字条例里头我们现在已经用其他的钱在支援在支持现在的这个厂商的需求了"},{"start":806.141,"end":821.806,"text":"部長你來自產業你了解當天他們也說工學會他們也拜託你院長也指示說在各個各個的產業別你必須要好好個別去做了解啟動了嗎我們已經在451已經在8月7號已經受理了"},{"start":825.956,"end":842.67,"text":"那是另外一回事嘛所以本席要請教你也就是當天院長說我們工學會十幾個理事長都在那裡希望能夠由您經濟部去指揮跟他們個別產業座談了解他們的需求對 我們都一直在做"},{"start":842.91,"end":856.918,"text":"你們開始啟動了沒有你把表格給我好不好時間給我我一起來努力好不好你把表格給我我們一起來努力一起來座談好不好一起來座談好不好是你把表格給我你們要怎麼樣跟他們聯絡要怎麼樣談這時間我們一起來努力請把你們的時間表給本席好可以喔那我再一次結論我希望你們送來的5900億里頭"},{"start":871.787,"end":893.585,"text":"有一笔两百亿专门支持中小产业的这两百亿不要预留不要预留因为我们产业的确现在就需要我请你好好地去深思协助我们的产业谢谢委员知道好 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